Magic sorcs are not op . Sort your build out

Dk_needs_a_buff

Im sick of the million posts saying sorcs are op. Just because you find sorcs for difficult it doesnt mean theyr op. It just means you have the wrong build.
Ouch that hurts doesnt it.

But it's true. Sort your build out and l2p before raging

Drakkdjinn

Dk_needs_a_buff wrote: »

Im sick of the million posts saying sorcs are op. Just because you find sorcs for difficult it doesnt mean theyr op. It just means you have the wrong build.
Ouch that hurts doesnt it.

But it's true. Sort your build out and l2p before raging

Salty shield cheeser exposed.

Dk_needs_a_buff

Oh and btw. I dont play sorc. And if sorcs didnt have shield theyd have 0 survivability. Why do people have such a hard time killing them lol

Biro123

Nerf sorc threads!

Waffennacht

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

Dk_needs_a_buff wrote: »

Im sick of the million posts saying sorcs are op. Just because you find sorcs for difficult it doesnt mean theyr op. It just means you have the wrong build.
Ouch that hurts doesnt it.

But it's true. Sort your build out and l2p before raging

Salty shield cheeser exposed.

You know, your ilk says this about:

Shields
Skoria
Shadowrend
Malubeth
Infernal Guardian
Riposte
Soul Assault
EotS
Panacea
Leap
Cloak
BoL
Healing Thicket
Curse
Pets
Roots

In essence anything magicka and of use

Koolio

I duel a friend with 10 characters the other night. he was a Stam Sorc. And a good player. Lost every time. Doesn't matter the build. Sustain Tanky bursty. Or the class MNB stamblade Templar. Grab my Sorc and beat him a few times. It was almost easy.

I don't care either way. I kill sorcs I get killed by sorcs. Buff my MNB lol.

thankyourat

Waffennacht wrote: »

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

Dk_needs_a_buff wrote: »

Im sick of the million posts saying sorcs are op. Just because you find sorcs for difficult it doesnt mean theyr op. It just means you have the wrong build.
Ouch that hurts doesnt it.

But it's true. Sort your build out and l2p before raging

Salty shield cheeser exposed.

You know, your ilk says this about:

Shields
Skoria
Shadowrend
Malubeth
Infernal Guardian
Riposte
Soul Assault
EotS
Panacea
Leap
Cloak
BoL
Healing Thicket
Curse
Pets
Roots

In essence anything magicka and of use

Magicka is pretty op in general now its pretty much dominating duels and group play. They are going to have to do something to keep stamina relevant in pvp. I think magicka is fine maybe just tone down shield stacking a bit, but i think stamina could use a few buffs especially after proc sets are nerfed

KingJ

Sorc is the strongest class right now to say other wise is a bold face lie.Even sorc admit it.

I have no problem with sorc but to say there not strong is a lie.

Drakkdjinn

Waffennacht wrote: »

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

Dk_needs_a_buff wrote: »

Im sick of the million posts saying sorcs are op. Just because you find sorcs for difficult it doesnt mean theyr op. It just means you have the wrong build.
Ouch that hurts doesnt it.

But it's true. Sort your build out and l2p before raging

Salty shield cheeser exposed.

You know, your ilk says this about:

Shields
Skoria
Shadowrend
Malubeth
Infernal Guardian
Riposte
Soul Assault
EotS
Panacea
Leap
Cloak
BoL
Healing Thicket
Curse
Pets
Roots

In essence anything magicka and of use

And yet, I made claims about 0 out of 16 things on your lil list, just an insinuation at one. Get it?

WhoSlappedThePie

Sorsc are the best in the whole wide world mush

Father_X_Zombie

They are going to get nerfed big time whether we like it or not, Im calling it right now. People have been crying about them since homestead and Zos is going to give in eventually. Its going to be dark brotherhood all over again, nobody is going play them for months until they get a slight buff, then everyone will say they are OP again.

Personally, I don't find them OP. The only nerf I would like to see is the mages fury explosion not insta killing medium armor builds under 20%. Other then that they are fine, I have no problem killing them on any of my other characters.

In fact, my sorcerer is the character I struggle the most with them. Just my opinion

Twohothardware

Shields in general are out of balance because of simply how they allow a light armor wearer to be tanky with no sacrifice to sustain or damage. Medium armor wearers are not tanky and have to go to heavy for greater survivability but in that process lose sustain and damage. There's nothing that forces Shield classes like MagSorc to wear heavy armor for more survivability because they already have max survivability in shields.

CrisXD

I play a mag sorc..absolutely love it! Ive killed many but many have killed me. I think a lot of it is down to the player.

Waffennacht

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

Dk_needs_a_buff wrote: »

Im sick of the million posts saying sorcs are op. Just because you find sorcs for difficult it doesnt mean theyr op. It just means you have the wrong build.
Ouch that hurts doesnt it.

But it's true. Sort your build out and l2p before raging

Salty shield cheeser exposed.

