veteran maelstrom arena boring and limited

VaranisArano

Illurian wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

That's been the major complaint of vMA, it's entirely dps based (except ice level - which I just dps'ed through anyway lol)

In my opinion stage 5 is the most dps based stage in vMA, as the boss breaking the ice platforms is basically a dps race.

Stage 5 isn't a DPS race for most of the fight. The boss will break the platforms at certain health percentages, so its actually much more important to make sure you've dealt with all the adds first and then you can damage the boss at your leisure (hah, leisure in VMA, yeah right!). But once you get to the final platform, then, yes, its a pure DPS race.

ak_pvp

IMO they should offer a harder, boss only run of vMA. So only the mini/main boss rounds would play. Things like stage 2 would only have the centurion bosses, whilst stage 3 would have all stages as they all feature a named unique boss.

Beardimus

So should my light armour Sorc be able to tank Vet Hard Mode bosses is my point?

No they shouldn't. Each elements are designed well, around intended roles.

Odd thread...

Xvorg

charley222 wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

i dont expect eso community to be agree on my opinion all my point are fact and are talk everywhere , but here they just try to minimise the issue lolol ( oh vma is not really a dps check yes in some point but blablabla and bs ) same crap for oh stamina is not harder to play build blabla ect,, how is going to be the same difficulty if my DK have 2 only stamina ability 2 dam option vs 28 Morph in magicka Oo dont really make sense to me stamina dk suck because they have weak class skill only 2 ability scale dps on 30 ability and have only 1/3 of the passive working because stam dk dont really use is class skill compare magicka build stamina dk are only a repack of skill it no passive , remove the bow in the rotation what is left Oo so much easy and strong to be magicka having strong class skill because everything scale strong weapon skill because you use staff 100% magicka base but the other side you can not have this in stamina , you need to be some weak hybrid who dont scale your class skill very well expect 2 ability dont look fair to me

At the begining, there were no stam class abilities and many of us had to play that game.

Besides, if you complain about stam skills on a DK, then you have never tried a sorc

i know the begining and remember the nightmare for stamina and the useless heavy and also the 100 crown every month lolol
is just the progress to have stamina ability are amost inexistent for dk only 2 ability i think all other class have more of this

templar 3
Sorcerer 3
nightblade 5 oO
warden 3

dragon night the warrior have ONLY 2 stamina ability facepalm wake up Oo

I don't remember crowns when this was a P2P game. I'm quite sure the crown store started when it became a B2P

charley222

Beardimus wrote: »

So should my light armour Sorc be able to tank Vet Hard Mode bosses is my point?

No they shouldn't. Each elements are designed well, around intended roles.

Odd thread...

i`m 110% agree but the fact are light armor is still the best and the most tanky
light armor solo Vet more easy

charley222

Xvorg wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

i dont expect eso community to be agree on my opinion all my point are fact and are talk everywhere , but here they just try to minimise the issue lolol ( oh vma is not really a dps check yes in some point but blablabla and bs ) same crap for oh stamina is not harder to play build blabla ect,, how is going to be the same difficulty if my DK have 2 only stamina ability 2 dam option vs 28 Morph in magicka Oo dont really make sense to me stamina dk suck because they have weak class skill only 2 ability scale dps on 30 ability and have only 1/3 of the passive working because stam dk dont really use is class skill compare magicka build stamina dk are only a repack of skill it no passive , remove the bow in the rotation what is left Oo so much easy and strong to be magicka having strong class skill because everything scale strong weapon skill because you use staff 100% magicka base but the other side you can not have this in stamina , you need to be some weak hybrid who dont scale your class skill very well expect 2 ability dont look fair to me

At the begining, there were no stam class abilities and many of us had to play that game.

Besides, if you complain about stam skills on a DK, then you have never tried a sorc

i know the begining and remember the nightmare for stamina and the useless heavy and also the 100 crown every month lolol
is just the progress to have stamina ability are amost inexistent for dk only 2 ability i think all other class have more of this

templar 3
Sorcerer 3
nightblade 5 oO
warden 3

dragon night the warrior have ONLY 2 stamina ability facepalm wake up Oo

I don't remember crowns when this was a P2P game. I'm quite sure the crown store started when it became a B2P

100 crown are for all the month you p2p eso give you the cumulative every month you pay before, 100 crown each month , everyone take this news like a slap in the face to have 100 crown a month for playing some broken beta

Asardes

There's no such thing as a "tank character", but only tank gear. My stamina characters have both types of gear in inventory, and only swap that, the mundus & food. My Stamina DK can do vDSA as tank with heavy Dragon + Torug + Shadowrend + Chocklethorn, Atronach mundus and Whichmother's Brew, then in 5 minutes swap to medium Hunding +VO +Velidreth with Dubious Camoran Throne and Warrior mundus and jump right into vMA. If you try to do vMA in tank gear and fail it's 100% your fault.

