veteran maelstrom arena boring and limited

Destruent

charley222 wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxSYkIsW4S4
Here is a video of a 2h+DW run.

Diclaimer, he is using a vMA weapon on his backbar, but the only reason is because of the extra weapon damage it gave you. And the DoT from critrush was mediocre when this video was made. And I can guarantee that the setup is viable today as well, even with a random 2hander


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdPhD34lV

Vg
Pure tanksetup with blazing shield.

No one is denying it´s harder as a tankcharacter, but vMA is not designed that way. But the most of your arguments/comments are pure "l2p-issues".

And just because it´s a bow involved doesn´t make it a hybrid/range build.....
I consider my magDK a melee build, even tho I use 2x lightning staffs on my character (heavy attack build). And if I get my recording program to work I can record a video of a "pure" melee (by your defenition) run without any vMA weapons. (and with a decent score as well)

video say easy mode ? he using vma weapon
other is the broken blazing shield everything is patch and blazing shield is magicka

DeHei´s build is a strong with a vMA weapon(2hander) as without. Stop looking for flaws that doesn´t exists. If you spend half amount practicing vMA as complaining about the design of vMA, you would´ve had flawless runs by now...

my dk dont have blazing shield have a nice day kid you fail you know is not good

You don't need a shield as a stamplayer, especially in heavy-armor....
Blazing shield is so overrated i haven't even used it since 1.6...(only when i tried high-HP-tanking in vHoF on templar...but even there it was kinda useless...).

TheMystid

I'm really amazed by all the answers and attention the OP is receiving. Not only he's clearly QQing with no constructive thoughts about the game (just a bunch of copy-pasted opinions that he takes for granted). This thread - like all other thread he started - is pointless. YES, is hard to complete vMA with a melee HA stamina DK the first time. YES, Arena is mostly designed for dd. Does it follow that Arena is "boring and limited"?LoL...maybe boring and limited is your approach to this game?

charley222

TheMystid wrote: »

I'm really amazed by all the answers and attention the OP is receiving. Not only he's clearly QQing with no constructive thoughts about the game (just a bunch of copy-pasted opinions that he takes for granted). This thread - like all other thread he started - is pointless. YES, is hard to complete vMA with a melee HA stamina DK the first time. YES, Arena is mostly designed for dd. Does it follow that Arena is "boring and limited"?LoL...maybe boring and limited is your approach to this game?

let me answer you

1- do you think what you saying here is more constructive ? in my opinion no and 110% out topic you bring nothing on the table
2- like all other thread he started - is pointless , answer np your opinion why your here wasting your time ?
3-maybe boring and limited is your approach to this game? answer no is not my approach to this game but yes to this arena
4- I'm really amazed by all the answers and attention ,answer are you jalouse what this change to your life ? anyone call you here this topic are from the one working on the game Combat & Mechanics , maybe why this have so many attention is because maybe is got some stuff is right and everyone know is so much easy to use pet sorc and julianos and Necropotence and just make a walk in the park but pure stamina melee is just the pain in hell , sure on eso forum this will be cover to dont expose the weaknees of the game and imbalance in my opinion so again i know you are amazed of all attention i have but dont be jalouse and be constructive and not out topic just bring something on the table . have a great day peace

Joy_Division

charley222 wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

I got my Flawless achievement on a heavy armor build with a (wooden) shield.

VMA is what you make of it. If you run a build you find boring, then you are going to find the content boring.

np prove it , make a video
1- dont use VMA weapon to make like a first first attempt
2- because is melee drop your bow
3- np use your 7 ipeace heavy and dont use costume

i bet i will dont see this video very soon lol
is easy to talk but to deliver is a bit harder
have a good time peace

You are making a lot of posts telling people who are trying to help you out that they are wrong, don't understand, and that they advice they give you doesn't fit into your narrow parameters.

If you don't want to take their advice and keep your head in the sand, that's fine, continue being bad at this game and not have fun doing it.

