Crystal fragments or Crystal Blast [Poll]

Apherius

Hi , with the upcoming chance I would like to make a quick pool, which morph will you use ?

ZOS_Wrobel wrote: »

we’ve been evaluating the Crystal Shard skill line and its morphs and are planning to make some adjustments. The base stun component is going to be removed from the ability and instead placed on the Crystal Blast morph. This will make the choice between Crystal Fragments and Crystal Blast much more interesting as you are choosing between a CC and AoE damage vs. increased burst damage.

Of course there isn't " other option " it's a sorc pool , if you don't play sorc and want to talk about the nerf you can just go here --> https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/373853/crystal-frags-nerf-no-stun#latest https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/371905/pts-update-16-feedback-thread-for-sorcerer#latest

WreckfulAbandon

Crystal fragments ( justify )

I'm just gonna have to eat that nerf if it goes live, thanks a bunch for the balancing ZOS. Meanwhile Shalk+Bird+DBoS still obliterating people. But yeah, we needed to nerf a projectile ability that is already countered by abilities in game as well as an addon that 50% of PvPers use.

Apherius

Crystal fragments ( justify )

This or a potatoe gameplay ? the choice wasn't so hard , i still think they should better reverse the change and try to buff crystal blast ... either by changing the base morph ... eitheir by adding a proc to this morph.

Tyrion87

Crystal fragments ( justify )

No cast time. Simple.

OdinForge

Crystal fragments ( justify )

If crystal blast one shot people it might be worth using, but as it is currently no one is going to use it in PvP. I've seen some suggestions to make it have an AoE damage + CC, but have an instant proc chance similar to the other morph. Or they could simply just convert the blast morph into a stamina based skill, where it has a chance to proc on stamina skills.

They're trying way too hard to make a poorly designed skill work, and gutting a well designed morph to do so. The greatest thing about ESO was the combat system. Slowly neutering the greatest aspects of a wonderful combat system, such alien logic to me.

Just redesign the crystal blast morph.

Midori_Oku

Crystal fragments ( justify )

More burst damage/single target damage. More sustain on magicka from the reduced cost on proc, no cast time when you proc it, and 10% more damage. Crystal blast needs to be either completely reworked, or changed to a stamina morph version of crystal fragments.

Although, I personally would like to see it changed to an actual spammable single target ability without the cast time for sorcs. Obviously numbers would need to be adjusted to make it useful, but not overpowered.

laissezfaire

None , i don't/won't play with the crystal. ( justify )

Pool, I came here looking for a swimming pool.

Judas Helviaryn

Crystal fragments ( justify )

Frags for my playstyle were an inconvenience with their stun. They're required for burst damage, but they make it harder to time my own stuns to my advantage by keeping my target on a constant immunity cool down every single time I wanted to boost my damage.

This allows me to have more control over WHEN I stun my target.

I can work with it.

AcadianPaladin

Crystal blast ( justify )

My matriarch/clannfear PvE solo build demands lightning, blockade, empowered ward (mostly for the clannfear tank) + the two pets on her front bar.

The back bar is Surge, EleDrain and Blast + the pets.

I only use the blast as an opening shot, where I really want the AoE and stun. After that, I don't care and it is the least important skill on my bars. I tried frags and can't be bothered disrupting my rotation with an 'on proc' trip to the back bar - not for this character. Other stuff is more important.

iiYuki

Crystal fragments ( justify )

Fragments, only casting to start a fight or when the instant proc pops, otherwise you're using heavy attacks and spamming a instant ability like Force Pulse.

Shadzilla

Crystal fragments ( justify )

IM JUST HERE FOR THE NERF SORCS PART. Revive my old thread?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/340244/crystal-frag-nerf-not-enough#latest

Enslaved

Crystal fragments ( justify )

Fragments. Instant cast possibility is just too op atm.

TheShadowScout

Crystal blast ( justify )

I just love the AoE and knockdown as long range alpha strike... done right, you can decimate several targets with one go, use on the melee fighter first, hit the nearby ranged mob too, then hit the ranged mob before the melee fighter stands up and you get two splash damage effects to hit each of them...
...besides, I just love the "heavy attack" feeling of the whole thing. Especially now when the stun is on that one only.

And while I admit the insta-cast IS more powerful, may still be more powerful without the stun, I happen to pick my skill choices more for flavor then super-effectiveness.

Vaoh

Crystal fragments ( justify )

Oh look, the change that was totally meant to make Crystal Blast appealing failed miserably.... again.

Only this time ZOS nerfed Crystal Fragments to do it. What a joke.

Sleep

Crystal blast ( justify )

aoe ftw jk

Juhasow

Crystal fragments ( justify )

TheShadowScout wrote: »

I just love the AoE and knockdown as long range alpha strike... done right, you can decimate several targets with one go, use on the melee fighter first, hit the nearby ranged mob too, then hit the ranged mob before the melee fighter stands up and you get two splash damage effects to hit each of them...
...besides, I just love the "heavy attack" feeling of the whole thing. Especially now when the stun is on that one only.

