Completely and Utterly UNDERWHELMED by Transmutation Crystals Drops

templesus

This is why PvPers can’t have nice things. The minute I repeat the MINUTE that Non-PvPers fee like PvP has something they want they go to the forums and cry about it. This is why Imperial City is dead.

Joosef_Kivikilpi

soll wrote: »

Solypsys wrote: »

What did you expect, to have full BIS traits on all your gear after 1 hour? The transmutation system is meant to serve as a backup, it's still worthwhile to farm the content for the gear you want just now after ~30 runs you have a failsafe.

yea, that's exactly what people wants from MMO, lol! all BIS in few runs.

I ended up getting on my first ever Vet Trial all Gold Infallible Aether Jewelry and armor. I love Trials now, even without having to go there now for anything. haha

nimander99

exeeter702 wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Loc2262 wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

I'm intensely frustrated that, as a crafter, I don't do any of the things that earn me these transmute stones... Coming soon to Crown Store, Transmute Stones. Bet ya anything.

As a crafter, what do you need transmute crystals for anyway? You need good traits only for combat gear. And once you transmute an item, it's bound to your account anyway. So I don't see why you'd need to transmute anything as a pure crafter.

Well I play the game my way, which means I enjoy it in a more single player aspect. I run all single player content and repeatable guild quests... I'm not just crafting all day long. Its what I do to support people in my guild. I like running around the world and tackling stuff I can tackle.

I'm sorry I don't meet your criteria for a proper ESO player... But I have gear I have crafted that I would love to re-trait. Excuse me for desiring a single player way of earning these "transmute stones"...

Sorry but i will say this with as much respect as possible. You dont have a stake in the discussion as it seems you have a complete misunderstanding of the intention of the system and for whom it was implemented for.

Nothing in regards to crafting or solo play necessitates the need for such optimized gear in the form of retraiting. Wether or not you feel that is relevant doesnt matter, its the simple truth of it. You can play how you want, it has nothing to do with criteria for being am "eso player". Player power in the form of best in slot gear is not just some self placed badge of honor or achievement, it is a very real very measurable gauge of player progression to alleviate the difficulty in pinnacle of end game challenges. Even the most demanding solo challenge in the game, veteran maelstrom arena, does not really ask much from players in the form of optimised gear at this point in the game.

You are talking in circles when you say you want to retrait gear you have crafted and feel entitled to that option. Any actual dedicated crafter would easily have the necessary resources to simply recraft said gear in your desired trait. Frankly speaking, using transmutation crystals on CRAFTED gear is an offensively gross waste of the currency, and no player who is in a position to actually benefit from perfect trait gear would be foolish enough to waste the crystals in such a way.

The currency is not for you as long as you insist on playing within your chosen bubble in the game. And there is 100 percent absolutely nothing wrong with that fact. When you do decide to participate in end game group activities, be grateful that you have a nice new system in place to help you out in getting that ideal drop that soo many of us over the last few years have not had the same opportunity of.

Now excuse me while i go queue up for COA for the 300th time.

You tried... And failed.

Do I have the mats to craft new sets? Yes. I apologize if I'm not a part of your ELITE gamer's. It is not at all entitled of me to expect a way to earn these playing normally the way I play, as with every other system in this game when it comes to crafting. So that was a fantastic waste of words.

Just because I don't do very much PVP and Dungeons doesn't mean I don't want to make my character as good as possible.

I have essentially, by the way I play, been cut off from a system I could have fun with.

Every move ZoS has made thus far has been fairly inclusive... With the exception of this system.

Was I wrong to hope I would no longer have to spend extremely valuable mats to re trait when systems are changed?

You act like this discussion isn't for me because I'm not Super Meta like you... Dude... Just dude. Learn some tact. Its a valid complaint I have, and you sling mud at me and tell me this isn't for me, it's only for the best!

I beg to ******* differ.

nimander99

But, it seems like it doesn't really matter... With the number of geodes getting dropped its just as quick to craft a new set. I was hoping to use to change the monster set traits. That will never happen though. Not enough time to sink into two styles of play.

Mostly I farm and craft for my Guild.

Sometimes I PVP when the mood strike's

Sometimes I run a Dungeon or two.

Sad though. This could have been pretty cool. A way to re trait all the monster and boss gear I had been saving. What a waste.

Jamini

Just because I don't do very much PVP and Dungeons doesn't mean I don't want to make my character as good as possible.

Er...

You really do not need best in slot gear unless you are doing the hardest content. In fact, best in slot differs greatly depending on the content you are doing.

I have essentially, by the way I play, been cut off from a system I could have fun with.

Well yes, that system is intended to mesh with group content and PvP. If you don't participate in those activities, then you don't need this content.

Its a valid complaint I have

It's really not. You are asking to overkill your equipment far past the content you are doing. This change is primarily aimed at the hardcore crowd who do grind out vMA, PvP sets, or do vet trials on a regular basis. You are not the target audience here.

