Poll about whether to have the amount of Crystals required for a retrait reduced.

Xylthax

Currently on PTS, 40 crystals are required to retrait an item, with only 1 crystal being rewarded for the completion of any vet content. This means that in order to retrait a single item, you must first run a vet dungeon, arena or trial 40 times in order to obtain enough crystals. In most cases, this will probably mean running vet spindle because that's the shortest. 40 times. Per item.

Ankael07

Please ZoS, lower the amount of crystals required for retraiting to 15

WTF I would get whatever trait I want if I run the same place 40 times.

Xylthax

Please ZoS, lower the amount of crystals required for retraiting to 15

Also, increasing the amount of crystals awarded for completed vet content would achieve the same goal, but since the effect would literally be the same, I left it out of the poll for simplicity's sake.

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO

Please ZoS, lower the amount of crystals required for retraiting to 10

If each run only drops one crystal, then I think the fewer needed for transmutation, the better. 10 runs in a dungeon = 10 crystals? No thanks. By that point, as already mentioned, you've probably already gotten the gear you want. If the purpose of this system is to soften the grind, then that's exactly what it should do, not add another.

Trashs1

so every bg also gives 1 cristal?

Xylthax

Please ZoS, lower the amount of crystals required for retraiting to 15

Trashs1 wrote: »

so every bg also gives 1 cristal?

As far as I'm aware, only vet content gives crystals, so battlegrounds wouldn't because it's pvp.

disintegr8

Has it been confirmed that you can only get 1 for each event you complete, or can you actually get more?
I've never run anything 40 times to try and get what I wanted.

DocFrost72

This is the wrong angle to work for a change, in my humble opinion. I'd say we need the crystal cap removed.

Transmutation is meant to put a hard cap on the runs it takes to get a single item like a weapon, which can only possibly drop once per dungeon. Armor is much, much easier to farm out of dungeons. Essentially, the design is to run until you have perfect armor and transmute your weapon. At least, that's what I read out of it.

The issue comes with a cap on the crystals you can amass.

When housing first dropped, people flipped their collective marbles over how many mats crafting stuff took. This ended when their houses were full and they had time to farm these mats as part of their regular rotation of stuff to do. Now, when you want to craft furniture it's a real good chance you got plenty of mats to do so.

This would have happened with transmute crystals too...if the cap didn't stop you at effectively five items worth of storage.

Edit: OP, you may wanna remove the "petition" bit from your title. Zos doesn't allow petitions.

Xylthax

Please ZoS, lower the amount of crystals required for retraiting to 15

disintegr8 wrote: »

Has it been confirmed that you can only get 1 for each event you complete, or can you actually get more?
I've never run anything 40 times to try and get what I wanted.

ZoS hasn't said anything yet, if that's what you mean. However current pts testers have only been receiving 1 crystal. So in terms of the way it's currently working, you can pretty much consider it confirmed.

Mystrius_Archaion

Please ZoS, lower the amount of crystals required for retraiting to 10

I want it 10 or lower. There also needs to be a solo way to do this. Not everyone is as good in a group or can get a group on their schedule in their region of the game.
Everyone deserves the ability to do this or they won't bother and will lose interest in the game.


Edit:
And pvping for any pve reward can just go to hell.

Mojmir

Please ZoS, lower the amount of crystals required for retraiting to 10

"You begged and we delivered, with our usual BS catch"-zo$

IAVITNI

disintegr8 wrote: »

Has it been confirmed that you can only get 1 for each event you complete, or can you actually get more?
I've never run anything 40 times to try and get what I wanted.

I levelled from CP 160 to around ~324 only running Crypt of Hearts Vet. In all that time I only found 3 swords, one of which was given to me. Please share your Blessing of RNGesus with me xD

On a serious note, 40 is extreme, but I think 10 is too low. 20 seems fair. It is a lot but this game is a grind game. I can run 10 vet dungeons in less than 5 hours. Depending on the group I've run 20 minute Vets. This system is supposed to make the grind easier, not nearly non-existent. Farming for 5 hours to get your BiS gear is not healthy for the gameplay or economy.

Additionally, I think these crystals should be tradable. The PS4 NA economy is dead. Basically only mats are being traded. One way this could be done is to have a guaranteed crystal per run and the chance to obtain a tradeable one as well. Or make the crystals into a shard system and 20/40 crystals makes a bigger crystal that is used to transmute and the mega crystal is tradeable.

2 cents, property of IAVITNI

WhiteMage

Please ZoS, lower the amount of crystals required for retraiting to 10

I mean lower, but there wasn't an option for 2.

Linaleah

Please ZoS, lower the amount of crystals required for retraiting to 10

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »

If each run only drops one crystal, then I think the fewer needed for transmutation, the better. 10 runs in a dungeon = 10 crystals? No thanks. By that point, as already mentioned, you've probably already gotten the gear you want. If the purpose of this system is to soften the grind, then that's exactly what it should do, not add another.

all of this. requiring this much of a grind renders the system just about pointless. especialy since it seems like crystals are not even tradable.