Chrlynsch

Cleared VMA three times in the last week on a werewolf in a single transformation ... no range no problem!

Danksta

Illurian wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

That's been the major complaint of vMA, it's entirely dps based (except ice level - which I just dps'ed through anyway lol)

In my opinion stage 5 is the most dps based stage in vMA, as the boss breaking the ice platforms is basically a dps race.

That only pertains to the last platform. The first two platforms are broken based off the bosses health (75% and 50%). So since the last platform is the only one that's considered a DPS race you save your ultimate for the last platform and it makes it a very mild DPS race.

charley222

Asardes wrote: »

There's no such thing as a "tank character", but only tank gear. My stamina characters have both types of gear in inventory, and only swap that, the mundus & food. My Stamina DK can do vDSA as tank with heavy Dragon + Torug + Shadowrend + Chocklethorn, Atronach mundus and Whichmother's Brew, then in 5 minutes swap to medium Hunding +VO +Velidreth with Dubious Camoran Throne and Warrior mundus and jump right into vMA. If you try to do vMA in tank gear and fail it's 100% your fault.

stop be out the track because this go anywhere yes is got some tank character build all point in health cp in blocking and other cp in point defensive optionskill point cost me 16k to reset (320skill point) also this dont take 5 minute crafting good medium gear having Glyph of Prismatic in medium or you have no health , ask question np but plz stop be out the track


how many stamina Morph the dk have ? 2 and how many magicka Morph the dk have ? 28

so my next question ( you tell me ) someone having 28 magicka morph vs 2 stamina morph dont have more option ??

how 1 character have 2 stamina ability are able to scare is class skill well ???? how is passive will assist this character ??? if this character have 2 stamina ability ??? is easy to understand the option are very very limited , only poor soul will not understanding this
yes everything is possible but really not enjoyable in this case because the poor option

Xvorg

charley222 wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

i dont expect eso community to be agree on my opinion all my point are fact and are talk everywhere , but here they just try to minimise the issue lolol ( oh vma is not really a dps check yes in some point but blablabla and bs ) same crap for oh stamina is not harder to play build blabla ect,, how is going to be the same difficulty if my DK have 2 only stamina ability 2 dam option vs 28 Morph in magicka Oo dont really make sense to me stamina dk suck because they have weak class skill only 2 ability scale dps on 30 ability and have only 1/3 of the passive working because stam dk dont really use is class skill compare magicka build stamina dk are only a repack of skill it no passive , remove the bow in the rotation what is left Oo so much easy and strong to be magicka having strong class skill because everything scale strong weapon skill because you use staff 100% magicka base but the other side you can not have this in stamina , you need to be some weak hybrid who dont scale your class skill very well expect 2 ability dont look fair to me

At the begining, there were no stam class abilities and many of us had to play that game.

Besides, if you complain about stam skills on a DK, then you have never tried a sorc

i know the begining and remember the nightmare for stamina and the useless heavy and also the 100 crown every month lolol
is just the progress to have stamina ability are amost inexistent for dk only 2 ability i think all other class have more of this

templar 3
Sorcerer 3
nightblade 5 oO
warden 3

dragon night the warrior have ONLY 2 stamina ability facepalm wake up Oo

I don't remember crowns when this was a P2P game. I'm quite sure the crown store started when it became a B2P

100 crown are for all the month you p2p eso give you the cumulative every month you pay before, 100 crown each month , everyone take this news like a slap in the face to have 100 crown a month for playing some broken beta

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Crowns

Qbiken

charley222 wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

There's no such thing as a "tank character", but only tank gear. My stamina characters have both types of gear in inventory, and only swap that, the mundus & food. My Stamina DK can do vDSA as tank with heavy Dragon + Torug + Shadowrend + Chocklethorn, Atronach mundus and Whichmother's Brew, then in 5 minutes swap to medium Hunding +VO +Velidreth with Dubious Camoran Throne and Warrior mundus and jump right into vMA. If you try to do vMA in tank gear and fail it's 100% your fault.