Mostly I farm and craft for my Guild.

Good for you. I do that too for my guilds too! It takes me very little time!

Sometimes I PVP when the mood strike's

You'll be given an acceptable amount of crystals for doing this content. A fairly high amount from reports.

Sometimes I run a Dungeon or two.

You'll be given an acceptable amount of crystals when you run a random or pledge. Over time you'll gain what is neccesary to re-trait specific items that have low drop rates.


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I personally am very happy with the transmute drop rates. I retraited a decisive VO dagger I had into sharpened (to go with my precise one), and next I'm going to retrait the thrice-cursed medium Kra'gh shoulder into a divines one. If I don't see a VO bracer drop from doing crag trials by the time I have 150 total crystals gained, I'll retrait my infused VO bracer to divines as well.

Heck, with the new Asylum raid I was able to get twenty crystals on drop night, and another twenty last night tanking normal crag trails with my social guild. It was fun and easy.

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Also, Retraiting is way easier than farming up gold tempers for heavy armor. Depending on how long it takes me, I'm probably going to retrait some of my gold non-infused/sturdy ebon into infused instead of golding out the infused body/pants that I've been holding onto forever waiting for tempers to upgrade.

Mojmir

*** off with claims of entitlement, we've run the content for months to get items, bis/nerfs change too often as it is.

Jamdarius

Sad truth: people wanted "ticket" way to change traits to what they want --> ZOS gave it to us --> ppl complain now more than ever. Where is the logic behind that?

Why don't you lazy bums start doing good old farming... in 3 days of doing only PvE content without any effort i got 10 crystals (1/5 of whats needed) meaning I will get my perfect divine trait on skoria shoulder in next 12 days or less (doubt I will be lucky from undaunted chest but who knows). I will add I tried to get divine shoulder for about 3-4 months time and now I will 100% get it within next 12 days... Whats there to complain about?

TequilaFire

So some people got lucky with geodes in PvP, just like some people get that special mount they wanted on the first crown crate. That is RNG, doesn't mean that the drop rate of either PvP or crown crates need nerfed. Of course the ones that got good drops are going to crow about it more than the ones that only got 1 crystal per geode in PvP are going to post about it.
And those that say it takes 5 minutes to get a ROTW in PvP are full of it, hell the loading screen lasts that long.

nimander99

Jamini wrote: »

Its a valid complaint I have


It's really not. You are asking to overkill your equipment far past the content you are doing. This change is primarily aimed at the hardcore crowd who do grind out vMA, PvP sets, or do vet trials on a regular basis. You are not the target audience here.

I would actually take a more aggressive role of play style if I could transmute gear I have already saved when I heard re-traiting was going to be coming.

I managed to stash away quite a bit of gear that would completely change my style of play as a group effective tank in higher tier content. That was my entire hope for the system... Re-traiting non craftable gear.

And if this is any indicator of what Transmogrification is going to be like, I am very skeptical.

You think I do not have a valid complaint, I'll accept that. I believe I do. We will just have to agree to disagree.

Honestly. I think (and now hope) they will come to the Crown Store or Crates at this point...

Insandros

ookami007 wrote: »

What's this 1 and 2 crystal garbage from vet dungeons and vet pledges? REALLY? Are you THAT sadistic ZoS? It's a rhetorical question, because the answers is blatantly obvious.

Perhaps now is a good time to take a respite from the ZoS insanity.

You should read on patch before they come out, you would have knowed it wasn't coming out so you get geared in one day, on my own opinion it wasn't even out so you culd buy a cheap armor set on traders with crap trait and retrait them so you can avoid a fortune, the goal i'm sure is more to change a trait on something hard as hell to find, like a weapon, monster shoulders or helmet, in otehr words, you don'T fracking need 200 of them, even though i got 25-26 gens in two days i'm really happy with the system. I know in 10 days i'll be able to respect a weapon (considering runing only 1 of my 6 toons, it's about sure 4-5 crystals per dy, that is, if i only loot one crystal per container, which gotta be really unlocky, since i always get at least 1-3 of them giving more than 1, i know a 10 day max is what i need, versus an undefined amount of hours spent ina dungeon trying to loot a specifi weapon and rait. To be honest if you are not pleased with that etc.. MMO are not for you. I'm more than happy with the system, i know i don't have to go back in that stupid vMA rena trying to get the only item missing to my collections of weapons, a lighting sharpened staff or find back an infused inferno which i decon by mistake, all i have to do is do dungeons i love and i'll get mats to re-trait an item i got from that stupid arena. Takes me way faster to grab 50 crystals than running 10 vMA which i know i'll end up with 8 resto staves. not to mention the sunder 1h with perfect trait i want to get, all i have to do is grab more crystals and i'll be able to re-trait my decisive 1h into an infused or precise, which after 3 days DLC is out, i'm already at 35 crystals.

