They ignored feedback: Next crown crate season will ALSO include mounts not purchasable with gems

FLuFFyxMuFFiN

if you dont want to spend that much money don't buy it!!!! (because there is always one of you in these threads)

I don't mind the crates having rare mounts that you can't get with gems. If I get one great, if not I am fine with the normal versions

mb10

I am not suprised. i wont buy a crate

Dont. Give. Them. Your. Money.

It's really that simple but of course people ALWAYS complain here and you think there's an army of us but you look in game and everyone is riding the new mounts.

Crimsonwolf666

I will be satisfied with just regular crown crate items

I am not surprised, but still very disappointed. The dwarven rare mounts were "meh" anyway. These ones look very cool. BUt I am only going for the stuff I am guaranteed to actually get instead of like that other poor sap who spent over $1000 and didn't get a single rare mount. But I know that more an more, I won't be buying a single thing and go play another game. If they keep doing this crap, I can go unsubscribe. I know they will wear on my patience, and everyone else's eventually. Its only a matter of time.

Ajintse

I am not suprised. i wont buy a crate

Not buying crates ever. Purchased 2 crates and was disappointed. It literally is gambling.

Thrymbauld

I am not suprised. i wont buy a crate

I've yet to see a mount that'd get me off the traditional horses.

Most are glittery colors and garbage. Wolves and bears might be more my speed, but I want one that looks like it'll take a bite out of somebody, not beg for table scraps. In other games I've had some interest in novelty mounts, here I'm just not feeling it.

I'd never buy a crate anyway. Gambling for in game things with real money is a bad idea. Buying actual things(even digital things) with real money is a good idea(relatively). If somebody wants to pay their server fees for a 1% chance at some trinket, I guess I don't really care, but I do rather pity those that do it compulsively and am surprised that legal protection hasn't made its way into this gambling arena.

All that said I certainly don't care that I won't get something like this, I'm not surprised it exists, and I really don't care.

Motherball

if you dont want to spend that much money don't buy it!!!! (because there is always one of you in these threads)

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Those profits arent instantly promised to development. Development is given a budget and they need to hit their goals within that budget. Profits from Crown Store/Crate sales do not feed back into this. ZOS has investors who, upon investing, were given a promise by ZOS to do everything it can to return those investments to the investor and do everything they can to deliver as much profit as possible. The vast majority of what ZOS makes from its sales goes into its coffers and its investors coffers.

The idea that something like Crown Crates or LTOs are benefiting the games content creation is a misguided lie players tell themselves. If these Crown Crates or LTOs will do anything content wise, it will be to hog more and more of the development budget for its own use. Companies now a days dont expand budgets as much as they try to squeeze more and more out of the already laid out budget.

While I could certainly imagine rich executives stuffing their pockets with all of that money, the fact is, all of that money draws attention and interest. If more people pay attention and invest, its almost always a good thing for business, in my opinion. Whether or not that is good for the game overall is also debatable.

Slick_007

Kodrac wrote: »

Ir0nB34r wrote: »

Just in case no one knows:

The primary purpose of a business is to maximize profits for its owners or stakeholders while maintaining corporate social responsibility.

A company has every right to sell what they want how they want to as long as it conforms to corporate social responsibility. Not your definition of social responsibility, but the legal definition of it. These mounts are not integral to the game in any way. They are a cosmetic item. You do not gain an advantage by having them, nor do you lose anything by not striving to get one.

Really guys, get over it.

which crate will i find this in?

edit: where was the 'i dont care' option?

Pixel_Zealot

I am not suprised. i wont buy a crate

I agree that they're a company that needs to make a profit, and I have purchased crown crates in the past for my Doom Wolf Mount. But they're focusing on "what colour are we going to make the next glowing camel" instead of releasing game-changing content anymore. They're not releasing new races anytime soon, they're not pushing the limitations of the lore for a better experience, they're ignoring feedback, their support is non-existent. Cancelled my sub recently for this reason

I agree ZOS needs to keep bringing bread to the table, but I won't support them until they start earning it. I'd love to support them financially. Give us what we want, not what you make us think we want. Put some effort in, then maybe people will stop saying things like "maybe ZOS can do this to spice up the game".

