Lowkey kinda scared they'll nerf Wardens.

FrostFallFox

It has started with our trees (tbh they were OP), what's next?! Our birds, beetles?! If that happens they better buff the pretty animations, those are my favorite.

SydneyGrey

They already did, as you said. First they wanted wardens to be healers, now they don't, I guess, which leaves wardens to be mediocre in everything else.

Thogard

SydneyGrey wrote: »

They already did, as you said. First they wanted wardens to be healers, now they don't, I guess, which leaves wardens to be mediocre in everything else.

Being mediocre in everything is actually pretty OP in PvP

NyassaV

It's hard to justify buffing a class that dominates Cyrodiil. However it's hard to nerf something that preforms so poorly in PvE

zaria

Hollery wrote: »

It's hard to justify buffing a class that dominates Cyrodiil. However it's hard to nerf something that preforms so poorly in PvE

Making the birds dodgeable would be an pvp only nerf.

Lexxypwns

Stam warden is currently perfectly balanced

FrostFallFox

They Finna nerf my shalks, they're way to beautiful to not be dangerous.

Wing

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Stam warden is currently perfectly balanced

assures you every stamina warden player ever

Sixty5

I'd like to see them change beetles to cut down on how obnoxious they are in PVP.

My current suggestion would be, Deal 60% of the current damage up front, and the same again over 5 seconds.

You give the skill a 20% overall damage buff to help them out in PVE, along with making beetles fit better in a rotation, and at the same time you nerf the skills up front burst by 40%, and create a net damage loss if you are simply spamming it every 3 seconds.

TequilaFire

Same old song and dance if it kills me nerf it.

firedrgn

Warden is like the bow skill line. Can't buff for pve so its even close to other weapon line. This is because a buff in pve seems to be op in PvP.

Betsararie

They're OP. They should be on the chopping block for nerfs more than any other class.

They're OP in pretty much as many ways as possible.

CaffeinatedMayhem

Blanco wrote: »

They're OP. They should be on the chopping block for nerfs more than any other class.

They're OP in pretty much as many ways as possible.

Only in PvP. Wardens aren't even allowed in many trials groups: not enough DPS, not a good enough tank, not a good enough healer.

Betsararie

thatlaurachick wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

They're OP. They should be on the chopping block for nerfs more than any other class.

They're OP in pretty much as many ways as possible.

Only in PvP. Wardens aren't even allowed in many trials groups: not enough DPS, not a good enough tank, not a good enough healer.

Well, yeah. Only in PvP.

PvP balance matters more.

TequilaFire

LOL PvP Balance.
Start with balancing population and alliance hopping, not classes.

lynog85

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Stam warden is currently perfectly balanced

What? Lay off the glue.

MLGProPlayer

Blanco wrote: »

thatlaurachick wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

They're OP. They should be on the chopping block for nerfs more than any other class.

They're OP in pretty much as many ways as possible.

Only in PvP. Wardens aren't even allowed in many trials groups: not enough DPS, not a good enough tank, not a good enough healer.

Well, yeah. Only in PvP.

PvP balance matters more.

No it doesn't. The majority of the player base is in PvE. PvP in this game also doesn't have a competitive scene, meaning balance isn't a priority.

This discussion is irrelevant though as both modes can be balanced simultaneously. Wardens are OP in PvP because of their burst damage. Burst damage is useless in PvE, where they are UP due to their lack of DoTs (which are useless in PvP). It's not hard to figure out that nerfing burst and buffing DoTs will make warden balanced in both modes.

Betsararie

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

And yet in PvE:

Magicka warden = worst DPS class

Blanco wrote: »

thatlaurachick wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

They're OP. They should be on the chopping block for nerfs more than any other class.

They're OP in pretty much as many ways as possible.

Only in PvP. Wardens aren't even allowed in many trials groups: not enough DPS, not a good enough tank, not a good enough healer.

Well, yeah. Only in PvP.

PvP balance matters more.

No it doesn't. The majority of the player base is in PvE. PvP in this game also doesn't have a competitive scene, meaning balance isn't a priority.

This discussion is irrelevant though as both modes can be balanced simultaneously. Wardens are OP in PvP because of their burst damage. Burst damage is useless in PvE, where they are UP due to their lack of DoTs (which are useless in PvP). It's not hard to figure out that nerfing burst and buffing DoTs will make warden balanced in both modes.

The reason balance in PvE comes second is you always should only be running whatever class is BiS in PvE. From what I gather Warden is never BiS, so you just don't use it in PvE if you're concerned with optimization. Roll a stam dk

In PvP a lot of people use Warden, the class was clearly made with PvP in mind, and since there is more variety in PvP and it takes more skill, balance matters more there.

