Old Macdonald had a farm

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

And on that farm was 3 ppl,
Who farmed Kragh divine,
In that farm over 6 hours,
Old Macdonalds farm failed.

Over 30 runs done, with 3 people and even the random 4th was linking loot so over 120 drops and no kragh divine mask XD

Old macdonald starting farming today again, finally the mask drops in divine.... it's a CP 100 who gets it.

All hail RNG.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

To put into perspective:
7 divine visages dropped
6 divine guises

DeadlyRecluse

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

, finally the mask drops in divine.... it's a CP 100 who gets it.

I had the pleasure once of linking a guildie my defending lich resto drop that we was looking for...
...on a level 40ish toon I was taking through for the skill point.

parkham

WELL... why go farming with toons < CP 160

On a more cereal note, I've been farming Darkshade for The Truth - Divines everywhere to be had, but Impenetrable? Nah.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

parkham wrote: »

WELL... why go farming with toons < CP 160

On a more cereal note, I've been farming Darkshade for The Truth - Divines everywhere to be had, but Impenetrable? Nah.

It's the 4th random in group finder, wouldn't be fair to kick him

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

, finally the mask drops in divine.... it's a CP 100 who gets it.

I had the pleasure once of linking a guildie my defending lich resto drop that we was looking for...
...on a level 40ish toon I was taking through for the skill point.

Ouch

Asardes

Just use the heavy. Not such a big DPS loss if you go 6 medium 1 heavy instead of 7 medium.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Asardes wrote: »

Just use the heavy. Not such a big DPS loss if you go 6 medium 1 heavy instead of 7 medium.

I'm going min/max so need that extra weapon crit

Liofa

Wait a bit more ^^ We gonna have retraiting soon !

Lexxypwns

I once did over 400 runs of CoA waiting on a sharp BSW inferno. I feel your pain and wish you luck with your farming

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Liofa wrote: »

Wait a bit more ^^ We gonna have retraiting soon !

2/3 months or more on console.... it's not like BSW infused staff or something unreasonable

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Lexxypwns wrote: »

I once did over 400 runs of CoA waiting on a sharp BSW inferno. I feel your pain and wish you luck with your farming

Thanks, out of 24 possiblities of helm traits, with over 120 drops it's absurd it only drops the one time a CP 100 is there.

Asardes

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Just use the heavy. Not such a big DPS loss if you go 6 medium 1 heavy instead of 7 medium.

I'm going min/max so need that extra weapon crit

It's 2% extra health and stamina vs. 1.5% weapon critical. That extra 2% stamina translates to about 1% more DPS, which is about the same 1.5% crit brings if your group gives you good warhorn rotation (crit multiplier > 1.75). How much are you pulling at this moment?

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Asardes wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Just use the heavy. Not such a big DPS loss if you go 6 medium 1 heavy instead of 7 medium.

I'm going min/max so need that extra weapon crit

It's 2% extra health and stamina vs. 1.5% weapon critical. That extra 2% stamina translates to about 1% more DPS, which is about the same 1.5% crit brings if your group gives you good warhorn rotation (crit multiplier > 1.75). How much are you pulling at this moment?

It's actually 4% health - 2% unduanted and 2% HA passive.

I hadn't done the math but from what I've seen heard, everyone gets the best parses on target skelly with 7 medium.

Plus you get 2% reduced cost.

Lexxypwns

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

I once did over 400 runs of CoA waiting on a sharp BSW inferno. I feel your pain and wish you luck with your farming

Thanks, out of 24 possiblities of helm traits, with over 120 drops it's absurd it only drops the one time a CP 100 is there.

RNG is so bad in this game, it gets really discouraging when you want to try a new build or something and have to farm ages for a chance at it. I understand MMOs are supposed to have time invested development and that's fine but when you could theoretically farm something a million times and not get what you want that's a huge problem and it makes it hard to motivate yourself. I'm wanting to change my overwhelming surge inferno from sharpened to infused but I just can't get motivated to farm a new staff when I can't pinpoint an amount of time. Maybe I get my staff in 3 hours, maybe it takes 80, its the not knowing that makes me not even want to start farming. If I'm 20 runs in and can say "well, this sucks but if I get to 50 runs I'm guaranteed to have what I want" then at least there's a light at the end of the tunnel

At least re-traiting is coming, its too bad we're so far away on consoles or I'd just put all my set farming on hold. The down side is that I've got perfect traits on all but 1 or 2 sets that I want to try/use so its a bit late.

