Should ZOS add an additional free crown crate to the ESO+ Package?

TaintedKurse

This is in response to a thread I made a while back. I thought it would be more productive to create a poll.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/368358/adding-a-free-crown-crate-to-your-monthly-eso-rewards#latest

I think adding a free crown crate to the ESO+ package would a cost efficient way for ZOS to increase ESO+ sales and to make collectibles with the crown germs more purchasable.

I also think it would be a good idea to make the free crown crate a reward for reoccurring subscribers to incentivize people to stay subbed. However, I am open to both ideas. It would probably be less confusing to just make it a permanent addition to the package.

It would encourage crown crate sales as people saved and approached items they want, and it would make the ESO+ package more appealing.

On top of this, I think it would be a good way to replace something we lost when the ESO+ rewards program was taken away. Players who subscribe will now once again have a chance at limited and unique collectibles through there subscription. I honestly really liked the rewards program but, this would be an easy way to mitigate an incentive we lost that I think should be present.

Once again just to be clear. We are talking about adding a single crown crate to the current benefits. NOT, replacing our current benefits with a crown crate...

What do you think people? Please leave your reasoning if you can.

Turelus

I guess the question is whether this will actually make more people sub.

Those subbed already aren't really demanding this to the level it's needed to retain subscribers and it it won't attract new ones is it worth them doing. Also as the argument always goes technically you get free crates each month via the crowns with the sub.

That's my cynical view any way.

SydneyGrey

Giving people more crowns per month is a better way to encourage subscriptions. Just one crown crate isn't going to do anything, I don't think.

TaintedKurse

ZOS should add a single crown crate to the monthly rewards for ESO+ Subscribers

Turelus wrote: »

I guess the question is whether this will actually make more people sub.

Those subbed already aren't really demanding this to the level it's needed to retain subscribers and it it won't attract new ones is it worth them doing. Also as the argument always goes technically you get free crates each month via the crowns with the sub.

That's my cynical view any way.

I think it honestly would for a lot of the people that are on the fence about purchasing it. I feel like lately people haven't been feeling like there getting there moneys worth with those 1500 crowns and that by adding an additional crown crate they would be increasing the value at very little loss to them. As well as introducing people to the crates, and giving subscribers a shot at unique cosmetics again.

Kendaric

ZOS should not offer a free crown crate to ESO+ Subscribers in any form

It's bad enough that we have the scam crates already. I don't want to see them added as ESO+ rewards, ever.

TaintedKurse

ZOS should add a single crown crate to the monthly rewards for ESO+ Subscribers

Kendaric wrote: »

It's bad enough that we have the scam crates already. I don't want to see them added as ESO+ rewards, ever.

If you refuse to pay for them why wouldn't you at least want free crate so you have an opportunity to use that content?

I mean i don't like them and I don't buy them. However, that doesn't mean I don't want any of the content inside them.

This would be a way to give players like you an me a shot at those items

supaskrub

ZOS should not offer a free crown crate to ESO+ Subscribers in any form

Two reasons,

1) I feel i get good value for my sub as it is.
2) Let the player decide what and how they spend their "subbed" crowns, if they want to choose crates then all well and good. Adding a free monthly crate doesn't seem much to most people but for a minority who may have a gambling addiction one free crate could lead to hardship throwing good money at obviously weighted rng.

More crowns would be a better option (though like i say i think i get decent value anyway) as the player is given a concious choice how to use them, free crates are itching to be opened and would be an irresponsible move by ZOS in my opinion.

TaintedKurse

ZOS should add a single crown crate to the monthly rewards for ESO+ Subscribers

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Giving people more crowns per month is a better way to encourage subscriptions. Just one crown crate isn't going to do anything, I don't think.

I think another way would be to double the questing slots of plus subscribers to make it easier for people to do there dailies but, that's another subject. I'm not sure if that would put strain on the server but, I would kill for more questing slots so I don't have to abandon stuff I'm interested in.

