Poll about whether to have the amount of Crystals required for a retrait reduced.

sevomd69

No, leave it how it is, I'd rather grind out 40 dungeons.

Its not even gonna be 40 dungeons... as stated in the patch notes they will "occasionally" drop...

Transmutation requires Transmute Crystals, precious resources occasionally received for successfully completing Veteran PvE activities such as Pledges, Trials, and Arenas, and several PvP sources such as Rewards for the Worthy, Battleground end of match rewards, and AvA end of campaign rewards. Transmute Crystals are an account wide, capped currency which cannot be banked or traded.

That being said...I think it should not be easy to re-trait especially if any weapon or gear can be re-traited...

Mystrius_Archaion

Please ZoS, lower the amount of crystals required for retraiting to 10

DPShiro wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

Where is the increase the amount option?
Not everyone should get BiS traits by just doing a dungeon or two. It should require effort and only be used on special things.
I vote 100+

Here's your sign: "ELITIST and proud of it so crai moar newbs"

You are what is wrong with the entire mmo genre, and actually what is wrong with the world also. We could compare this to evil people in history but you can fill in the blank. The only reason you don't want it "attainable" is so you can hold it over someone else.
"WHI-ELITIST POWER! /fistraise" /sarcasm

How is it elitist to work for something rather than being handed everything along with a trophy for participating?
This entitlement has gone way too far.

Because it's not work, you're just getting played by a system that exploits your addiction to gambling. Work means achieving something. Getting a slightly better minmaxed item in an MMO is not an achievement, it's worthless.

If it's worthless then why whine about it?

He just got defensive and tuned out actually arguing. He's borderline troll now, but technically not a troll since he is actually defending his elitist attitude still.

ToRelax

Players complained that many never got the items they desired because of a very random drop system. This crystal system reduces the effect of bad luck by quite a lot. You can still farm and never get that destruction staff from what I see, but at least it's not useless when you get one with a bad trait. No need to let you change the trait on everything you find, at that point it's not really an investment in the item you want anymore but just free stuff.

Mureel

No, leave it how it is, I'd rather grind out 40 dungeons.

Seriously. It will not kill you to save up 40 crystals. (and hell if you would have an infused inferno necropotence staff in 40 runs of anything lol wouldn't be 200k ea even for sharpened if that was so.)

Murador178

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

Where is the increase the amount option?
Not everyone should get BiS traits by just doing a dungeon or two. It should require effort and only be used on special things.
I vote 100+

Here's your sign: "ELITIST and proud of it so crai moar newbs"

You are what is wrong with the entire mmo genre, and actually what is wrong with the world also. We could compare this to evil people in history but you can fill in the blank. The only reason you don't want it "attainable" is so you can hold it over someone else.
"WHI-ELITIST POWER! /fistraise" /sarcasm

I dont think that's an elitist argumentation. An elitist argumentation would be: Let the new crystal only drop of the hardmode of the new trial. It's more a grinder argumentation for bored people with too much time. I only hope I can get them also from PvP- or lets make them only PvP- So the PvErs feel the pain aswell, that we PvPers will have from farming the new asylum weapons. Some of them look pretty mandatory.

Faulgor

No, leave it how it is, I'd rather grind out 40 dungeons.

I think it's fine if it remains a bit harder to retrait your items, but I think there should be a gradient in the crystals rewarded. Not all vet content is equal. Easiest step would be to reward 2 crystals for HM dungeons/trials.

Mystrius_Archaion

Please ZoS, lower the amount of crystals required for retraiting to 10

Mureel wrote: »

Seriously. It will not kill you to save up 40 crystals. (and hell if you would have an infused inferno necropotence staff in 40 runs of anything lol wouldn't be 200k ea even for sharpened if that was so.)

OMG!! hahahahahahahahahaha
You don't have a clue what the lesson of that movie and that specific part of that movie was do you?
ROFLMAO

She was a selfish brat wanting stuff that others had but also always wanting more than what they had and wanting to be "the only one with it". She was never happy with what she had or wanting to share with others.

This is a video game where equality is the name of the game called "balance", not to mention that they lose customers if the "carrot on the stick" is perceived as unattainable.
Your image backfired, Veruca.


Edit:
FYI, Necropotence are overland drops, BoE. We can have one of those easily, and upgrade it to gold. Bad bad example for your point, but excellent for our point.

Mystrius_Archaion

Please ZoS, lower the amount of crystals required for retraiting to 10

ToRelax wrote: »

Players complained that many never got the items they desired because of a very random drop system. This crystal system reduces the effect of bad luck by quite a lot.

No it doesn't. It's veteran dungeons required, or placing on leaderboards. Those are exclusive clubs and not every group can complete them.
Wasn't there a forum post about being able to sort out failed groups for pledge LFG runs? Guess what that will affect?

