veteran maelstrom arena boring and limited

charley222

i just make the 4 first stage of the arena
and is not fun and very limited here why

this arena is most design for magicka base or range
stamina melee build are very very very limited , sure is impossible to be stamina build and using a shield

my conclusion the maelstrom arena is a total failure because the option offer , is only a dps check for light and med armor where you have to nuke monster before you get kill , using most of the time the same build , better dont go there heavy and using a shield Oo lol

Waffennacht

That's been the major complaint of vMA, it's entirely dps based (except ice level - which I just dps'ed through anyway lol)

Joy_Division

I got my Flawless achievement on a heavy armor build with a (wooden) shield.

VMA is what you make of it. If you run a build you find boring, then you are going to find the content boring.

SirAndy

It has completely different dynamics from veteran dungeons and trials.

I still remember when i first walked into vMA with my Pet Sorc. I used to run that Sorc to solo farm vet dungeons and thought
"How bad can it be? This guy can easily solo a veteran 4-player dungeon".

The beating i received was glorious!



Point being, if you adjust your playstyle, skill and gear selection and CP distribution to fit the task, vMA becomes much more enjoyable. It's meant to be played differently ...

charley222

SirAndy wrote: »

It has completely different dynamics from veteran dungeons and trials.

I still remember when i first walked into vMA with my Pet Sorc. I used to run that Sorc to solo farm vet dungeons and thought
"How bad can it be? This guy can easily solo a veteran 4-player dungeon".

The beating i received was glorious!



Point being, if you adjust your playstyle, skill and gear selection and CP distribution to fit the task, vMA becomes much more enjoyable. It's meant to be played differently ...

funny you say 100% what i`m saying using other word Oo

Kanar

Of course you have to do some damage, because it's a solo challenge and monsters need to die. It's silly to bring a pure tank into vMA.

To do a flawless run you're better off with some mitigation instead of pure damage though. For example, I got flawless on my stamDK in hundings (medium) + pariah. Sword + Shield wouldn't be bad choice if you have other ranged attacks.

You're right that it is easier for most magicka builds, because of the ranged component. Most of the deadliest enemies are ranged and often sit in dangerous places like freezing water, poison spores, lightning water, etc. Plus, some bosses hit harder in melee like the one in round 7. So ranged builds will have an advantage.

Danksta

Stamina is completely viable for vMA. For some classes the highest scores are set by stamina, not magicka.

charley222

Danksta wrote: »

Stamina is completely viable for vMA. For some classes the highest scores are set by stamina, not magicka.

i never say your not able in stamina , bow =range and is stamina Oo go make it in melee using heavy or shield , waiting too see your video lol vMA is only a dps check you nuke or you get nuke simple , so no choice reset my tank skill cp ect ,,, and craft because all you need is dps and around min 3,5 k to 4k dps just boring idk a much this bs will cost me now got any talent there just $$$ to reset everything and have my dps

AverageJo3Gam3r

You need a mixture of damage, sustain, and survivability to clear vMA. You can do it on magicka, stamina, ranged, heavy armor, sword and board, even with a mop and bucket. AndyS has some of the highest vMA scores on YT running every possible class combination.

Deltia cleared vMA on a heavy armor DK with sword and board:
https://youtu.be/YVp4fn2HW9M

This is still possible--I did it three nights ago on my tank to get the stormproof title on him.

Gilliam did it using a bucket and mop:
https://youtu.be/nVFYPJW-aa8

You're using your build as a scapegoat. VMA is about knowing the arena. Nothing more. Once you've mastered the mechanics you can clear it on anything.

VaranisArano

The more you know the arena, the easier it is to beat. The less you know it, the more interesting of a challenge it becomes.

When I tried round 1 on my MagDK Tank, I was using class skills I'd never equipped before in order to pull through. On my stam sorc DPS, I beat Round 1 with my build about as I expected, but I can tell that round 2 is going to require further adaptation to beat.

charley222

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

You need a mixture of damage, sustain, and survivability to clear vMA. You can do it on magicka, stamina, ranged, heavy armor, sword and board, even with a mop and bucket. AndyS has some of the highest vMA scores on YT running every possible class combination.

