veteran maelstrom arena boring and limited

charley222

Jawasa wrote: »

@charley222 still stamdk put the best singel target dps in game and yes They use standard of might in pve as dps. I pref weapon skill lines and a few good class skills over several bad class skills tbh.

this dont change standard of might will make more dps on magicka build
i never say the dot is not good but the class is very limited , i just say in vMA is nuke or get nuke you can not take the damage in vMA , i know it i got over 30k health and have -50% spell and melee damage deduction and have around 2500 weapon damage 40k stamina , vMA is only to nuke the faster possible everything is spawn dps check nuke or get nuke and p0laying melee and heavy is just to slow to move vs aoe and move to the target before they spawn lacking of dps is your dead , this is why this place is very limited and favorise some build

Danksta

charley222 wrote: »

Jawasa wrote: »

@charley222 still stamdk put the best singel target dps in game and yes They use standard of might in pve as dps. I pref weapon skill lines and a few good class skills over several bad class skills tbh.

this dont change standard of might will make more dps on magicka build
i never say the dot is not good but the class is very limited , i just say in vMA is nuke or get nuke you can not take the damage in vMA , i know it i got over 30k health and have -50% spell and melee damage deduction and have around 2500 weapon damage 40k stamina , vMA is only to nuke the faster possible everything is spawn dps check nuke or get nuke and p0laying melee and heavy is just to slow to move vs aoe and move to the target before they spawn lacking of dps is your dead , this is why this place is very limited and favorise some build

Maybe you should try learning vMA on builds that are proven to work, and save the weird vMA builds for after you've learned the arena.

ak_pvp

charley222 wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

There's no such thing as a "tank character", but only tank gear. My stamina characters have both types of gear in inventory, and only swap that, the mundus & food. My Stamina DK can do vDSA as tank with heavy Dragon + Torug + Shadowrend + Chocklethorn, Atronach mundus and Whichmother's Brew, then in 5 minutes swap to medium Hunding +VO +Velidreth with Dubious Camoran Throne and Warrior mundus and jump right into vMA. If you try to do vMA in tank gear and fail it's 100% your fault.

stop be out the track because this go anywhere yes is got some tank character build all point in health cp in blocking and other cp in point defensive optionskill point cost me 16k to reset (320skill point) also this dont take 5 minute crafting good medium gear having Glyph of Prismatic in medium or you have no health , ask question np but plz stop be out the track


how many stamina Morph the dk have ? 2 and how many magicka Morph the dk have ? 28

so my next question ( you tell me ) someone having 28 magicka morph vs 2 stamina morph dont have more option ??

how 1 character have 2 stamina ability are able to scare is class skill well ???? how is passive will assist this character ??? if this character have 2 stamina ability ??? is easy to understand the option are very very limited , only poor soul will not understanding this
yes everything is possible but really not enjoyable in this case because the poor option

one of those stam morphs are the strongest single target DoT in the game tho......(venomous claw)

i see your not answering the question , thank you have a nice day
so to conclure the stamina dk is one skill for this guy , yea you got a lot of option there Oo next character in eso will have 1 skill Oo

I hope you know stamDK is the strongest pve class. And not half bad in vMA.

AverageJo3Gam3r

"StamDKs are awful" That's why the best vet trials guilds bring four StamDKs and no magdks. But if you think StamDKs are that weak, a MagDK is only a race change away.

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO

charley222 wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

So you want to be a tank, in hard content, where there is no DPS to kill things for you, in solo content.

I mean I'm all for play how you want to play but I'm confused...how would that ever work?? Technically I mean.

Same for healers. They have to respec to DPS, which is kinda right I would say you can't heal Voriak to death.

And ur wrong about vMA, its not just about DPS check, you can clear with 15k on a burst build..in fact StamBlade was the first to break 600k on Consoles..

tank are not design for playing in hard content Oo , this just show how this game have terrible design , take 2 or 3 player cleaning vma and put them in veteran dungeons and you will need any tank , this just show how the game design fail so bad you have any Strategy and have poor Mechanics because you just have to nuke before to get nuke , in my opinion eso really improve in a lot of department but combat and Mechanics is really the weak spot , just go look all veteran who visite eso studio already left the game , go look how many video about the terrible balance patch , i`m suppose to make vma using my stamina dk lol dam my dk have 2 YES ONLY 2 DAM class ability in stamina Oo and btw green dragon blood who use this ? is got any point to use some stamina build and melee but only pain

The game design follows a pretty standard archetypal MMO approach. If you have a problem with that, then you have a problem with the genre, to which my advice to you (and the only logical advice) is that you should find a new genre. There's nothing wrong with that, certain game types aren't for everyone. But saying "I don't like this" versus "this is broken" are two very different things, and you're claiming that the combat system in the game is broken. I won't say it's perfect (because it obviously isn't) but it's definitely functional and in my most humble of opinions, fun. At the end of the day, you should play games to have fun. If you aren't having fun, maybe it's time to find a new game, because ZOS is not going to dismantle a combat system that they spent literal years building and tweaking because of a small group of players who mistake certain functionalities for complete dysfunction.