stop be out the track because this go anywhere yes is got some tank character build all point in health cp in blocking and other cp in point defensive optionskill point cost me 16k to reset (320skill point) also this dont take 5 minute crafting good medium gear having Glyph of Prismatic in medium or you have no health , ask question np but plz stop be out the track


how many stamina Morph the dk have ? 2 and how many magicka Morph the dk have ? 28

so my next question ( you tell me ) someone having 28 magicka morph vs 2 stamina morph dont have more option ??

how 1 character have 2 stamina ability are able to scare is class skill well ???? how is passive will assist this character ??? if this character have 2 stamina ability ??? is easy to understand the option are very very limited , only poor soul will not understanding this
yes everything is possible but really not enjoyable in this case because the poor option

one of those stam morphs are the strongest single target DoT in the game tho......(venomous claw)

charley222

Xvorg wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

i dont expect eso community to be agree on my opinion all my point are fact and are talk everywhere , but here they just try to minimise the issue lolol ( oh vma is not really a dps check yes in some point but blablabla and bs ) same crap for oh stamina is not harder to play build blabla ect,, how is going to be the same difficulty if my DK have 2 only stamina ability 2 dam option vs 28 Morph in magicka Oo dont really make sense to me stamina dk suck because they have weak class skill only 2 ability scale dps on 30 ability and have only 1/3 of the passive working because stam dk dont really use is class skill compare magicka build stamina dk are only a repack of skill it no passive , remove the bow in the rotation what is left Oo so much easy and strong to be magicka having strong class skill because everything scale strong weapon skill because you use staff 100% magicka base but the other side you can not have this in stamina , you need to be some weak hybrid who dont scale your class skill very well expect 2 ability dont look fair to me

At the begining, there were no stam class abilities and many of us had to play that game.

Besides, if you complain about stam skills on a DK, then you have never tried a sorc

i know the begining and remember the nightmare for stamina and the useless heavy and also the 100 crown every month lolol
is just the progress to have stamina ability are amost inexistent for dk only 2 ability i think all other class have more of this

templar 3
Sorcerer 3
nightblade 5 oO
warden 3

dragon night the warrior have ONLY 2 stamina ability facepalm wake up Oo

I don't remember crowns when this was a P2P game. I'm quite sure the crown store started when it became a B2P

100 crown are for all the month you p2p eso give you the cumulative every month you pay before, 100 crown each month , everyone take this news like a slap in the face to have 100 crown a month for playing some broken beta

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Crowns

just to show me this , 1 you are not from the beginning or you have memory issue
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/147119/100-crowns-for-each-prior-month-for-subscribers-wow-250-agrees/p1

charley222

Qbiken wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

There's no such thing as a "tank character", but only tank gear. My stamina characters have both types of gear in inventory, and only swap that, the mundus & food. My Stamina DK can do vDSA as tank with heavy Dragon + Torug + Shadowrend + Chocklethorn, Atronach mundus and Whichmother's Brew, then in 5 minutes swap to medium Hunding +VO +Velidreth with Dubious Camoran Throne and Warrior mundus and jump right into vMA. If you try to do vMA in tank gear and fail it's 100% your fault.

stop be out the track because this go anywhere yes is got some tank character build all point in health cp in blocking and other cp in point defensive optionskill point cost me 16k to reset (320skill point) also this dont take 5 minute crafting good medium gear having Glyph of Prismatic in medium or you have no health , ask question np but plz stop be out the track


how many stamina Morph the dk have ? 2 and how many magicka Morph the dk have ? 28

so my next question ( you tell me ) someone having 28 magicka morph vs 2 stamina morph dont have more option ??

how 1 character have 2 stamina ability are able to scare is class skill well ???? how is passive will assist this character ??? if this character have 2 stamina ability ??? is easy to understand the option are very very limited , only poor soul will not understanding this
yes everything is possible but really not enjoyable in this case because the poor option

one of those stam morphs are the strongest single target DoT in the game tho......(venomous claw)

i see your not answering the question , thank you have a nice day
so to conclure the stamina dk is one skill for this guy , yea you got a lot of option there Oo next character in eso will have 1 skill Oo

Asardes

I still don't understand exactly what's your issue since your phrasing is so bad but you seem to be upset about the fact there are only 2 stamina morphs on DK.