Deltia cleared vMA on a heavy armor DK with sword and board:
https://youtu.be/YVp4fn2HW9M

This is still possible--I did it three nights ago on my tank to get the stormproof title on him.

Gilliam did it using a bucket and mop:
https://youtu.be/nVFYPJW-aa8

You're using your build as a scapegoat. VMA is about knowing the arena. Nothing more. Once you've mastered the mechanics you can clear it on anything.

dont show other video but , show your video lol, and you will see very quick is less of 1 % have this in melee .also all these guy make it in magicka first , and after remake it using stamina build and Maelstrom weapon also your other video is a April Fools #ClickBait the guy use Maelstrom bow =range,

Qbiken

charley222 wrote: »

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

You need a mixture of damage, sustain, and survivability to clear vMA. You can do it on magicka, stamina, ranged, heavy armor, sword and board, even with a mop and bucket. AndyS has some of the highest vMA scores on YT running every possible class combination.

Deltia cleared vMA on a heavy armor DK with sword and board:
https://youtu.be/YVp4fn2HW9M

This is still possible--I did it three nights ago on my tank to get the stormproof title on him.

Gilliam did it using a bucket and mop:
https://youtu.be/nVFYPJW-aa8

You're using your build as a scapegoat. VMA is about knowing the arena. Nothing more. Once you've mastered the mechanics you can clear it on anything.

dont show other video but , show your video lol, and you will see very quick is less of 1 % have this in melee .also all these guy make it in magicka first , and after remake it using stamina build and Maelstrom weapon also your other video is a April Fools #ClickBait the guy use Maelstrom bow =range,

Just because you´ve a bow on your backbar doesn´t mean you´re a "range" character....Sure there´re some bow + bow builds for vMA out there but not my favourite.....

The highest scores I´ve ever seen in vMA 600k+ scores are often made by stamina classes. Think the highest I´ve seen is from a stamsorc (with a melee setup = aka dualwield frontbar, bow backbar). The 2nd highest I´ve seen is from a stamblade on console. 3rd place I´ve seen is a stamsorc. After this come some scores with magsorcs and magblade. Claiming that vMA favours magicka/range builds is a lie....it favours those who knows the mechanics. Just look at people like DeHei, Blockmore, andy.s on youtube. Doesn´t really matter what class they play, they still get about the same score in vMA, since they use the same/similar tactics.

The only thing you´re right about is that vMA favours character´s that can dish out a lot of dps.

Betsararie

then don't do it

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

@charley222 what is making you put "Oo", I have no idea what that is supposed to mean and you seem to be putting it in every post you have.

Asardes

vMA is certainly doable for stamina builds. This patch stamina actually does more damage than magicka. If you are having trouble clearing it I recommend going 2H for the brawler shield and the burst heal from rally - it also saves weapon power potions since it gives major brutality. Also reverse slice weaved with heavy attack can make short work of trash mob pack and kill bosses fast. The first 4 arenas are pretty easy regardless of builds. I've found 5,6,7 to be the hardest. vMA can certainly get boring after a few dozen runs within a short time, but the first runs will teach you a lot about your build, how to mitigate damage and burst. This is essential if you want to go on and do end game group content like veteran trials and some of the newer DLC dungeons.

Supernatural

Qbiken wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

You need a mixture of damage, sustain, and survivability to clear vMA. You can do it on magicka, stamina, ranged, heavy armor, sword and board, even with a mop and bucket. AndyS has some of the highest vMA scores on YT running every possible class combination.

Deltia cleared vMA on a heavy armor DK with sword and board:
https://youtu.be/YVp4fn2HW9M

This is still possible--I did it three nights ago on my tank to get the stormproof title on him.

Gilliam did it using a bucket and mop:
https://youtu.be/nVFYPJW-aa8

You're using your build as a scapegoat. VMA is about knowing the arena. Nothing more. Once you've mastered the mechanics you can clear it on anything.

dont show other video but , show your video lol, and you will see very quick is less of 1 % have this in melee .also all these guy make it in magicka first , and after remake it using stamina build and Maelstrom weapon also your other video is a April Fools #ClickBait the guy use Maelstrom bow =range,

Just because you´ve a bow on your backbar doesn´t mean you´re a "range" character....Sure there´re some bow + bow builds for vMA out there but not my favourite.....