Qbiken

SirAndy wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Claiming that vMA favours magicka/range builds is a lie....

No, it's not. You list 3 people out of how many (?) that finished vMA? Three ...

I've done vMA on both Stamina and Magicka builds and by far the easiest out of the box was my Magicka Pet Sorc.
And not just a little easier, i mean so much easier that it almost felt like cheating.

I couldn´t possible name all of them.....giving examples usually is better than giving nothing.....

I´ve completed vMA on all classes both stamina and magicka (6 character´s as Flawless) and I think both melee/range / stamina/magicka has their pros and cons that makes them fairly equal in vMA. Sure, I´m not denying that magsorcs has it a little easier, but I think it´s mainly due to them having the strongest shield in the game that can mitigate a lot of damage, rather than their ability to go range. But I guess our experiences differ then (And perhaps I could´ve wrote that line a little different xD )

Xvorg

charley222 wrote: »

Jawasa wrote: »

@charley222 still stamdk put the best singel target dps in game and yes They use standard of might in pve as dps. I pref weapon skill lines and a few good class skills over several bad class skills tbh.

this dont change standard of might will make more dps on magicka build
i never say the dot is not good but the class is very limited , i just say in vMA is nuke or get nuke you can not take the damage in vMA , i know it i got over 30k health and have -50% spell and melee damage deduction and have around 2500 weapon damage 40k stamina , vMA is only to nuke the faster possible everything is spawn dps check nuke or get nuke and p0laying melee and heavy is just to slow to move vs aoe and move to the target before they spawn lacking of dps is your dead , this is why this place is very limited and favorise some build

Stam classes must be limited in class skills, because if you make each skill have a stam version, then stamina not only will have class skills, but also 4 weapon skill trees as option.

To solve that issue, all weapon skill should have the same treatment and that will become a mess: What morph will you give to magicka, Dizz Swing or WB? Or to stamina, Force shock or Force pulse? And onec you do that, how will you deal with passives in that world? Penetrating magic allowing you to ignore armor when using a stam based staff? Battle rush giving magicka when you kill an enemy?

A stam based resto staff?


I also would like a stam version of whip, but the game was not designed for that and trying to do so will only make this game worse, instead of improving it.

charley222

just get to the final boss and i`m just so disgusting of this arena is only a dps check for caster and range nothing more nuke or get nuke dont go there stamina melee because you will burn you stamina after running in and out , again like always poor Combat & Character Mechanics design , here why
1- if you use heavy armor you will lost all you stamina because running out of aoe or rolling
2- melee get burn to dead vs the final boss minion Daedra's , reflect block ect nothing work , so no choice to back up using bow or range so your there your no more melee

3- 1 vs 1 vs the boss, you melee him but you have no time to walk out of is aoe beacuse is to quick , so no choice to roll of burn your stamina for only 1 spell = so bye bye heavy your dead

4- in my knowledge is got any recent video showing some melee cleaning vMA and the old video player cheat because they already use vma weapon before to make the arena , so not a true run

for sure this arena is really not fun , and in my opinion 100% broken for some class and build , this arena is desing for caster and range magicka np for stamina you need to stick to your bow IF you think i`m wrong np show me some video from the last 2 or 3 month , and they are not using vmn weapon ,

btw all health for dk really suck for stamina build i also use Vigor but my stamina just get drain to quick vs the Daedra's this is why i`m trying to health using the mp but these 2 skill are garbage for stamina green dragon blood one of the worst useless skill ever , so no choice , need very high dps around 4k and range for stamina build

charley222

Joy_Division wrote: »

I got my Flawless achievement on a heavy armor build with a (wooden) shield.

VMA is what you make of it. If you run a build you find boring, then you are going to find the content boring.

np prove it , make a video
1- dont use VMA weapon to make like a first first attempt
2- because is melee drop your bow
3- np use your 7 ipeace heavy and dont use costume

i bet i will dont see this video very soon lol
is easy to talk but to deliver is a bit harder
have a good time peace

charley222

Danksta wrote: »

Stamina is completely viable for vMA. For some classes the highest scores are set by stamina, not magicka.

np drop your bow and show me this waiting to see your video

np prove it , make a video
1- dont use VMA weapon to make like a first first attempt
2- because is melee drop your bow
3- np use your 7 ipeace heavy and dont use costume

i bet i will dont see this video very soon lol
is easy to talk but to deliver is a bit harder
have a good time peace

FakeFox

Heavy armor is completely viable for vMSA, the only real issue is that you are logically slower, however I would say it's far easier as mistakes don't kill you.In my opinion it's rather balanced between builds, as those with the most potential (stamina) are also the hardest to play.

charley222

FakeFox wrote: »

Heavy armor is completely viable for vMSA, the only real issue is that you are logically slower, however I would say it's far easier as mistakes don't kill you.In my opinion it's rather balanced between builds, as those with the most potential (stamina) are also the hardest to play.

