Masters 2H after 3.2.3

GrigorijMalahevich

What is the change?

SaintSubwayy

BohnT wrote: »

The problem with that is that it's hard to hit 6 ppl in cyro outside of maybe blob zergs which will kill you even with corrosive armor up just because they spam more than 33 attacks in 2 seconds.

shouldnt be that much of a problem, brawler will give you an approx 7k shield every second if you spam it. so you get arround 70k more effective health over the durration of 10sec, which is insane
and the shields cannot get critted, im not sure if the corrosive armor also works on the shieldstrength, or in which order its callculated.
if the 3% max dmg also work on the shields, that'd be OP af.

BohnT

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

The problem with that is that it's hard to hit 6 ppl in cyro outside of maybe blob zergs which will kill you even with corrosive armor up just because they spam more than 33 attacks in 2 seconds.

shouldnt be that much of a problem, brawler will give you an approx 7k shield every second if you spam it. so you get arround 70k more effective health over the durration of 10sec, which is insane
and the shields cannot get critted, im not sure if the corrosive armor also works on the shieldstrength, or in which order its callculated.
if the 3% max dmg also work on the shields, that'd be OP af.

I assumed that the dmg mitigation doesn't apply to shields but that has to be tested. Another big problem is the presence of oblivion dmg glyphs they ignore corrosive armor and are very annoying

SaintSubwayy

BohnT wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

The problem with that is that it's hard to hit 6 ppl in cyro outside of maybe blob zergs which will kill you even with corrosive armor up just because they spam more than 33 attacks in 2 seconds.

shouldnt be that much of a problem, brawler will give you an approx 7k shield every second if you spam it. so you get arround 70k more effective health over the durration of 10sec, which is insane
and the shields cannot get critted, im not sure if the corrosive armor also works on the shieldstrength, or in which order its callculated.
if the 3% max dmg also work on the shields, that'd be OP af.

I assumed that the dmg mitigation doesn't apply to shields but that has to be tested. Another big problem is the presence of oblivion dmg glyphs they ignore corrosive armor and are very annoying

Same, if it would work on the shields.....holy [snip].
jeah oblivon dmg is a problem on that thats true. but it needs to be tested in PVE on live i guess. maybe its just a cheese build but atleast a new diversity to bombing

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BohnT

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

The problem with that is that it's hard to hit 6 ppl in cyro outside of maybe blob zergs which will kill you even with corrosive armor up just because they spam more than 33 attacks in 2 seconds.

shouldnt be that much of a problem, brawler will give you an approx 7k shield every second if you spam it. so you get arround 70k more effective health over the durration of 10sec, which is insane
and the shields cannot get critted, im not sure if the corrosive armor also works on the shieldstrength, or in which order its callculated.
if the 3% max dmg also work on the shields, that'd be OP af.

I assumed that the dmg mitigation doesn't apply to shields but that has to be tested. Another big problem is the presence of oblivion dmg glyphs they ignore corrosive armor and are very annoying

Same, if it would work on the shields.....holy [snip].
jeah oblivon dmg is a problem on that thats true. but it needs to be tested in PVE on live i guess. maybe its just a cheese build but atleast a new diversity to bombing

For PvE it is really nice for AoE fights. But on most bosses it's not that usefull unless there are lots of adds stacked on the boss. For Single target it's better to change the masters 2h for another 5pc or monster set

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Hutch679

Might be hard to hit 6 people in cyrodiil, but have you ever played a BG? You will easily hit that many people with it. Brawler, brawler, take flight, reverse slice is gonna be insane

ToRelax

Hutch679 wrote: »

Might be hard to hit 6 people in cyrodiil, but have you ever played a BG? You will easily hit that many people with it. Brawler, brawler, take flight, reverse slice is gonna be insane

You do realize there's a maximum of 8 enemy players in one BG, and a maximum of 4 on one enemy team? The chance to hit 6 at once with a small melee cone is almost non existant.

Didaco

I think they should revert it to the fixed 2000 added damage...