The highest scores I´ve ever seen in vMA 600k+ scores are often made by stamina classes. Think the highest I´ve seen is from a stamsorc (with a melee setup = aka dualwield frontbar, bow backbar). The 2nd highest I´ve seen is from a stamblade on console. 3rd place I´ve seen is a stamsorc. After this come some scores with magsorcs and magblade. Claiming that vMA favours magicka/range builds is a lie....it favours those who knows the mechanics. Just look at people like DeHei, Blockmore, andy.s on youtube. Doesn´t really matter what class they play, they still get about the same score in vMA, since they use the same/similar tactics.

The only thing you´re right about is that vMA favours character´s that can dish out a lot of dps.

The fact the certain players achieve ultra high scores on stamina builds does not negate the fact the magicka builds have a much easier time in Maelstrom. Having access to shields and ranged spammables can help you survive through noxious mechanics that you would have a much, much harder time surviving on stamina. And since you mentioned 600k+ scores, at the current meta magicka nightblade and sorcerer are by far the highest score performing classes at the moment.

Beardimus

So you want to be a tank, in hard content, where there is no DPS to kill things for you, in solo content.

I mean I'm all for play how you want to play but I'm confused...how would that ever work?? Technically I mean.

Same for healers. They have to respec to DPS, which is kinda right I would say you can't heal Voriak to death.

And ur wrong about vMA, its not just about DPS check, you can clear with 15k on a burst build..in fact StamBlade was the first to break 600k on Consoles..

Qbiken

Supernatural wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

You need a mixture of damage, sustain, and survivability to clear vMA. You can do it on magicka, stamina, ranged, heavy armor, sword and board, even with a mop and bucket. AndyS has some of the highest vMA scores on YT running every possible class combination.

Deltia cleared vMA on a heavy armor DK with sword and board:
https://youtu.be/YVp4fn2HW9M

This is still possible--I did it three nights ago on my tank to get the stormproof title on him.

Gilliam did it using a bucket and mop:
https://youtu.be/nVFYPJW-aa8

You're using your build as a scapegoat. VMA is about knowing the arena. Nothing more. Once you've mastered the mechanics you can clear it on anything.

dont show other video but , show your video lol, and you will see very quick is less of 1 % have this in melee .also all these guy make it in magicka first , and after remake it using stamina build and Maelstrom weapon also your other video is a April Fools #ClickBait the guy use Maelstrom bow =range,

Just because you´ve a bow on your backbar doesn´t mean you´re a "range" character....Sure there´re some bow + bow builds for vMA out there but not my favourite.....

The highest scores I´ve ever seen in vMA 600k+ scores are often made by stamina classes. Think the highest I´ve seen is from a stamsorc (with a melee setup = aka dualwield frontbar, bow backbar). The 2nd highest I´ve seen is from a stamblade on console. 3rd place I´ve seen is a stamsorc. After this come some scores with magsorcs and magblade. Claiming that vMA favours magicka/range builds is a lie....it favours those who knows the mechanics. Just look at people like DeHei, Blockmore, andy.s on youtube. Doesn´t really matter what class they play, they still get about the same score in vMA, since they use the same/similar tactics.

The only thing you´re right about is that vMA favours character´s that can dish out a lot of dps.

The fact the certain players achieve ultra high scores on stamina builds does not negate the fact the magicka builds have a much easier time in Maelstrom. Having access to shields and ranged spammables can help you survive through noxious mechanics that you would have a much, much harder time surviving on stamina. And since you mentioned 600k+ scores, at the current meta magicka nightblade and sorcerer are by far the highest score performing classes at the moment.

Magicka builds has access to shields that helps them that´s true. And nightblades and sorcs has always have the higest scores in vMA in general, but that goes for both stamblade/magblade and stamsorc/magsorcs so I would rather say it has to do with those classes in particular. In general stambuilds dish out more damage than their magicka counterpart, that´s their way of surviving.