And while I admit the insta-cast IS more powerful, may still be more powerful without the stun, I happen to pick my skill choices more for flavor then super-effectiveness.

Whole that theory is good for describing fight with PvE trash mobs but there is a catch. If You stun whole group of mobs at once then they'll all break free and be CC immune so You wont be able to stun any of them for another 7 seconds so only 1 crystal each 7 seconds will work as You want not mentioning bosses are CC immune anyway. You could just drop some ultimate like meteor or DboS or skills like Volcanic Rune and have similar results.

In PvP almost everyone will be able to see and dodge roll/block /interrupt it or will be informed by Miat that someone is casting frag. If people could avoid instant cast frag then You can dream of hitting them with hard casted one.

FriedEggSandwich

Crystal fragments ( justify )

Because Crystal Blast will get me killed in pvp.

Izaki

Crystal fragments ( justify )

Vaoh wrote: »

Oh look, the change that was totally meant to make Crystal Blast appealing failed miserably.... again.

Only this time ZOS nerfed Crystal Fragments to do it. What a joke.

I was about to write the same thing word for word basically lol

ArchMikem

Crystal fragments ( justify )

If Crystal Blast was more fluid to use it'd serve nicely in PvE Group Content as a decent AoE.

FakeFox

Crystal fragments ( justify )

Crystal Frags are even more potent now, they don't proc your targets CC immunity anymore so you can stun them 100% reliably with other skills and make Frags completely unblockable and undogeable. Sure it requires better timing then before but the result is deadly.

Houshiki

Seriously, this is getting ridiculous that the devs are pushing the other morph so hard. Frags' dmg was already nerfed in a previous patch, and I doubt blast will still be used often. It might be preferred, at least in pvp, if the stun was also aoe and applied to every target that took dmg to it.

And it wouldn't be much of a choice between dmg or cc and aoe. There are simply better abilities available for aoe and dmg.

Now if the devs really want players to choose the other morph more frequently, I'd suggest leaving frags as is, and stripping away the stun, the trajectory arc, aoe, cast time, and adjusting the costs and finally give sorcs a class specific spammable.

EDIT: would should've been wouldn't =p

dsalter

Crystal fragments ( justify )

as someone who plays a sorc as well as a stam sorc, fragments wins hands down, nothing is beating the proc for it, only way you are gunna make the blast desirable is to make it a semi close range instant STAM proc.
as suggested MAAAANY times before.

TeIvanni

None , i don't/won't play with the crystal. ( justify )

PvP is booty.

And pet sorc pve doesn't run frags.

Mystrius_Archaion

Crystal blast ( justify )

I always used Crystal Blast because the AoE damage just makes it much higher dps than any procced Crystal Fragments and I use it more as a spammable. It also clears adds away very well with that AoE, especially when used in melee range in the middle of a rugby scrum of enemies. A 1-second cast time matching the 1-second global cooldown isn't bad at all. It actually seems quite fast.
It's not likely to be interrupted more than once in a short duration even in pvp due to CC immunity and other factors. In pve, it's just awesome.

Lylith

we’ve been evaluating the Crystal Shard skill line...

is that the royal 'we,' or is wrobel admitting he has a multiple personality disorder?

another unnecessary change, imho. it's not going to make anything more 'interesting,' it's just another nerf.

grats to the neverending, 'nerf sorc' whingers.

Insandros

Here'S comes ZoS Thinking.. as usualy you see in PvE, and now the are gonna do this to that skill, when they don't know what to do, they add CC, dungoen are easy, adding CC, wondering what to do with a skill, morph it CC... CC is their easy escape actions Elser CroundControl Online

Navoric_Envaldreth

Crystal fragments ( justify )

Already strong enough without the stun. Will happily take it regardless.
For PvP at least.
For PvE i already sometimes and will still take Blast mostly.

Asmael

Crystal fragments ( justify )

You have 2 cookies. One of those have poo in it, and the other haz chocolate.

You happen to replace the chocolate cookie with filthy raisin oatmeal cookie. Do you want to eat the other cookie?

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On a more serious note: Crystal blast will not be used in PvP because it has a design failure. Even if Crystal fragment didn't even exist, it would still not be used. Why? Because cast times in PvP are absolutely horrid, which is why Inevitable detonation, Healing ritual and Solar Barrage (PTS) don't / will not see play.

If you want to make it a compelling choice, make both morphs have a proc chance, with one having single target damage increased and the other a slightly longer stun + the AoE effect and / or a slightly increased chance to proc and / or cost reduced even further on cast.

Stop thinking that nerfing the best option is a proper way of making less viable options more compelling, might as well remove all abilities from this game - that'll make things easier to balance.

Rastoric

Crystal blast ( justify )

Ranged AoE, PvP keep offense, i don't like the gameplay style of "waiting" for crystal fragments procs.

Derra

Crystal fragments ( justify )

Casttime isn´t going to happen in this game anymore.

Wreuntzylla

Let me get this straight. A castable AoE stun?

For PvP, my first thought is that everyone better put their pets away.