my friend stop the bla bla

bring something on the table waiting your video

np drop your bow and show me this waiting to see your video

np prove it , make a video
1- dont use VMA weapon to make like a first first attempt
2- because is melee drop your bow
3- np use your 7 ipeace heavy and dont use costume

i bet i will dont see this video very soon lol
is easy to talk but to deliver is a bit harder
have a good time peace

i will have some huge respect for the one making this , because in my mind this will be extremely hard , the issue melee and 7 piece heavy is to slow to escape the Daedra's fire you will burn to dead ,

Arthg

Hey OP

I don't think it's a stretch to say that many a player owe their Stormproof titles to @Joy_Division and his brilliant guide (I'm one of those players).

I'm the living proof you can do what you say you can't do and what Joy_Division says he did (and I'm sure he did do it).
Unclear?

Try this (this is my own personal way of farming vMA. It's long, but as a born tank - I love it):

Mighty Chudan heavy x2
Dreugh King Slayer jewelry + 2 armor pieces
7th legion 3 armor pieces + 2W + 1S&B

Skills (stam DK)
blood craze, flurry, venomous claw, flames of oblivion, deadly cloak - LEAP
igneous shield, vigor, shielded assault, noxious breath, rearming trap - SPELL WALL

I'm ORC, mundus is warrior, I'm one death away from Flawless.

With that "build" (it's funky, I know, LOL), you're on major expedition all the time, you don't need to buff anything, you're almost at resist caps, the amount of damage you take is so funny.

Hope that helps

FakeFox

charley222 wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

Heavy armor is completely viable for vMSA, the only real issue is that you are logically slower, however I would say it's far easier as mistakes don't kill you.In my opinion it's rather balanced between builds, as those with the most potential (stamina) are also the hardest to play.

my friend stop the bla bla

bring something on the table waiting your video

np drop your bow and show me this waiting to see your video

np prove it , make a video
1- dont use VMA weapon to make like a first first attempt
2- because is melee drop your bow
3- np use your 7 ipeace heavy and dont use costume

i bet i will dont see this video very soon lol
is easy to talk but to deliver is a bit harder
have a good time peace

lol, there are tons of videos on youtube, so I don't see why I should do one. But whatever, to your points:

1. So we are talking about first clear now for whatever reason? Ok.
2. That point makes absolutely no sense as every viable melee DD has a bow on backbar anyways.
3. Why should heavy armor mean 7 pieces and not 5?

Nice try setting unreasonable conditions trying to prove your point.

FakeFox

FakeFox wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

Heavy armor is completely viable for vMSA, the only real issue is that you are logically slower, however I would say it's far easier as mistakes don't kill you.In my opinion it's rather balanced between builds, as those with the most potential (stamina) are also the hardest to play.

my friend stop the bla bla

bring something on the table waiting your video

np drop your bow and show me this waiting to see your video

np prove it , make a video
1- dont use VMA weapon to make like a first first attempt
2- because is melee drop your bow
3- np use your 7 ipeace heavy and dont use costume

i bet i will dont see this video very soon lol
is easy to talk but to deliver is a bit harder
have a good time peace

lol, there are tons of videos on youtube, so I don't see why I should do one. But whatever, to your points:

1. So we are talking about first clear now for whatever reason? Ok.
2. That point makes absolutely no sense as every viable melee DD has a bow on backbar anyways.
3. Why should heavy armor mean 7 pieces and not 5?

Nice try setting unreasonable conditions trying to prove your point.

Edit: I think I will take your "challenge" anyways, sounds fun. Need to make a new build though and it will probably be Magicka, but whatever I never talked about I having to be Stamina anyways.

charley222

FakeFox wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

Heavy armor is completely viable for vMSA, the only real issue is that you are logically slower, however I would say it's far easier as mistakes don't kill you.In my opinion it's rather balanced between builds, as those with the most potential (stamina) are also the hardest to play.

my friend stop the bla bla

bring something on the table waiting your video

np drop your bow and show me this waiting to see your video

np prove it , make a video
1- dont use VMA weapon to make like a first first attempt
2- because is melee drop your bow
3- np use your 7 ipeace heavy and dont use costume

i bet i will dont see this video very soon lol
is easy to talk but to deliver is a bit harder
have a good time peace

lol, there are tons of videos on youtube, so I don't see why I should do one. But whatever, to your points:

1. So we are talking about first clear now for whatever reason? Ok.
2. That point makes absolutely no sense as every viable melee DD has a bow on backbar anyways.
3. Why should heavy armor mean 7 pieces and not 5?

Nice try setting unreasonable conditions trying to prove your point.

1- yes all this video they use VMA weapon
2- they use most of the time bow so is not melee anymore
3-and the few video 2 or 3 are outdate no more Shuffle for heavy ect ...

plz stop the bla bla because you show us anything about what you are able to do in the game
if you have nothing to bring on the table stay quite show us in your video or stop the blabla , peace

charley222

Arthg wrote: »

Hey OP

I don't think it's a stretch to say that many a player owe their Stormproof titles to @Joy_Division and his brilliant guide (I'm one of those players).