I can't tell you how many people I know that got discouraged by the gear grind and quit or severely reduced their playtime and turned semi-casual

Asardes

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Just use the heavy. Not such a big DPS loss if you go 6 medium 1 heavy instead of 7 medium.

I'm going min/max so need that extra weapon crit

It's 2% extra health and stamina vs. 1.5% weapon critical. That extra 2% stamina translates to about 1% more DPS, which is about the same 1.5% crit brings if your group gives you good warhorn rotation (crit multiplier > 1.75). How much are you pulling at this moment?

It's actually 4% health - 2% unduanted and 2% HA passive.

I hadn't done the math but from what I've seen heard, everyone gets the best parses on target skelly with 7 medium.

Plus you get 2% reduced cost.

I was talking relative to 7 medium. Everyone is too relative. Mathematically there is not much difference. As for the cost reduction 2% won't make or break anything. Unless you have > 1.5K recovery you'll still have to do 2xHA in your rotation to make it work. Time spent farming the "perfect" drop is time wasted not running the really hard content that actually makes you a better player. Unless you have perfect group support and you are pulling > 40K ST consistently there's no way you'll see any difference between parses in 0/7/0 1/5/1 0/6/1 and even then the differences will be 0.5-0.8% (200-350 DPS).

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Asardes wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Just use the heavy. Not such a big DPS loss if you go 6 medium 1 heavy instead of 7 medium.

I'm going min/max so need that extra weapon crit

It's 2% extra health and stamina vs. 1.5% weapon critical. That extra 2% stamina translates to about 1% more DPS, which is about the same 1.5% crit brings if your group gives you good warhorn rotation (crit multiplier > 1.75). How much are you pulling at this moment?

It's actually 4% health - 2% unduanted and 2% HA passive.

I hadn't done the math but from what I've seen heard, everyone gets the best parses on target skelly with 7 medium.

Plus you get 2% reduced cost.

I was talking relative to 7 medium. Everyone is too relative. Mathematically there is not much difference. As for the cost reduction 2% won't make or break anything. Unless you have > 1.5K recovery you'll still have to do 2xHA in your rotation to make it work. Time spent farming the "perfect" drop is time wasted not running the really hard content that actually makes you a better player. Unless you have perfect group support and you are pulling > 40K ST consistently there's no way you'll see any difference between parses in 0/7/0 1/5/1 0/6/1.

I do pull 40k+ ST self buffed, only problem is my bosmer isn't BiS race so I want to squeeze all DPS I can.

I'd rather use velidreth (got in heavy divines) but am not farming for medium.

Maybe it's only a 500 DPS difference between 1 Heavy and medium but I'd like to test both before golding it.

Megabear

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LadyLavina

until his land was seized by the Tamriel DEA for growing certain illicit plants

Skooma, not even once.

Asardes

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Just use the heavy. Not such a big DPS loss if you go 6 medium 1 heavy instead of 7 medium.

I'm going min/max so need that extra weapon crit

It's 2% extra health and stamina vs. 1.5% weapon critical. That extra 2% stamina translates to about 1% more DPS, which is about the same 1.5% crit brings if your group gives you good warhorn rotation (crit multiplier > 1.75). How much are you pulling at this moment?

It's actually 4% health - 2% unduanted and 2% HA passive.

I hadn't done the math but from what I've seen heard, everyone gets the best parses on target skelly with 7 medium.

Plus you get 2% reduced cost.

I was talking relative to 7 medium. Everyone is too relative. Mathematically there is not much difference. As for the cost reduction 2% won't make or break anything. Unless you have > 1.5K recovery you'll still have to do 2xHA in your rotation to make it work. Time spent farming the "perfect" drop is time wasted not running the really hard content that actually makes you a better player. Unless you have perfect group support and you are pulling > 40K ST consistently there's no way you'll see any difference between parses in 0/7/0 1/5/1 0/6/1.

I do pull 40k+ ST self buffed, only problem is my bosmer isn't BiS race so I want to squeeze all DPS I can.

I'd rather use velidreth (got in heavy divines) but am not farming for medium.