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

I want it 10 or lower. There also needs to be a solo way to do this. Not everyone is as good in a group or can get a group on their schedule in their region of the game.
Everyone deserves the ability to do this or they won't bother and will lose interest in the game.


Edit:
And pvping for any pve reward can just go to hell.

also this.

I was really excited about this system. not anymore

Agalloch

Please ZoS, lower the amount of crystals required for retraiting to 10

Would be nice to see a change of how you acquire those crystals. I vote it ten but if the requirement will remain 40 we must see

Something like this :

Any normal difficulty dungeon grant 1 crystal drop.

Any vet content grant 2-3 crystals.

Any crafting writ award 1 crystal.

Problem solved !

altemriel

Please ZoS, lower the amount of crystals required for retraiting to 10

Xylthax wrote: »

Currently on PTS, 40 crystals are required to retrait an item, with only 1 crystal being rewarded for the completion of any vet content. This means that in order to retrait a single item, you must first run a vet dungeon, arena or trial 40 times in order to obtain enough crystals. In most cases, this will probably mean running vet spindle because that's the shortest. 40 times. Per item.

definitely 40 is too much, also assuming that the drop rate would be low, for re-traiting the whole 7 pieces set it would require countless vet dungeon runs

Vaoh

Please ZoS, lower the amount of crystals required for retraiting to 10

Gear grinding is has already been bad enough for such a long time.... now that we can re-trait items it would be nice if we could utilize this system more than 1-2 times per patch.

DPShiro

Where is the increase the amount option?
Not everyone should get BiS traits by just doing a dungeon or two. It should require effort and only be used on special things.
I vote 100+

sparafucilsarwb17_ESO

Please ZoS, lower the amount of crystals required for retraiting to 10

With 40 needed it would useless and ridiculous, no more than 10.

Mystrius_Archaion

Please ZoS, lower the amount of crystals required for retraiting to 10

Wasn't the point of insane grinds for item modification items like tempers and resins and kuta supposed to be because you could trade them and they expected some farmer to trivialize the intended delay? They were over-compensating.
Now they have this over-compensated for perceived farming that hardly anybody would be insane enough to do.

40 F'ing dungeon runs?!?! F that!
That's a full time job. I'm sorry but I play for fun and that's as not fun as any grind I 've seen.

Mystrius_Archaion

Please ZoS, lower the amount of crystals required for retraiting to 10

Vaoh wrote: »

Gear grinding is has already been bad enough for such a long time.... now that we can re-trait items it would be nice if we could utilize this system more than 1-2 times per patch.

If they really want us to try more gear sets and gear diversity, they really are making it hard to do that. It's too much of a grind to switch anything.

Azurya

Please ZoS, lower the amount of crystals required for retraiting to 10

40 crystals needed is a pain in the a..............

and I don´t want to waste my precious time grinding that just to pls the RNGesus......

better give us jewelry to craft!

Banana

Wheres the option for 1. Grinding sucks a@!.

Mystrius_Archaion

Please ZoS, lower the amount of crystals required for retraiting to 10

Banana wrote: »

Wheres the option for 1. Grinding sucks ass.

Amen brother, Amen. (non-religious, just appropriate response)

DPShiro

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

Where is the increase the amount option?
Not everyone should get BiS traits by just doing a dungeon or two. It should require effort and only be used on special things.
I vote 100+

Here's your sign: "ELITIST and proud of it so crai moar newbs"

You are what is wrong with the entire mmo genre, and actually what is wrong with the world also. We could compare this to evil people in history but you can fill in the blank. The only reason you don't want it "attainable" is so you can hold it over someone else.
"WHI-ELITIST POWER! /fistraise" /sarcasm

How is it elitist to work for something rather than being handed everything along with a trophy for participating?
This entitlement has gone way too far.

Mystrius_Archaion

Please ZoS, lower the amount of crystals required for retraiting to 10

DPShiro wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

Where is the increase the amount option?
Not everyone should get BiS traits by just doing a dungeon or two. It should require effort and only be used on special things.
I vote 100+

Here's your sign: "ELITIST and proud of it so crai moar newbs"

You are what is wrong with the entire mmo genre, and actually what is wrong with the world also. We could compare this to evil people in history but you can fill in the blank. The only reason you don't want it "attainable" is so you can hold it over someone else.
"WHI-ELITIST POWER! /fistraise" /sarcasm

How is it elitist to work for something rather than being handed everything along with a trophy for participating?
This entitlement has gone way too far.

Do you pay to go to your job or do they pay you?
You pay to play this game, "Play", and do so because you find it "fun" and you somehow expect to "work" for anything in return? That's like paying to work to be paid less than you paid your boss.

And actually, you weren't talking about yourself not getting it. You know you want it and will get it because you'll pound your head enough to do so, but you said "not everybody should get BiS traits..." which means you are concerned about others getting what YOU have.
You're the very definition of "elitist".


Edit:
And yes, we're entitled to fun. We pay for fun and expect fun. We may all have differing ideas of fun, but that's where difficulty settings can come in or artificially limiting yourself comes in.
You want a hard time to get those crystals then go do a vet dungeon without armor. Make it harder on yourself. Or go do it with a PUG since you likely avoid those too.