I don´t know which platform or server you play on but on PC/EU this is how it is regarding scores atm:

Templar: #1 spot is a stamplar with a 590k+ score
Dragonknight: #1 spot is a stamplar with 590k+ score (same player that´s #1 on Templar)
Warden: #1 is a stam warden (last time I checked) (same player that´s #1 on Templar and DK)
Nightblade: #1 is a magblade I think
Sorc: #1 is a magsorcs but the best stamsorc is within like 1-2k score range.

charley222

Beardimus wrote: »

So you want to be a tank, in hard content, where there is no DPS to kill things for you, in solo content.

I mean I'm all for play how you want to play but I'm confused...how would that ever work?? Technically I mean.

Same for healers. They have to respec to DPS, which is kinda right I would say you can't heal Voriak to death.

And ur wrong about vMA, its not just about DPS check, you can clear with 15k on a burst build..in fact StamBlade was the first to break 600k on Consoles..

tank are not design for playing in hard content Oo , this just show how this game have terrible design , take 2 or 3 player cleaning vma and put them in veteran dungeons and you will need any tank , this just show how the game design fail so bad you have any Strategy and have poor Mechanics because you just have to nuke before to get nuke , in my opinion eso really improve in a lot of department but combat and Mechanics is really the weak spot , just go look all veteran who visite eso studio already left the game , go look how many video about the terrible balance patch , i`m suppose to make vma using my stamina dk lol dam my dk have 2 YES ONLY 2 DAM class ability in stamina Oo and btw green dragon blood who use this ? is got any point to use some stamina build and melee but only pain

Izaki

Qbiken wrote: »

Supernatural wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

You need a mixture of damage, sustain, and survivability to clear vMA. You can do it on magicka, stamina, ranged, heavy armor, sword and board, even with a mop and bucket. AndyS has some of the highest vMA scores on YT running every possible class combination.

Deltia cleared vMA on a heavy armor DK with sword and board:
https://youtu.be/YVp4fn2HW9M

This is still possible--I did it three nights ago on my tank to get the stormproof title on him.

Gilliam did it using a bucket and mop:
https://youtu.be/nVFYPJW-aa8

You're using your build as a scapegoat. VMA is about knowing the arena. Nothing more. Once you've mastered the mechanics you can clear it on anything.

dont show other video but , show your video lol, and you will see very quick is less of 1 % have this in melee .also all these guy make it in magicka first , and after remake it using stamina build and Maelstrom weapon also your other video is a April Fools #ClickBait the guy use Maelstrom bow =range,

Just because you´ve a bow on your backbar doesn´t mean you´re a "range" character....Sure there´re some bow + bow builds for vMA out there but not my favourite.....

The highest scores I´ve ever seen in vMA 600k+ scores are often made by stamina classes. Think the highest I´ve seen is from a stamsorc (with a melee setup = aka dualwield frontbar, bow backbar). The 2nd highest I´ve seen is from a stamblade on console. 3rd place I´ve seen is a stamsorc. After this come some scores with magsorcs and magblade. Claiming that vMA favours magicka/range builds is a lie....it favours those who knows the mechanics. Just look at people like DeHei, Blockmore, andy.s on youtube. Doesn´t really matter what class they play, they still get about the same score in vMA, since they use the same/similar tactics.

The only thing you´re right about is that vMA favours character´s that can dish out a lot of dps.

The fact the certain players achieve ultra high scores on stamina builds does not negate the fact the magicka builds have a much easier time in Maelstrom. Having access to shields and ranged spammables can help you survive through noxious mechanics that you would have a much, much harder time surviving on stamina. And since you mentioned 600k+ scores, at the current meta magicka nightblade and sorcerer are by far the highest score performing classes at the moment.

Magicka builds has access to shields that helps them that´s true. And nightblades and sorcs has always have the higest scores in vMA in general, but that goes for both stamblade/magblade and stamsorc/magsorcs so I would rather say it has to do with those classes in particular. In general stambuilds dish out more damage than their magicka counterpart, that´s their way of surviving.

I don´t know which platform or server you play on but on PC/EU this is how it is regarding scores atm:

Templar: #1 spot is a stamplar with a 590k+ score
Dragonknight: #1 spot is a stamplar with 590k+ score (same player that´s #1 on Templar)
Warden: #1 is a stam warden (last time I checked) (same player that´s #1 on Templar and DK)
Nightblade: #1 is a magblade I think
Sorc: #1 is a magsorcs but the best stamsorc is within like 1-2k score range.

