Should vet dlc dungeons be 5 group members

bloodthirstyvampire

Only vet white gold tower, vet cradle of shadows and vet ruins of mazzatan

Apherius

No

Thank for this useful poll ... " how to make dungeons even more easy "

AzraelKrieg

No

No. Find better groups

Jamini

No

The game is based around 4-man groups. It doesn't have the systems to support 5/6-man groups.

4 people is far too few, but that's what we have.

LadyNalcarya

No

No. They would need to rebalance all of them for 3 dds instead of 2 and that isnt worth the effort.

Reverb

No

No, people should stick to doing these on normal, in regular 4-person groups, until their skill and builds are good enough for the harder, vet versions. This is why the normal versions exist. No need to dumb down more content.

newtinmpls

Other

Reverb wrote: »

No, people should stick to doing these on normal, in regular 4-person groups, until their skill and builds are good enough for the harder, vet versions. This is why the normal versions exist. No need to dumb down more content.

I really wish that the "normal" and the vet would be more similar. I rarely actually learn mechanics from normal, and that makes vet harder.

but to my "other"; I wish that we could do runs with 5 if we wanted to, but the group finder would not change it's defaults
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SirCritical

Other

Missing an other option: only if they increase difficulty.

Merlin13KAGL

No

SirCritical wrote: »

Missing an other option: only if they increase difficulty.

@SirCritical , you're missing the part where they increase the difficulty and give you one additional bad pug...

Monumentally bad idea - never underestimate someone's ability to screw something up.

SirCritical

Other

@Merlin13KAGL

I see the whole point of the thread, I just couldn't pick an answer, because of my reasons above. Since I don't really have any problems with the current difficulty, I can't pick 'yes', but since I could imagine a little bit more difficult version, with some bonus reward, I can't pick 'no'.

Merlin13KAGL

No

Fair enough. The 'easy' way to do this would to be reward the HM clears with some minor bonus. That would be the more difficult version.

I think the real issue the thread does not address is the vast difficulty jump between norm and vet. For purposes of randoms, adding another tier with another group member would only convolute things even further, not to mention they'd probably break groupfinder again in a whole new and different way.

OP, for DLC content, the requirement should simply be that you have a clear on normal, and you have a reasonable number of Vet clears on other dungeons before it would allow a vet queue.

This would prevent people from restricted access to content they purchased, but it would also require a certain level of competence before tossing people into an instance that will only serve to frustrate.

All of the four-man content is able to be completed by four, and you already get a SD/WD boost when you queue, as it is.

SoLooney

No

no, get better people is the better solution

pugging this, it would likely only bring in another useless dps who cant do more than 10k and fails at mechanics

The_Protagonist

No

LOL Learn to get a better group

Irfind

Yes

Normal as well please but only if they increase difficulty.

More DDs shorter queue time for DDs.

eso_nya

No

Hell no.
The veteran dungeons seem to be balance around 2 DDs bringing 20k dps ea.
The average DD gf throws at u, brings between 500 and 10k dps. When 2 of those bring 10k dps combined, stuff takes longer (x4) or at times becomes impossible.

Balancing timers / HP around 60k combined dps wont make stuff easier.

Edit: Forgot the flipside.
right now, u can run those dungeons w/ a faketank and 3 DDs or even with 4 DDs. (Did u know that u can skip lord wardens portalphase?)
Even if u increase their health by 30%, 4 capable dds will melt a 2m boss in under 10 secs. None of the last bosses would last longer than a minute. In a fight that short, its save to swap the faketank for another DD and melt stuff even faster.

Under the line: Dungeons will be harder for pugs and easier for premades.

xRIVALENx

Having 5 people in a dungeon won't solve the issues that are currently being presented in Vet DLC Dungeons. Knowledge of the mechanics and familiarity with the dungeons themselves will go a long ways, what it takes is time and practice. Normal Dungeons are poor teachers when it comes to mechanics unless one slows them down to a crawl, maybe us Vet players should step up to the challenge and start teaching individuals how to play.