Turelus

Not surprised at all, the marketing side of ZOS don't really care at this point.

Money has become more important than making the company seem like they're at least somewhat compassionate towards their customers.

I won't gamble for them, depending what's in the packs I might buy one 15 crate pack to get some shots at the items I want, otherwise I will just buy them with gems (you know like we're meant to be able to do).

I won't every overpay to get a single item, especially when ZOS is trying to deliberately make me do just that.

Juhasow

if you dont want to spend that much money don't buy it!!!! (because there is always one of you in these threads)

Lol what a nice passive agressive option

Tyrion87

Although I also don't like the fact that the coolest mounts are now locked behind 100% RNG involving real money, I don't think there is something like: "players' feedback regarding business decisions of ZOS". If it involves money, we don't have much to say to be honest.

I love Plague Husk Horse and Frost Draugr Senche but I won't gamble in order to get them. Maybe I will buy a couple of crates just for fun as before, but if I don't get these mounts, I'm fine. I would never ever spend an insane amount of real money to eventually get these RNG mounts. Even if it was a fire-breathing flying dragon.

FoolishHuman

I will be satisfied with just regular crown crate items

I really don't care, haven't seen a crown crate mount yet that I liked the looks of.

Looeeze

Noob alert..... Am I missing something? I thought that the apex mounts were purchasable for 400 gems?

Are you telling me there are SUPER DUPER apex mounts that don't even appear on the crate contents page?

If so, what are they, I wasn't aware of any unusual mounts riding around anywhere.

Urza1234

i will gamble for those mounts but I won't like it

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

While the majority of their audience seems to prefer direct purchase these steps towards RNG crate only items have begun . Fueled by the paychecks of a few whales that will no doubt showcase these things on their YouTube channels as a social status reminder of who really dictates the game market these days . I would encourage these big spenders to show some social responsibility and restraint for the betterment of the industry but most of those people wouldn't even understand the definition of the term if tattooed on their forhead .

Meh.
mhhhhehhh.
I figure that all those crate sales bring in a lot of money, and if even 1% of it goes towards improving the rest of the actual game thats a net positive effect on me.

My quality of life is not affected in any way by the fact that I choose to ride the Poverty Pony.

sevomd69

if you dont want to spend that much money don't buy it!!!! (because there is always one of you in these threads)

I'm just excited about the Buoyant Armiger motif book... Opened like 1000 chests...still 0 pages... If I get BA book and 1 Morag Tong and 1 Mazz then I will have all the motifs on my main master crafter, until CWC at least...

Turelus

Looeeze wrote: »

Noob alert..... Am I missing something? I thought that the apex mounts were purchasable for 400 gems?

Are you telling me there are SUPER DUPER apex mounts that don't even appear on the crate contents page?

If so, what are they, I wasn't aware of any unusual mounts riding around anywhere.

@Looeeze that's exactly the case.

The last season had some Adamantine mounts and the glowing sweetroll housing item, this season looks to have 3x mounts.
All of them are rare "apex" level items and they can't be purchased for gems.

GaunterODim

i will gamble for those mounts but I won't like it

Yes, last season the super rare ones were the Vitrine Wolf, the Adamant Horse(the one with gold and white parts) and the Ebon Senche in gold and black.

Pretty disappointed that exactly the 3 mounts that are shown in the announcement are the ones that one wont get as I would have liked to get me the Cinder mount from the 400 crystals I saved from last season.

Will be buying 1 pack of crates for the accessoires and the chance, but Im pretty sure that I wont get what Im really after. I found these super rare unbuyable mounts already last time ridiculous because the special colours were datamined for every mount and not just 3. Thought the specials ones would all drop in the new trial or somewhere else to make them rare, but this is just mehhhh.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

I am not suprised. i wont buy a crate

Thogard wrote: »

Those crown crate purchases are funneling tremendous money to the game.

And its only cosmetic stuff.. thats' perfect.


It in no way affects gameplay. If people are vain enough to care about how they look then i'm totally OK withthem gambling, if it means the base game can remain free to play.

