They ignored feedback: Next crown crate season will ALSO include mounts not purchasable with gems

Aliyavana

They completely ignored our feedback and went ahead and added even more exclusive mounts you cannot but directly with gems. Did you want a skeletal mount with fire coming out of it? Well now you can for only a few hundred dollars depending on your rng! What do you think about this!

casparian

It looks like they'll be doing the same in the next season as well, with the Cold Flame Atronach mounts appearing in the Fire Atronach crates as super apex mounts.

This practice is probably here to stay.

CGPsaint

I am not suprised. i wont buy a crate

No big surprise. I've purchased crates in the past and always been pretty disappointed. After the whole Bal-Foyen Nix Hound ***, I shan't be purchasing any more crates. Simple as that.

BigBragg

I am not surprised, and honestly get crates for the costumes and accessories.

Eddyble

I will be satisfied with just regular crown crate items

I'm not surprised but I won't be buying them to aim for those mounts. I'll use what I got and take whatever I get. At this point I'm not gonna gamble anymore (sour taste since the storm crates). I have some gems saved up and a few furnishings I can turn in if I get close to the 400 if needed.

OutLaw_Nynx

I will be satisfied with just regular crown crate items

CGPsaint wrote: »

No big surprise. I've purchased crates in the past and always been pretty disappointed. After the whole Bal-Foyen Nix Hound ***, I shan't be purchasing any more crates. Simple as that.

@CGPsaint

Care to adopt my Nix Hound?

DeadlyRecluse

I will be satisfied with just regular crown crate items

Just wait until they add tradable hats with particle effects....

That being said, it doesn't really bother me, the normal "Apex" rewards are nice enough for me. The "Super Apex" rewards are nice to have in there, but don't really factor into my decision process when it comes to crates.

Tavore1138

I will be satisfied with just regular crown crate items

I've said this before the wth...

Up until the last set of crates I had every mount in game - just something I liked doing.

Became clear after opening a bunch of the last lot of crates that this was no longer realistic as I am willing to spend lots just not a potentially infinite amount on a game with no published odds or alternative method of acquiring said extra rare mounts.

So I go into this round of mounts in a situation where I can no longer ever have a complete collection of mounts so... I have already saved by not buying the re-tinted dwemer spider or the HoTR wolf. With this lot of crates I will only go for the horse, cat and maybe the guar mounts and if I get a super-rare then splendid, if not then no big deal.

As a result I expect to spend a lot less on crates and on mounts in general than I did before

agegarton

if you dont want to spend that much money don't buy it!!!! (because there is always one of you in these threads)

You get that these guys are running a business with the intention of making a profit, right? I would far rather they bolster revenue and earnings from OPTIONAL Crown Crate items which are ENTIRELY COSMETIC instead of increasing my ESO Plus subscription.

CGPsaint

I am not suprised. i wont buy a crate

agegarton wrote: »

You get that these guys are running a business with the intention of making a profit, right? I would far rather they bolster revenue and earnings from OPTIONAL Crown Crate items which are ENTIRELY COSMETIC instead of increasing my ESO Plus subscription.

Interesting read on why I'm opposed to the Crown Crates.

The business of addiction: how the video gaming industry is evolving to be like the casino industry

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Care to adopt my Nix Hound?

Someone is attempting to make a funny...

Feanor

I am not suprised. i wont buy a crate

No surprises here. As long as people buy crates there will be such items.

ThePrinceOfBargains

How did people not know this? It was pretty obvious seeing the regular skeleton mounts and then these exclusive-looking unique versions in the data mine. But I agree; it's a *** business tactic.

Brrrofski

If feedback cuts profit, then yes, they will ignore it. Really not surprised.

So long as they never include something that gives people an edge in combat, I really don't care if they rip people off in the crown store.

A mount is purely cosmetic and entirely up to you wether you choose to pay a lot of money for it. So it's whatever to me.

As long as it doesn't hamper someone's gaming experience, I don't honestly care.

Sigtric

Unfortunately 10 people on the forums vehemently protesting this isn't enough.

rhapsodious

Evidently it makes them money. Good thing I'm not interested in them. and I already pay money to roll crap in other games

And I mean this in the nicest way possible, and not directly in response to your feedback, but if ZOS responded to every piece of feedback left on these forums, the game would be destroyed.

NewBlacksmurf

Stop buying them and it won’t matter

Motherball

if you dont want to spend that much money don't buy it!!!! (because there is always one of you in these threads)

It only takes one whale to spend $4000 to make up for 400 players that didn’t spend any. Those whales can fund the game if they want. It obviously works out for the company if they continue to do it this way. In my opinion, it allows more people to try the game for cheap/free and provides funds for future content.

Korah_Eaglecry

I am not suprised. i wont buy a crate

Eddyble wrote: »

I'm not surprised but I won't be buying them to aim for those mounts. I'll use what I got and take whatever I get. At this point I'm not gonna gamble anymore (sour taste since the storm crates). I have some gems saved up and a few furnishings I can turn in if I get close to the 400 if needed.

This is what Ive been trying to tell people. Dont gamble for the nice shinys at the top. Theres plenty of information out there telling you what youre likely going to spend to get enough crowns for those items. If you really want those items, youre going to have to accept that there will be a minimum buy-in.

Abeille

The original plan obviously wasn't making them enough money; it was finite, there was a point at which any person could get enough gems to get what they wanted if they opened enough crates. That's not the case when there are drop-only items. Players didn't buy enough crates ("don't like it, don't buy it" backfired), they added an incentive for them to keep buying.

