Cp being added to BG !! ( as of now )

Vizier

R.I.P. Battlegrounds

Thelon

rip battlegrounds

ToRelax

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To explain this change a bit, we've found (through data and feedback) that the majority of players tend to flock more toward CP-enabled campaigns, so we wanted to open that same selection for Battlegrounds and will be testing it out. We’ve considered adding an option between the two as some of you have suggested, but this would cause the population to become pretty divided and we want to make sure you can join Battlegrounds quickly. All that said, if we find this option simply isn’t popular or there’s a higher preference to have Battlegrounds be non-CP, we’ll simply change it back. Thanks for all the feedback so far!

While I understand your concerns, with the current amount of uncapped CP players in battlegrounds, as well as future new players who may want to try them out, I am very sure that you will hurt the population more in the long term by entirely disabling the no-CP queue, rather than adding a CP enabled option.

Furthermore those of us looking for a somewhat even playing field who enjoy no-CP battlegrounds are probably more likely to stick to BGs even with CP enabled than a player who favors CP enabled PvP while BGs are no-CP only. This is of course especially true where no-CP campaign populations are especially low. Without the option to choose, this will further obscure your data, in addition to what else has been mentioned already.

SpiderCultist

This actually pisses me off... I haven't played BGs as much as I would have liked to because of pre-made teams and now they add the CP-only restriction, it's like, SERIOUSLY?

Had I known these poorly thought changes to BGs, I would have NOT bought Morrowind regardless I adored the singleplayer Morrowind.

gammelscroll

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

If this is just a test then offer both and base conclusions on that.

Outright switching it is effectively shutting out anyone who is not at CP cap or comfortably near it.

It's effectively shutting down the only PVP in the game that anyone can join at any time and have a chance because it's a more equal footing.

It's a bad change.

Its a bad change for YOU. What about the people who actually enjoy CP they earned like myself?

Yes CP makes people more powerful BUT THATS THE POINTTT

This isnt call of duty this is a MMORPG. Taking away the grind is taking away the game.

If they take away cp there would he NO incentive for leveling cp unless you do pve.

damarky wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno 3 minutes of your time.

Here is what FENG RUSH said about BG's

https://youtu.be/Yzoxycg53vg?t=13m48s

13min 50 seconds to 16min 50 seconds.

Pretty much sums it up!

Dude nobody cares about what one streamer thinks and how he gets destroyed in cp bg.

We the people are louder than any streamer out there and thats why @ZoS listened to us

he get destroyed? he will *** on your face so u never come back to this game again

montiferus

gammelscroll wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

If this is just a test then offer both and base conclusions on that.

Outright switching it is effectively shutting out anyone who is not at CP cap or comfortably near it.

It's effectively shutting down the only PVP in the game that anyone can join at any time and have a chance because it's a more equal footing.

It's a bad change.

Its a bad change for YOU. What about the people who actually enjoy CP they earned like myself?

Yes CP makes people more powerful BUT THATS THE POINTTT

This isnt call of duty this is a MMORPG. Taking away the grind is taking away the game.

If they take away cp there would he NO incentive for leveling cp unless you do pve.

damarky wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno 3 minutes of your time.

Here is what FENG RUSH said about BG's

https://youtu.be/Yzoxycg53vg?t=13m48s

13min 50 seconds to 16min 50 seconds.

Pretty much sums it up!

Dude nobody cares about what one streamer thinks and how he gets destroyed in cp bg.

We the people are louder than any streamer out there and thats why @ZoS listened to us

he get destroyed? he will *** on your face so u never come back to this game again

Agreed. Keep in mind too this is a guy that apparently plays on Xbox NA and will not reveal his GT. Easy to talk a lot when you hide behind the cloak of anonymity.

If I had to hazard a guess he is a nobody zergling who gets dumpstered anytime he runs into a decent player. Just ignore him. Not worth it.

Ihatenightblades

montiferus wrote: »

gammelscroll wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

If this is just a test then offer both and base conclusions on that.

Outright switching it is effectively shutting out anyone who is not at CP cap or comfortably near it.

It's effectively shutting down the only PVP in the game that anyone can join at any time and have a chance because it's a more equal footing.

It's a bad change.

Its a bad change for YOU. What about the people who actually enjoy CP they earned like myself?

Yes CP makes people more powerful BUT THATS THE POINTTT

This isnt call of duty this is a MMORPG. Taking away the grind is taking away the game.

If they take away cp there would he NO incentive for leveling cp unless you do pve.

damarky wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno 3 minutes of your time.

Here is what FENG RUSH said about BG's

https://youtu.be/Yzoxycg53vg?t=13m48s

13min 50 seconds to 16min 50 seconds.