Well, most stamina classes have the same "problem", except maybe NB which has a full kit of stamina morphs for DD abilities. The others just use weapon abilities. In fact stamina sorcerer, which is in one of the easiest classes to complete vMA on has no stamina morphs for class DD abilities and relies almost entirely on weapon and guild abilities for damage output; only hurricane does AoE damage but most of your damage output will still come from weapon skills like endless hail (top parsing ability on all stamina classes), poison injection, rending slashes, deadly cloak, rearming trap, rapid strikes or steel tornado.

On DK the only class skills you'll use for DPS are venom claw and noxious breath (mostly for the debuff). The rest will be weapon abilities, like the ones listed above. In fact DK is favored compared to the sorcerer since it also has 2 ultimates that do physical and poison damage respectively. The latter also makes you invulnerable for a few seconds and ignores enemy resistance letting you have good damage bursts if timed right.

So the issues are your own, not the content's.

charley222

Asardes wrote: »

I still don't understand exactly what's your issue since your phrasing is so bad but you seem to be upset about the fact there are only 2 stamina morphs on DK.

Well, most stamina classes have the same "problem", except maybe NB which has a full kit of stamina morphs for DD abilities. The others just use weapon abilities. In fact stamina sorcerer, which is in one of the easiest classes to complete vMA on has no stamina morphs for class DD abilities and relies almost entirely on weapon and guild abilities for damage output; only hurricane does AoE damage but most of your damage output will still come from weapon skills like endless hail (top parsing ability on all stamina classes), poison injection, rending slashes, deadly cloak, rearming trap, rapid strikes or steel tornado.

On DK the only class skills you'll use for DPS are venom claw and noxious breath (mostly for the debuff). The rest will be weapon abilities, like the ones listed above. In fact DK is favored compared to the sorcerer since it also has 2 ultimates that do physical and poison damage respectively. The latter also makes you invulnerable for a few seconds and ignores enemy resistance letting you have good damage bursts if timed right.

So the issues are your own, not the content's.

not mad ??? idk where you get this , i just say the stamina dk have 2 ability vs 28 vs the magicka dk true or not ?
and just say the stamina dk have less option true or not ?
and just say is class skill are weak because 28 ability dont scale stamina true or not ??
and also say the dragon night is the warrior classs but is the class having the less stamina ability true or not ???
i`m really not mad but anyone will change my opinion or minimise it not because someone is not agree this mean is mad ??? idk where you get this btw english is not my first language

oh btw if you believe giving 1 powerful ability make 1 character , i think next eso will release a lot of new character having 1 ability following your logic guy why to have 28 ability ??? if one is enough /facepalm

SirAndy

Qbiken wrote: »

Claiming that vMA favours magicka/range builds is a lie....

No, it's not. You list 3 people out of how many (?) that finished vMA? Three ...

I've done vMA on both Stamina and Magicka builds and by far the easiest out of the box was my Magicka Pet Sorc.
And not just a little easier, i mean so much easier that it almost felt like cheating.

Asardes

charley222 wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

I still don't understand exactly what's your issue since your phrasing is so bad but you seem to be upset about the fact there are only 2 stamina morphs on DK.

Well, most stamina classes have the same "problem", except maybe NB which has a full kit of stamina morphs for DD abilities. The others just use weapon abilities. In fact stamina sorcerer, which is in one of the easiest classes to complete vMA on has no stamina morphs for class DD abilities and relies almost entirely on weapon and guild abilities for damage output; only hurricane does AoE damage but most of your damage output will still come from weapon skills like endless hail (top parsing ability on all stamina classes), poison injection, rending slashes, deadly cloak, rearming trap, rapid strikes or steel tornado.

On DK the only class skills you'll use for DPS are venom claw and noxious breath (mostly for the debuff). The rest will be weapon abilities, like the ones listed above. In fact DK is favored compared to the sorcerer since it also has 2 ultimates that do physical and poison damage respectively. The latter also makes you invulnerable for a few seconds and ignores enemy resistance letting you have good damage bursts if timed right.

So the issues are your own, not the content's.

not mad ??? idk where you get this , i just say the stamina dk have 2 ability vs 28 vs the magicka dk true or not ?
and just say the stamina dk have less option true or not ?
and just say is class skill are weak because 28 ability dont scale stamina true or not ??
and also say the dragon night is the warrior classs but is the class having the less stamina ability true or not ???
i`m really not mad but anyone will change my opinion or minimise it not because someone is not agree this mean is mad ??? idk where you get this btw english is not my first language

oh btw if you believe giving 1 powerful ability make 1 character , i think next eso will release a lot of new character have 1 ability following your logic guy why to have 28 ability ??? if one is enough /facepalm

Considering only the active abilities and not the passives and buffs will give you a skewed view of a class. Please read the tool tips and try to figure out where you're wrong in your assertion.