Tannus15

yeah, no offence @nimander99 but I honestly don't think you understand what it's been like for those of us after Bis gear.

It was on my 36th completion of vMA that I got my first bow. Trait was decisive, so pretty bad, but it was 36 runs just for one bow.
vMA, if you've never tried it, is hard. That first clear literally takes days or weeks of effort. It costs thousands of gold in repairs, more in pots and insane levels of frustration and persistence.
Getting that bow was months of effort. Going in again "one more time".
The very idea of running it over and over again to try and get a nirnhoned bow? Nah uh. Ain't gonna happen.
One of my guild mates can clear it in under 40 minutes now, and has NEVER got an inferno staff. Not one. He's run it literally hundreds of times, and he finally got one from the LEADER BOARD rewards.

Now I can do fun content with my guild mates. I can help run normal trials with my social guild and vet trials with my "serious" guild. I can do a vDSA clear to help a mate get that resto staff or I can do some pledges and maybe get another of the weird DLC achievements and slowly build up my stockpile of crystals.
Hell, I can even get my arse handed to me in PVP every now and then.
I can play the entire game again.

I'm not stuck in a solo trial getting killed by a stupid exploding poison plant again and again and again so that I can be the best I can be for the other 11 people that NEED ME to be the best I can be as we continue to work on our vMoL clear, which is another piece of content which is taking WEEKS of effort.

Seriously, we got 12 people into vMoL for 4 hours to get better at beating the twins. We're not even talking the last boss here. We're talking about the 2nd boss of vMoL.

If you haven't attempted this content you don't know how insanely hard it is.

Needing to re-craft something to change the trait? Yeah, I did that. that's not even a drama. Mostly it sucks cause i'm low on tempers, but spending less time farming some mats than it takes to complete 1 vMA run and I'm pretty much good.

Lastly, if you want to be an end game tank, rock on. the traits help, but ultimately won't matter yet. Study on the small pieces and infused on the big pieces is what you're after, but it doesn't matter until you're doing content where you must hold block the entire fight (mostly trials, some of the vet DLC)
For the base game dungeons your mitigation will keep you alive through most of it as long as you block the "heavy" attack of the boss.
Seriously, I have a trials tank with well-fitted shields, and training helm and impen shoulder. Looking forward to re-traiting all that.

exeeter702

nimander99 wrote: »

Jamini wrote: »

Its a valid complaint I have


It's really not. You are asking to overkill your equipment far past the content you are doing. This change is primarily aimed at the hardcore crowd who do grind out vMA, PvP sets, or do vet trials on a regular basis. You are not the target audience here.

I would actually take a more aggressive role of play style if I could transmute gear I have already saved when I heard re-traiting was going to be coming.

I managed to stash away quite a bit of gear that would completely change my style of play as a group effective tank in higher tier content. That was my entire hope for the system... Re-traiting non craftable gear.

And if this is any indicator of what Transmogrification is going to be like, I am very skeptical.

You think I do not have a valid complaint, I'll accept that. I believe I do. We will just have to agree to disagree.

Honestly. I think (and now hope) they will come to the Crown Store or Crates at this point...

This isnt a matter of opinion. Fundamentally and objectively, based on your self described chosen playstyle and content participation, you are not the intended target player for this transmutation currency system.

My other post was not a waste of words... you need to take the time and trully understand why you are completely misguided on this matter. I dont believe you actually read what myself and others are telling you. This has nothing whatsoever to do with elitism. Stop using that as some kind of deflector.

The fact that you "stashed quite a bit of gear" away demonstrstes your naivety on the subject to begin with. You are not understand what the intention of the trans system was for and who it was geared towards.

STEVIL

exeeter702 wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Loc2262 wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

I'm intensely frustrated that, as a crafter, I don't do any of the things that earn me these transmute stones... Coming soon to Crown Store, Transmute Stones. Bet ya anything.

As a crafter, what do you need transmute crystals for anyway? You need good traits only for combat gear. And once you transmute an item, it's bound to your account anyway. So I don't see why you'd need to transmute anything as a pure crafter.

Well I play the game my way, which means I enjoy it in a more single player aspect. I run all single player content and repeatable guild quests... I'm not just crafting all day long. Its what I do to support people in my guild. I like running around the world and tackling stuff I can tackle.

I'm sorry I don't meet your criteria for a proper ESO player... But I have gear I have crafted that I would love to re-trait. Excuse me for desiring a single player way of earning these "transmute stones"...

Sorry but i will say this with as much respect as possible. You dont have a stake in the discussion as it seems you have a complete misunderstanding of the intention of the system and for whom it was implemented for.

Nothing in regards to crafting or solo play necessitates the need for such optimized gear in the form of retraiting. Wether or not you feel that is relevant doesnt matter, its the simple truth of it. You can play how you want, it has nothing to do with criteria for being am "eso player". Player power in the form of best in slot gear is not just some self placed badge of honor or achievement, it is a very real very measurable gauge of player progression to alleviate the difficulty in pinnacle of end game challenges. Even the most demanding solo challenge in the game, veteran maelstrom arena, does not really ask much from players in the form of optimised gear at this point in the game.