Pretty much sums it up!

Dude nobody cares about what one streamer thinks and how he gets destroyed in cp bg.

We the people are louder than any streamer out there and thats why @ZoS listened to us

he get destroyed? he will *** on your face so u never come back to this game again

Agreed. Keep in mind too this is a guy that apparently plays on Xbox NA and will not reveal his GT. Easy to talk a lot when you hide behind the cloak of anonymity.

If I had to hazard a guess he is a nobody zergling who gets dumpstered anytime he runs into a decent player. Just ignore him. Not worth it.

Its cute watching people defend a streamer who probably doesn't care bout you lol feng rush is a cool streamer but being a streamer doesnt make you the best im sorry to inform you on that.

Fengrush always hated CP from what i remember him ranting on. And we know why he doesnt like cp lol same reason you dont you get WREKT

vamp_emily

I've never played BG but I'm really thinking some players are not going to like this change. What is going to happen when a tank comes in and you can't kill him? You know the tank that takes 20 players dealing damage before they die.

I think they should have Non CP and CP BG.

Ihatenightblades

vamp_emily wrote: »

I've never played BG but I'm really thinking some players are not going to like this change. What is going to happen when a tank comes in and you can't kill him? You know the tank that takes 20 players doing damage before they die.

I think they should have Non CP and CP BG.

Na if u cant kill a tank with 4 people its you. Non cp players are so basic. There are counters to tanks its called heal debuffs poisons etc.. you need to L2P

vamp_emily

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

I've never played BG but I'm really thinking some players are not going to like this change. What is going to happen when a tank comes in and you can't kill him? You know the tank that takes 20 players doing damage before they die.

I think they should have Non CP and CP BG.

Na if u cant kill a tank with 4 people its you. Non cp players are so basic. There are counters to tanks its called heal debuffs poisons etc.. you need to L2P

Thanks for the advice, any more advice you want to share? I'm sure all of DC players in vivec would love your help.

Prince_of_all_Pugs

everyone get ready for super tanks!

Thogard

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

I've never played BG but I'm really thinking some players are not going to like this change. What is going to happen when a tank comes in and you can't kill him? You know the tank that takes 20 players doing damage before they die.

I think they should have Non CP and CP BG.

Na if u cant kill a tank with 4 people its you. Non cp players are so basic. There are counters to tanks its called heal debuffs poisons etc.. you need to L2P

There are plenty of counters to tank permablock builds, but it's neither of those...

Betsararie

vamp_emily wrote: »

I've never played BG but I'm really thinking some players are not going to like this change. What is going to happen when a tank comes in and you can't kill him? You know the tank that takes 20 players dealing damage before they die.

I think they should have Non CP and CP BG.

This alone is what is going to kill BGs, IMHO.

These cancer tank builds can't die. They outlast 10+ players' full damage for 5 minutes+ because of their CP. Because of that making a build like this is now one of the most effective strategies in CP PvP.

You cannot let CP into BGs without nerfing CP in some way so that these builds aren't possible. As it is now, there are tanks in BGs which is fine, but they are killable, and killable by one person in many instances. This is a big reason why non CP PvP is more balanced.

Enabling CP in BGs is in all likelihood not going to work, which is why it baffles me that they went this route. An option would've been understandable.

killimandrosb16_ESO

BG reduced to megatanks, ahaha. Feng got it all right. I yearn back to the time with vet ranks no joking

Morgul667

CP BG are no FUN to me

No CP BG are fun

Beardimus

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To explain this change a bit, we've found (through data and feedback) that the majority of players tend to flock more toward CP-enabled campaigns, so we wanted to open that same selection for Battlegrounds and will be testing it out. We’ve considered adding an option between the two as some of you have suggested, but this would cause the population to become pretty divided and we want to make sure you can join Battlegrounds quickly. All that said, if we find this option simply isn’t popular or there’s a higher preference to have Battlegrounds be non-CP, we’ll simply change it back. Thanks for all the feedback so far!

Great feedback @ZOS_GinaBruno a bigger turn off for most is the lack of separate queues for pre-made teams. Getting your Pug group spanked all night is the worst part for BG newbies.

Personally i think adding CP is going to bring alot of never die builds and slow the pace

CatchMeTrolling

Honestly people not playing enough is a bad justification, at least there's people playing them unlike a certain imperial dlc or maybe with that logic pvp could get scrapped because clearly there's a small amount of players in comparison to pve players.

You know this isn't about population because if it was you'd take more pride in pvp in general, this is really about squeezing some extra money out of morrowind.