40 runs is insane, especially when many people struggle to get one normal dungeon done any given night. Just finding a group can be hard as hell. Then, you have to have enough time to finish and hope everyone else does and isn't "a baddie"(or you're the baddie) and all this so maybe you can get better by having better stats, or just play with a new trait to see if it is better.

40 vet dungeon runs for me would be 40 weeks. I only have the patience and finger dexterity for one a week.
I literally soloed Shada's Tear on the 15th and Rahnni'za grouped on the 16th. I'm still tired from that and not ready for another group anything. I don't think those were even veteran content. It doesn't matter.

I play as much as I can, which is a lot on my weekends, but I'm probably a core gamer, not hardcore but not casual. If they're trying to attract people in the middle like me, which can also attract both other extremes, then they're doing a terrible job of it.

ToRelax

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Players complained that many never got the items they desired because of a very random drop system. This crystal system reduces the effect of bad luck by quite a lot.

No it doesn't. It's veteran dungeons required, or placing on leaderboards. Those are exclusive clubs and not every group can complete them.
Wasn't there a forum post about being able to sort out failed groups for pledge LFG runs? Guess what that will affect?

40 runs is insane, especially when many people struggle to get one normal dungeon done any given night. Just finding a group can be hard as hell. Then, you have to have enough time to finish and hope everyone else does and isn't "a baddie"(or you're the baddie) and all this so maybe you can get better by having better stats, or just play with a new trait to see if it is better.

40 vet dungeon runs for me would be 40 weeks. I only have the patience and finger dexterity for one a week.
I literally soloed Shada's Tear on the 15th and Rahnni'za grouped on the 16th. I'm still tired from that and not ready for another group anything. I don't think those were even veteran content. It doesn't matter.

I play as much as I can, which is a lot on my weekends, but I'm probably a core gamer, not hardcore but not casual. If they're trying to attract people in the middle like me, which can also attract both other extremes, then they're doing a terrible job of it.

Well I wouldn't know about that as I don't know many, if any, players who have problems with the easier veteran dungeons; I don't care whether they drop in normal mode but I'd like to have it so that it's faster to grind crystals in more difficult content, lest everyone runs normal mode for them.

Mystrius_Archaion

Please ZoS, lower the amount of crystals required for retraiting to 10

ToRelax wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Players complained that many never got the items they desired because of a very random drop system. This crystal system reduces the effect of bad luck by quite a lot.

No it doesn't. It's veteran dungeons required, or placing on leaderboards. Those are exclusive clubs and not every group can complete them.
Wasn't there a forum post about being able to sort out failed groups for pledge LFG runs? Guess what that will affect?

40 runs is insane, especially when many people struggle to get one normal dungeon done any given night. Just finding a group can be hard as hell. Then, you have to have enough time to finish and hope everyone else does and isn't "a baddie"(or you're the baddie) and all this so maybe you can get better by having better stats, or just play with a new trait to see if it is better.

40 vet dungeon runs for me would be 40 weeks. I only have the patience and finger dexterity for one a week.
I literally soloed Shada's Tear on the 15th and Rahnni'za grouped on the 16th. I'm still tired from that and not ready for another group anything. I don't think those were even veteran content. It doesn't matter.

I play as much as I can, which is a lot on my weekends, but I'm probably a core gamer, not hardcore but not casual. If they're trying to attract people in the middle like me, which can also attract both other extremes, then they're doing a terrible job of it.

Well I wouldn't know about that as I don't know many, if any, players who have problems with the easier veteran dungeons; I don't care whether they drop in normal mode but I'd like to have it so that it's faster to grind crystals in more difficult content, lest everyone runs normal mode for them.

That would be a good trade off, lower amount for easier content while harder content drops more per run.

I was thinking about 1 crystal dropping per delve boss or quest complete so solo players and lower levels could also benefit from it, and veteran dungeons could drop much more per run. Maybe it would be 20-25 needed per transmute and vet dungeons drop 15-25 per run. That would be a good option.

Mystrius_Archaion

Please ZoS, lower the amount of crystals required for retraiting to 10

Murador178 wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

Where is the increase the amount option?
Not everyone should get BiS traits by just doing a dungeon or two. It should require effort and only be used on special things.
I vote 100+

Here's your sign: "ELITIST and proud of it so crai moar newbs"

You are what is wrong with the entire mmo genre, and actually what is wrong with the world also. We could compare this to evil people in history but you can fill in the blank. The only reason you don't want it "attainable" is so you can hold it over someone else.
"WHI-ELITIST POWER! /fistraise" /sarcasm

Originally, the poster I quoted was voting for it to be increased to 100 required. He wanted it harder/more grind. That's why he was elitist.