However adding a crown crate to the package is probably a more realistic way for ZOS to incentivize plus without hurting the value of the crown.

Kendaric

ZOS should not offer a free crown crate to ESO+ Subscribers in any form

TaintedKurse wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

It's bad enough that we have the scam crates already. I don't want to see them added as ESO+ rewards, ever.

If you refuse to pay for them why wouldn't you at least want free crate so you have an opportunity to use that content?

I mean i don't like them and I don't buy them. However, that doesn't mean I don't want any of the content inside them.

This would be a way to give players like you an me a shot at those items

No, I still don't want the crates, at least not until they give us a way to either delete or convert all unwanted items (including collectibles) in them. I haven't even opened the free one the came with Morrowind.

TaintedKurse

ZOS should add a single crown crate to the monthly rewards for ESO+ Subscribers

Kendaric wrote: »

TaintedKurse wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

It's bad enough that we have the scam crates already. I don't want to see them added as ESO+ rewards, ever.

If you refuse to pay for them why wouldn't you at least want free crate so you have an opportunity to use that content?

I mean i don't like them and I don't buy them. However, that doesn't mean I don't want any of the content inside them.

This would be a way to give players like you an me a shot at those items

No, I still don't want the crates, at least not until they give us a way to either delete or convert all unwanted items (including collectibles) in them. I haven't even opened the free one the came with Morrowind.

You can already do that. They allow to convert all the crap consumable and repeats into crown gems. So in a sense you could slowly just rack up crown gems and buy what you want.

That's what I already do and have done with the free ones they give us every now and then anyways. Its the smartest way to actually get what you want and with free crates that method would be more plausible. So people don't have to gamble.

TaintedKurse

ZOS should add a single crown crate to the monthly rewards for ESO+ Subscribers

supaskrub wrote: »

Two reasons,

1) I feel i get good value for my sub as it is.
2) Let the player decide what and how they spend their "subbed" crowns, if they want to choose crates then all well and good. Adding a free monthly crate doesn't seem much to most people but for a minority who may have a gambling addiction one free crate could lead to hardship throwing good money at obviously weighted rng.

More crowns would be a better option (though like i say i think i get decent value anyway) as the player is given a concious choice how to use them, free crates are itching to be opened and would be an irresponsible move by ZOS in my opinion.

I mean free crowns could lead to the same thing but, i'm not complaining. I feel like if they added more crowns with how many people that are subbed that it might hurt to value of the crown. However, i'm open to that too. I just feel that a free crate would be a more plausible way to increase its value.

badmojo

ZOS should not offer a free crown crate to ESO+ Subscribers in any form

Why do i want less for my money? Because you want the crate so badly.

TaintedKurse

ZOS should add a single crown crate to the monthly rewards for ESO+ Subscribers

badmojo wrote: »

Why do i want less for my money? Because you want the crate so badly.

You would be getting more for your money

I'm talking about adding a crate to the current benefits.

PurpleDrank

ZOS should not offer a free crown crate to ESO+ Subscribers in any form

Am I the only one who thinks the crates aren't particularly interesting?

supaskrub

ZOS should not offer a free crown crate to ESO+ Subscribers in any form

TaintedKurse wrote: »

supaskrub wrote: »

Two reasons,

1) I feel i get good value for my sub as it is.
2) Let the player decide what and how they spend their "subbed" crowns, if they want to choose crates then all well and good. Adding a free monthly crate doesn't seem much to most people but for a minority who may have a gambling addiction one free crate could lead to hardship throwing good money at obviously weighted rng.

More crowns would be a better option (though like i say i think i get decent value anyway) as the player is given a concious choice how to use them, free crates are itching to be opened and would be an irresponsible move by ZOS in my opinion.

I mean free crowns could lead to the same thing but, i'm not complaining. I feel like if they added more crowns with how many people that are subbed that it might hurt to value of the crown. However, i'm open to that too. I just feel that a free crate would be a more plausible way to increase its value.

yes, but you make a conscious decision how to use them, free crates have only one option..

idk

I would rather keep getting the crowns and keep the double bank space and crafting bag than have a solitary crown crate. Not wanting to give up any part of what I listed and there really is no reason to think Zos will add a crown crate to the mix.