I really don't see why they don't sell weapons in the store and let us play the game for cosmetic items. If people get their Epeens bent out of shape because someone does a little more damage then them, Im totally fine with them gambling for it. If it means the game can remain free to play.

inthecoconut

I always take the stance of "I'm disappointed and wont spend a cent on this game"...until I see something I can't live without. And I'm not talking about ESO exclusively but the whole "free to play + cash shop/loot crates" genre that is so popular right now. The fact is I've already spent more than I should have on this game, certainly more than I ever thought I would, and I will reluctantly continue to do so until I get sick to my stomach and grow bitter and learn to hate the game as inevitably happens with every version of these "F2P" models that I find myself trapped in.

JKorr

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Motherball wrote: »

It only takes one whale to spend $4000 to make up for 400 players that didn’t spend any. Those whales can fund the game if they want. It obviously works out for the company if they continue to do it this way. In my opinion, it allows more people to try the game for cheap/free and provides funds for future content.

The reality is this....the forums represent a very small portion of players and for those comments apply from players who actually are buying crates for rewards....neither matter.

What matters is people buying crowns. How they use crowns is of little importance but if and when they keep buying crowns, other ways to use them come about because people keep complaining that’s theirs nothing of value to spend them on.

There’s no crown crate whale
There is a crown sale whale and it’s thousands upon thousands of players.
There are eso Plus pushers and there are millions of them

The above is the reality

Well, maybe sometimes there is a crown crate whale. At least one person trolled every thread people made explaining why they weren't going to buy rngesus boxes, and why they didn't support them by saying he was going to buy even more rngesus boxes just because. With the last season "can't buy apex rewards for gems" this thread appeared. I have no idea if this was the "gonna buy more crates to spite all you haters" person or not. Totally the poster's right to spend their money on what they want. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/365819/im-disappointed-zos-rare-mounts/p1 I think they finally realized, however, that depending on rngesus alone to bless you with the super special sparkle snowflake mounts is a losing proposition. Being able to get gems for duplicates and eventually *buy* what you wanted allowed the rngesus boxes to edge in at tolerable, because someone desperate for the special shiny would eventually be able to get it without taking out a mortgage on the house. Now that they've added "can't be bought with gems" special shinys, that slight edge to "tolerable" is gone.

inf.toniceb17_ESO

if you dont want to spend that much money don't buy it!!!! (because there is always one of you in these threads)

People were buying these crates. They showed ZOS that playerbase can be milked. Now ZOS will push harder to see how well that'll go. Thats's a logical thing to do. As long as they make profit they won't give a damn about few whiners on forums. I dunno why anyone would expect anything else.

Storymaster

Where is the 4th poll option - These mounts sound kind of weird and crappy, so I don't really care?

Phinix1

Shameless scam to milk gambling addicted whales.

People were just starting to accept that if you save enough you could eventually get the things you really wanted from crates with sub crowns. Now they've thrown all that good faith out the window.

Really too bad with these gambling-exclusive mounts that you can't just buy with gems. Especially since they are the best and most desirable ones. A big "screw you" to loyal customers. But I guess the impulse paycheck of whales in the short term is more important than long term customer satisfaction.

Kodrac

I am not suprised. i wont buy a crate

Thogard wrote: »

Those crown crate purchases are funneling tremendous money to the game.

And its only cosmetic stuff.. thats' perfect.


It in no way affects gameplay. If people are vain enough to care about how they look then i'm totally OK withthem gambling, if it means the base game can remain free to play.

What gameplay has been the result of all this revenue?

Phinix1

Before someone says I'm just picking on poor ZOS trust me, I know psychology. I know how this works. I am giving them free advertising! I know for a fact the MAIN reason people with the whale personality profile would blow hundreds or thousands of dollars on RNG to get these is primarily because they define their self worth by COMPARISON.

Sure a handful will just really want one thing, and "gotta catch 'em all" plays a part, but the biggest motivator of whales is and has always been the NEED for other people to feel envious or left out, as this is what makes them feel good about themselves and their money.