Set your own challenge level, and don't force your own masochism on the rest of us or it stops being called masochism and starts being called torture.

clocksstoppe

Please ZoS, lower the amount of crystals required for retraiting to 20

DPShiro wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

Where is the increase the amount option?
Not everyone should get BiS traits by just doing a dungeon or two. It should require effort and only be used on special things.
I vote 100+

Here's your sign: "ELITIST and proud of it so crai moar newbs"

You are what is wrong with the entire mmo genre, and actually what is wrong with the world also. We could compare this to evil people in history but you can fill in the blank. The only reason you don't want it "attainable" is so you can hold it over someone else.
"WHI-ELITIST POWER! /fistraise" /sarcasm

How is it elitist to work for something rather than being handed everything along with a trophy for participating?
This entitlement has gone way too far.

Because it's not work, you're just getting played by a system that exploits your addiction to gambling. Work means achieving something. Getting a slightly better minmaxed item in an MMO is not an achievement, it's worthless.

DPShiro

clocksstoppe wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

Where is the increase the amount option?
Not everyone should get BiS traits by just doing a dungeon or two. It should require effort and only be used on special things.
I vote 100+

Here's your sign: "ELITIST and proud of it so crai moar newbs"

You are what is wrong with the entire mmo genre, and actually what is wrong with the world also. We could compare this to evil people in history but you can fill in the blank. The only reason you don't want it "attainable" is so you can hold it over someone else.
"WHI-ELITIST POWER! /fistraise" /sarcasm

How is it elitist to work for something rather than being handed everything along with a trophy for participating?
This entitlement has gone way too far.

Because it's not work, you're just getting played by a system that exploits your addiction to gambling. Work means achieving something. Getting a slightly better minmaxed item in an MMO is not an achievement, it's worthless.

If it's worthless then why whine about it?

zaria

Xylthax wrote: »

disintegr8 wrote: »

Has it been confirmed that you can only get 1 for each event you complete, or can you actually get more?
I've never run anything 40 times to try and get what I wanted.

ZoS hasn't said anything yet, if that's what you mean. However current pts testers have only been receiving 1 crystal. So in terms of the way it's currently working, you can pretty much consider it confirmed.

Do you get it from any vet dungeon or just the vet pledges?
Only pledges would be worse as you would be limited to 2-3 a day on each character and you still had to farm the other dungeon for the gear.

clocksstoppe

Please ZoS, lower the amount of crystals required for retraiting to 20

DPShiro wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

Where is the increase the amount option?
Not everyone should get BiS traits by just doing a dungeon or two. It should require effort and only be used on special things.
I vote 100+

Here's your sign: "ELITIST and proud of it so crai moar newbs"

You are what is wrong with the entire mmo genre, and actually what is wrong with the world also. We could compare this to evil people in history but you can fill in the blank. The only reason you don't want it "attainable" is so you can hold it over someone else.
"WHI-ELITIST POWER! /fistraise" /sarcasm

How is it elitist to work for something rather than being handed everything along with a trophy for participating?
This entitlement has gone way too far.

Because it's not work, you're just getting played by a system that exploits your addiction to gambling. Work means achieving something. Getting a slightly better minmaxed item in an MMO is not an achievement, it's worthless.

If it's worthless they why whine about it?

I guess because we want the devs to spend their time on content people will actually get to use more than once every 2 months.

DPShiro

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

Where is the increase the amount option?
Not everyone should get BiS traits by just doing a dungeon or two. It should require effort and only be used on special things.
I vote 100+

Here's your sign: "ELITIST and proud of it so crai moar newbs"

You are what is wrong with the entire mmo genre, and actually what is wrong with the world also. We could compare this to evil people in history but you can fill in the blank. The only reason you don't want it "attainable" is so you can hold it over someone else.
"WHI-ELITIST POWER! /fistraise" /sarcasm

How is it elitist to work for something rather than being handed everything along with a trophy for participating?
This entitlement has gone way too far.

Do you pay to go to your job or do they pay you?
You pay to play this game, "Play", and do so because you find it "fun" and you somehow expect to "work" for anything in return? That's like paying to work to be paid less than you paid your boss.

And actually, you weren't talking about yourself not getting it. You know you want it and will get it because you'll pound your head enough to do so, but you said "not everybody should get BiS traits..." which means you are concerned about others getting what YOU have.
You're the very definition of "elitist".


Edit:
And yes, we're entitled to fun. We pay for fun and expect fun. We may all have differing ideas of fun, but that's where difficulty settings can come in or artificially limiting yourself comes in.
You want a hard time to get those crystals then go do a vet dungeon without armor. Make it harder on yourself. Or go do it with a PUG since you likely avoid those too.

Set your own challenge level, and don't force your own masochism on the rest of us or it stops being called masochism and starts being called torture.

I'm not concerned about others having it, I'm concerned that if everyone has everything the reason to do some content is greatly diminished and will result in people getting bored and leaving.

But seriously, you seem to have a lot of personal issues so maybe see someone about that no?