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO

Illurian wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

That's been the major complaint of vMA, it's entirely dps based (except ice level - which I just dps'ed through anyway lol)

In my opinion stage 5 is the most dps based stage in vMA, as the boss breaking the ice platforms is basically a dps race.

What the hell. This is completely inaccurate. The boss in stage 5 i everything but a DPS race. He breaks the platforms at 75% 50% and 25% (not totally sure of the percentages but it was something close to those numbers). The adds also spawn at certain percentage of his health. If you try to DPS the boss too fast you might end up dealing with more adds than you can handle.

Xvorg

charley222 wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

I still don't understand exactly what's your issue since your phrasing is so bad but you seem to be upset about the fact there are only 2 stamina morphs on DK.

Well, most stamina classes have the same "problem", except maybe NB which has a full kit of stamina morphs for DD abilities. The others just use weapon abilities. In fact stamina sorcerer, which is in one of the easiest classes to complete vMA on has no stamina morphs for class DD abilities and relies almost entirely on weapon and guild abilities for damage output; only hurricane does AoE damage but most of your damage output will still come from weapon skills like endless hail (top parsing ability on all stamina classes), poison injection, rending slashes, deadly cloak, rearming trap, rapid strikes or steel tornado.

On DK the only class skills you'll use for DPS are venom claw and noxious breath (mostly for the debuff). The rest will be weapon abilities, like the ones listed above. In fact DK is favored compared to the sorcerer since it also has 2 ultimates that do physical and poison damage respectively. The latter also makes you invulnerable for a few seconds and ignores enemy resistance letting you have good damage bursts if timed right.

So the issues are your own, not the content's.

not mad ??? idk where you get this , i just say the stamina dk have 2 ability vs 28 vs the magicka dk true or not ?
and just say the stamina dk have less option true or not ?
and just say is class skill are weak because 28 ability dont scale stamina true or not ??
and also say the dragon night is the warrior classs but is the class having the less stamina ability true or not ???
i`m really not mad but anyone will change my opinion or minimise it not because someone is not agree this mean is mad ??? idk where you get this btw english is not my first language

oh btw if you believe giving 1 powerful ability make 1 character , i think next eso will release a lot of new character having 1 ability following your logic guy why to have 28 ability ??? if one is enough /facepalm

Well Stam has also more weapon dmg skills availbale than magicka. Magicka has only one burst and one decent Dot

charley222

Asardes wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

I still don't understand exactly what's your issue since your phrasing is so bad but you seem to be upset about the fact there are only 2 stamina morphs on DK.

Well, most stamina classes have the same "problem", except maybe NB which has a full kit of stamina morphs for DD abilities. The others just use weapon abilities. In fact stamina sorcerer, which is in one of the easiest classes to complete vMA on has no stamina morphs for class DD abilities and relies almost entirely on weapon and guild abilities for damage output; only hurricane does AoE damage but most of your damage output will still come from weapon skills like endless hail (top parsing ability on all stamina classes), poison injection, rending slashes, deadly cloak, rearming trap, rapid strikes or steel tornado.

On DK the only class skills you'll use for DPS are venom claw and noxious breath (mostly for the debuff). The rest will be weapon abilities, like the ones listed above. In fact DK is favored compared to the sorcerer since it also has 2 ultimates that do physical and poison damage respectively. The latter also makes you invulnerable for a few seconds and ignores enemy resistance letting you have good damage bursts if timed right.

So the issues are your own, not the content's.

not mad ??? idk where you get this , i just say the stamina dk have 2 ability vs 28 vs the magicka dk true or not ?
and just say the stamina dk have less option true or not ?
and just say is class skill are weak because 28 ability dont scale stamina true or not ??
and also say the dragon night is the warrior classs but is the class having the less stamina ability true or not ???
i`m really not mad but anyone will change my opinion or minimise it not because someone is not agree this mean is mad ??? idk where you get this btw english is not my first language

oh btw if you believe giving 1 powerful ability make 1 character , i think next eso will release a lot of new character have 1 ability following your logic guy why to have 28 ability ??? if one is enough /facepalm