Kilandros

Asardes

ToRelax wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

Might be hard to hit 6 people in cyrodiil, but have you ever played a BG? You will easily hit that many people with it. Brawler, brawler, take flight, reverse slice is gonna be insane

You do realize there's a maximum of 8 enemy players in one BG, and a maximum of 4 on one enemy team? The chance to hit 6 at once with a small melee cone is almost non existant.

Not unless they are playing Zergball in any case

SaintSubwayy

Didaco wrote: »

I think they should revert it to the fixed 2000 added damage...

so you want it rather useless than good again?

jeah maybe the 9k onhit dmg on 6 targets is a bit high, but back to flat 2k is like not buffing it at all

Subversus

It needs to stay as it is imo. With the next patch in sight, stam will become utter *** compared to mag sorcs (ranged fear), magblades (I'm pretty sure they'll become 1v1 kings save for some players that are very good at their class), magdks which are already crazy on live and magplars who can just spam reverb so you have a perma 45% debuff on you.

Edit: actually nah sorcs are still gonna be garbage next patch even with a ranged fear :'(

DocFrost72

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

The problem with that is that it's hard to hit 6 ppl in cyro outside of maybe blob zergs which will kill you even with corrosive armor up just because they spam more than 33 attacks in 2 seconds.

shouldnt be that much of a problem, brawler will give you an approx 7k shield every second if you spam it. so you get arround 70k more effective health over the durration of 10sec, which is insane
and the shields cannot get critted, im not sure if the corrosive armor also works on the shieldstrength, or in which order its callculated.
if the 3% max dmg also work on the shields, that'd be OP af.

I assumed that the dmg mitigation doesn't apply to shields but that has to be tested. Another big problem is the presence of oblivion dmg glyphs they ignore corrosive armor and are very annoying

Same, if it would work on the shields.....holy [snip].
jeah oblivon dmg is a problem on that thats true. but it needs to be tested in PVE on live i guess. maybe its just a cheese build but atleast a new diversity to bombing

Corrosive armor only caps incoming damage to your health, not damage shields.

Sincerely; a DK tank

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DDuke

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

Didaco wrote: »

I think they should revert it to the fixed 2000 added damage...

so you want it rather useless than good again?

jeah maybe the 9k onhit dmg on 6 targets is a bit high, but back to flat 2k is like not buffing it at all

Sounds like there's an easy solution: make it a flat 3,5k that becomes 7k if it hits two or more targets.


Maximum damage goes down, but now it's more useful for smaller encounters (e.g. Battlegrounds) while still possible to play around.

Avran_Sylt

I'm hesitant to add anything to this discussion, but in PvP it seems only to be an issue against static/clumped targets. Number theory won't do much to address the situational awareness of people, nor figure out the average group size.

The only edge-case I can currently think of is players using this inside a keep during a siege and hopping out of the keep door to cleave the people who are using a battering ram.

Hutch679

ToRelax wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

Might be hard to hit 6 people in cyrodiil, but have you ever played a BG? You will easily hit that many people with it. Brawler, brawler, take flight, reverse slice is gonna be insane

You do realize there's a maximum of 8 enemy players in one BG, and a maximum of 4 on one enemy team? The chance to hit 6 at once with a small melee cone is almost non existant.

Apparently you've never played a BG then. They ball up on objectives. Likely to hit 4 or so at a time.

Hutch679

Asardes wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

Might be hard to hit 6 people in cyrodiil, but have you ever played a BG? You will easily hit that many people with it. Brawler, brawler, take flight, reverse slice is gonna be insane

You do realize there's a maximum of 8 enemy players in one BG, and a maximum of 4 on one enemy team? The chance to hit 6 at once with a small melee cone is almost non existant.

Not unless they are playing Zergball in any case

Right. I've played hundreds of matches. They always ball up on objectives. How many times have you played a match and all 3 teams rush the very center? Happens almost every game....

ToRelax

Hutch679 wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

Might be hard to hit 6 people in cyrodiil, but have you ever played a BG? You will easily hit that many people with it. Brawler, brawler, take flight, reverse slice is gonna be insane

You do realize there's a maximum of 8 enemy players in one BG, and a maximum of 4 on one enemy team? The chance to hit 6 at once with a small melee cone is almost non existant.