I'm the living proof you can do what you say you can't do and what Joy_Division says he did (and I'm sure he did do it).
Unclear?

Try this (this is my own personal way of farming vMA. It's long, but as a born tank - I love it):

Mighty Chudan heavy x2
Dreugh King Slayer jewelry + 2 armor pieces
7th legion 3 armor pieces + 2W + 1S&B

Skills (stam DK)
blood craze, flurry, venomous claw, flames of oblivion, deadly cloak - LEAP
igneous shield, vigor, shielded assault, noxious breath, rearming trap - SPELL WALL

I'm ORC, mundus is warrior, I'm one death away from Flawless.

With that "build" (it's funky, I know, LOL), you're on major expedition all the time, you don't need to buff anything, you're almost at resist caps, the amount of damage you take is so funny.

Hope that helps

i understand the build and is nice for a most all the run but this will not fix my issue for the
final boss , this last Daedra's burn me alive , your next run make some video and show us this ,

charley222

FakeFox wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

Heavy armor is completely viable for vMSA, the only real issue is that you are logically slower, however I would say it's far easier as mistakes don't kill you.In my opinion it's rather balanced between builds, as those with the most potential (stamina) are also the hardest to play.

my friend stop the bla bla

bring something on the table waiting your video

np drop your bow and show me this waiting to see your video

np prove it , make a video
1- dont use VMA weapon to make like a first first attempt
2- because is melee drop your bow
3- np use your 7 ipeace heavy and dont use costume

i bet i will dont see this video very soon lol
is easy to talk but to deliver is a bit harder
have a good time peace

lol, there are tons of videos on youtube, so I don't see why I should do one. But whatever, to your points:

1. So we are talking about first clear now for whatever reason? Ok.
2. That point makes absolutely no sense as every viable melee DD has a bow on backbar anyways.
3. Why should heavy armor mean 7 pieces and not 5?

Nice try setting unreasonable conditions trying to prove your point.

Edit: I think I will take your "challenge" anyways, sounds fun. Need to make a new build though and it will probably be Magicka, but whatever I never talked about I having to be Stamina anyways.

STAMINA STAMINA STAMIAN YOU NEED TO BE STAMINA YOU ALREADY BACK UP LOL i will pay for your cp and skill np
1- i`m in my first attempt so you are suppose to show me how to get something right ? so this dont make sense you start the arena using the end reward mean the vma weapon
2- everyone on this forum say stamina melee are variable same of caster and range np time to show it if you use bow you are not melee anymore in my book but a wanabe melee because your true power is your bow in emergency
3- also everyone say the same crap about heavy armor , oh OO why you want to remove your heavy missing already something ??? guess what now every complaining heavy is to op , you dont start the arena and want to remove 2 piece already lol
btw dont use costume to cover your swap gear

Destruent

charley222 wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

Heavy armor is completely viable for vMSA, the only real issue is that you are logically slower, however I would say it's far easier as mistakes don't kill you.In my opinion it's rather balanced between builds, as those with the most potential (stamina) are also the hardest to play.

my friend stop the bla bla

bring something on the table waiting your video

np drop your bow and show me this waiting to see your video

np prove it , make a video
1- dont use VMA weapon to make like a first first attempt
2- because is melee drop your bow
3- np use your 7 ipeace heavy and dont use costume

i bet i will dont see this video very soon lol
is easy to talk but to deliver is a bit harder
have a good time peace

lol, there are tons of videos on youtube, so I don't see why I should do one. But whatever, to your points:

1. So we are talking about first clear now for whatever reason? Ok.
2. That point makes absolutely no sense as every viable melee DD has a bow on backbar anyways.
3. Why should heavy armor mean 7 pieces and not 5?

Nice try setting unreasonable conditions trying to prove your point.

Edit: I think I will take your "challenge" anyways, sounds fun. Need to make a new build though and it will probably be Magicka, but whatever I never talked about I having to be Stamina anyways.

1- i`m in my first attempt so you are suppose to show me how to get something right ? so this dont make sense you start the arena using the end reward mean the vma weapon
2- everyone on this forum say stamina melee are variable same of caster and range np time to show it
3- also everyone say the same crap about heavy armor , oh OO why you want to remove your heavy missing already something ??? guess what now every complaining heavy is to op , you dont start the arena and want to remove 2 piece already lol
btw dont use costume to cover your swap gear and good luck

You know with 5/1/1 you can use the undaunted passive for more ressources?

And asking for someone to not use bow-backbar on stamina is one of the biggest crap i've read on this forum, why should anyone not use 2 of the strongest stamina-DoTs if he wants to clear vMSA (especially when it should be the first clear).

You are always talking about, that melee meens only melee-skills, but it's crap...the spammable is mostly melee-range for stam-characters and so they have to go melee if they face enemys with higher HP. Small mobs will die with one poison injection (or even heavy->rending if you want melee).