You are talking in circles when you say you want to retrait gear you have crafted and feel entitled to that option. Any actual dedicated crafter would easily have the necessary resources to simply recraft said gear in your desired trait. Frankly speaking, using transmutation crystals on CRAFTED gear is an offensively gross waste of the currency, and no player who is in a position to actually benefit from perfect trait gear would be foolish enough to waste the crystals in such a way.

The currency is not for you as long as you insist on playing within your chosen bubble in the game. And there is 100 percent absolutely nothing wrong with that fact. When you do decide to participate in end game group activities, be grateful that you have a nice new system in place to help you out in getting that ideal drop that soo many of us over the last few years have not had the same opportunity of.

Now excuse me while i go queue up for COA for the 300th time.

While your chosen vision of worthy this and not worthy that and who has a stake in the discussion is all well and good in a strange kind of pre-ghosts dickensian or Modest Proposal vibe...

You are wrong. The current system seems also aimed at less than those who NEED the gear for end game pinnacle performance.

Why?

How can I dispute the claims of whatever burning bush informed you of its true intent?

E-v-I-d-e-n-c-e.

I gauge its intent not by reading entrails but by what it does.

1 - it provide crystals EVEN for normal dungeons and EVEN for serving... Neither of which are content available to and geared to those on the verge of pinnacle play.

Those running VCOA or even nCOA for the 50th time,much less 300th are likely not those who would NEED to run the normal levels of that and so the crystals drop for normal they are targeting someone else beyond those verging on pinnacle.

2 - Transmute was built to transform even crafted pieces and even overland drops and did not cut those out because "not needed" or "offensive/gross."

So if I judge intent by design choices made by the designers, it sure looks a lot more inclusive than the amnesia of the elite system your monocle and top hat wearing spirit guide told you it was meant to be.

Tannus15

STEVIL wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Loc2262 wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

I'm intensely frustrated that, as a crafter, I don't do any of the things that earn me these transmute stones... Coming soon to Crown Store, Transmute Stones. Bet ya anything.

As a crafter, what do you need transmute crystals for anyway? You need good traits only for combat gear. And once you transmute an item, it's bound to your account anyway. So I don't see why you'd need to transmute anything as a pure crafter.

Well I play the game my way, which means I enjoy it in a more single player aspect. I run all single player content and repeatable guild quests... I'm not just crafting all day long. Its what I do to support people in my guild. I like running around the world and tackling stuff I can tackle.

I'm sorry I don't meet your criteria for a proper ESO player... But I have gear I have crafted that I would love to re-trait. Excuse me for desiring a single player way of earning these "transmute stones"...

Sorry but i will say this with as much respect as possible. You dont have a stake in the discussion as it seems you have a complete misunderstanding of the intention of the system and for whom it was implemented for.

Nothing in regards to crafting or solo play necessitates the need for such optimized gear in the form of retraiting. Wether or not you feel that is relevant doesnt matter, its the simple truth of it. You can play how you want, it has nothing to do with criteria for being am "eso player". Player power in the form of best in slot gear is not just some self placed badge of honor or achievement, it is a very real very measurable gauge of player progression to alleviate the difficulty in pinnacle of end game challenges. Even the most demanding solo challenge in the game, veteran maelstrom arena, does not really ask much from players in the form of optimised gear at this point in the game.

You are talking in circles when you say you want to retrait gear you have crafted and feel entitled to that option. Any actual dedicated crafter would easily have the necessary resources to simply recraft said gear in your desired trait. Frankly speaking, using transmutation crystals on CRAFTED gear is an offensively gross waste of the currency, and no player who is in a position to actually benefit from perfect trait gear would be foolish enough to waste the crystals in such a way.

The currency is not for you as long as you insist on playing within your chosen bubble in the game. And there is 100 percent absolutely nothing wrong with that fact. When you do decide to participate in end game group activities, be grateful that you have a nice new system in place to help you out in getting that ideal drop that soo many of us over the last few years have not had the same opportunity of.

Now excuse me while i go queue up for COA for the 300th time.

While your chosen vision of worthy this and not worthy that and who has a stake in the discussion is all well and good in a strange kind of pre-ghosts dickensian or Modest Proposal vibe...

You are wrong. The current system seems also aimed at less than those who NEED the gear for end game pinnacle performance.

Why?

How can I dispute the claims of whatever burning bush informed you of its true intent?

E-v-I-d-e-n-c-e.

I gauge its intent not by reading entrails but by what it does.

1 - it provide crystals EVEN for normal dungeons and EVEN for serving... Neither of which are content available to and geared to those on the verge of pinnacle play.

Those running VCOA or even nCOA for the 50th time,much less 300th are likely not those who would NEED to run the normal levels of that and so the crystals drop for normal they are targeting someone else beyond those verging on pinnacle.