If you don't want to believe that I got a perfect run or even when Dehei's video is right here with the type of build you want, that's short-sighted. Remain ignorant. I don't care. I have my Flawless run and I got it in the heavy armor because I have a brain, I'm open-minded, and I'm not a quitter. And by the way, a 2H vMA weapon isn't even that good in the first place. Dehei easily could switch out to something else that gives him a armor bonus for higher weapon damage and be better off.

So now you want me to not even use a bow, not even use the undaunted passive, and use noob gear just to prove to you what's been done hundreds of times? You don't understand that vMA is not all about having the best build, in fact it can be beat without much difficulty on a 300 CP build with no end-game gear and not even using expensive potions.

Before you say "Oh magicka OP man, stam gets the shaft from ZoS, I wanna melee," get your head out of the sand and recognize that it is 2017, not 2014. Stamina at the point has (a lot) higher DPS than magicka and their healing, especially from HoTs, is top notch. If you struggle with stamina, it's not because you class has a limited amount of skills, it's that you either a very good player or choose to remain willfully ignorant running a terrible build

charley222

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charley222 wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

I got my Flawless achievement on a heavy armor build with a (wooden) shield.

VMA is what you make of it. If you run a build you find boring, then you are going to find the content boring.

np prove it , make a video
1- dont use VMA weapon to make like a first first attempt
2- because is melee drop your bow
3- np use your 7 ipeace heavy and dont use costume

i bet i will dont see this video very soon lol
is easy to talk but to deliver is a bit harder
have a good time peace

You are making a lot of posts telling people who are trying to help you out that they are wrong, don't understand, and that they advice they give you doesn't fit into your narrow parameters.

If you don't want to take their advice and keep your head in the sand, that's fine, continue being bad at this game and not have fun doing it.

If you don't want to believe that I got a perfect run or even when Dehei's video is right here with the type of build you want, that's short-sighted. Remain ignorant. I don't care. I have my Flawless run and I got it in the heavy armor because I have a brain, I'm open-minded, and I'm not a quitter. And by the way, a 2H vMA weapon isn't even that good in the first place. Dehei easily could switch out to something else that gives him a armor bonus for higher weapon damage and be better off.

So now you want me to not even use a bow, not even use the undaunted passive, and use noob gear just to prove to you what's been done hundreds of times? You don't understand that vMA is not all about having the best build, in fact it can be beat without much difficulty on a 300 CP build with no end-game gear and not even using expensive potions.

Before you say "Oh magicka OP man, stam gets the shaft from ZoS, I wanna melee," get your head out of the sand and recognize that it is 2017, not 2014. Stamina at the point has (a lot) higher DPS than magicka and their healing, especially from HoTs, is top notch. If you struggle with stamina, it's not because you class has a limited amount of skills, it's that you either a very good player or choose to remain willfully ignorant running a terrible build

dude plz stop the blabla first i`m not here asking you any help to make VMA , what i`m saying is this game favor magicka build and range , stamina melee class fail in this game and is so obvious , pure stam melee builds are non existent for vMA, i think is got a reason for this Oo , already very good player say is got any point to play melee in vma , i have np to to believe you are able to make it , but be honest here what % are able to make it on stamina melee(no bow) vs pet sorc , now you have your answer why i`m saying balance fail in this game , stop finding the excuse saying everything is well balance , i play this game from release and the problem of stamina class are from the core , and this never be fix from day one , dk have 2 stamina ability vs 28 in magicka how is suppose to be balance Oo, the way this game are desing on release you have any stamina ability and after developer realise something not working this is what happens if you lack of experience in my opinion , 4 year after some class have 2 to 5 stamina ability and is take more of 2 year to make heavy armor valuable and from the start magcka build solo all the game content lolol , dk are the warrior class and have 2 stamina ability what a fail and night blade have 5 Oo , pure dk stamina melee class are so limited they find anything better to add dps using the bow , so now i`m not playing melee anymore but some type of crap hybrid , so this topic and post is to expose are pure stamina melee are imbalance and in disadvantage vs pure caster and range i`m not here for any help

Betsararie

charley222 wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

I got my Flawless achievement on a heavy armor build with a (wooden) shield.