Maybe it's only a 500 DPS difference between 1 Heavy and medium but I'd like to test both before golding it.

Golding armor is not really worth it. The difference between purple/gold armor/jewels is much smaller compared to weapons. As for races all stamina ones are within 3% of each other. On a 40K parse that's about 1.2K. So if you can't pull that is not because the race is not right but because the rotation is not right. Therefore time on dummy would be better spent than time spent farming medium divines Kra'gh.

s7732425ub17_ESO

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Just use the heavy. Not such a big DPS loss if you go 6 medium 1 heavy instead of 7 medium.

I'm going min/max so need that extra weapon crit

It's 2% extra health and stamina vs. 1.5% weapon critical. That extra 2% stamina translates to about 1% more DPS, which is about the same 1.5% crit brings if your group gives you good warhorn rotation (crit multiplier > 1.75). How much are you pulling at this moment?

It's actually 4% health - 2% unduanted and 2% HA passive.

I hadn't done the math but from what I've seen heard, everyone gets the best parses on target skelly with 7 medium.

Plus you get 2% reduced cost.

I was talking relative to 7 medium. Everyone is too relative. Mathematically there is not much difference. As for the cost reduction 2% won't make or break anything. Unless you have > 1.5K recovery you'll still have to do 2xHA in your rotation to make it work. Time spent farming the "perfect" drop is time wasted not running the really hard content that actually makes you a better player. Unless you have perfect group support and you are pulling > 40K ST consistently there's no way you'll see any difference between parses in 0/7/0 1/5/1 0/6/1.

I do pull 40k+ ST self buffed, only problem is my bosmer isn't BiS race so I want to squeeze all DPS I can.

I'd rather use velidreth (got in heavy divines) but am not farming for medium.

Maybe it's only a 500 DPS difference between 1 Heavy and medium but I'd like to test both before golding it.

LOL.

Spends all this time trying to get best in slot gear.

Other people tell him not to worry about it because it's a waste of time for 0.5% gain.

OP says that he's a min maxer and wants to be perfect.

OP says he's a Bosmer.

/thread.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Just use the heavy. Not such a big DPS loss if you go 6 medium 1 heavy instead of 7 medium.

I'm going min/max so need that extra weapon crit

It's 2% extra health and stamina vs. 1.5% weapon critical. That extra 2% stamina translates to about 1% more DPS, which is about the same 1.5% crit brings if your group gives you good warhorn rotation (crit multiplier > 1.75). How much are you pulling at this moment?

It's actually 4% health - 2% unduanted and 2% HA passive.

I hadn't done the math but from what I've seen heard, everyone gets the best parses on target skelly with 7 medium.

Plus you get 2% reduced cost.

I was talking relative to 7 medium. Everyone is too relative. Mathematically there is not much difference. As for the cost reduction 2% won't make or break anything. Unless you have > 1.5K recovery you'll still have to do 2xHA in your rotation to make it work. Time spent farming the "perfect" drop is time wasted not running the really hard content that actually makes you a better player. Unless you have perfect group support and you are pulling > 40K ST consistently there's no way you'll see any difference between parses in 0/7/0 1/5/1 0/6/1.

I do pull 40k+ ST self buffed, only problem is my bosmer isn't BiS race so I want to squeeze all DPS I can.

I'd rather use velidreth (got in heavy divines) but am not farming for medium.

Maybe it's only a 500 DPS difference between 1 Heavy and medium but I'd like to test both before golding it.

LOL.

Spends all this time trying to get best in slot gear.

Other people tell him not to worry about it because it's a waste of time for 0.5% gain.

OP says that he's a min maxer and wants to be perfect.

OP says he's a Bosmer.

/thread.

4% stam difference with redguard only difference is very minuscule.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Asardes wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Just use the heavy. Not such a big DPS loss if you go 6 medium 1 heavy instead of 7 medium.

I'm going min/max so need that extra weapon crit

It's 2% extra health and stamina vs. 1.5% weapon critical. That extra 2% stamina translates to about 1% more DPS, which is about the same 1.5% crit brings if your group gives you good warhorn rotation (crit multiplier > 1.75). How much are you pulling at this moment?

It's actually 4% health - 2% unduanted and 2% HA passive.

I hadn't done the math but from what I've seen heard, everyone gets the best parses on target skelly with 7 medium.