Results for any poll like this are nonsense. They merely show we want more and more but fail to consider reason or logic to the idea. Not even getting into 3 of the 4 choices are for Zos to give us crown crates which is an extremely poor design.

BTW, Zos does provide subs a crown create each month, if we choose it. Easily can be bought with the crowns we get so the thread is not needed. We already have it.

TheRealPotoroo

ZOS should not offer a free crown crate to ESO+ Subscribers in any form

Crown Crates are gambling and the odds are poor. Teaser crates are just temptations to get you on the slippery slope. They should just go away.

Betheny

"A" Crown Crate...?

A *single* Crown Crate?

That's not worth zip to me, I can poop out my own Crown Crates no probs. Would not incentivise me to keep subbing if I was on the edge of choosing not to, so this seems to be a pointless suggestion to me.

PrayingSeraph

ZOS should add a single crown crate to the monthly rewards for ESO+ Subscribers

Wow...so people would rather not have a free crate because of some principled hatred towards them. I'm not sure whether I should respect that or shake my head in cringe at that...

STEVIL

ZOS should not offer a free crown crate to ESO+ Subscribers in any form

voted no because of lack of an "other" option which is akin to saying "obviously nobody else can have better ideas."

i would rather see some number of the crown gems things so that instead of lotto you get the alt currency of the crown store or at least an option to get crowns or gems (in some ratio) as your sub reward. Since they now have two currencies and some items are not really available from just crowns, it seems to me reasonable to offer up both currencies as optional reawrds.

STEVIL

ZOS should not offer a free crown crate to ESO+ Subscribers in any form

PrayingSeraph wrote: »

Wow...so people would rather not have a free crate because of some principled hatred towards them. I'm not sure whether I should respect that or shake my head in cringe at that...

i find it easy to decide on which side - the vote is to deny the benefit to others since they would never have to cash them in. i am not a fan of inflicting your principles on others enjoyment.

i voted no because it would be better imo to get the ability to get gems or crowns or ratio.

BlueViolet

I would rather have a loyalty rewards program of some form, be it for subscribers, or even people who have been playing for years, subbers or not.

esotoon

ZOS should not offer a free crown crate to ESO+ Subscribers in any form

STEVIL wrote: »

i find it easy to decide on which side - the vote is to deny the benefit to others since they would never have to cash them in. i am not a fan of inflicting your principles on others enjoyment.

Simple solution. Instead of giving a free crown crate, increase the amount of crowns that come with ESO+ by the price of a crown crate. Thatt way those opposed to them on principle do not have crown crates forced upon them, and those who aren't can buy a crate. Both sides are happy.

The_Protagonist

ZOS should add a single crown crate to the monthly rewards for ESO+ Subscribers

They should add at least 5 crates for those who have been subscribed forever to their game. That's my take on the matter.

ThePrinceOfBargains

ZOS should not offer a free crown crate to ESO+ Subscribers in any form

They should get rid of this crap entirely.

esotoon

ZOS should not offer a free crown crate to ESO+ Subscribers in any form

I voted no for several reasons.

1. I am against crown crates/loot boxes in computer games. Not only is it encouraging a form of gambling, but it is an insidious, cynical way of companies making money that is having a negative impact on gaming. Just see what's happening with Middle Earth: Shadow of Mordor to see just how bad things have become.

2. It does not offer value for money. No form of gambling does. That's the whole point of it.

3. The collections interface is already a mess, making it hard to quickly select the item you want. As someone who has lots of items, the last thing I want are items I have already chosen *not* to buy foisted on me, making it even more cluttered.

If Crown Crates are truly worth their value, like ZOS claim they are, then instead of this suggestion just give ESO+ members an extra 400 Crowns a month and let them decide how they want to spend it.

