Do you experience cheating in PVP?

Skoomah

Yes. Frequently.

As of 9/22, 50% of respondents experience cheating at least once in a while, and 25% experience it all the time. What's the point of balancing the game when people just straight up cheat.

IMO, pvp is end game for ESO. That's why a lot of long time players have quit. What's the point if the most enjoyable part of the game is also the most busted.

OdinForge

ShadowProc wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

This thread is a great way to see how many sore losers there are (sorrry solar! )

Video evidence of cheating has not been posted since they changed the API to block cheat engine. With all of the streamers and recorders around, it should be easy to find some proof.. but it doesn't exist.

There are a few exploits in the game, such as using fire rune in the BGs to knock someone into insta death via spawn protection environment damage, but sadly that's not what people are ever referring to when they say they are victims of cheating.

People always need excuses for why they lost. Some people refuse to ever take personal accountability.

You're welcome to post a recent video to prove me wrong. But you won't, because it doesn't exist.

What exactly do you expect to see in a video @Thogard? The only "videos" posted before featured brave souls looking for vigilante justice since ZOS refused to take action for SOOOooOo long. Cheat Engine and memory hacking in general are alive and well in ESO. They have literally done nothing to stop it.

they fixed the memory hack issues (cheat engine) when they made all of the regen and resource amounts server side rather than client side.

it would be pretty easy to prove though. just show someone using a channeled ability that goes through faster than it should, or show someone violating the 1s global cooldown, or show somoene chain casting ultimates.

Not to mention..

They also implemented a system that issues temp bans to memory hacking attempts. But yeah ironically they actually did fix CE as the result of a video posted about it, a video that got enough traction before ZOS tried to cover it up.

But it was too late as too many people were successfully made aware of it, and the ensuing chaos made ZOS address it. *** way to get ZOs to fix things, but it got the job done.

Whats amazing is that after all these years that there are some like you two who think Zos all of a sudden got thier act together. It was another bandaid.

THEY DID NOT FIX ANYTHING. It was a minor setback. It was a great 2 weeks when all of a sudden the great almighty 1 v xers were actually pretty easy kills.

But zos cant keep up with them because honestly they dont care about pvp anymore. Look at the responses they make to pvp threads compared to pve.

But hey maybe your right. They finally figured it out! Lol.

If you actually paid attention during the CE weekend and got informed on what was happening, you'd know they changed a lot in the game to prevent that type of memory hacking. And as I said they did indeed implement a ban system, just because they aren't banning everyone that 1vX's you doesn't mean they didn't work on the issue at hand.

There will always be people who blame defeat on cheating, but no one gives a *** what you think unless you can prove it's happening. Like we all did when CE was exposed last year and fixed, that's how this works.

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Jaxaxo

No.

As of 9/22 50% of respondents think they didn't experience any type of cheating. 50% of respondents think they experienced it at least once, part of this were accidents before CE weekend (which @OdinForge metioned). What's the point of doing such survey when most of ppl dont have enough knowledge about game mechanics (and im not talking about abusing current bugs)?

Rianai

No.

Skoomah wrote: »

As of 9/22, 50% of respondents experience cheating at least once in a while, and 25% experience it all the time. What's the point of balancing the game when people just straight up cheat.

IMO, pvp is end game for ESO. That's why a lot of long time players have quit. What's the point if the most enjoyable part of the game is also the most busted.

50% People think they experience cheating, that's not the same as lots of people actually cheating ...

Wrong accusations happen all the time, which makes it hard to take those "omfg, *** cheaters everywhere" players serious, even if they might be right in a few occasions.

thedude33

Yes, most definitely. Last week we were doing vet dungeons. That takes my total concentration. Next thing I know I hear a yell ...SPECIAL DELIVERY" !!

I ran out of the room to see wth it was. Found my wife with the mailman wearing nothing but a smile and holding a parcel.

So yea, I have experienced cheating while playing ESO

Bam_Bam

No.

Gedalya wrote: »

In my experience the term "Cheating" is used heavily by players in PvP; often it is simply slander against a player who is doing well by a player who is frustrated and struggling with some aspect of PvP. I've been playing since beta and there is no shortage of this type of behavior; "Oh player X is cheating. It's not possible to get that much AP so fast." Blah Blah Blah. And I'm a pickle.

This. I think the people who are obssessed with 'cheats' sometimes need to take a look at themselves, realise they simply were beaten by a better player. Suck it up, and keep practising.

That's what I have always told myself. Ummmm I still suck, but its my fault, not a load of imagined cloak and dagger nonsense.

Thogard

No.

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Most cheating accusations are basically, "That one guy 1vXed 5+ people and is unkillable, he must be cheating!!"

Then I go find the guy and kill him, stalemate him, or discover that (s)he's actually really good and kills me instead.