Plus you get 2% reduced cost.

I was talking relative to 7 medium. Everyone is too relative. Mathematically there is not much difference. As for the cost reduction 2% won't make or break anything. Unless you have > 1.5K recovery you'll still have to do 2xHA in your rotation to make it work. Time spent farming the "perfect" drop is time wasted not running the really hard content that actually makes you a better player. Unless you have perfect group support and you are pulling > 40K ST consistently there's no way you'll see any difference between parses in 0/7/0 1/5/1 0/6/1.

I do pull 40k+ ST self buffed, only problem is my bosmer isn't BiS race so I want to squeeze all DPS I can.

I'd rather use velidreth (got in heavy divines) but am not farming for medium.

Maybe it's only a 500 DPS difference between 1 Heavy and medium but I'd like to test both before golding it.

Golding armor is not really worth it. The difference between purple/gold armor/jewels is much smaller compared to weapons. As for races all stamina ones are within 3% of each other. On a 40K parse that's about 1.2K. So if you can't pull that is not because the race is not right but because the rotation is not right. Therefore time on dummy would be better spent than time spent farming medium divines Kra'gh.

Yes but I told you I do pull over 40k self buffed, my rotation is solid and consistent.

Regarding golding armour - in most cases that's true but I have the gold and mats so why not? That's what it's used for.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

I once did over 400 runs of CoA waiting on a sharp BSW inferno. I feel your pain and wish you luck with your farming

Thanks, out of 24 possiblities of helm traits, with over 120 drops it's absurd it only drops the one time a CP 100 is there.

RNG is so bad in this game, it gets really discouraging when you want to try a new build or something and have to farm ages for a chance at it. I understand MMOs are supposed to have time invested development and that's fine but when you could theoretically farm something a million times and not get what you want that's a huge problem and it makes it hard to motivate yourself. I'm wanting to change my overwhelming surge inferno from sharpened to infused but I just can't get motivated to farm a new staff when I can't pinpoint an amount of time. Maybe I get my staff in 3 hours, maybe it takes 80, its the not knowing that makes me not even want to start farming. If I'm 20 runs in and can say "well, this sucks but if I get to 50 runs I'm guaranteed to have what I want" then at least there's a light at the end of the tunnel

At least re-traiting is coming, its too bad we're so far away on consoles or I'd just put all my set farming on hold. The down side is that I've got perfect traits on all but 1 or 2 sets that I want to try/use so its a bit late.

I can't tell you how many people I know that got discouraged by the gear grind and quit or severely reduced their playtime and turned semi-casual

Yes this is true, I've done similar and like you say I'd rather not wait months for certain things.

But I think for infused BoP weapons like overwhelming surge it's prob best to hold off.

code65536

The DPS difference between 7M and 6M/1H is so low that you likely couldn't even measure it reliably--it'd get lost in the background noise of combat RNG.

But the 4% extra health from doing 1H is well worth it in vet trials that have high incoming damage like vHoF (and if you're a nightblade, the longer Shadow Barrier duration makes a difference, too).

I would actually prefer 6M/1H over 7M. Negligible DPS difference for a more robust build.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

code65536 wrote: »

The DPS difference between 7M and 6M/1H is so low that you likely couldn't even measure it reliably--it'd get lost in the background noise of combat RNG.

But the 4% extra health from doing 1H is well worth it in vet trials that have high incoming damage like vHoF (and if you're a nightblade, the longer Shadow Barrier duration makes a difference, too).

I would actually prefer 6M/1H over 7M. Negligible DPS difference for a more robust build.

Yes I know the positives, 6m 1H better for VMA imo too.

I'd just like to test the 7m and 6m 1h to see the difference.

I'll do 5 tests on each set, if it ever drops.

Queo

... There was preview with the new DLC about being able to switch traits on farmed gears... soooo

Loc2262

That's why I generally don't farm weapons. A bit of RNG is fine, but being subjected that extremely to RNG luck, having to run the same boring thing hundreds of times... No, I'd probably lose interest in the game altogether.

So I use crafted or affordable overland weapons if required. Never dungeon weapons. Only exception is if I get them by chance during a routine run. Good thing the difference between "BiS" dungeon weapons and the next best crafted/overland option is small enough to not bother me.

Of course with the upcoming re-traiting this might change to some degree.