VMA is what you make of it. If you run a build you find boring, then you are going to find the content boring.

np prove it , make a video
1- dont use VMA weapon to make like a first first attempt
2- because is melee drop your bow
3- np use your 7 ipeace heavy and dont use costume

i bet i will dont see this video very soon lol
is easy to talk but to deliver is a bit harder
have a good time peace

You are making a lot of posts telling people who are trying to help you out that they are wrong, don't understand, and that they advice they give you doesn't fit into your narrow parameters.

If you don't want to take their advice and keep your head in the sand, that's fine, continue being bad at this game and not have fun doing it.

If you don't want to believe that I got a perfect run or even when Dehei's video is right here with the type of build you want, that's short-sighted. Remain ignorant. I don't care. I have my Flawless run and I got it in the heavy armor because I have a brain, I'm open-minded, and I'm not a quitter. And by the way, a 2H vMA weapon isn't even that good in the first place. Dehei easily could switch out to something else that gives him a armor bonus for higher weapon damage and be better off.

So now you want me to not even use a bow, not even use the undaunted passive, and use noob gear just to prove to you what's been done hundreds of times? You don't understand that vMA is not all about having the best build, in fact it can be beat without much difficulty on a 300 CP build with no end-game gear and not even using expensive potions.

Before you say "Oh magicka OP man, stam gets the shaft from ZoS, I wanna melee," get your head out of the sand and recognize that it is 2017, not 2014. Stamina at the point has (a lot) higher DPS than magicka and their healing, especially from HoTs, is top notch. If you struggle with stamina, it's not because you class has a limited amount of skills, it's that you either a very good player or choose to remain willfully ignorant running a terrible build

dude stop the bs first i`m not asking you any help to make VMA , what i`m saying is this game favor magicka build and range , stamina melee class fail in this game and is so obvious , pure stam melee builds are non existent for vMA, i think is got a reason for this Oo , already very good player say is got any point to play melee in vma , i have np to to believe you are able to make it , but be honest here what % are able to make it on stamina melee(no bow) vs pet sorc , now you have your answer why i`m saying balance fail in this game , stop finding the excuse saying everything is well balance , i play this game from release and the problem of stamina class are from the core , and this never be fix from day one , dk have 2 stamina ability vs 28 in magicka how is suppose to be balance Oo, the way this game are desing on release you have any stamina ability and after developer realise something not working 4 year after some class have 2 to 5 stamina ability and is take more 2 year to make heavy armor valuable , dk are the warrior class and have 2 stamina ability what a fail and night blade have 5 Oo , pure dk stamina melee class are so limited they find anything better to add dps using the bow , so now i`m not playing melee anymore but some type of crap hybrid , so this topic and post is to expose are pure stamina melee are imbalance and in disadvantage vs pure caster and range i`m not here for any help

What is 'Oo'? I see you doing this in almost every post

NyassaV

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

You need a mixture of damage, sustain, and survivability to clear vMA. You can do it on magicka, stamina, ranged, heavy armor, sword and board, even with a mop and bucket. AndyS has some of the highest vMA scores on YT running every possible class combination.

Deltia cleared vMA on a heavy armor DK with sword and board:
https://youtu.be/YVp4fn2HW9M

This is still possible--I did it three nights ago on my tank to get the stormproof title on him.

Gilliam did it using a bucket and mop:
https://youtu.be/nVFYPJW-aa8

You're using your build as a scapegoat. VMA is about knowing the arena. Nothing more. Once you've mastered the mechanics you can clear it on anything.

Gill did that for *** and giggles

But yes, vMA is boring

charley222

Blanco wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

I got my Flawless achievement on a heavy armor build with a (wooden) shield.

VMA is what you make of it. If you run a build you find boring, then you are going to find the content boring.

np prove it , make a video
1- dont use VMA weapon to make like a first first attempt
2- because is melee drop your bow
3- np use your 7 ipeace heavy and dont use costume

i bet i will dont see this video very soon lol
is easy to talk but to deliver is a bit harder
have a good time peace

You are making a lot of posts telling people who are trying to help you out that they are wrong, don't understand, and that they advice they give you doesn't fit into your narrow parameters.

If you don't want to take their advice and keep your head in the sand, that's fine, continue being bad at this game and not have fun doing it.