The arena does not really favor range as much as you think, it just favors flexibility and knowledge about spawns and positioning and mechanics...
If you have those things, you will clear vMSA, if not...good luck...

charley222

Destruent wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

Heavy armor is completely viable for vMSA, the only real issue is that you are logically slower, however I would say it's far easier as mistakes don't kill you.In my opinion it's rather balanced between builds, as those with the most potential (stamina) are also the hardest to play.

my friend stop the bla bla

bring something on the table waiting your video

np drop your bow and show me this waiting to see your video

np prove it , make a video
1- dont use VMA weapon to make like a first first attempt
2- because is melee drop your bow
3- np use your 7 ipeace heavy and dont use costume

i bet i will dont see this video very soon lol
is easy to talk but to deliver is a bit harder
have a good time peace

lol, there are tons of videos on youtube, so I don't see why I should do one. But whatever, to your points:

1. So we are talking about first clear now for whatever reason? Ok.
2. That point makes absolutely no sense as every viable melee DD has a bow on backbar anyways.
3. Why should heavy armor mean 7 pieces and not 5?

Nice try setting unreasonable conditions trying to prove your point.

Edit: I think I will take your "challenge" anyways, sounds fun. Need to make a new build though and it will probably be Magicka, but whatever I never talked about I having to be Stamina anyways.

1- i`m in my first attempt so you are suppose to show me how to get something right ? so this dont make sense you start the arena using the end reward mean the vma weapon
2- everyone on this forum say stamina melee are variable same of caster and range np time to show it
3- also everyone say the same crap about heavy armor , oh OO why you want to remove your heavy missing already something ??? guess what now every complaining heavy is to op , you dont start the arena and want to remove 2 piece already lol
btw dont use costume to cover your swap gear and good luck

You know with 5/1/1 you can use the undaunted passive for more ressources?

And asking for someone to not use bow-backbar on stamina is one of the biggest crap i've read on this forum, why should anyone not use 2 of the strongest stamina-DoTs if he wants to clear vMSA (especially when it should be the first clear).

You are always talking about, that melee meens only melee-skills, but it's crap...the spammable is mostly melee-range for stam-characters and so they have to go melee if they face enemys with higher HP. Small mobs will die with one poison injection (or even heavy->rending if you want melee).

The arena does not really favor range as much as you think, it just favors flexibility and knowledge about spawns and positioning and mechanics...
If you have those things, you will clear vMSA, if not...good luck...

do you think this make sense to be 1 melee heavy character and back up because your character fail and after using your bow ??? stamina melee character are garbage in this game and are some type of weak hybrid having weak class skill and poor stamina skill selection 2 stamina skill VS a total of 30 skill magicka skill , eso try to fix this give them bow but the core of the stamina melee is weak , this is what i expose here , melee are weak this is why you crying for your bow , and your bow is not melee but range
this game look good and are fun but the combat core lack so much for stamina melee , what ???animation $$$ cost to much for melee ?? is more easy and $$ cheap to desing spell

Arthg

charley222 wrote: »

Arthg wrote: »

Hey OP

I don't think it's a stretch to say that many a player owe their Stormproof titles to @Joy_Division and his brilliant guide (I'm one of those players).

I'm the living proof you can do what you say you can't do and what Joy_Division says he did (and I'm sure he did do it).
Unclear?

Try this (this is my own personal way of farming vMA. It's long, but as a born tank - I love it):

Mighty Chudan heavy x2
Dreugh King Slayer jewelry + 2 armor pieces
7th legion 3 armor pieces + 2W + 1S&B

Skills (stam DK)
blood craze, flurry, venomous claw, flames of oblivion, deadly cloak - LEAP
igneous shield, vigor, shielded assault, noxious breath, rearming trap - SPELL WALL

I'm ORC, mundus is warrior, I'm one death away from Flawless.

With that "build" (it's funky, I know, LOL), you're on major expedition all the time, you don't need to buff anything, you're almost at resist caps, the amount of damage you take is so funny.

Hope that helps

i understand the build and is nice for a most all the run but this will not fix my issue for the
final boss , this last Daedra's burn me alive , your next run make some video and show us this ,

Next run I'll take a vid' and show you.
I do see your point - pure stam melee builds are non existent for vMA.
As you said, there's always a bow involved...

[EDIT] Wait, there's @DeHei's build, S&B and 2H - the 2hander is a VMA weapon, though, but I'm sure it'd work with a 7th 2her.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/354379/vmsa-with-tank-dk-easy-mode#latest

Destruent

charley222 wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

Heavy armor is completely viable for vMSA, the only real issue is that you are logically slower, however I would say it's far easier as mistakes don't kill you.In my opinion it's rather balanced between builds, as those with the most potential (stamina) are also the hardest to play.

my friend stop the bla bla

bring something on the table waiting your video

np drop your bow and show me this waiting to see your video

np prove it , make a video
1- dont use VMA weapon to make like a first first attempt
2- because is melee drop your bow
3- np use your 7 ipeace heavy and dont use costume

i bet i will dont see this video very soon lol
is easy to talk but to deliver is a bit harder
have a good time peace

lol, there are tons of videos on youtube, so I don't see why I should do one. But whatever, to your points:

1. So we are talking about first clear now for whatever reason? Ok.
2. That point makes absolutely no sense as every viable melee DD has a bow on backbar anyways.
3. Why should heavy armor mean 7 pieces and not 5?