Elitist is anything trying to exclude others. Any argument for more grind or harder or for anybody else to not have what they have. They want an exclusive club.
Call it selfish, greedy, masochistic, even racist, all stem from the same thing. Some people just can't let anyone be equal to them.

Hippie4927

I think they need to add the crystals to fishing gunny sacks. Presently, there are no real awards for all the time spent getting Master Angler. The crystals would make a nice, occasional reward.

Sorry! Posted this in the wrong thread!

Enslaved

Please ZoS, lower the amount of crystals required for retraiting to 20

10 sounds great, but Id settle for 20 as well, compared to 40 Zos is offering us right now.

Mystrius_Archaion

Please ZoS, lower the amount of crystals required for retraiting to 10

Faulgor wrote: »

I think it's fine if it remains a bit harder to retrait your items, but I think there should be a gradient in the crystals rewarded. Not all vet content is equal. Easiest step would be to reward 2 crystals for HM dungeons/trials.

40 runs on even the, supposedly, easiest vet dungeons is apparently 10-15 minutes. That means 8-10 hours not including group forming time if everything goes perfect.
That's insane.

I think one transmutation of any item should take no more than 1 hour of any grind, and that's not including waiting for people to form a group. That's just solo option. Grouping should be guaranteed able to transmute an item with 1-2 dungeon runs or1 trial run.

static_recharge

No, leave it how it is, I'd rather grind out 40 dungeons.

Personally I think the point of this system is to make it so you still have to do content, but after so many vets if you still don't have that perfect trait on an item you can at least be guaranteed to be able to change it into the trait you want. This system isn't meant to be a complete grind replacement, just to help alleviate those that are looking for a certain item in a specific trait and never getting it to drop because of RNG. If this system was too easy or too cheap to use then everyone would have the gear they want in a matter of weeks and nobody would run anything anymore. Instead they've made it into a situation where the cost is high enough that you have to make sure it's worth it and it's what you really want.

Now having a cap on the amount you can acquire I'm not sure I agree with, but at least they made it enough so that you can do a whole 5pc set if you had to.

Chilly-McFreeze

Haven't made it to the PTS yet. Are they tradeable? How high are the drop chances for vet bosses and RotW?

Lord_Eomer

No, leave it how it is, I'd rather grind out 40 dungeons.

If ZOS nerf this then it would be much easier to change weapon trait,

atleast 40 crystal shows me some sense to do re-training carefully!

this is good for weapon/armor sale. if lowered amount then everyone would get crystals easily and no one will buy armor/weapons from traders.

Mystrius_Archaion

Please ZoS, lower the amount of crystals required for retraiting to 10

static_recharge wrote: »

Personally I think the point of this system is to make it so you still have to do content

Except, they can't make anybody do any specific content this way. It will also cause people to likely just say "F this!" and be done with transmutation because of it.
There are a lot of us that mostly avoid veteran group content, and this will not encourage us much.

For the most part, I crafted my weapon in the set I want and rely on armor for the drops, which drop common enough in the appealing traits of divines and infused and can be upgraded. I probably won't even NEED transmutation at all.
So they want us to do the content more? I still don't really have a reason to, but if they made it more attainable to do that content for faster transmutation switching items then I would be mildly interested in running it a time or two, rather than not at all.

It's just too much to ask for 40 runs/10hrs of group content under the absolute best circumstances for changing one piece of gear to a different trait. The developers need to get a life if they think that's a good way to spend those 10 hours.

Chilly-McFreeze

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

If ZOS nerf this then it would be much easier to change weapon trait,

atleast 40 crystal shows me some sense to do re-training carefully!

this is good for weapon/armor sale. if lowered amount then everyone would get crystals easily and no one will buy armor/weapons from traders.

I think people will less likely use these crystals (that they have to farm themself?) to transmog any overland set, but rather use it on BoE items, which often are a pain to obtain in ANY trait at all. Didn't know how many times I run fungal for a viper's 1h axe and never got one at all.

Also, in addition to my questions above: can you transmog jewelery?

Rogue78

Please ZoS, lower the amount of crystals required for retraiting to 10

The requirement of 40 crystals for changing one trait renders the entire system pointless. After so many years I really no longer have the appetite to endlessly grind the same dungeon over and over again at the mercy of the crappy RNG and the bloated item pools. This would have been a much needed change to put having fun over having to grind again, especially in light of sweeping balance changes every few months. As off putting as this already is for a long time player, I am sure it is even worse for the new players when they realize what a monumental grindfest lies ahead of them to climb to the top of the gear mountain.