That being the case, there isn't much feedback can do.

Loc2262

I am not suprised. i wont buy a crate

The only time I ever opened a crown crate was during that event when they gave them away for free just for logging in.

And it is going to stay that way. I never gamble in games with real money.

NewBlacksmurf

Motherball wrote: »

It only takes one whale to spend $4000 to make up for 400 players that didn’t spend any. Those whales can fund the game if they want. It obviously works out for the company if they continue to do it this way. In my opinion, it allows more people to try the game for cheap/free and provides funds for future content.

The reality is this....the forums represent a very small portion of players and for those comments apply from players who actually are buying crates for rewards....neither matter.

What matters is people buying crowns. How they use crowns is of little importance but if and when they keep buying crowns, other ways to use them come about because people keep complaining that’s theirs nothing of value to spend them on.

There’s no crown crate whale
There is a crown sale whale and it’s thousands upon thousands of players.
There are eso Plus pushers and there are millions of them

The above is the reality

Mojmir

I am not suprised. i wont buy a crate

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Motherball wrote: »

It only takes one whale to spend $4000 to make up for 400 players that didn’t spend any. Those whales can fund the game if they want. It obviously works out for the company if they continue to do it this way. In my opinion, it allows more people to try the game for cheap/free and provides funds for future content.

The reality is this....the forums represent a very small portion of players and for those comments apply from players who actually are buying crates for rewards....neither matter.

What matters is people buying crowns. How they use crowns is of little importance but if and when they keep buying crowns, other ways to use them come about because people keep complaining that’s theirs nothing of value to spend them on.

There’s no crown crate whale
There is a crown sale whale and it’s thousands upon thousands of players.
There are eso Plus pushers and there are millions of them

The above is the reality

uhm yeah there is, i know of at least 3 in my guilds

Incognitius

I am not suprised. i wont buy a crate

Loc2262 wrote: »

The only time I ever opened a crown crate was during that event when they gave them away for free just for logging in.

And it is going to stay that way. I never gamble in games with real money.

And it appears there is another free event this weekend. ;-)

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26197?utm_source=SocialMedia&utm_medium=bitly

idk

Because they don't change something doesn't mean they ignored feedback.

Heck, as far as the crown store and crates do, revenue is the loudest feedback. They certainly listened to our feedback.

And the poll is clearly made to be biased. Lol.

Tavore1138

I will be satisfied with just regular crown crate items

Motherball wrote: »

It only takes one whale to spend $4000 to make up for 400 players that didn’t spend any. Those whales can fund the game if they want. It obviously works out for the company if they continue to do it this way. In my opinion, it allows more people to try the game for cheap/free and provides funds for future content.

But the interesting point, for me at least, is that because of this tactic I will now spend less with them than I did before not just on crates but more generally across crown items. They had me happy to spend but by pushing it too far they will make a net loss from me which they can't easily walk back.

I am just one guy but I would think my spend is quite high and if enough other people like me feel like I do then that minor step too far could be expensive. Tipping points can be quite small but very expensive for companies that get it wrong.

Doctordarkspawn

I am not suprised. i wont buy a crate

They -allways- ignore your feedback.

They dont -want- your feedback.

randomkeyhits

Have plenty of crowns in my account will spend some on crates but absolutely not to try for those apex RNG only beasties.

If I'm lucky with RNG then I certainly won't be unhappy but I base everything on how many crown gems what I want will cost me.

I'm prepared to gamble but only in an informed way. As the chances for the apex are not only small but unknown they are strictly a no-no.

If anything I'm likely to spend less on crates because possible crown gem purchases are being kept away in RNG land.

AlMcFly

I will be satisfied with just regular crown crate items

I never attempt to get Apex+ rarity items. I usually buy crates for lower tier and/or more gems. If Apex happens, it's a bonus. So far though I've not wanted a single Apex mount even though I accidentally got a few.

acw37162

Stopped buying crates when the introduced the mounts you couldn't buy.

Seems fitting dead horses are stuffed in crown crates as they are a dead horse to me.

Brrrofski

idk wrote: »

Because they don't change something doesn't mean they ignored feedback.

Heck, as far as the crown store and crates do, revenue is the loudest feedback. They certainly listened to our feedback.

And the poll is clearly made to be biased. Lol.

Cha ching is great feedback. They listen very well to it.

I don't even hold it against them. They're making money this way which is entirely optional and it doesn't hamper the game in any way. I'm fine with it.

Korah_Eaglecry

I am not suprised. i wont buy a crate

Motherball wrote: »

It only takes one whale to spend $4000 to make up for 400 players that didn’t spend any. Those whales can fund the game if they want. It obviously works out for the company if they continue to do it this way. In my opinion, it allows more people to try the game for cheap/free and provides funds for future content.

The first part is true, not the second. Some game companies get it right and use the incoming profits for new content. Most dont. Those profits arent instantly promised to development. Development is given a budget and they need to hit their goals within that budget. Profits from Crown Store/Crate sales do not feed back into this. ZOS has investors who, upon investing, were given a promise by ZOS to do everything it can to return those investments to the investor and do everything they can to deliver as much profit as possible. The vast majority of what ZOS makes from its sales goes into its coffers and its investors coffers.

The idea that something like Crown Crates or LTOs are benefiting the games content creation is a misguided lie players tell themselves. If these Crown Crates or LTOs will do anything content wise, it will be to hog more and more of the development budget for its own use. Companies now a days dont expand budgets as much as they try to squeeze more and more out of the already laid out budget.