Bloodroot Forge - Speed Run Bugged

cpuScientist

We completed the dungeon with a qued group in 18 minutes and did not get the speed run. We did not start early no one passed the first camp, or even left the cave until we were ready. What went wrong? Is this bugged for anyone else?

Samwell Slayer

Here are the screen shots:





I can't prove that we didn't start the dungeon three minutes before the first boss (and add pull we skipped and took us about 20 seconds), but you can see there's 17 minutes between starting the first boss and ending the last boss. Would love some clarification on this, thanks.

Masel

Might be a stupid question but... Was it vet?

Qbiken

I think the 20 minute time-mark is way to little. Unless you skip everything and only kill bosses, the speedrun is almost impossible to complete. Why create a speedrun achievement where you´ve to skip 70% of the dungeon to even have a change to complete it??

Tyrion87

I can confirm it. I've already completed it several times in19 minutes and less and haven't got the achiev. It's not bugged for everyone in each case but it seems that sometimes it just doesn't work.

Samwell Slayer

Tyrion87 wrote: »

I can confirm it. I've already completed it several times in19 minutes and less and haven't got the achiev. It's not bugged for everyone in each case but it seems that sometimes it just doesn't work.

Did you use the group finder for the dungeon? This is the only rational we can possibly think of.

Samwell Slayer

Qbiken wrote: »

I think the 20 minute time-mark is way to little. Unless you skip everything and only kill bosses, the speedrun is almost impossible to complete. Why create a speedrun achievement where you´ve to skip 70% of the dungeon to even have a change to complete it??

Achievements aren't supposed to be easy. This is why they are called achievements.

Samwell Slayer

Masel92 wrote: »

Might be a stupid question but... Was it vet?

Yeah, you can see our first group parse is clealy not from a non vet dungeon (2nd one doesn't mean anything due to the way boss breaks into pieces).

beardedblower

@ZOS_GinaBruno new dungeon is bugged on PS4....my group did the speed run twice yesterday as well with no achievement awarded. I want my hat

Can you please give us some feedback about this bug? Multiple people starting to say the same thing on PS4 NA

Tyrion87

Samwell Slayer wrote: »

Tyrion87 wrote: »

I can confirm it. I've already completed it several times in19 minutes and less and haven't got the achiev. It's not bugged for everyone in each case but it seems that sometimes it just doesn't work.

Did you use the group finder for the dungeon? This is the only rational we can possibly think of.

No, it was a pre-made group of my friends and we just ported to the dungeon manually. But maybe it has been fixed already... since then I haven't bothered with this achievement again.

cpuScientist

This has me worried then. Is No death also bugged?

Qbiken

Samwell Slayer wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

I think the 20 minute time-mark is way to little. Unless you skip everything and only kill bosses, the speedrun is almost impossible to complete. Why create a speedrun achievement where you´ve to skip 70% of the dungeon to even have a change to complete it??

Achievements aren't supposed to be easy. This is why they are called achievements.

I´m not questioning the difficulty of Bloodroot forge, I think the difficulty is in a good spot. The issue comes when you´re forced to skip all mobs and only kill bosses in order to get the speed run achievement. No, all achievements aren´t supposed to be easy, but they should never force you to actually skip the majority of the content to get them.

Neither vRoM or vCoS forces you to skip all mobs to get the speed run achievement. Same thing goes for vICP and vWGT. ZOS should make speedrun for vBF to 25 minutes and not 20 minutes.

cpuScientist

Qbiken wrote: »

Samwell Slayer wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

I think the 20 minute time-mark is way to little. Unless you skip everything and only kill bosses, the speedrun is almost impossible to complete. Why create a speedrun achievement where you´ve to skip 70% of the dungeon to even have a change to complete it??

Achievements aren't supposed to be easy. This is why they are called achievements.

I´m not questioning the difficulty of Bloodroot forge, I think the difficulty is in a good spot. The issue comes when you´re forced to skip all mobs and only kill bosses in order to get the speed run achievement. No, all achievements aren´t supposed to be easy, but they should never force you to actually skip the majority of the content to get them.

Neither vRoM or vCoS forces you to skip all mobs to get the speed run achievement. Same thing goes for vICP and vWGT. ZOS should make speedrun for vBF to 25 minutes and not 20 minutes.