I have done a lot of grinding in this game, hoarded over a thousand armour pieces and weapons of all kinds of sets, but enough is enough. Don't ruin this last hope of a fresh breeze!

Subversus

Please ZoS, lower the amount of crystals required for retraiting to 20

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Edit:
And pvping for any pve reward can just go to to hell

Pveing for any pvp reward can just go to hell

Oh wait, that's what we all pvpers have been doing since launch lmao

HatchetHaro

Please ZoS, lower the amount of crystals required for retraiting to 15

I think, for the first week of the patch, lower that to 15 or 20, and gradually increase it back up to 40 in the following weeks. Either that or increase droprates for the stones for the first couple of weeks.

I personally believe that 40 is a fair number; people are miffed because they have to farm extremely hard to re-trait everything they have, when in reality the intention is to have the transmutation stones accumulate during normal gameplay so you can re-trait as you go.

Subversus

Please ZoS, lower the amount of crystals required for retraiting to 20

HatchetHaro wrote: »

I think, for the first week of the patch, lower that to 15 or 20, and gradually increase it back up to 40 in the following weeks. Either that or increase droprates for the stones for the first couple of weeks.

I personally believe that 40 is a fair number; people are miffed because they have to farm extremely hard to re-trait everything they have, when in reality the intention is to have the transmutation stones accumulate during normal gameplay so you can re-trait as you go.

Agree. It needs to be lower, but lowering it to 10 is not the option. Halving it would be a nice idea to begin with, but it should be increased as the time goes by or people will stockpile them like undaunted keys.

Psilent

No, leave it how it is, I'd rather grind out 40 dungeons.

40 is perfect and 1 per dungeon completion is fine as well. This system isn't something you'll use to retrait every piece gear; usually just your weapon.

I would add two changes to this system.

1. You can only get 1 crystal per day from a dungeon/BG/Reward of the Worthy.

2. You can get extra crystals, 1 per day, for doing the following: 1 for doing a solo queue of the vet random dungeon, 1 each for turning in each pledge. These would be account wide, so if you do it on another character, no dice.

-This will allow a retrait every 8 days.
-Will get more players doing pledges
-Will get more players using the random dungeon finder.

Turelus

No, leave it how it is, I'd rather grind out 40 dungeons.

I'm fine with this where it is currently, although it's only been in testing for 1 day so maybe I am just waiting for some testing and results.

The idea of the system as I have said in other threads is not to retrait all your gear every month to fit the meta but to alleviate the issues of the people running 200+ maelstrom runs and still not getting the right trait.

If you're interested in these items chances are you're already doing veteran content or PvP on a regular enough basis to earn them as you play and get gear.

Subversus

Please ZoS, lower the amount of crystals required for retraiting to 20

Do BGs give these? What about rewards of the worthy? Are they guaranteed in each mail or are they random like the skyshards?

Chilly-McFreeze

@Psilent

Maybe I understand this wrong but the crystals are not garantueed, they are powerless to RNG like everything else.

@subversus

No need to increase the needed amount over time since the amount you can gather is already capped.

"Transmutation requires Transmute Crystals, precious resources occasionally received for successfully completing Veteran PvE activities such as Pledges, Trials, and Arenas, and several PvP sources such as Rewards for the Worthy, Battleground end of match rewards, and AvA end of campaign rewards. Transmute Crystals are an account wide, capped currency which cannot be banked or traded."

Tyrobag

Please ZoS, lower the amount of crystals required for retraiting to 10

40 is just way overboard.

Subversus

Please ZoS, lower the amount of crystals required for retraiting to 20

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

@Psilent

Maybe I understand this wrong but the crystals are not garantueed, they are powerless to RNG like everything else.

@subversus

No need to increase the needed amount over time since the amount you can gather is already capped.

"Transmutation requires Transmute Crystals, precious resources occasionally received for successfully completing Veteran PvE activities such as Pledges, Trials, and Arenas, and several PvP sources such as Rewards for the Worthy, Battleground end of match rewards, and AvA end of campaign rewards. Transmute Crystals are an account wide, capped currency which cannot be banked or traded."

Fair enough, I guess. In that case, 20 per item is fair imo.

ToRelax

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

If ZOS nerf this then it would be much easier to change weapon trait,

atleast 40 crystal shows me some sense to do re-training carefully!

this is good for weapon/armor sale. if lowered amount then everyone would get crystals easily and no one will buy armor/weapons from traders.

I think people will less likely use these crystals (that they have to farm themself?) to transmog any overland set, but rather use it on BoE items, which often are a pain to obtain in ANY trait at all. Didn't know how many times I run fungal for a viper's 1h axe and never got one at all.

Also, in addition to my questions above: can you transmog jewelery?

@Chilly-McFreeze No, you explicitly can't change jewelry traits.