That guy you're talking to was the world's first Nightblade 600k clear (on a Stamblade) on Xbox, which was in Homestead (aka back when Pet Sorcs ruled PvE). Just left Xbox and is on PC EU now.

Danksta

charley222 wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Stamina is completely viable for vMA. For some classes the highest scores are set by stamina, not magicka.

i never say your not able in stamina , bow =range and is stamina Oo go make it in melee using heavy or shield , waiting too see your video lol vMA is only a dps check you nuke or you get nuke simple , so no choice reset my tank skill cp ect ,,, and craft because all you need is dps and around min 3,5 k to 4k dps just boring idk a much this bs will cost me now got any talent there just $$$ to reset everything and have my dps

I've not only beaten vMA in heavy armor but got my first flawless run in heavy armor. There are very few DPS checks in vMA and the few that are there are very mild. You just need to learn to be efficient and be mindful of your positioning.

VaranisArano

charley222 wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

So you want to be a tank, in hard content, where there is no DPS to kill things for you, in solo content.

I mean I'm all for play how you want to play but I'm confused...how would that ever work?? Technically I mean.

Same for healers. They have to respec to DPS, which is kinda right I would say you can't heal Voriak to death.

And ur wrong about vMA, its not just about DPS check, you can clear with 15k on a burst build..in fact StamBlade was the first to break 600k on Consoles..

tank are not design for playing in hard content Oo , this just show how this game have terrible design , take 2 or 3 player cleaning vma and put them in veteran dungeons and you will need any tank , this just show how the game design fail so bad you have any Strategy and have poor Mechanics because you just have to nuke before to get nuke , in my opinion eso really improve in a lot of department but combat and Mechanics is really the weak spot , just go look all veteran who visite eso studio already left the game , go look how many video about the terrible balance patch , i`m suppose to make vma using my stamina dk lol dam my dk have 2 YES ONLY 2 DAM class ability in stamina Oo and btw green dragon blood who use this ? is got any point to use some stamina build and melee but only pain

I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that because tanky builds may have to adapt their build to do more DPS in order to complete Vet Maelstrom that they aren't designed for playing in hard content.

When you are learning Vet Maelstrom, you have to adapt. The build that took my MagDK tank through normal and veteran dungeons (with a healer and two DPS) wasn't sufficient on its own to get me through the first round of Vet Maelstrom. I had to equip more self-heals and be proactive about my defenses while also doing more damage. Taunt + Burning Embers wasn't going to cut it.

The first time I took my Stam Sorc DPS through the first arena, she died on every mini-boss up to the final one. I went back, redid my gear and trained for a better DPS rotation, and this time I only died once on the final boss before beating the arena. But I take two steps into the 2nd Arena and those spinning blades murder me. So what do I need to do? Adapt. Be more proactive on my self-heals, use the sigils, use the levels to stop the blades if necessary and keep going. If necessary, I'll use different skills, but mostly its going to come down to practice and learning the arena.

Long story short, Vet Maelstrom requires players to be tank/healer/dps all at the same time. You have to be able to take a hit, heal constantly, and damage mobs before they kill you. Tanks, in my experience, will find it harder to get the DPS part of the equation, since we are used to defending and self-healing. DPS, in my experience, find the healing or defense part to be the hardest.

Complete side note: the game wasn't designed with stamina classes in mind. ZOS has been adjusting the game every since they removed the soft caps to make stamina classes more viable. So when you complain about having only 2 class abilities that use stamina, that's because the game wasn't designed for stamina classes. Just remember that you also have a bunch of weapons to choose from as well.

TheMystid

charley222 wrote: »

i just make the 4 first stage of the arena
and... my conclusion the maelstrom arena is a total failure

So you are basically saying that vMA is a "total failure" without knowing *** about it. LoL we definetly are all here for this kind of insightful posts...

