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Guild bank funds

AAA Had Enough
AAA Had Enough
Soul Shriven
Recently guilds have decided that members are not entitled to see how much gold the guild has, how much they bid on a trader or any say in what they spend members money on. Guilds are handing gold to select members to buy houses etc. All members should be allowed to know what the guild is doing with the gold they get from members and sales. Like any organisation people join said organisation has an obligation to it's members to be open about everything the guild is doing especially when it comes to money. (any feedback would be appreciated)
  • Betheny
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    Leave that guild and join another where people don't get free houses?
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  • MLGProPlayer
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    Guilds didn't decide on this change, ZOS did, and it's a good one.

    It prevents spies from rival trade guilds from infiltrating a guild just to see how much gold it has in the guild bank (even though most trade guilds keep their gold with guild leaders).

    The only thing I miss is seeing in the guild tab whether I deposited my gold. Members no longer have access to that information. That's a problem because the guild bank is bugged, and every now and then, the gold you deposit disappears and doesn't make it into the guild bank (while being deducted from your account).
    Edited by MLGProPlayer on September 14, 2017 4:09AM
  • AAA Had Enough
    AAA Had Enough
    Soul Shriven
    All the big guilds are doing this ie; hiding money and spending habits from members. ESO should remove the option from guild to hide what they are doing. They want it to be realistic then make it open
  • AAA Had Enough
    AAA Had Enough
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    PS ty for the reply
  • AAA Had Enough
    AAA Had Enough
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    In the last year guild leaders and officers have taken/stole all the money from numerous guilds so who are the spies and trolls, I would rather lose the trader once in awhile then have them hide everything from members
  • Betheny
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    In the last year guild leaders and officers have taken/stole all the money from numerous guilds so who are the spies and trolls, I would rather lose the trader once in awhile then have them hide everything from members

    Guild spies are a thing. Members don't need to know how much is being spent on the trader so long as they're getting one that's good enough for the amount of money you're giving them to support that trade guild.
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  • radiostar
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    Yeah, plus I buy the raffles and never won anything, LOL
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  • Chronicburn
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    Well if there was an auction house guilds wouldn't have the traders to hold over crafters heads now would they?
  • Niobium
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    Well if there was an auction house guilds wouldn't have the traders to hold over crafters heads now would they?

    If there was one, central Auction House I can just imagine the sheer amount of price gouging that would go on - above and beyond what is already there. Right now having to travel to a hundred different traders prevents some of it.. put it all in one place and heck, even I could monopolize a market on something without moving. Imagine what those with 8 digits worth of gold in their bank could do.

    But on topic, yes - gold in guild banks was hidden to prevent spies from seeing trade bids and such. It's a good move, I have no need to see what my guild spends on traders and nor does anyone aside from the leadership.

    If you're unhappy in your current guilds because of what you believe (either rightly or wrongly, I've no idea), then changing guilds is probably your best action. If those are the types of people you're in a guild with, do you really want to be there? Even if you could see the money?
  • kargen27
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    Well if there was an auction house guilds wouldn't have the traders to hold over crafters heads now would they?

    True but three or four players could control the market on many rare items. Better to stick with the traders.
  • lnsane
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    It's not something that guilds just decided out the blue, it's a new option they can use that was added with Update 15 (or around that time). And it doesn't necessarily apply to all members either, unless the guild wants it to. It is guild rank specific. If this bothers you, I suggest finding a guild where you'll have a rank that does allow you to see the gold in the guild bank. Although I don't understand why this would bother any non-officer(ish?) member.. I have never run into the shady ordeals you described, nor have I ever talked to anyone who has. Until that time I say it's conjecture, at best.

    Also, guilds are not organisations that have obligations to their members. This is not your RL bank or health insurance agency, it is a game. Anyone can join or leave a guild at any time, and if you feel the current guilds don't offer what you're seeking then you can always choose to create one yourself.
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  • VampiricByNature
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    In my main large guild on ps4, the gm turns off the option to see on Sunday so no one knows what the bid is. On Monday she turns it back on so everyone can see deposits and withdrawals as people donate and raffle money is put in. Etc etc.