If you don't want to believe that I got a perfect run or even when Dehei's video is right here with the type of build you want, that's short-sighted. Remain ignorant. I don't care. I have my Flawless run and I got it in the heavy armor because I have a brain, I'm open-minded, and I'm not a quitter. And by the way, a 2H vMA weapon isn't even that good in the first place. Dehei easily could switch out to something else that gives him a armor bonus for higher weapon damage and be better off.

So now you want me to not even use a bow, not even use the undaunted passive, and use noob gear just to prove to you what's been done hundreds of times? You don't understand that vMA is not all about having the best build, in fact it can be beat without much difficulty on a 300 CP build with no end-game gear and not even using expensive potions.

Before you say "Oh magicka OP man, stam gets the shaft from ZoS, I wanna melee," get your head out of the sand and recognize that it is 2017, not 2014. Stamina at the point has (a lot) higher DPS than magicka and their healing, especially from HoTs, is top notch. If you struggle with stamina, it's not because you class has a limited amount of skills, it's that you either a very good player or choose to remain willfully ignorant running a terrible build

dude stop the bs first i`m not asking you any help to make VMA , what i`m saying is this game favor magicka build and range , stamina melee class fail in this game and is so obvious , pure stam melee builds are non existent for vMA, i think is got a reason for this Oo , already very good player say is got any point to play melee in vma , i have np to to believe you are able to make it , but be honest here what % are able to make it on stamina melee(no bow) vs pet sorc , now you have your answer why i`m saying balance fail in this game , stop finding the excuse saying everything is well balance , i play this game from release and the problem of stamina class are from the core , and this never be fix from day one , dk have 2 stamina ability vs 28 in magicka how is suppose to be balance Oo, the way this game are desing on release you have any stamina ability and after developer realise something not working 4 year after some class have 2 to 5 stamina ability and is take more 2 year to make heavy armor valuable , dk are the warrior class and have 2 stamina ability what a fail and night blade have 5 Oo , pure dk stamina melee class are so limited they find anything better to add dps using the bow , so now i`m not playing melee anymore but some type of crap hybrid , so this topic and post is to expose are pure stamina melee are imbalance and in disadvantage vs pure caster and range i`m not here for any help

What is 'Oo'? I see you doing this in almost every post

Destruent

@charley222 what people don't get at all: you think just equipping a bow while playing in melee-range makes you some kind of hybrid-build.
In fact it isn't. You're standing melee most of the time, only time you're not is, when mobs die from your bow dots faster as you can even walk to them.

I know you don't want to hear it...but anyway...if you'd keep trying instead of QQing you'll beat MSA with your favorized build

Btw.: there is atm only ONE place in this game PVE-wise, where magicka is really better than stamina...and thats vAS...everywhere else you want as much stamina-DPS as possible for max-DPS...

charley222

Destruent wrote: »

@charley222 what people don't get at all: you think just equipping a bow while playing in melee-range makes you some kind of hybrid-build.
In fact it isn't. You're standing melee most of the time, only time you're not is, when mobs die from your bow dots faster as you can even walk to them.

I know you don't want to hear it...but anyway...if you'd keep trying instead of QQing you'll beat MSA with your favorized build

Btw.: there is atm only ONE place in this game PVE-wise, where magicka is really better than stamina...and thats vAS...everywhere else you want as much stamina-DPS as possible for max-DPS...

my opinion what your saying make any sense let me give you one example

let say you are one pro boxer and say oh my opponent is a range so i will use my kick to ko him faster oh now my opponent get ko using my feet Oo but i`m not a kick boxer 0o yea is not because you steal sometime that make you a thief Oo yea is not because you throw fireball sometime that make you a caster Oo seriously what is this logic Oo yes acid bow are the tool of the dk np but my issue here , ,the acid bow is only a tool and utility of the dk not a main part , but here become a big part of the character because is lack of ability and limited option , they give bow to the dual wield dk because eso are not able to make the charge animation for the dual wield dk and try to convert other magicka skill using Empowering Chains for gap closer this just fail and look cheap , so the cheaper way to make any animation they just give him bow and give him strong poison , but in them of option and animation is not looking good ,



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