Considering only the active abilities and not the passives and buffs will give you a skewed view of a class. Please read the tool tips and try to figure out where you're wrong in your assertion.

let break this down quick
Ardent Flame page have any have any pure buff Inferno scale magicka done let go next page

Draconic Power Volatile Armor scale magic , Coagulated Blood scale magic , green dragonblood pure useless skill ,
Reflective Scales the only neutral ability page done 1 buff

Earthen Heart buff have all magicka modify only Molten Armaments is neutral

so you are agree on ability but not buff np now let count the buff 1- green dragonblood 2-Reflective Scales 3- Molten Armaments 3 buff , so the stamina dk is 2 ability and 3 buff my opinion green dragonblood in 17 to 20k health build is very useless

Asardes

charley222 wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

I still don't understand exactly what's your issue since your phrasing is so bad but you seem to be upset about the fact there are only 2 stamina morphs on DK.

Well, most stamina classes have the same "problem", except maybe NB which has a full kit of stamina morphs for DD abilities. The others just use weapon abilities. In fact stamina sorcerer, which is in one of the easiest classes to complete vMA on has no stamina morphs for class DD abilities and relies almost entirely on weapon and guild abilities for damage output; only hurricane does AoE damage but most of your damage output will still come from weapon skills like endless hail (top parsing ability on all stamina classes), poison injection, rending slashes, deadly cloak, rearming trap, rapid strikes or steel tornado.

On DK the only class skills you'll use for DPS are venom claw and noxious breath (mostly for the debuff). The rest will be weapon abilities, like the ones listed above. In fact DK is favored compared to the sorcerer since it also has 2 ultimates that do physical and poison damage respectively. The latter also makes you invulnerable for a few seconds and ignores enemy resistance letting you have good damage bursts if timed right.

So the issues are your own, not the content's.

not mad ??? idk where you get this , i just say the stamina dk have 2 ability vs 28 vs the magicka dk true or not ?
and just say the stamina dk have less option true or not ?
and just say is class skill are weak because 28 ability dont scale stamina true or not ??
and also say the dragon night is the warrior classs but is the class having the less stamina ability true or not ???
i`m really not mad but anyone will change my opinion or minimise it not because someone is not agree this mean is mad ??? idk where you get this btw english is not my first language

oh btw if you believe giving 1 powerful ability make 1 character , i think next eso will release a lot of new character have 1 ability following your logic guy why to have 28 ability ??? if one is enough /facepalm

Considering only the active abilities and not the passives and buffs will give you a skewed view of a class. Please read the tool tips and try to figure out where you're wrong in your assertion.

let break this down quick
Ardent Flame page have any have any pure buff Inferno scale magicka done let go next page

Draconic Power Volatile Armor scale magic , Coagulated Blood scale magic , green dragonblood pure useless skill ,
Reflective Scales the only neutral ability page done 1 buff

Earthen Heart buff have all magicka modify only Molten Armaments is neutral

so you are agree on ability but not buff np now let count the buff 1- green dragonblood 2-Reflective Scales 3- Molten Armaments 3 buff , so the stamina dk is 2 ability and 3 buff my opinion green dragonblood in 17 to 20k health build is very useless

A few quick examples:

Ardent Flame:


Flames of Oblivion - Also grants Major Savagery while slotted, increasing your Weapon Critical Strike rating. Fireball damage will scale with your highest statistics.


World in Ruin - Increases the damage of Flame and Poison area of effect abilities by 6%.

Earthen Heart:


Battle Roar - WHEN ACTIVATING AN ULTIMATE ABILITY
When you cast an Ultimate ability, you restore 46 Health, Magicka and Stamina for each point of the Ultimate's cost.


Mountain's Blessing - Activating an Earthen Heart ability grants Minor Brutality to you and nearby allies, increasing Weapon Damage by 5% for 20 seconds. If you are in combat, you also gain 3 Ultimate. This can only occur once every 6 seconds.


Helping Hands - When you cast an Earthen Heart Ability, you restore 990 Stamina

charley222

Xvorg wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

I still don't understand exactly what's your issue since your phrasing is so bad but you seem to be upset about the fact there are only 2 stamina morphs on DK.

Well, most stamina classes have the same "problem", except maybe NB which has a full kit of stamina morphs for DD abilities. The others just use weapon abilities. In fact stamina sorcerer, which is in one of the easiest classes to complete vMA on has no stamina morphs for class DD abilities and relies almost entirely on weapon and guild abilities for damage output; only hurricane does AoE damage but most of your damage output will still come from weapon skills like endless hail (top parsing ability on all stamina classes), poison injection, rending slashes, deadly cloak, rearming trap, rapid strikes or steel tornado.