Apparently you've never played a BG then. They ball up on objectives. Likely to hit 4 or so at a time.

Yes, I've played BGs before. Maybe you play on another platform? In my experience, you'd be lucky to hit 3 in one hit once in a while.

IxSTALKERxI

The only place I'd use a brawler build is hiding inside a cubby on alessia bridge.

Asardes

Hutch679 wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

Might be hard to hit 6 people in cyrodiil, but have you ever played a BG? You will easily hit that many people with it. Brawler, brawler, take flight, reverse slice is gonna be insane

You do realize there's a maximum of 8 enemy players in one BG, and a maximum of 4 on one enemy team? The chance to hit 6 at once with a small melee cone is almost non existant.

Not unless they are playing Zergball in any case

Right. I've played hundreds of matches. They always ball up on objectives. How many times have you played a match and all 3 teams rush the very center? Happens almost every game....

They do ball up, that's was my feedback, but the damage from brawler is conal, and has a narrow angle and a short range so even if they are balled up it's quite hard to hit more than 4 realistically. I've only played about 20-30 matches in total, mostly to get my achievements for the Midyear Mayhem event. I don't find them particularly entertaining, since I seldom find someone who wants to play and need to go in with randoms. It's mostly an activity I reserve for times when I'm too bored or tired or don't have time to do something else, like trials or vMA. I've also had some rather unpleasant experiences several times, reviving and getting stuck in loading screens for close to half of the duration of a match. I do plan on playing them more often in the future though.

OdinForge

I've been wanting to put my master 2h weapons to legitimate use for so long.

This gives me hope that maybe it won't be utterly *** next patch.

krathos

I think the appropriate response to this potentially over performing piece of gear is to just nerf DK some more.

On the real though, I'm going to carve through all you jive turkeys like it's thanksgiving dinner.

Subversus

krathos wrote: »

I think the appropriate response to this potentially over performing piece of gear is to just nerf DK some more.

On the real though, I'm going to carve through all you jive turkeys like it's thanksgiving dinner.

The nerf sorc meme is slowly turning into a nerf dk meme...

krathos

Subversus wrote: »

krathos wrote: »

I think the appropriate response to this potentially over performing piece of gear is to just nerf DK some more.

On the real though, I'm going to carve through all you jive turkeys like it's thanksgiving dinner.

The nerf sorc meme is slowly turning into a nerf dk meme...

Sorc merely adopted the nerf meme. DKs were born in it, molded by it.

Kilandros

Subversus wrote: »

krathos wrote: »

I think the appropriate response to this potentially over performing piece of gear is to just nerf DK some more.

On the real though, I'm going to carve through all you jive turkeys like it's thanksgiving dinner.

The nerf sorc meme is slowly turning into a nerf dk meme...

Go reread the forums circa 2013-2015 it's literally just an amalgam of nerf DK threads.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

What does the damage shield scale off of? Max stam or max HP?

Ladislao

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

What does the damage shield scale off of? Max stam or max HP?

Stamina and WD.

Hutch679

ToRelax wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

Might be hard to hit 6 people in cyrodiil, but have you ever played a BG? You will easily hit that many people with it. Brawler, brawler, take flight, reverse slice is gonna be insane

You do realize there's a maximum of 8 enemy players in one BG, and a maximum of 4 on one enemy team? The chance to hit 6 at once with a small melee cone is almost non existant.

Apparently you've never played a BG then. They ball up on objectives. Likely to hit 4 or so at a time.

Yes, I've played BGs before. Maybe you play on another platform? In my experience, you'd be lucky to hit 3 in one hit once in a while.

Xbox one NA. They do the same thing every match. Stick together in a pack. When all teams collide it's 12 people on top of each other. It might be difficult to hit 6 people with brawler, but I assure you it can happen. More likely to hit 3 or 4. I.e. last night went up against a team with 4 stamina characters, and a team of 2 stamiina characters. There were several times that 3 or 4 were right on top of each other.