Nice try setting unreasonable conditions trying to prove your point.

Edit: I think I will take your "challenge" anyways, sounds fun. Need to make a new build though and it will probably be Magicka, but whatever I never talked about I having to be Stamina anyways.

1- i`m in my first attempt so you are suppose to show me how to get something right ? so this dont make sense you start the arena using the end reward mean the vma weapon
2- everyone on this forum say stamina melee are variable same of caster and range np time to show it
3- also everyone say the same crap about heavy armor , oh OO why you want to remove your heavy missing already something ??? guess what now every complaining heavy is to op , you dont start the arena and want to remove 2 piece already lol
btw dont use costume to cover your swap gear and good luck

You know with 5/1/1 you can use the undaunted passive for more ressources?

And asking for someone to not use bow-backbar on stamina is one of the biggest crap i've read on this forum, why should anyone not use 2 of the strongest stamina-DoTs if he wants to clear vMSA (especially when it should be the first clear).

You are always talking about, that melee meens only melee-skills, but it's crap...the spammable is mostly melee-range for stam-characters and so they have to go melee if they face enemys with higher HP. Small mobs will die with one poison injection (or even heavy->rending if you want melee).

The arena does not really favor range as much as you think, it just favors flexibility and knowledge about spawns and positioning and mechanics...
If you have those things, you will clear vMSA, if not...good luck...

do you think this make sense to be 1 melee heavy character and back up because your character fail and after using your bow ??? stamina melee character are garbage in this game and are some type of weak hybrid having weak class skill and poor stamina skill selection 2 stamina skill VS a total of 30 skill magicka skill , eso try to fix this give them bow but the core of the stamina melee is weak , this is what i expose here , melee are weak this is why you crying for your bow , and your bow is not melee but range
this game look good and are fun but the combat core lack so much for stamina melee , what animation $$$ cost to much for melee ?? is more easy and $$ cheap to desing spell

Pure melee are weaker than a combination of melee-mainbar and bow-backbar...noone is denying that. But it's entirely possible to beat it on a pure melee-build or anything. It just requires you to know the arena...
You can even do vMSA on a high-HP-Tankbuild if you want to...
There will always be a top-choice of weapons, if you buff pure-melee-builds, those who like dw/bow will be weaker and will complain. Will it change something for you? yes. Will it change the game in general? No, it will just make it a bit different and some other guys will complain.

charley222

Arthg wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

Arthg wrote: »

Hey OP

I don't think it's a stretch to say that many a player owe their Stormproof titles to @Joy_Division and his brilliant guide (I'm one of those players).

I'm the living proof you can do what you say you can't do and what Joy_Division says he did (and I'm sure he did do it).
Unclear?

Try this (this is my own personal way of farming vMA. It's long, but as a born tank - I love it):

Mighty Chudan heavy x2
Dreugh King Slayer jewelry + 2 armor pieces
7th legion 3 armor pieces + 2W + 1S&B

Skills (stam DK)
blood craze, flurry, venomous claw, flames of oblivion, deadly cloak - LEAP
igneous shield, vigor, shielded assault, noxious breath, rearming trap - SPELL WALL

I'm ORC, mundus is warrior, I'm one death away from Flawless.

With that "build" (it's funky, I know, LOL), you're on major expedition all the time, you don't need to buff anything, you're almost at resist caps, the amount of damage you take is so funny.

Hope that helps

i understand the build and is nice for a most all the run but this will not fix my issue for the
final boss , this last Daedra's burn me alive , your next run make some video and show us this ,

Next run I'll take a vid' and show you.
I do see your point - pure stam melee builds are non existent for vMA.
As you said, there's always a bow involved...

thx for the video
most here try to say melee are variable and in my opinion is total bs because they are always end hybrid , if the pure stam melee builds are non existent for vMA is because is very hard to play and because the core weak and lack cluster ,
all respect for your honesty peace

charley222

Destruent wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

Heavy armor is completely viable for vMSA, the only real issue is that you are logically slower, however I would say it's far easier as mistakes don't kill you.In my opinion it's rather balanced between builds, as those with the most potential (stamina) are also the hardest to play.

my friend stop the bla bla

bring something on the table waiting your video

np drop your bow and show me this waiting to see your video

np prove it , make a video
1- dont use VMA weapon to make like a first first attempt
2- because is melee drop your bow
3- np use your 7 ipeace heavy and dont use costume

i bet i will dont see this video very soon lol
is easy to talk but to deliver is a bit harder
have a good time peace

lol, there are tons of videos on youtube, so I don't see why I should do one. But whatever, to your points:

1. So we are talking about first clear now for whatever reason? Ok.
2. That point makes absolutely no sense as every viable melee DD has a bow on backbar anyways.
3. Why should heavy armor mean 7 pieces and not 5?