2 - Transmute was built to transform even crafted pieces and even overland drops and did not cut those out because "not needed" or "offensive/gross."

So if I judge intent by design choices made by the designers, it sure looks a lot more inclusive than the amnesia of the elite system your monocle and top hat wearing spirit guide told you it was meant to be.

However it's worth pointing out that there is no form of crystal drop for overland play, at all.
World bosses, delves, quests and chests provide no crystals, implying that this system is only really intended for bind on pickup items, NOT bind on equip items.

Sure, it CAN be used for overland and crafted gear, but I feel that's because it would be a silly restriction to implement.

this is clearly designed to alleviate difficulties in acquiring optimally traited gear from dungeons, trials and pvp.

STEVIL

Tannus15 wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Loc2262 wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

I'm intensely frustrated that, as a crafter, I don't do any of the things that earn me these transmute stones... Coming soon to Crown Store, Transmute Stones. Bet ya anything.

As a crafter, what do you need transmute crystals for anyway? You need good traits only for combat gear. And once you transmute an item, it's bound to your account anyway. So I don't see why you'd need to transmute anything as a pure crafter.

Well I play the game my way, which means I enjoy it in a more single player aspect. I run all single player content and repeatable guild quests... I'm not just crafting all day long. Its what I do to support people in my guild. I like running around the world and tackling stuff I can tackle.

I'm sorry I don't meet your criteria for a proper ESO player... But I have gear I have crafted that I would love to re-trait. Excuse me for desiring a single player way of earning these "transmute stones"...

Sorry but i will say this with as much respect as possible. You dont have a stake in the discussion as it seems you have a complete misunderstanding of the intention of the system and for whom it was implemented for.

Nothing in regards to crafting or solo play necessitates the need for such optimized gear in the form of retraiting. Wether or not you feel that is relevant doesnt matter, its the simple truth of it. You can play how you want, it has nothing to do with criteria for being am "eso player". Player power in the form of best in slot gear is not just some self placed badge of honor or achievement, it is a very real very measurable gauge of player progression to alleviate the difficulty in pinnacle of end game challenges. Even the most demanding solo challenge in the game, veteran maelstrom arena, does not really ask much from players in the form of optimised gear at this point in the game.

You are talking in circles when you say you want to retrait gear you have crafted and feel entitled to that option. Any actual dedicated crafter would easily have the necessary resources to simply recraft said gear in your desired trait. Frankly speaking, using transmutation crystals on CRAFTED gear is an offensively gross waste of the currency, and no player who is in a position to actually benefit from perfect trait gear would be foolish enough to waste the crystals in such a way.

The currency is not for you as long as you insist on playing within your chosen bubble in the game. And there is 100 percent absolutely nothing wrong with that fact. When you do decide to participate in end game group activities, be grateful that you have a nice new system in place to help you out in getting that ideal drop that soo many of us over the last few years have not had the same opportunity of.

Now excuse me while i go queue up for COA for the 300th time.

While your chosen vision of worthy this and not worthy that and who has a stake in the discussion is all well and good in a strange kind of pre-ghosts dickensian or Modest Proposal vibe...

You are wrong. The current system seems also aimed at less than those who NEED the gear for end game pinnacle performance.

Why?

How can I dispute the claims of whatever burning bush informed you of its true intent?

E-v-I-d-e-n-c-e.

I gauge its intent not by reading entrails but by what it does.

1 - it provide crystals EVEN for normal dungeons and EVEN for serving... Neither of which are content available to and geared to those on the verge of pinnacle play.

Those running VCOA or even nCOA for the 50th time,much less 300th are likely not those who would NEED to run the normal levels of that and so the crystals drop for normal they are targeting someone else beyond those verging on pinnacle.

2 - Transmute was built to transform even crafted pieces and even overland drops and did not cut those out because "not needed" or "offensive/gross."

So if I judge intent by design choices made by the designers, it sure looks a lot more inclusive than the amnesia of the elite system your monocle and top hat wearing spirit guide told you it was meant to be.

However it's worth pointing out that there is no form of crystal drop for overland play, at all.
World bosses, delves, quests and chests provide no crystals, implying that this system is only really intended for bind on pickup items, NOT bind on equip items.

Sure, it CAN be used for overland and crafted gear, but I feel that's because it would be a silly restriction to implement.

this is clearly designed to alleviate difficulties in acquiring optimally traited gear from dungeons, trials and pvp.

Sure, one can assume it was designed to apply to overland sets but that was not their intent if one wishes to presume a mismatch between design and intent.

but that is a far cry from divinely inspired conclusions that it was not intended for anyone except those seeking/nearing end game play and that those other folks dont even deserve a place in the discussion when it *is* available for them thru way below anything close to pinnacle high end game play.