The constant need for comparisons, exclusivity, I have because others don't.

The more they can make other people enjoy the game less by throwing money at it, the more money they want to throw. In their mind it only serves to strengthen their persevered superiority to others established by material means alone.

Any fool can spend. I have always been more impressed by ACTUAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

Enjoy those "elite" zombie pixels though. XD

Hanokihs

I will be satisfied with just regular crown crate items

Phinix1 wrote: »

Before someone says I'm just picking on poor ZOS trust me, I know psychology. I know how this works. I am giving them free advertising! I know for a fact the MAIN reason people with the whale personality profile would blow hundreds or thousands of dollars on RNG to get these is primarily because they define their self worth by COMPARISON.

Sure a handful will just really want one thing, and "gotta catch 'em all" plays a part, but the biggest motivator of whales is and has always been the NEED for other people to feel envious or left out, as this is what makes them feel good about themselves and their money.

The constant need for comparisons, exclusivity, I have because others don't.

The more they can make other people enjoy the game less by throwing money at it, the more money they want to throw. In their mind it only serves to strengthen their persevered superiority to others established by material means alone.

Any fool can spend. I have always been more impressed by ACTUAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

Enjoy those "elite" zombie pixels though. XD

I've always felt the opposite: that only a few people are the "ooh, look at me in the town square" type, but the rest who spend arguably huge amounts of money do it just because they can and they want what they're buying. That's certainly the only reason I've done it in the past. In fact, I'd even say I go out of my way to avoid acting like I'm showing off if I have something rare. No need to be a d-bag about cosmetics, and I don't even get why anyone would want to.

Also, just to point out, a game is a game. Coding is finite. Anyone can get all the accomplishments and achievements if they want to; any fool can do that too, because as soon as someone does it, they post videos and brag about their techniques until the system is changed. Then someone else does the same thing. Over and over again. Enjoy those "elite" dyes, costumes, and cheevos that nobody can distinguish, though.

Back on topic, I wonder if they keep putting these "drop only" items in here because people aren't spending enough money on crates and they feel like they have to force our hands. Then again, I guess there's never such a thing as "enough" money, so that's the end of that. I still wish they'd just make them absurdly expensive. If regular mounts cost 400 gems, make these 40K. They still get boatloads of cash from crown sales that way, and the "there IS an end in sight" aspect will probably make more people buy into it if they can afford it.

Elsonso

I am not suprised. i wont buy a crate

mb10 wrote: »

Dont. Give. Them. Your. Money.

It's really that simple but of course people ALWAYS complain here and you think there's an army of us but you look in game and everyone is riding the new mounts.

The main problem that happens when people stop giving money is that the Marketing and Sales people think that it is because we need more incentive, not that they are doing anything wrong. In otherwords, they will double down on exactly the things that cause people to stop spending money. When that does not work, they figure that we are bored and that it is time to move onto something new.

SydneyGrey

Hanokihs wrote: »

I've always felt the opposite: that only a few people are the "ooh, look at me in the town square" type, but the rest who spend arguably huge amounts of money do it just because they can and they want what they're buying. That's certainly the only reason I've done it in the past. In fact, I'd even say I go out of my way to avoid acting like I'm showing off if I have something rare. No need to be a d-bag about cosmetics, and I don't even get why anyone would want to.

This. I imagine it would be pretty rare for someone to spend hundreds to get a rare mount just specifically so they can show it off. I'm sure they're out there, but I think most people would want the mount just because they like it, not because of some shallow need to feel "special."

Personally, I don't spend enough money to be called a "whale," but I'll be getting some of these crates. However, I will NOT be buying more than I'd planned to just to get a 1% chance each time of getting an ultra-rare.* That's madness.

*Or whatever the percentage is. I would HOPE it wouldn't be less than 1%, because that would be ridiculously disgusting.

Zhaedri

I will be satisfied with just regular crown crate items

I'm not impressed with the practice, but I'm not buying the crates for the mounts-that-never-drop (I have spent tons and still never gotten an apex anything). Lots of other stuff in the crates I want instead.

ak_pvp

Crates are cosmetics. You are not entitled to it.