Nice try setting unreasonable conditions trying to prove your point.

Edit: I think I will take your "challenge" anyways, sounds fun. Need to make a new build though and it will probably be Magicka, but whatever I never talked about I having to be Stamina anyways.

1- i`m in my first attempt so you are suppose to show me how to get something right ? so this dont make sense you start the arena using the end reward mean the vma weapon
2- everyone on this forum say stamina melee are variable same of caster and range np time to show it
3- also everyone say the same crap about heavy armor , oh OO why you want to remove your heavy missing already something ??? guess what now every complaining heavy is to op , you dont start the arena and want to remove 2 piece already lol
btw dont use costume to cover your swap gear and good luck

You know with 5/1/1 you can use the undaunted passive for more ressources?

And asking for someone to not use bow-backbar on stamina is one of the biggest crap i've read on this forum, why should anyone not use 2 of the strongest stamina-DoTs if he wants to clear vMSA (especially when it should be the first clear).

You are always talking about, that melee meens only melee-skills, but it's crap...the spammable is mostly melee-range for stam-characters and so they have to go melee if they face enemys with higher HP. Small mobs will die with one poison injection (or even heavy->rending if you want melee).

The arena does not really favor range as much as you think, it just favors flexibility and knowledge about spawns and positioning and mechanics...
If you have those things, you will clear vMSA, if not...good luck...

do you think this make sense to be 1 melee heavy character and back up because your character fail and after using your bow ??? stamina melee character are garbage in this game and are some type of weak hybrid having weak class skill and poor stamina skill selection 2 stamina skill VS a total of 30 skill magicka skill , eso try to fix this give them bow but the core of the stamina melee is weak , this is what i expose here , melee are weak this is why you crying for your bow , and your bow is not melee but range
this game look good and are fun but the combat core lack so much for stamina melee , what animation $$$ cost to much for melee ?? is more easy and $$ cheap to desing spell

Pure melee are weaker than a combination of melee-mainbar and bow-backbar...noone is denying that. But it's entirely possible to beat it on a pure melee-build or anything. It just requires you to know the arena...
You can even do vMSA on a high-HP-Tankbuild if you want to...
There will always be a top-choice of weapons, if you buff pure-melee-builds, those who like dw/bow will be weaker and will complain. Will it change something for you? yes. Will it change the game in general? No, it will just make it a bit different and some other guys will complain.

this just show how the core of this game start on the wrong foot

first you build the 3 strong basic archetype the melee range and caster dam this is the basic from 1980
now you have some basic or classic archetype are just broken and look incomplete and have some people working for the last 3 or 4 year look to dont have the skill or competence to fix the issue from the base so they just patch on surface it some hybrid build , is sad because this game have so much potencial i love the game overall some people really make some great work , but the combat and balance departement really struggle in my opinion , have a good day peace

Qbiken

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxSYkIsW4S4
Here is a video of a 2h+DW run.

Diclaimer, he is using a vMA weapon on his backbar, but the only reason is because of the extra weapon damage it gave you. And the DoT from critrush was mediocre when this video was made. And I can guarantee that the setup is viable today as well, even with a random 2hander


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdPhD34lVVg
Pure tanksetup with blazing shield.

No one is denying it´s harder as a tankcharacter, but vMA is not designed that way. But the most of your arguments/comments are pure "l2p-issues".

And just because it´s a bow involved doesn´t make it a hybrid/range build.....
I consider my magDK a melee build, even tho I use 2x lightning staffs on my character (heavy attack build). And if I get my recording program to work I can record a video of a "pure" melee (by your defenition) run without any vMA weapons. (and with a decent score as well)

charley222

Qbiken wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxSYkIsW4S4
Here is a video of a 2h+DW run.

Diclaimer, he is using a vMA weapon on his backbar, but the only reason is because of the extra weapon damage it gave you. And the DoT from critrush was mediocre when this video was made. And I can guarantee that the setup is viable today as well, even with a random 2hander


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdPhD34lV

Vg
Pure tanksetup with blazing shield.

No one is denying it´s harder as a tankcharacter, but vMA is not designed that way. But the most of your arguments/comments are pure "l2p-issues".

And just because it´s a bow involved doesn´t make it a hybrid/range build.....
I consider my magDK a melee build, even tho I use 2x lightning staffs on my character (heavy attack build). And if I get my recording program to work I can record a video of a "pure" melee (by your defenition) run without any vMA weapons. (and with a decent score as well)

video say easy mode ? he using vma weapon
other is the broken blazing shield everything is patch and blazing shield is magicka

Destruent

charley222 wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxSYkIsW4S4
Here is a video of a 2h+DW run.