On DK the only class skills you'll use for DPS are venom claw and noxious breath (mostly for the debuff). The rest will be weapon abilities, like the ones listed above. In fact DK is favored compared to the sorcerer since it also has 2 ultimates that do physical and poison damage respectively. The latter also makes you invulnerable for a few seconds and ignores enemy resistance letting you have good damage bursts if timed right.

So the issues are your own, not the content's.

not mad ??? idk where you get this , i just say the stamina dk have 2 ability vs 28 vs the magicka dk true or not ?
and just say the stamina dk have less option true or not ?
and just say is class skill are weak because 28 ability dont scale stamina true or not ??
and also say the dragon night is the warrior classs but is the class having the less stamina ability true or not ???
i`m really not mad but anyone will change my opinion or minimise it not because someone is not agree this mean is mad ??? idk where you get this btw english is not my first language

oh btw if you believe giving 1 powerful ability make 1 character , i think next eso will release a lot of new character having 1 ability following your logic guy why to have 28 ability ??? if one is enough /facepalm

Well Stam has also more weapon dmg skills availbale than magicka. Magicka has only one burst and one decent Dot

not better to have to much weapon damage if you are not able to sustained also sorc have the option

Asardes wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

I still don't understand exactly what's your issue since your phrasing is so bad but you seem to be upset about the fact there are only 2 stamina morphs on DK.

Well, most stamina classes have the same "problem", except maybe NB which has a full kit of stamina morphs for DD abilities. The others just use weapon abilities. In fact stamina sorcerer, which is in one of the easiest classes to complete vMA on has no stamina morphs for class DD abilities and relies almost entirely on weapon and guild abilities for damage output; only hurricane does AoE damage but most of your damage output will still come from weapon skills like endless hail (top parsing ability on all stamina classes), poison injection, rending slashes, deadly cloak, rearming trap, rapid strikes or steel tornado.

On DK the only class skills you'll use for DPS are venom claw and noxious breath (mostly for the debuff). The rest will be weapon abilities, like the ones listed above. In fact DK is favored compared to the sorcerer since it also has 2 ultimates that do physical and poison damage respectively. The latter also makes you invulnerable for a few seconds and ignores enemy resistance letting you have good damage bursts if timed right.

So the issues are your own, not the content's.

not mad ??? idk where you get this , i just say the stamina dk have 2 ability vs 28 vs the magicka dk true or not ?
and just say the stamina dk have less option true or not ?
and just say is class skill are weak because 28 ability dont scale stamina true or not ??
and also say the dragon night is the warrior classs but is the class having the less stamina ability true or not ???
i`m really not mad but anyone will change my opinion or minimise it not because someone is not agree this mean is mad ??? idk where you get this btw english is not my first language

oh btw if you believe giving 1 powerful ability make 1 character , i think next eso will release a lot of new character have 1 ability following your logic guy why to have 28 ability ??? if one is enough /facepalm

Considering only the active abilities and not the passives and buffs will give you a skewed view of a class. Please read the tool tips and try to figure out where you're wrong in your assertion.

let break this down quick
Ardent Flame page have any have any pure buff Inferno scale magicka done let go next page

Draconic Power Volatile Armor scale magic , Coagulated Blood scale magic , green dragonblood pure useless skill ,
Reflective Scales the only neutral ability page done 1 buff

Earthen Heart buff have all magicka modify only Molten Armaments is neutral

so you are agree on ability but not buff np now let count the buff 1- green dragonblood 2-Reflective Scales 3- Molten Armaments 3 buff , so the stamina dk is 2 ability and 3 buff my opinion green dragonblood in 17 to 20k health build is very useless

A few quick examples:

Ardent Flame:


Flames of Oblivion - Also grants Major Savagery while slotted, increasing your Weapon Critical Strike rating. Fireball damage will scale with your highest statistics.


World in Ruin - Increases the damage of Flame and Poison area of effect abilities by 6%.

Earthen Heart:


Battle Roar - WHEN ACTIVATING AN ULTIMATE ABILITY
When you cast an Ultimate ability, you restore 46 Health, Magicka and Stamina for each point of the Ultimate's cost.