Ihatenightblades

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Honestly people not playing enough is a bad justification, at least there's people playing them unlike a certain imperial dlc or maybe with that logic pvp could get scrapped because clearly there's a small amount of players in comparison to pve players.

You know this isn't about population because if it was you'd take more pride in pvp in general, this is really about squeezing some extra money out of morrowind.

Wrong. Players actually been wanting CP bg just because certain scrubs maybe such as yourself cant handle change doesnt mean you speak for all. This is going to increase population in Bg since now you actually use those things called champion points that we grinded for for over 2 years..

Get good and L2P bud if CP BG makes or breaks the game for you then this isnt the game for you. Back to skyrim

HEBREWHAMMERRR

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Honestly people not playing enough is a bad justification, at least there's people playing them unlike a certain imperial dlc or maybe with that logic pvp could get scrapped because clearly there's a small amount of players in comparison to pve players.

You know this isn't about population because if it was you'd take more pride in pvp in general, this is really about squeezing some extra money out of morrowind.

Wrong. Players actually been wanting CP bg just because certain scrubs maybe such as yourself cant handle change doesnt mean you speak for all. This is going to increase population in Bg since now you actually use those things called champion points that we grinded for for over 2 years..

Get good and L2P bud if CP BG makes or breaks the game for you then this isnt the game for you. Back to skyrim

*Preaches l2p*..hides in anonymity because he knows he’s a zerglings we’ve never heard of.

gammelscroll

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Honestly people not playing enough is a bad justification, at least there's people playing them unlike a certain imperial dlc or maybe with that logic pvp could get scrapped because clearly there's a small amount of players in comparison to pve players.

You know this isn't about population because if it was you'd take more pride in pvp in general, this is really about squeezing some extra money out of morrowind.

Wrong. Players actually been wanting CP bg just because certain scrubs maybe such as yourself cant handle change doesnt mean you speak for all. This is going to increase population in Bg since now you actually use those things called champion points that we grinded for for over 2 years..

Get good and L2P bud if CP BG makes or breaks the game for you then this isnt the game for you. Back to skyrim

PLAY with broken cp is just so players like you can feel you have so skills, but truth is you just get carried by a broken system. And you probarly playing max block also..cause your skill cap is non exist

CatchMeTrolling

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Honestly people not playing enough is a bad justification, at least there's people playing them unlike a certain imperial dlc or maybe with that logic pvp could get scrapped because clearly there's a small amount of players in comparison to pve players.

You know this isn't about population because if it was you'd take more pride in pvp in general, this is really about squeezing some extra money out of morrowind.

Wrong. Players actually been wanting CP bg just because certain scrubs maybe such as yourself cant handle change doesnt mean you speak for all. This is going to increase population in Bg since now you actually use those things called champion points that we grinded for for over 2 years..

Get good and L2P bud if CP BG makes or breaks the game for you then this isnt the game for you. Back to skyrim

Lol with OR without cp id most likely embarrass you. By all your post I can get the sense that you're someone id farm, cp isnt going to suddenly make you compete you're still going to get stomped by the player's with more BG experience. I'd gladly duel you if you think you're that great and I'm not even a dueler.

Cp isn't healthy for Bgs, as a light armored Templar with no cp I can be hard to take down, bringing even tankier setups to Bgs will be cancerous.

Ihatenightblades

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Honestly people not playing enough is a bad justification, at least there's people playing them unlike a certain imperial dlc or maybe with that logic pvp could get scrapped because clearly there's a small amount of players in comparison to pve players.

You know this isn't about population because if it was you'd take more pride in pvp in general, this is really about squeezing some extra money out of morrowind.

Wrong. Players actually been wanting CP bg just because certain scrubs maybe such as yourself cant handle change doesnt mean you speak for all. This is going to increase population in Bg since now you actually use those things called champion points that we grinded for for over 2 years..

Get good and L2P bud if CP BG makes or breaks the game for you then this isnt the game for you. Back to skyrim

Lol with OR without cp id most likely embarrass you. By all your post I can get the sense that you're someone id farm, cp isnt going to suddenly make you compete you're still going to get stomped by the player's with more BG experience. I'd gladly duel you if you think you're that great and I'm not even a dueler.

Cp isn't healthy for Bgs, as a light armored Templar with no cp I can be hard to take down, bringing even tankier setups to Bgs will be cancerous.

light armor templar hard to take down

You have officially excused yourself from this conversation. what would be even more embarrassing than that comment you made is fighting my heavy armor stamplar and destroying you in 10-15 seconds max.

LOL light armor. Let me give you a tip for pvp since you are pretty outdated.

The ONLY class that can run medium armor and actually do good is stamblade.