In PvE one class will always be best at the different roles, so there will always be people crying that the other classes are underperforming, when really they just shouldn't be using those classes. Just like if Warden was now BiS for dps hypothetically, people would be crying magplar is underperforming or some such. Balance matters a lot more in PvP where BiS is a lot less defined and there are infinitely more playstyles.

Taleof2Cities

Hollery wrote: »

It's hard to justify buffing a class that dominates Cyrodiil. However it's hard to nerf something that preforms so poorly in PvE

Wardens do fine in the vast majority of PvE content as healers and tanks ... that's 2 out of 3 major roles.

ArchMikem

Blanco wrote: »

thatlaurachick wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

They're OP. They should be on the chopping block for nerfs more than any other class.

They're OP in pretty much as many ways as possible.

Only in PvP. Wardens aren't even allowed in many trials groups: not enough DPS, not a good enough tank, not a good enough healer.

Well, yeah. Only in PvP.

PvP balance matters more.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA *deep breath* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Morgul667

The tree was way to OP and I play a warden

Now they need to find a way to boost the warden PVE wise and we'll be fine

Loralai_907

Seriously. Every class goes through several changes a year. Warden may have been the golden child for a minute, but I have no doubt they will up the changes as time goes on. Just like the rest of the classes. Can't sell the new class hype if you start messing with it on day one. And the rest of us can't get too comfortable with "what works" or we have nothing to chase (gear for the new thing that is best to do for example). Everything is a game of chase, just depends on how you like to play in terms of what you are chasing.

anathosdm

Guys.... stop with this "nerf everything that can kill me".
Warden burst is so easy to see and avoid. SA alone won t kill you ( if it hits you with more than 6k dmg you need to think about your buil ). Curse is far more powerful. The only thing that could deserve an ajustement is the tankiness of some MagWarden ( SnB/frost staff with shimmering and harness shields+ dmg with permafrost ).
Wardens have a good group utility, wich is a good thing in pvp but templars are still more powerful for the healer role.
Just look at the number of wardens in cyro or BG, then look at the number of them who are playing stam, and those who aren t a tank but a true DD : less than 5 in pc eu.
So, no stamden isn t OP. Magwarden are a bit powerful but this is again a shields issue

TheUndeadAmulet

Wardens are mediocre in everything, that's what makes them op in PvP but beat out by other classes in every role in PvE.

ZoS will either accidently buff their PvP while trying to buff PvE or accidentally nerf PvE when trying to nerf PvP.

Chilly-McFreeze

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Hollery wrote: »

It's hard to justify buffing a class that dominates Cyrodiil. However it's hard to nerf something that preforms so poorly in PvE

Wardens do fine in the vast majority of PvE content as healers and tanks ... that's 2 out of 3 major roles.

But..but.. everything must perform at the exact same level for every possible role so it doesn't matter which class or resource you pick!

/S

Altaire

How didn't you not see this 'incoming'
Sweet ride till it ended, but still doable w/ skill...

AAbrigo

Just saying..

Dizzying, sub assault, dawnbreaker, executioner = rip

Not a l2p issue, it is a crazy burst which kill everything other than tanks.

No wonder 50% of cyrodiil har crazy tanks.

And yes I have died to that combo alot and are salty af

Vapirko

Blanco wrote: »

They're OP. They should be on the chopping block for nerfs more than any other class.

They're OP in pretty much as many ways as possible.

Lol. Says the guy that definiently defends every suggested sorc nerf. Same same bro.

Jade1986

zaria wrote: »

Hollery wrote: »

It's hard to justify buffing a class that dominates Cyrodiil. However it's hard to nerf something that preforms so poorly in PvE

Making the birds dodgeable would be an pvp only nerf.

Would make them absolutely uselss tbh.

Jade1986

ArchMikem wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

thatlaurachick wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

They're OP. They should be on the chopping block for nerfs more than any other class.

They're OP in pretty much as many ways as possible.

Only in PvP. Wardens aren't even allowed in many trials groups: not enough DPS, not a good enough tank, not a good enough healer.

Well, yeah. Only in PvP.

PvP balance matters more.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA *deep breath* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Its true, pvp balance does matter more. When was the last tme you had a static boss complain about player x being 5 % weaker or stronger than the other players? They dont. In pvp though that 5% is very very noticeable.

Izaki

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Stam warden is currently perfectly balanced

Oh the irony can be seen from miles away!