Diclaimer, he is using a vMA weapon on his backbar, but the only reason is because of the extra weapon damage it gave you. And the DoT from critrush was mediocre when this video was made. And I can guarantee that the setup is viable today as well, even with a random 2hander


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdPhD34lV

Vg
Pure tanksetup with blazing shield.

No one is denying it´s harder as a tankcharacter, but vMA is not designed that way. But the most of your arguments/comments are pure "l2p-issues".

And just because it´s a bow involved doesn´t make it a hybrid/range build.....
I consider my magDK a melee build, even tho I use 2x lightning staffs on my character (heavy attack build). And if I get my recording program to work I can record a video of a "pure" melee (by your defenition) run without any vMA weapons. (and with a decent score as well)

video say easy mode ? he using vma weapon
other is the broken blazing shield everything is patch and blazing shield is magicka

Other question: What about you recording a video how you struggle with your build? I'm pretty sure, people will help you get better...
But sure, telling everyone they are doing it the wrong way and not how you want it is a lot easier.

"l2p-issues".

is imo the best summary atm...

Qbiken

charley222 wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxSYkIsW4S4
Here is a video of a 2h+DW run.

Diclaimer, he is using a vMA weapon on his backbar, but the only reason is because of the extra weapon damage it gave you. And the DoT from critrush was mediocre when this video was made. And I can guarantee that the setup is viable today as well, even with a random 2hander


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdPhD34lV

Vg
Pure tanksetup with blazing shield.

No one is denying it´s harder as a tankcharacter, but vMA is not designed that way. But the most of your arguments/comments are pure "l2p-issues".

And just because it´s a bow involved doesn´t make it a hybrid/range build.....
I consider my magDK a melee build, even tho I use 2x lightning staffs on my character (heavy attack build). And if I get my recording program to work I can record a video of a "pure" melee (by your defenition) run without any vMA weapons. (and with a decent score as well)

video say easy mode ? he using vma weapon
other is the broken blazing shield everything is patch and blazing shield is magicka

DeHei´s build is a strong with a vMA weapon(2hander) as without. Stop looking for flaws that doesn´t exists. If you spend half amount practicing vMA as complaining about the design of vMA, you would´ve had flawless runs by now...

charley222

Destruent wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxSYkIsW4S4
Here is a video of a 2h+DW run.

Diclaimer, he is using a vMA weapon on his backbar, but the only reason is because of the extra weapon damage it gave you. And the DoT from critrush was mediocre when this video was made. And I can guarantee that the setup is viable today as well, even with a random 2hander


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdPhD34lV

Vg
Pure tanksetup with blazing shield.

No one is denying it´s harder as a tankcharacter, but vMA is not designed that way. But the most of your arguments/comments are pure "l2p-issues".

And just because it´s a bow involved doesn´t make it a hybrid/range build.....
I consider my magDK a melee build, even tho I use 2x lightning staffs on my character (heavy attack build). And if I get my recording program to work I can record a video of a "pure" melee (by your defenition) run without any vMA weapons. (and with a decent score as well)

video say easy mode ? he using vma weapon
other is the broken blazing shield everything is patch and blazing shield is magicka

Other question: What about you recording a video how you struggle with your build? I'm pretty sure, people will help you get better...
But sure, telling everyone they are doing it the wrong way and not how you want it is a lot easier.

"l2p-issues".

is imo the best summary atm...

look man anyone force you to read and come here and anyone hold you here , you have nothing to put on the table stay quite , why i dont make video right now is because i a most dont sleep the last 3 day , and dont feel to grind the final boss again right now after using over 70k gold ,so i need a break to fil up some energie , so today i will play 2 or 3 hour crafting stuff to help the low level to grow but sure later i will make some video np but no need to come here and b??h

charley222

Qbiken wrote: »

charley222 wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxSYkIsW4S4
Here is a video of a 2h+DW run.

Diclaimer, he is using a vMA weapon on his backbar, but the only reason is because of the extra weapon damage it gave you. And the DoT from critrush was mediocre when this video was made. And I can guarantee that the setup is viable today as well, even with a random 2hander


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdPhD34lV

Vg
Pure tanksetup with blazing shield.

No one is denying it´s harder as a tankcharacter, but vMA is not designed that way. But the most of your arguments/comments are pure "l2p-issues".

And just because it´s a bow involved doesn´t make it a hybrid/range build.....
I consider my magDK a melee build, even tho I use 2x lightning staffs on my character (heavy attack build). And if I get my recording program to work I can record a video of a "pure" melee (by your defenition) run without any vMA weapons. (and with a decent score as well)

video say easy mode ? he using vma weapon
other is the broken blazing shield everything is patch and blazing shield is magicka

DeHei´s build is a strong with a vMA weapon(2hander) as without. Stop looking for flaws that doesn´t exists. If you spend half amount practicing vMA as complaining about the design of vMA, you would´ve had flawless runs by now...

my dk dont have blazing shield have a nice day kid you fail you know is not good