Cool, but let's stick it to the point. I created the thread to know if others are getting the same bug, as we are spending our time trying to get these achievements and it seems bugged.

cpuScientist

We have for the second time went back in and got the speed run with time to spare. And again no achievement.

LtBottle

Currently look bugged for my group too. we did really fast runs with no luck, then we timed us.

two runs under 20 mins (from the spawn of the dungeon)

still no luck.

Maybe it's even less then 20 mins?

LtBottle

Ok, we do not get in with group tool and got it.

BTW, we did it in 16 mins also.

so there is a bug, with group tool or with timer.

cpuScientist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67UsIY_Wue0&feature=youtu.be

Take not of when we leave the cave and when we kill the boss, we were through with the final boss with time left on the clock.

@ZOS_TristanK @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_GaryA

Can we get some help with this. This is the second time we have gotten a speed run. And cannot keep taking the groups time if we won't be getting the achievement. Thank you.

RedGirl41

@ZOS_GinaBruno can you guys clarify the speed run challenge??? I'm PS4 na and my group has run it and timed ourselves MULTIPLE times and we still haven't gotten the achievement. Is it bugged?? Dungeon been out for a week. Say something

They host a contest to post screen shots of the hat and skin and yet the speed run is bugged.

Darth_Trumpious

Our group also got in (with group tool) and did not get the achievement.

On the other hand, when we are trying without the group tool, there is a SERIOUS BUG that the crown (group leader), will always become out of sync with other team members before the Stoneheart Boss (he saw himself moving with us but actually he stood at where he died) and therefore unable to proceed. We have tried this in the past 3 hours and it is either NO ACHIEVEMENT with the group tool and OUT OF SYNC without the group tool.

Can you guys take a look into this? It will be pointless if the event is full of bugs.

Thanks for the help @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Batant

Same problem on ps4 Eu server

code65536

My friends and I did a run (on PC/NA, with a pre-made group, wayshrined directly into the dungeon). I had a stopwatch that I started as we passed the first campsite. Took us around 18 minutes from that point to killing the final boss. We successfully got the speed-run achievement.

Then we decided to do it again, to get the achievement on our alts and for one of our other friends. We swapped characters, formed a new group, and basically did the exact same run--same skips, same strategies, same everything. It took 18:02 by my stopwatch, so around the same time, too. We did not get the speed-run achievement this second time through.

We tried it again afterwards, thinking that maybe it was just a fluke, and again, after a run that took around 18 minutes, no achievement was awarded.

So the achievement worked when we ran it with our first set of characters, but once we swapped to another set of characters, the achievement was broken. And each time--the times it worked and the times it didn't--it took around 18 minutes.

@ZOS_Finn @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno There is definitely something strange going on here.



(Also, I agree that 20 minutes for Bloodroot is simply unrealistic. It's fine for Falkreath--we can run Falkreath with no skips and hard mode and still have minutes to spare--but we tried a number of times to do Bloodroot without any skips, and I just don't see how ZOS expects people to do it without any sort of skipping. 25-30 minutes would be far more reasonable than 20 minutes.)

cpuScientist

code65536 wrote: »

My friends and I did a run (on PC/NA, with a pre-made group, wayshrined directly into the dungeon). I had a stopwatch that I started as we passed the first campsite. Took us around 18 minutes from that point to killing the final boss. We successfully got the speed-run achievement.

Then we decided to do it again, to get the achievement on our alts and for one of our other friends. We swapped characters, formed a new group, and basically did the exact same run--same skips, same strategies, same everything. It took 18:02 by my stopwatch, so around the same time, too. We did not get the speed-run achievement this second time through.

We tried it again afterwards, thinking that maybe it was just a fluke, and again, after a run that took around 18 minutes, no achievement was awarded.

So the achievement worked when we ran it with our first set of characters, but once we swapped to another set of characters, the achievement was broken. And each time--the times it worked and the times it didn't--it took around 18 minutes.

@ZOS_Finn @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno There is definitely something strange going on here.



(Also, I agree that 20 minutes for Bloodroot is simply unrealistic. It's fine for Falkreath--we can run Falkreath with no skips and hard mode and still have minutes to spare--but we tried a number of times to do Bloodroot without any skips, and I just don't see how ZOS expects people to do it without any sort of skipping. 25-30 minutes would be far more reasonable than 20 minutes.)

We're you using the que tool or no on these runs?