Mountain's Blessing - Activating an Earthen Heart ability grants Minor Brutality to you and nearby allies, increasing Weapon Damage by 5% for 20 seconds. If you are in combat, you also gain 3 Ultimate. This can only occur once every 6 seconds.


Helping Hands - When you cast an Earthen Heart Ability, you restore 990 Stamina

thank you to expose 100% of what i`m saying , see what you show me your selection is so poor again magicka , in magicka i just pick up everything , is so simple to understand
the MAGICKA dragon night benefit 95% of the class ability 100% of is passive
the stamina dk have 5% of class ability and very low passive %

28 MAGICKA Morph VS 2 STAMINA Morph you dont need to be a genuis to understand 2 have less option of 28

Danksta

SirAndy wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Claiming that vMA favours magicka/range builds is a lie....

No, it's not. You list 3 people out of how many (?) that finished vMA? Three ...

I've done vMA on both Stamina and Magicka builds and by far the easiest out of the box was my Magicka Pet Sorc.
And not just a little easier, i mean so much easier that it almost felt like cheating.

It should be pretty obvious that which class/spec is going to be easiest is going to vary from person to person. For me I get my highest scores (20k higher than any other toon), quickest runs (7-8 minutes faster than any other toon) and my only flawless with my stam sorc.

AverageJo3Gam3r

@charley222 stamDKs have 5 stamina skills. Venomous claw, noxious breath, take flight, corrosive armor, and flames of oblivion (costs magicka but scales with your highest stat), plus standard of might which is the best dps ultimate in the game and molten armaments which is a unique buff (and it restores stamina through helping hands).

Plus, stamina dps has access to four weapon skill lines. Magicka dps has access to two.

StamDKs have the highest single target dps in the game. They are not lacking by any means.

Please know your class before coming on here and arguing with people.

Toc de Malsvi

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

@charley222 stamDKs have 5 stamina skills. Venomous claw, noxious breath, take flight, corrosive armor, and flames of oblivion (costs magicka but scales with your highest stat), plus standard of might which is the best dps ultimate in the game and molten armaments which is a unique buff (and it restores stamina through helping hands).

Plus, stamina dps has access to four weapon skill lines. Magicka dps has access to two.

StamDKs have the highest single target dps in the game. They are not lacking by any means.

Please know your class before coming on here and arguing with people.

Bruh, mechanics are harrrd. Just want to hold L-trigger FTW. Why can't I be invincible!!!!!! Why doesn't ESO have mods like Skyrim. My class is the worstest class and everyone else has it better...

Mazbt

I know someone who actually has an easy time on maelstrom on a mag dk which is supposed to be one of the harder specs for that place. What is easy and what is hard is going to vary from person to person.

Beardimus

What a funny old thread....

Feels like a tanky troll.

charley222

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

@charley222 stamDKs have 5 stamina skills. Venomous claw, noxious breath, take flight, corrosive armor, and flames of oblivion (costs magicka but scales with your highest stat), plus standard of might which is the best dps ultimate in the game and molten armaments which is a unique buff (and it restores stamina through helping hands).

Plus, stamina dps has access to four weapon skill lines. Magicka dps has access to two.

StamDKs have the highest single target dps in the game. They are not lacking by any means.

Please know your class before coming on here and arguing with people.

1-Please know your class before coming on here and arguing with people ,
let me answer you , now you tell us the dragon night have 2 stamina ability 2 ultimate and 2 buff , btw Standard of Might scale magicka , btw is useless to have 4 weapon line , i like more to have 2 weapon line and be able to scale 100% of my skill ultimate and ability passive and be pure vs to be a weak hybrid , TELL us the genuis you are now what is the % of ability the stamina dk have ? and after tell us the same for magicka dk i guess i will dont have answer in % i understand you are shy to give us the number % btw if i go where i see 2 ability in stamina vs 28 btw learn HOW TO READ AND COUNT i never mention ultimate BUT ABILITY DK STAMINA ABILITY 2 DK MAGICKA ABILITY 28 is got 3 page of 5 ability each page each ability you have 2 choice of Morph 3x5x2=30 http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Dragonknight+Skills
magicka build have maybe 2 weapon line but are full magicka build pure build full power everything scale very well
stamina build are so broken weaker hybrid where so little class skill scale and have any pure stamina build

Jawasa

@charley222 still stamdk put the best singel target dps in game and yes They use standard of might in pve as dps. I pref weapon skill lines and a few good class skills over several bad class skills tbh.