    I like that no one can spy on our bids anymore.
  • Turelus
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    OP ask yourself this. Are you getting what you want out of that guild for the money you invest?
    • Yes: Who cares what happens with the money, you're getting your value.
    • No: Find one where the answer is yes.

    It's really this simple. You could even start your own guild and have an open poly showing what gold you make and how you spend it. Do monthly economic reports for your guild even.
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  • Yarlenzey
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    Certain guilds and their senior members are manipulating this game for their own, real-world benefit.
    These people ask for donations, demand minimum sales targets, take a fee for listings and then do absolutely nothing to promote guild sales

    To retaliate:
    • Don't sweat minimum sales targets.
    • Don't donate.
    • Change guilds often.
    • Don't buy mats

    They need you more than you need them. How much did you pay for those items you looted again?

    I have come across one (and only one) guild that offers a great balance between being a trading guild and a vibrant social guild.

    I am entitled to a working product, if that's what I paid for.
  • Sevn
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    It was simple for me, I just stopped my weekly donation of 10k to that particular guild assuming they have way more than they actually need if hiding it from members is deemed necessary.
  • Turelus
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    Sevn wrote: »
    It was simple for me, I just stopped my weekly donation of 10k to that particular guild assuming they have way more than they actually need if hiding it from members is deemed necessary.
    Again as other have said the hiding is not always for shady reasons it's because of bidding war spies.

    You just needed someone online watching the banks when bids happened to see how much money left the bank to know how much +1 to bid for the trader. On PC there were even add-on's which told you.
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  • Epona222
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    In my main large guild on ps4, the gm turns off the option to see on Sunday so no one knows what the bid is. On Monday she turns it back on so everyone can see deposits and withdrawals as people donate and raffle money is put in. Etc etc.

    I like that no one can spy on our bids anymore.

    Yeah that's what I do for my guild - it's turned off for a few hours until after trader switchover, then I turn it back on again.
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  • Orjix
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    I don't see any problem with this, just like any company you work for they have no need to tell you everything, there is no need for you to know how much they spend on a trader. It in no way diminishes or enhances you experiance
  • Orjix
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    Yarlenzey wrote: »
    Certain guilds and their senior members are manipulating this game for their own, real-world benefit.
    These people ask for donations, demand minimum sales targets, take a fee for listings and then do absolutely nothing to promote guild sales

    To retaliate:
    • Don't sweat minimum sales targets.
    • Don't donate.
    • Change guilds often.
    • Don't buy mats

    They need you more than you need them. How much did you pay for those items you looted again?

    I have come across one (and only one) guild that offers a great balance between being a trading guild and a vibrant social guild.

    If the guild doesn't take taxes, doesn't have a sales target, or require a small weekly fee, how in Nirn are they going to be able to afford a good trader?
  • Reverb
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    Like any organisation people join said organisation has an obligation to it's members to be open about everything the guild is doing especially when it comes to money. (any feedback would be appreciated)

    Plenty of people will pick apart what you've said in your OP, so I'll just focus on this one piece. Joining an organization does not obligate them to tell you everything they are doing, financially or otherwise. Joining a gym does not obligate them to disclose their investments or expenses to you. If you join the mob, they will not be open about everything they are doing. If you join the military, they will not tell you anything other than what they think you need to know. If you join a credit union, they will not be open with you about other members' money.

    If you have problems with your guild, leave and find one better aligned with your expectations. If your expectation is that a guild not protect themselves against bid spies, you can rule out any top trade guilds, but there are plenty of other guild types that will better suit you.
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  • DeadlyRecluse
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    1. Find better guilds.

    There is no step 2.
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  • Danksta
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    I have told GMs to not tell everyone (including myself) how much they are bidding on traders. You're just asking to lose your bid by doing so.
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