And I agree Falkreath was over with sooooo much time to spare. Blood root is just skip skip skip, I dislike that. I like bloodroot the dungeon the best but this is getting silly.

code65536

cpuScientist wrote: »

We're you using the que tool or no on these runs?

Pre-made group. We wayshrined in directly. There's no point in using the queue when you have a pre-made group; we always travel in by wayshrine and/or port-to-player.

Drummerx04

code65536 wrote: »

cpuScientist wrote: »

We're you using the que tool or no on these runs?

Pre-made group. We wayshrined in directly. There's no point in using the queue when you have a pre-made group; we always travel in by wayshrine and/or port-to-player.

Can confirm, I was in this group. It sucks to skip all that crap and force a sub 20 minute complete only to get denied. We used the wayshrine to enter the dungeon.

cpuScientist

code65536 wrote: »

cpuScientist wrote: »

We're you using the que tool or no on these runs?

Pre-made group. We wayshrined in directly. There's no point in using the queue when you have a pre-made group; we always travel in by wayshrine and/or port-to-player.

Ahh you get a ton of weapon spell damage lol. Even if it's a full premade.

cpuScientist

This sucks and it's sad.

We have beaten it so many times now and nada. This video was one of our worst runs. And it was still under 20 minutes, and again nothing.

Samwell Slayer

Kind of annoying we put in video evidence and still no response from anybody. At least tell us the bug so know what to avoid or acknowledge it.

code65536

cpuScientist wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

cpuScientist wrote: »

We're you using the que tool or no on these runs?

Pre-made group. We wayshrined in directly. There's no point in using the queue when you have a pre-made group; we always travel in by wayshrine and/or port-to-player.

Ahh you get a ton of weapon spell damage lol. Even if it's a full premade.

No, you do not. This is a common myth.

Yes, I know the character sheet says you have extra spell/weapon damage. But you actually don't. This is pretty easy to verify. Manually port into Spindle 2, light attack the enemy in the lobby with an unenchanted weapon (so you don't contaminate the results with power enchantment procs), see how much you're hitting it for. Then queue into Spindle 2 and repeat. You'll see that despite the character sheet saying you have more SD/WD, you don't actually do any more damage.

The SD/WD boost is a bonus that applies only to characters below level 50 and/or characters that are below CP160. Level 50 CP 160 characters do not actually get the bonus, despite the character sheet suggesting otherwise (it's a bug in the character sheet).

cpuScientist

code65536 wrote: »

cpuScientist wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

cpuScientist wrote: »

We're you using the que tool or no on these runs?

Pre-made group. We wayshrined in directly. There's no point in using the queue when you have a pre-made group; we always travel in by wayshrine and/or port-to-player.

Ahh you get a ton of weapon spell damage lol. Even if it's a full premade.

No, you do not. This is a common myth.

Yes, I know the character sheet says you have extra spell/weapon damage. But you actually don't. This is pretty easy to verify. Manually port into Spindle 2, light attack the enemy in the lobby, see how much you're hitting it for. Then queue into Spindle 2 and repeat. You'll see that despite the character sheet saying you have more SD/WD, you don't actually do any more damage.

The SD/WD boost is a bonus that applies only to characters below level 50 and/or characters that are below CP160. Level 50 CP 160 characters do not actually get the bonus, despite the character sheet suggesting otherwise (it's a bug in the character sheet)./quote]

Gonna test if. But that makes me feel like a badass then. I had some noice deep in there thought it was from the boost.

code65536

4 runs. 2 runs granted achievement. 2 runs did not.

This could be completely wrong, but the 2 runs that did grant the achievement, we did not aggro any of the trash before the first boss (used invis pots). The two runs that did not work, we had accidentally pulled the trash (which we killed in AoE with the first boss).

It could just be a matter of coincidence or just a random fluke, but that was the only common link that I could think of.

cpuScientist

code65536 wrote: »

4 runs. 2 runs granted achievement. 2 runs did not.

This could be completely wrong, but the 2 runs that did grant the achievement, we did not aggro any of the trash before the first boss (used invis pots). The two runs that did not work, we had accidentally pulled the trash (which we killed in AoE with the first boss).

It could just be a matter of coincidence or just a random fluke, but that was the only common link that I could think of.

In our first we stealthed pass them. I guess we'll just keep trying it or something...