Jaimeh

I don’t think vMA is necessarily a DPS check; bursting everything before it gets a chance to kill you is awesome, but if you’re not able to do that, then I find pacing one’s self works wonders. I recently cleared it with my warden healer, who didn’t have any destro staff passives, morphed skills, or optimal CP allocation, so basically hit like a wet noodle, and the only reason I could beat it was coming up with a strategy, since bursting was not an option. And that's the challenge and also what’s great about vMA: learning the arena, and adjusting your playstyle according to your character and what gear/skills you have available. People have cleared it on healer and tank builds, with random blue gear, without gear (there is a recent forum post about a run without any armour pieces, which is brilliant!). If you don’t learn the mechanics and figure out a strategy for them, you won’t get far even if you have an ideally built character. As for magicka versus stamina: yes, magicka classes have shields and can range, but then they have limited stamina pools, and besides blocking, there’s also a lot of bashing/roll-dodging/break-freeing required in vMA. I think the first clear is definitely easier with a magicka character, but once you learn the arena, you will actually be able to clear it faster with stamina characters.

Illurian

Waffennacht wrote: »

That's been the major complaint of vMA, it's entirely dps based (except ice level - which I just dps'ed through anyway lol)

In my opinion stage 5 is the most dps based stage in vMA, as the boss breaking the ice platforms is basically a dps race.

Xvorg

charley222 wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

So you want to be a tank, in hard content, where there is no DPS to kill things for you, in solo content.

I mean I'm all for play how you want to play but I'm confused...how would that ever work?? Technically I mean.

Same for healers. They have to respec to DPS, which is kinda right I would say you can't heal Voriak to death.

And ur wrong about vMA, its not just about DPS check, you can clear with 15k on a burst build..in fact StamBlade was the first to break 600k on Consoles..

tank are not design for playing in hard content Oo , this just show how this game have terrible design , take 2 or 3 player cleaning vma and put them in veteran dungeons and you will need any tank , this just show how the game design fail so bad you have any Strategy and have poor Mechanics because you just have to nuke before to get nuke , in my opinion eso really improve in a lot of department but combat and Mechanics is really the weak spot , just go look all veteran who visite eso studio already left the game , go look how many video about the terrible balance patch , i`m suppose to make vma using my stamina dk lol dam my dk have 2 YES ONLY 2 DAM class ability in stamina Oo and btw green dragon blood who use this ? is got any point to use some stamina build and melee but only pain

Sure? I've seen some quite good tanks even in PvP

charley222

i dont expect eso community to be agree on my opinion all my point are fact and are talk everywhere , but here they just try to minimise the issue lolol ( oh vma is not really a dps check yes in some point but blablabla and bs ) same crap for oh stamina is not harder to play build blabla ect,, how is going to be the same difficulty if my DK have 2 only stamina ability 2 dam option vs 28 Morph in magicka Oo dont really make sense to me stamina dk suck because they have weak class skill only 2 ability scale dps on 30 ability and have only 1/3 of the passive working because stam dk dont really use is class skill compare magicka build stamina dk are only a repack of skill it no passive , remove the bow in the rotation what is left Oo so much easy and strong to be magicka having strong class skill because everything scale strong weapon skill because you use staff 100% magicka base but the other side you can not have this in stamina , you need to be some weak hybrid who dont scale your class skill very well expect 2 ability dont look fair to me

Xvorg

charley222 wrote: »

i dont expect eso community to be agree on my opinion all my point are fact and are talk everywhere , but here they just try to minimise the issue lolol ( oh vma is not really a dps check yes in some point but blablabla and bs ) same crap for oh stamina is not harder to play build blabla ect,, how is going to be the same difficulty if my DK have 2 only stamina ability 2 dam option vs 28 Morph in magicka Oo dont really make sense to me stamina dk suck because they have weak class skill only 2 ability scale dps on 30 ability and have only 1/3 of the passive working because stam dk dont really use is class skill compare magicka build stamina dk are only a repack of skill it no passive , remove the bow in the rotation what is left Oo so much easy and strong to be magicka having strong class skill because everything scale strong weapon skill because you use staff 100% magicka base but the other side you can not have this in stamina , you need to be some weak hybrid who dont scale your class skill very well expect 2 ability dont look fair to me

At the begining, there were no stam class abilities and many of us had to play that game.