But hey, there are always folks seeking to find reasons for others to not be counted or heard and frequently the posturing is one invoking some form of implied elite status or secret knowledge of intent behind the scenes.

So, nothing new at all.

its a very old old story that just keeps getting played out.

JonnytheKing

Vanzen wrote: »

what the hell you talking about ?!

It takes 15minutes of pvp everyday day with every char to get an avearge of 10 crystals each.

pretty much , its not hard , poeple will *** about anything

Masel

Tasear wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

Integral1900 wrote: »

Twenty vet dungeons including 18 pledges aaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnddddddd... still nothing... at least give me one per dungeon you stingy git of a system

That is weird. For vet pledges you are guaranteed to get a geode with at least 1 on there, mostly two or three.

I got say twice out of 15 dungeons or final boss in hard mode

not from the final Bosses. the guaranteed ones only come from the pledge quests.

nimander99

exeeter702 wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Jamini wrote: »

Its a valid complaint I have


It's really not. You are asking to overkill your equipment far past the content you are doing. This change is primarily aimed at the hardcore crowd who do grind out vMA, PvP sets, or do vet trials on a regular basis. You are not the target audience here.

I would actually take a more aggressive role of play style if I could transmute gear I have already saved when I heard re-traiting was going to be coming.

I managed to stash away quite a bit of gear that would completely change my style of play as a group effective tank in higher tier content. That was my entire hope for the system... Re-traiting non craftable gear.

And if this is any indicator of what Transmogrification is going to be like, I am very skeptical.

You think I do not have a valid complaint, I'll accept that. I believe I do. We will just have to agree to disagree.

Honestly. I think (and now hope) they will come to the Crown Store or Crates at this point...

This isnt a matter of opinion. Fundamentally and objectively, based on your self described chosen playstyle and content participation, you are not the intended target player for this transmutation currency system.

My other post was not a waste of words... you need to take the time and trully understand why you are completely misguided on this matter. I dont believe you actually read what myself and others are telling you. This has nothing whatsoever to do with elitism. Stop using that as some kind of deflector.

The fact that you "stashed quite a bit of gear" away demonstrstes your naivety on the subject to begin with. You are not understand what the intention of the trans system was for and who it was geared towards.

@Jamini I believe I understated my initial comment which led to a misunderstanding. My issue is time. When I play I have to make a choice, today in the two hours I have I will:

A: Trial Run
B: Veteran Dungeon or PVP
C: Craft/misc.

Mostly, in the last few months, I've had to just farm and PVE (which was why my initial comment, made out of frustration, was about how I've currently been playing. Not how I've always played), due to working multiple jobs, I know, not your problem etc.

I do try to run vMA, VDgns and vTrials. With my limited time I have to get lucky and find a trial group right away or it ain't gonna happen. When the game first launched I had nothing but free time. I investing all my free time into the game, hitting VR14 running dungeons PVP-ing all that.

So, I just wanted to set the record straight. I want to be able to compete in these aspects of the game. I deeply understand the frustration vMA... Like I said, I have a lot of gear I saved (for multiple characters) when I heard re-traiting was coming. Now, it will be ages before I get a chance just to re-trait one piece.

And why would you say I am naïve for saving weapons and gear I earned running vMA or other content for re-traiting?

What, exactly, am I not understanding about this system and why "its not for me"?

@STEVIL is also correct in his summation. All gear can be re-traited, crafted, overland, normal dundeon, veteran dungeon, pvp etc.

exeeter702

Tannus15 wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Loc2262 wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

I'm intensely frustrated that, as a crafter, I don't do any of the things that earn me these transmute stones... Coming soon to Crown Store, Transmute Stones. Bet ya anything.

As a crafter, what do you need transmute crystals for anyway? You need good traits only for combat gear. And once you transmute an item, it's bound to your account anyway. So I don't see why you'd need to transmute anything as a pure crafter.

Well I play the game my way, which means I enjoy it in a more single player aspect. I run all single player content and repeatable guild quests... I'm not just crafting all day long. Its what I do to support people in my guild. I like running around the world and tackling stuff I can tackle.

I'm sorry I don't meet your criteria for a proper ESO player... But I have gear I have crafted that I would love to re-trait. Excuse me for desiring a single player way of earning these "transmute stones"...

Sorry but i will say this with as much respect as possible. You dont have a stake in the discussion as it seems you have a complete misunderstanding of the intention of the system and for whom it was implemented for.

Nothing in regards to crafting or solo play necessitates the need for such optimized gear in the form of retraiting. Wether or not you feel that is relevant doesnt matter, its the simple truth of it. You can play how you want, it has nothing to do with criteria for being am "eso player". Player power in the form of best in slot gear is not just some self placed badge of honor or achievement, it is a very real very measurable gauge of player progression to alleviate the difficulty in pinnacle of end game challenges. Even the most demanding solo challenge in the game, veteran maelstrom arena, does not really ask much from players in the form of optimised gear at this point in the game.