And the ONLY class that can run light armor well is mag sorc.

Period.

And you say im the zergling? Lmao that says a lot im supposed to believe you do solo with a light armor magplar hahaha. Ya. Not.

You got a long ways to go my man and this is just knowing what i know about you imagine the rest of your problems lol.

CatchMeTrolling

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Honestly people not playing enough is a bad justification, at least there's people playing them unlike a certain imperial dlc or maybe with that logic pvp could get scrapped because clearly there's a small amount of players in comparison to pve players.

You know this isn't about population because if it was you'd take more pride in pvp in general, this is really about squeezing some extra money out of morrowind.

Wrong. Players actually been wanting CP bg just because certain scrubs maybe such as yourself cant handle change doesnt mean you speak for all. This is going to increase population in Bg since now you actually use those things called champion points that we grinded for for over 2 years..

Get good and L2P bud if CP BG makes or breaks the game for you then this isnt the game for you. Back to skyrim

Lol with OR without cp id most likely embarrass you. By all your post I can get the sense that you're someone id farm, cp isnt going to suddenly make you compete you're still going to get stomped by the player's with more BG experience. I'd gladly duel you if you think you're that great and I'm not even a dueler.

Cp isn't healthy for Bgs, as a light armored Templar with no cp I can be hard to take down, bringing even tankier setups to Bgs will be cancerous.

light armor templar hard to take down

You have officially excused yourself from this conversation. what would be even more embarrassing than that comment you made is fighting my heavy armor stamplar and destroying you in 10-15 seconds max.

LOL light armor. Let me give you a tip for pvp since you are pretty outdated.

The ONLY class that can run medium armor and actually do good is stamblade.

And the ONLY class that can run light armor well is mag sorc.

Period.

And you say im the zergling? Lmao that says a lot im supposed to believe you do solo with a light armor magplar hahaha. Ya. Not.

You got a long ways to go my man and this is just knowing what i know about you imagine the rest of your problems lol.

...

brandonv516

Rip BG.

Very disappointing.

brandonv516

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

And the ONLY class that can run light armor well is mag sorc.

Period.

Guess you've never played magicka NB like I have then. You are very misinformed.

Rohaus

Anyone that has put in enough time playing on CP enabled campaign as well as on No CP campaign knows how crappy this change is going to be for Battlegrounds . However, if it actually brings more people in then I guess I am for it. Time will tell...

Lexxypwns

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To explain this change a bit, we've found (through data and feedback) that the majority of players tend to flock more toward CP-enabled campaigns, so we wanted to open that same selection for Battlegrounds and will be testing it out. We’ve considered adding an option between the two as some of you have suggested, but this would cause the population to become pretty divided and we want to make sure you can join Battlegrounds quickly. All that said, if we find this option simply isn’t popular or there’s a higher preference to have Battlegrounds be non-CP, we’ll simply change it back. Thanks for all the feedback so far!

Appreciate the feedback and shedding some light on this, Gina. I hope that this does gain serious consideration. The answer seems obvious with how populated the CP campaigns are vs Non CP when it comes to cyrodill. I believe that cyrodill players seem to prefer large scale fighting in large groups, whereas, smallscale players want the most challenge and competitiveness. Not to be repetitive, but the non-CP format offers the most competitive platform and in a 4v4v4 format that's what is needed to keep battlegrounds relevant. Adding CP in to battlegrounds will extremely complicate something that is an amazing feature currently. It doesn't take much research to find the unkillable builds that litter cyrodill currently, if 10 people can't kill these people, 4v4v1 won't stand much of a chance as well. It just doesn't make sense.

I figured the reason for a push for all or nothing with the cp change was a population issue, that makes sense. However, I believe the pvp population in itself is pretty stagnant and aside from adding battlegrounds to the base game, I don't think this is going to drive up the numbers much, if only temporarily, maybe.

Has there been any consideration in a skill based matching / ranking system? I think this coupled with potentially better rewards would make leaps and bounds difference to increase population and could even increase Non CP PvP interest across the board.

Thanks again for the feedback. @ZOS_GinaBruno

brandonv516 wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

And the ONLY class that can run light armor well is mag sorc.

Period.

Guess you've never played magicka NB like I have then. You are very misinformed.

All magika classes can excel in light armor

Ihatenightblades

Lexxypwns wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To explain this change a bit, we've found (through data and feedback) that the majority of players tend to flock more toward CP-enabled campaigns, so we wanted to open that same selection for Battlegrounds and will be testing it out. We’ve considered adding an option between the two as some of you have suggested, but this would cause the population to become pretty divided and we want to make sure you can join Battlegrounds quickly. All that said, if we find this option simply isn’t popular or there’s a higher preference to have Battlegrounds be non-CP, we’ll simply change it back. Thanks for all the feedback so far!