It really can't be overstated how important a decent gear and skill setup is, but it really comes down to each player to execute it properly. Maybe with all the addons telling people to dodge, or the reticle lock targeting, or whatever you want to blame leads people to think ESO doesn't require skill... but it is very possible to be good or bad at this game, and no matter how good you think you are, someone can always be better at it than you are.

@Drummerx04
What is this reticle lock targeting? You mean the tab targeting that lets you see someone through walls and is an intended feature? Or is there a way to actually "aimbot" your cursor over someone in particular so they're always targeted?

Rohamad_Ali

What matters most is if a player base feels the game they are playing has integrity . When a game has good Devs that work hard to keep game play fair , those games thrive . Just ask yourself if ESO PVP is thriving . Is it ?

Drummerx04

No.

Thogard wrote: »

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Most cheating accusations are basically, "That one guy 1vXed 5+ people and is unkillable, he must be cheating!!"

Then I go find the guy and kill him, stalemate him, or discover that (s)he's actually really good and kills me instead.

It really can't be overstated how important a decent gear and skill setup is, but it really comes down to each player to execute it properly. Maybe with all the addons telling people to dodge, or the reticle lock targeting, or whatever you want to blame leads people to think ESO doesn't require skill... but it is very possible to be good or bad at this game, and no matter how good you think you are, someone can always be better at it than you are.

@Drummerx04
What is this reticle lock targeting? You mean the tab targeting that lets you see someone through walls and is an intended feature? Or is there a way to actually "aimbot" your cursor over someone in particular so they're always targeted?

I'm just referring to the soft lock aiming system used by ESO, where the target near your reticle is highlighted and the focus of all your skills. It removes a certain amount of the skill linked to shooters like timing and precise aiming.

Basically, strafing doesn't work in this game.

Thogard

No.

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Most cheating accusations are basically, "That one guy 1vXed 5+ people and is unkillable, he must be cheating!!"

Then I go find the guy and kill him, stalemate him, or discover that (s)he's actually really good and kills me instead.

It really can't be overstated how important a decent gear and skill setup is, but it really comes down to each player to execute it properly. Maybe with all the addons telling people to dodge, or the reticle lock targeting, or whatever you want to blame leads people to think ESO doesn't require skill... but it is very possible to be good or bad at this game, and no matter how good you think you are, someone can always be better at it than you are.

@Drummerx04
What is this reticle lock targeting? You mean the tab targeting that lets you see someone through walls and is an intended feature? Or is there a way to actually "aimbot" your cursor over someone in particular so they're always targeted?

I'm just referring to the soft lock aiming system used by ESO, where the target near your reticle is highlighted and the focus of all your skills. It removes a certain amount of the skill linked to shooters like timing and precise aiming.

Basically, strafing doesn't work in this game.

Are you on console or PC?

I'm in PC and it absolutely works against me. It's my biggest weakness but at my age I'm starting to think I'll never be able to get back to the mouse-targeting precision that I had playing CS 1.5 back when I was 18.

Watching console vids it doesn't seem to be as much of a problem for them, I'm guessing that's because people aren't capable of the instant >90 degree turns that you can pull off with a mouse. Enemy movement seems smoother and more predictable, but at the same time I'm sure targeting them is harder than it would be with a mouse.

Dredlord

Yes. Frequently.

ManDraKE wrote: »

we are talking about CHEATING. Bugs, glitches and exploits are not cheats.

It's really satisfying to see a cheater admit it like this...

Valencer

You have a game with a (previously) pretty complex combat system and then you market said game to "You are the dovahkiin. Everything you do is awesome" roleplayers.

Result is threads like these

Derra

No.

Valencer wrote: »

You have a game with a (previously) pretty complex combat system and then you market said game to "You are the dovahkiin. Everything you do is awesome" roleplayers.

Result is threads like these

They ironically managed to make the game more complex over time in attempt to alleviate the issues those players were facing.

Stacking costs. Regen penalties. Actual hardcounter menchanics. The game is now harder to play and requires more knowledge than it ever did imo.

They sure managed to bring everybody down and make the game feel more limited for players who experienced it from the beginning - but in the process they´ve replaced the stairs you could eventually climb and learn from with a free climbing wall that has people already at the top throwing rocks at you.

Arthg

Yes. Once in a while.

You can't prove cheating is going on.
But it's also a logical impossibility to prove cheating is not going on, and ZOS' policy regarding cheating in the past has been disastrous (cf. the shooting-star-spamming fest on NA PC last year).

My stance is to just have fun and by all means not take this game seriously.
I accept I can be outplayed, and simply walk away (if I can! LOL) from the occasional fishy stuff I might witness (and quite frankly, I've seen more funky stuff with HotR but heh, what do I know).

amir412

No.

PVP reached to the point where u cant kill a decent player without animation cancel fine skills.