You are talking in circles when you say you want to retrait gear you have crafted and feel entitled to that option. Any actual dedicated crafter would easily have the necessary resources to simply recraft said gear in your desired trait. Frankly speaking, using transmutation crystals on CRAFTED gear is an offensively gross waste of the currency, and no player who is in a position to actually benefit from perfect trait gear would be foolish enough to waste the crystals in such a way.

The currency is not for you as long as you insist on playing within your chosen bubble in the game. And there is 100 percent absolutely nothing wrong with that fact. When you do decide to participate in end game group activities, be grateful that you have a nice new system in place to help you out in getting that ideal drop that soo many of us over the last few years have not had the same opportunity of.

Now excuse me while i go queue up for COA for the 300th time.

While your chosen vision of worthy this and not worthy that and who has a stake in the discussion is all well and good in a strange kind of pre-ghosts dickensian or Modest Proposal vibe...

You are wrong. The current system seems also aimed at less than those who NEED the gear for end game pinnacle performance.

Why?

How can I dispute the claims of whatever burning bush informed you of its true intent?

E-v-I-d-e-n-c-e.

I gauge its intent not by reading entrails but by what it does.

1 - it provide crystals EVEN for normal dungeons and EVEN for serving... Neither of which are content available to and geared to those on the verge of pinnacle play.

Those running VCOA or even nCOA for the 50th time,much less 300th are likely not those who would NEED to run the normal levels of that and so the crystals drop for normal they are targeting someone else beyond those verging on pinnacle.

2 - Transmute was built to transform even crafted pieces and even overland drops and did not cut those out because "not needed" or "offensive/gross."

So if I judge intent by design choices made by the designers, it sure looks a lot more inclusive than the amnesia of the elite system your monocle and top hat wearing spirit guide told you it was meant to be.

However it's worth pointing out that there is no form of crystal drop for overland play, at all.
World bosses, delves, quests and chests provide no crystals, implying that this system is only really intended for bind on pickup items, NOT bind on equip items.

Sure, it CAN be used for overland and crafted gear, but I feel that's because it would be a silly restriction to implement.

this is clearly designed to alleviate difficulties in acquiring optimally traited gear from dungeons, trials and pvp.

Dont go down the rabbit hole with @STEVIL.. its a bottomless pit.

nimander99 wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Jamini wrote: »

Its a valid complaint I have


It's really not. You are asking to overkill your equipment far past the content you are doing. This change is primarily aimed at the hardcore crowd who do grind out vMA, PvP sets, or do vet trials on a regular basis. You are not the target audience here.

I would actually take a more aggressive role of play style if I could transmute gear I have already saved when I heard re-traiting was going to be coming.

I managed to stash away quite a bit of gear that would completely change my style of play as a group effective tank in higher tier content. That was my entire hope for the system... Re-traiting non craftable gear.

And if this is any indicator of what Transmogrification is going to be like, I am very skeptical.

You think I do not have a valid complaint, I'll accept that. I believe I do. We will just have to agree to disagree.

Honestly. I think (and now hope) they will come to the Crown Store or Crates at this point...

This isnt a matter of opinion. Fundamentally and objectively, based on your self described chosen playstyle and content participation, you are not the intended target player for this transmutation currency system.

My other post was not a waste of words... you need to take the time and trully understand why you are completely misguided on this matter. I dont believe you actually read what myself and others are telling you. This has nothing whatsoever to do with elitism. Stop using that as some kind of deflector.

The fact that you "stashed quite a bit of gear" away demonstrstes your naivety on the subject to begin with. You are not understand what the intention of the trans system was for and who it was geared towards.

@Jamini I believe I understated my initial comment which led to a misunderstanding. My issue is time. When I play I have to make a choice, today in the two hours I have I will:

A: Trial Run
B: Veteran Dungeon or PVP
C: Craft/misc.

Mostly, in the last few months, I've had to just farm and PVE (which was why my initial comment, made out of frustration, was about how I've currently been playing. Not how I've always played), due to working multiple jobs, I know, not your problem etc.

I do try to run vMA, VDgns and vTrials. With my limited time I have to get lucky and find a trial group right away or it ain't gonna happen. When the game first launched I had nothing but free time. I investing all my free time into the game, hitting VR14 running dungeons PVP-ing all that.

So, I just wanted to set the record straight. I want to be able to compete in these aspects of the game. I deeply understand the frustration vMA... Like I said, I have a lot of gear I saved (for multiple characters) when I heard re-traiting was coming. Now, it will be ages before I get a chance just to re-trait one piece.

And why would you say I am naïve for saving weapons and gear I earned running vMA or other content for re-traiting?

What, exactly, am I not understanding about this system and why "its not for me"?

@STEVIL is also correct in his summation. All gear can be re-traited, crafted, overland, normal dundeon, veteran dungeon, pvp etc.