Appreciate the feedback and shedding some light on this, Gina. I hope that this does gain serious consideration. The answer seems obvious with how populated the CP campaigns are vs Non CP when it comes to cyrodill. I believe that cyrodill players seem to prefer large scale fighting in large groups, whereas, smallscale players want the most challenge and competitiveness. Not to be repetitive, but the non-CP format offers the most competitive platform and in a 4v4v4 format that's what is needed to keep battlegrounds relevant. Adding CP in to battlegrounds will extremely complicate something that is an amazing feature currently. It doesn't take much research to find the unkillable builds that litter cyrodill currently, if 10 people can't kill these people, 4v4v1 won't stand much of a chance as well. It just doesn't make sense.

I figured the reason for a push for all or nothing with the cp change was a population issue, that makes sense. However, I believe the pvp population in itself is pretty stagnant and aside from adding battlegrounds to the base game, I don't think this is going to drive up the numbers much, if only temporarily, maybe.

Has there been any consideration in a skill based matching / ranking system? I think this coupled with potentially better rewards would make leaps and bounds difference to increase population and could even increase Non CP PvP interest across the board.

Thanks again for the feedback. @ZOS_GinaBruno

brandonv516 wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

And the ONLY class that can run light armor well is mag sorc.

Period.

Guess you've never played magicka NB like I have then. You are very misinformed.

All magika classes can excel in light armor

Ya in duels. If more than 2 people ( decent players ) approach you and your in light armor? Ya your done sorry. You might be satisfied with light armor and thats fine. But elitist like myself want to be in bis gear or somewhat bis

Crom_CCCXVI

BG has been a ton of fun this weekend....
--- not looking forward to sheild stacking Sorcs and no death tanks.. half these games will no longer work.

Still can't believe your doing that.

I know, decrease the effects of CP by 90%- that will Work!

Lexxypwns

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To explain this change a bit, we've found (through data and feedback) that the majority of players tend to flock more toward CP-enabled campaigns, so we wanted to open that same selection for Battlegrounds and will be testing it out. We’ve considered adding an option between the two as some of you have suggested, but this would cause the population to become pretty divided and we want to make sure you can join Battlegrounds quickly. All that said, if we find this option simply isn’t popular or there’s a higher preference to have Battlegrounds be non-CP, we’ll simply change it back. Thanks for all the feedback so far!

Appreciate the feedback and shedding some light on this, Gina. I hope that this does gain serious consideration. The answer seems obvious with how populated the CP campaigns are vs Non CP when it comes to cyrodill. I believe that cyrodill players seem to prefer large scale fighting in large groups, whereas, smallscale players want the most challenge and competitiveness. Not to be repetitive, but the non-CP format offers the most competitive platform and in a 4v4v4 format that's what is needed to keep battlegrounds relevant. Adding CP in to battlegrounds will extremely complicate something that is an amazing feature currently. It doesn't take much research to find the unkillable builds that litter cyrodill currently, if 10 people can't kill these people, 4v4v1 won't stand much of a chance as well. It just doesn't make sense.

I figured the reason for a push for all or nothing with the cp change was a population issue, that makes sense. However, I believe the pvp population in itself is pretty stagnant and aside from adding battlegrounds to the base game, I don't think this is going to drive up the numbers much, if only temporarily, maybe.

Has there been any consideration in a skill based matching / ranking system? I think this coupled with potentially better rewards would make leaps and bounds difference to increase population and could even increase Non CP PvP interest across the board.

Thanks again for the feedback. @ZOS_GinaBruno

brandonv516 wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

And the ONLY class that can run light armor well is mag sorc.

Period.

Guess you've never played magicka NB like I have then. You are very misinformed.

All magika classes can excel in light armor

Ya in duels. If more than 2 people ( decent players ) approach you and your in light armor? Ya your done sorry. You might be satisfied with light armor and thats fine. But elitist like myself want to be in bis gear or somewhat bis

Well, math tells you that light armor gives both superior and harder to replace bonuses than heavy on any class that also needs to secure kills. Furthermore, light armor has by far the best selection of unique sets in the game and it's not close. Frankly, if you or your friends need heavy to play magika then not only are you not BiS, you're also probably trash cans.

The damage light armor provides is greater than any magika based damage set in the game gives you btw

Most likely you tried to run light with no utility and got packed up real quick like then ran back to heavy without realizing you're gimping yourself because you refuse to l2p.

BiS builds for all magika classes require 5 light