Mentoring players instead of shunning them from Vet content would certainly improve our community.

LordGavus

No

No need. Just need to have competent team members.

Enslaved

Other

I think all dungeons should have their difficulty set from 3 to 8 players.
All 5+ dungeons would have more enemies and more mechanics, resulting in better rewards and more interesting PvE. This would also be a great way to introduce new players to trials, since they would have to work harder once they get in dungeon with more than 4 ppl. I would leave these for just premade groups, same as we have for trials, so no dungeon finder option.

DeadlyRecluse

No

I voted no, but upon reflection I think it would be cool if dungeons were balanced mechanically around 4 people, but scaled up or down slightly with groups of 3 or 5. Not for purposes of making them easier, but more just for accommodating when I have a group of 5 in TS that want to do pledges. Would be nice to be able to roll together for convenience's sake.

OutLaw_Nynx

No

You have a weird obsession with these dungeons...

RT_Frank

No

What's another CP 50 dps gonna do in any vet dlc dungeon? I'd rather they put a CP minimum on these dungeons...

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

No

*** is already 2 ez...I would say grp dungs should be 3 man at this point to make them damn challenging...and probably a 2 man mode to make it even harder...seriously...I HATE CASUALS QQ FOR NERFS 24/7...ESO was going in the right direction until devs started to listen to people that play the game 1 hours/week and want everything done with least effort...ok we have this now...how about make some hardcore modes for hardcore people then...that would be something...(don't even dare to talk about the "hardmode" at the end of dungeons...there is no such thing)

Chronicburn

Yes

I voted yes ... you don't have to use 5 if you don't want to , AND the way the keep nerfing things youre gonna want 5 sooner or later anyway...

phileunderx2

Yes

I say yes so more dps can get in and quit fake tank/healing.

TelvanniWizard

Other

Should? No. Could be, coexisting with the 4-man system? Why not. More possibilities, more fun.

DMuehlhausen

No

Stop kicking people because they aren't in full gold gear.

Actually take some time to teach people how to do the encounters. You know what happens then? You get a larger pool of people who can do them..which gets more geared people, which makes the dungeons easier and faster.

Talrol

No

The content is clearable in vet as it is now. It's clearable in vet HM as it is now, no death runs can be achieved as it is now, speed runs can be achieved as it is now.

If you find that you are unable to complete these dungeons in vet then the problem is either with you or the group you're with. I would recommend joining a good guild that will run them with you.

grannas211

No

Absolutely not.

Merlin13KAGL

No

Enslaved wrote: »

I think all dungeons should have their difficulty set from 3 to 8 players.
All 5+ dungeons would have more enemies and more mechanics, resulting in better rewards and more interesting PvE. This would also be a great way to introduce new players to trials, since they would have to work harder once they get in dungeon with more than 4 ppl. I would leave these for just premade groups, same as we have for trials, so no dungeon finder option.

@Enslaved, good f'n luck finding a place to stand in Falkreath Hold.

Sounds like you want mini-trials, which would be interesting and serve a different purpose.

If you want to see tanks and healer rage quit even more than they do now, add another buffoon to the mix.

Difficulties don't need to be adjusted for people. People need to be forced to learn and do the mechanics.

jrgray93

Other

phileunderx2 wrote: »

I say yes so more dps can get in and quit fake tank/healing.

I guess I'm one of the few people who opted to just make a REAL tank build to avoid this issue

I think four is fine but if they could somehow make them scale upwards when you have a larger group, that would be cool. I think it would likely be too difficult to pull off or not worth the effort, but it would be fun to not have to leave certain guildies out if more than four people want a pledge.

Say, for instance, add 20% health to enemies per extra player in the group. Flat +20% enemy damage if >4 players. Cap it at 8.

AlnilamE

No

...but not vet Imperial City Prison?

Interesting.