Assuming i am understanding you right... with all due respect, you will get very little leeway here if your entire argument revolves around claiming having the ability to perfectly optimize gear via ideal traits is your primary barrier for entry in group content or difficult content beyond overworld questing and crafting. That is an excuse and holds very little water.

If you have to make the decision with your limited play time between the aforementioned 3 activities, and generally activity C wins over more often than not, you will never acquire trans crystals plain and simple, and that reality results and coincides with absolutely not having a need for those crystals at all. When you do decided to spend your 2 hours of play time doing vet dungeons, trials and pvp, you will then being to acquire trans crystals and THAT reality results and coincides with absolutely having a need for those crystals.

Do not sit here and complain that you are unable to "compete in these aspects of the game" BECAUSE you are locked out of the system BECAUSE you chose to do content in the game that does not qualify for said systems rewards.

"I want to be able to compete in these aspects of the game"

Then start participating in those damn aspects of the game. Having the mentality that you cant even begin to attempt harder content until your traits are perfect suggests that no amount of retraiting is going to actually help you here.

Jamini

nimander99 wrote: »

I do try to run vMA, VDgns and vTrials. With my limited time I have to get lucky and find a trial group right away or it ain't gonna happen. When the game first launched I had nothing but free time. I investing all my free time into the game, hitting VR14 running dungeons PVP-ing all that.

vMA,vDSA, vet Dungeons, and normal trials do not require BIS gear. Period. End. Stop.

My first completion of vMA was with a magSorc in crafted julianos (divines) and necropotence (blue jewlery, cheap helm+shoulders), with a non-trait staff. There are tons of people who have cleared it sub 400CP with julianos/seducer/hundlings.

Vet Dungeons do not require anything except basic 6-trait gearsets. Specifically Hundlings, NMG, Julianos, Seducer. Same with normal trials.

Vet Trials are a function most of your ability to pull off a sucessful rotation and doing mechanics properly. There are only a handful of fights there DPS is required to not wipe. (vAA, Wispmother boss)

So, I just wanted to set the record straight. I want to be able to compete in these aspects of the game. I deeply understand the frustration vMA... Like I said, I have a lot of gear I saved (for multiple characters) when I heard re-traiting was coming. Now, it will be ages before I get a chance just to re-trait one piece.

That's not what transmutation was for. It was designed to allieviate the grind for especially hard-to-find pieces, not completely circumvent it

Hard-to-find pieces are things like: VO Axe in Decisive instead of Sharpened. A Krag'gh shoulder in medium that is impen instead of divines.

It's not /intended/ to be used because you want to try impen on a Ravager gauntlet instead of sturdy!

And why would you say I am naïve for saving weapons and gear I earned running vMA or other content for re-traiting?

Most certainly not, but you don't need to save up that gear unless you are trying for high-end content regularily. If you are doing high end content regularly you will get transmute crystals.

deepseamk20b14_ESO

well, you could instead farm for what you want with the very specific trait and take a month or two....or shut up and play for 1 to 2 weeks and have enough stupid gems to freaking transmute the gear that honestly, isn’t going to help you because you’re probably terrible.

My goodness. ZoS, as much of a pain they can be, finally gave you an option besides grinding for gear. “But but, now I’m grinding for gems!” NO. You’re not. At least not NEARLY in the same sense. You can continue to do ALL the things you did before transmutation existed except now you get gems for doing those activities. You are passively farming the gems. Instead of running one instance 40000000000 times and NOT getting exactly what you want, run in just enough times to get the type of gear you want. At that point enjoy the game. Play as normal. Once you do have enough gems which again ONLY takes a week or two, transmute your gear.

I’ve run certain dungeons hundreds of times to NOT get the trait I want. It’s taken over a month or two for other sets. Now, I collect gems for literally a week and can already transmute my asylum greatsword. I ran the trial three times. I don’t want to run it more. I’d rather PvP or do other dungeons. Thanks to this system I can do that and get gems in the mean time! Guess what?! I didn’t have to run the dungeon 50 times! I could enjoy the rest of the game!

Stop crying!!!! Where is people’s patience? Why does everyone want handouts? Why do you THINK you deserve more? Are you special? “Wahhhhh I did a HM dungeon I DESERVE more!” No. No you don’t sally. Sit down and shut up.

Karius_Imalthar

I've opened many of the geodes from normal/vet dungeons and trials and i've only ever received 1-2.

Asardes

Got almost 90 crystals in a week without barely breaking a sweat. That's nearly 2 full conversions. The drop rate is decent.

supaskrub

Asardes wrote: »

Got almost 90 crystals in a week without barely breaking a sweat. That's nearly 2 full conversions. The drop rate is decent.

Certainly quicker than farming the right piece with the right trait, tbh i would have thought getting around 25 per week would have been an intended drop rate (and one i would actually have found acceptable) but 90 in a week is way more than one could have hoped for, i can't see why people are complaining tbh..

Integral1900

And at last, I’ve finaly reaches six crystals.... lmao... heyho