Besides, if you complain about stam skills on a DK, then you have never tried a sorc

charley222

Xvorg wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

So you want to be a tank, in hard content, where there is no DPS to kill things for you, in solo content.

I mean I'm all for play how you want to play but I'm confused...how would that ever work?? Technically I mean.

Same for healers. They have to respec to DPS, which is kinda right I would say you can't heal Voriak to death.

And ur wrong about vMA, its not just about DPS check, you can clear with 15k on a burst build..in fact StamBlade was the first to break 600k on Consoles..

tank are not design for playing in hard content Oo , this just show how this game have terrible design , take 2 or 3 player cleaning vma and put them in veteran dungeons and you will need any tank , this just show how the game design fail so bad you have any Strategy and have poor Mechanics because you just have to nuke before to get nuke , in my opinion eso really improve in a lot of department but combat and Mechanics is really the weak spot , just go look all veteran who visite eso studio already left the game , go look how many video about the terrible balance patch , i`m suppose to make vma using my stamina dk lol dam my dk have 2 YES ONLY 2 DAM class ability in stamina Oo and btw green dragon blood who use this ? is got any point to use some stamina build and melee but only pain

Sure? I've seen some quite good tanks even in PvP

i`m just answering to Beardimus in is logic , what i understand from him ,he saying tank dont have is place in hard content like vma

Xvorg

charley222 wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

So you want to be a tank, in hard content, where there is no DPS to kill things for you, in solo content.

I mean I'm all for play how you want to play but I'm confused...how would that ever work?? Technically I mean.

Same for healers. They have to respec to DPS, which is kinda right I would say you can't heal Voriak to death.

And ur wrong about vMA, its not just about DPS check, you can clear with 15k on a burst build..in fact StamBlade was the first to break 600k on Consoles..

tank are not design for playing in hard content Oo , this just show how this game have terrible design , take 2 or 3 player cleaning vma and put them in veteran dungeons and you will need any tank , this just show how the game design fail so bad you have any Strategy and have poor Mechanics because you just have to nuke before to get nuke , in my opinion eso really improve in a lot of department but combat and Mechanics is really the weak spot , just go look all veteran who visite eso studio already left the game , go look how many video about the terrible balance patch , i`m suppose to make vma using my stamina dk lol dam my dk have 2 YES ONLY 2 DAM class ability in stamina Oo and btw green dragon blood who use this ? is got any point to use some stamina build and melee but only pain

Sure? I've seen some quite good tanks even in PvP

i`m just answering to Beardimus in is logic , what i understand from him ,he saying tank dont have is place in hard content

I do believe a tank can beat VMA, but he must be a warden. Also sap tank could have a chance.

Regarding the complaint about stamDK, we have been asking ZoS for a class stam spammable since 2015

charley222

Xvorg wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

i dont expect eso community to be agree on my opinion all my point are fact and are talk everywhere , but here they just try to minimise the issue lolol ( oh vma is not really a dps check yes in some point but blablabla and bs ) same crap for oh stamina is not harder to play build blabla ect,, how is going to be the same difficulty if my DK have 2 only stamina ability 2 dam option vs 28 Morph in magicka Oo dont really make sense to me stamina dk suck because they have weak class skill only 2 ability scale dps on 30 ability and have only 1/3 of the passive working because stam dk dont really use is class skill compare magicka build stamina dk are only a repack of skill it no passive , remove the bow in the rotation what is left Oo so much easy and strong to be magicka having strong class skill because everything scale strong weapon skill because you use staff 100% magicka base but the other side you can not have this in stamina , you need to be some weak hybrid who dont scale your class skill very well expect 2 ability dont look fair to me

At the begining, there were no stam class abilities and many of us had to play that game.

Besides, if you complain about stam skills on a DK, then you have never tried a sorc

i know the begining and remember the nightmare for stamina and the useless heavy and also the 100 crown every month lolol
is just the progress to have stamina ability are amost inexistent for dk only 2 ability i think all other class have more of this

templar 3
Sorcerer 3
nightblade 5 oO
warden 3

dragon night the warrior have ONLY 2 stamina ability facepalm wake up Oo