RANKK7

Kendaric wrote: »

It's bad enough that we have the scam crates already. I don't want to see them added as ESO+ rewards, ever.

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

Crown Crates are gambling and the odds are poor. Teaser crates are just temptations to get you on the slippery slope. They should just go away.

TheMaster wrote: »

They should get rid of this crap entirely.

Couldn't agree more.

PrayingSeraph

ZOS should add a single crown crate to the monthly rewards for ESO+ Subscribers

esotoon wrote: »

I voted no for several reasons.

1. I am against crown crates/loot boxes in computer games. Not only is it encouraging a form of gambling, but it is an insidious, cynical way of companies making money that is having a negative impact on gaming. Just see what's happening with Middle Earth: Shadow of Mordor to see just how bad things have become.

2. It does not offer value for money. No form of gambling does. That's the whole point of it.

3. The collections interface is already a mess, making it hard to quickly select the item you want. As someone who has lots of items, the last thing I want are items I have already chosen *not* to buy foisted on me, making it even more cluttered.

If Crown Crates are truly worth their value, like ZOS claim they are, then instead of this suggestion just give ESO+ members an extra 400 Crowns a month and let them decide how they want to spend it.

1. Actually its a fair substitute to mandatory subscription fees. MMO's arent cheap to make or maintain. While microtransactions often sucked in other games, they aren't bad in ESO. Comparing it to Shadow of Mordor is a false equivalency. SoM is a primarily single player game where microtransactions are used as paywall cheat codes. Not only this, but it's new multiplayer function is abusable with these microtransactions as well, where people who pay will be able to crush those who dont. ESO is a MMORPG with a microtransaction system that doesnt give gameplay advantages over others. You could pay $1000 in ESO and you'd still be on the same playing field as everyone else.

2.Actually it does, you're getting something you would not have otherwise got with no additional cost. You are not forced to buy any crown crates yourself, and if you do so, you will get items of value or gems.Unlike in real life, you may buy a lottery ticket, but in all likelihood, you will win absolutely nothing.

3. I don't see how this is a logical reason to say no to a additional crown crate. You would be no means obligated to open the collections menu if they were to give you a crown crate. Also, if you think its hard to find something in the collections menu, you must really despise inventories, bank etc.

In regards to your suggestion, they could do it, but that doesn't change the fact that its unreasonable to want the current subscription system to stay the same for everyone instead of increasing in value for what we pay.

phermitgb

ZOS should add a single crown crate to the monthly rewards for ESO+ Subscribers

I found your vote to be limited, as reading it for the first time it occurred to me that there should be at least a few more options for responding...

but, regarding your question - sure, why not. I sub. I have since release...I certainly have no objection to getting free crown crates. I've enjoyed the freebies that they gave away as promos.

however, I still feel the crown crates are an insulting and stupid way to deliver otherwise interesting game items. I have never paid money for a crown crate, and I never will...there are a ton of costumes I'd like, mounts and pets and things that look interesting - I pay for a sub, and this crown crate random crap is the biggest load of *** I can think of...I find them personally insulting, and won't pay a cent for them NOT EVEN WITH MY ACCUMULATED *FREE* CROWNS FROM SUBBING

I only ever buy items from the crown store that AREN'T random - I pay money, I get what I want that the store offers.

I also find all this LIMITED TIME ONLY DISNEY VAULT *** to be...well...***. but that's another complaint

so sure, send me free crates if you want - I won't say no - still won't get me to buy them.

Recremen

ZOS should not offer a free crown crate to ESO+ Subscribers in any form

I'd rather have something I'm actually going to use than something that I've been vehemently against since its announcement.

idk

BlueViolet wrote: »

I would rather have a loyalty rewards program of some form, be it for subscribers, or even people who have been playing for years, subbers or not.

We already have a rewards program for subs. Crafting bag, double bank space and more. It is a reward that keeps on giving. Those who do not sub already get a reward as well. They spend less $$. Purchasing the DLCs is a significant savings and even more so since we only get 2 DLCs a year now.