You know, your ilk says this about:

Shields
Skoria
Shadowrend
Malubeth
Infernal Guardian
Riposte
Soul Assault
EotS
Panacea
Leap
Cloak
BoL
Healing Thicket
Curse
Pets
Roots

In essence anything magicka and of use

And yet, I made claims about 0 out of 16 things on your lil list, just an insinuation at one. Get it?

Well...

I still don't think shields are OP, but you have won a place in my heart lol

Solariken

IMO it's actually Healing Ward that is over-performing. I struggle big time with mag users who know how to cast HW at low health and then bury it with a Hardened or Harness. Sorcs are the biggest offenders but magvlades come in a close second.

WaltherCarraway

check my signature.

case closed

leepalmer95

Koolio wrote: »

I duel a friend with 10 characters the other night. he was a Stam Sorc. And a good player. Lost every time. Doesn't matter the build. Sustain Tanky bursty. Or the class MNB stamblade Templar. Grab my Sorc and beat him a few times. It was almost easy.

I don't care either way. I kill sorcs I get killed by sorcs. Buff my MNB lol.

Your sorc counters him thats why.

Can't really dark deal when he's being spammed by crushing shock.

leepalmer95

Solariken wrote: »

IMO it's actually Healing Ward that is over-performing. I struggle big time with mag users who know how to cast HW at low health and then bury it with a Hardened or Harness. Sorcs are the biggest offenders but magvlades come in a close second.

The shield you cast first is the one to come off first.

So if their casting ward first they're doing it wrong.

Minno

Twohothardware wrote: »

Shields in general are out of balance because of simply how they allow a light armor wearer to be tanky with no sacrifice to sustain or damage. Medium armor wearers are not tanky and have to go to heavy for greater survivability but in that process lose sustain and damage. There's nothing that forces Shield classes like MagSorc to wear heavy armor for more survivability because they already have max survivability in shields.

Best part about all this, you can get the similar resistances in LA as you can in HA. Except you dont have to go finding penetration, crit, cost reduction, and regen. But you have to find physical resistance, but luckily we have sources now to gain those resistances.

I'd be surprised if I find myself using a shield anymore in LA with this update.

Stigant

Sorcs are absolutely fine and balanced. I was always mediocre on all my other characters untill I rolled a mag sorc to find out that I am actually a great player who was meant to play sorc since the beginning. Such a loss of time....

JDC1985

Sorcs are very easy to kill the fact is its all about the player I've fought some magsorcs 1000cp+ with 25k shields that I destroyed then ive fought some cp500ish that took 5 mins to kill and I'm on a magplar.

leepalmer95

Most players that seem to cry about sorcs usually don't have a sorc and play some zergy tankys builds.

Morgul667

I dont have troubles killing sorcs

I dont understand what all the fuss is about , and think people need a culprit to blame for their death. Sorc seems to be that guy

If you die in Cyrodill it has to be because of class unbalance right

Emmagoldman

There's a new patch.....why not see what is really performing in open world. Unless you all feel 4 days after a patch is enough time to know haha

Araviel2

Twohothardware wrote: »

Shields in general are out of balance because of simply how they allow a light armor wearer to be tanky with no sacrifice to sustain or damage. Medium armor wearers are not tanky and have to go to heavy for greater survivability but in that process lose sustain and damage. There's nothing that forces Shield classes like MagSorc to wear heavy armor for more survivability because they already have max survivability in shields.

how did you come to this conclusion?
Shields are some of the resource heaviest skills there is.
I could also argue that you sacrifice damage as it is active defense that takes up slots which could be filled with dps skills otherwise.
and also because how resource intensive they are one also has to sacrifice damage in order to sustain them


@Minno you might be on to something.

Drakkdjinn

Waffennacht wrote: »

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

Dk_needs_a_buff wrote: »

Im sick of the million posts saying sorcs are op. Just because you find sorcs for difficult it doesnt mean theyr op. It just means you have the wrong build.
Ouch that hurts doesnt it.

But it's true. Sort your build out and l2p before raging

Salty shield cheeser exposed.

You know, your ilk says this about:

Shields
Skoria
Shadowrend
Malubeth
Infernal Guardian
Riposte
Soul Assault
EotS
Panacea
Leap
Cloak
BoL
Healing Thicket
Curse
Pets
Roots

In essence anything magicka and of use

And yet, I made claims about 0 out of 16 things on your lil list, just an insinuation at one. Get it?

Well...

I still don't think shields are OP, but you have won a place in my heart lol

Drakkdjinn

Emmagoldman wrote: »

There's a new patch.....why not see what is really performing in open world. Unless you all feel 4 days after a patch is enough time to know haha

Silly Rabbit, sorcs don't get patch-nerfed.

That's why I have 3 of them.

O_LYKOS

Love a good salty l2p thread

Biro123

KingJ wrote: »

Sorc is the strongest class right now to say other wise is a bold face lie.Even sorc admit it.

I have no problem with sorc but to say there not strong is a lie.

Strongest? Depends at what.

Strong? Yes, they are strong - especially in the right hands, with certain builds and against certain builds/players.

But the thing is, I don't think anyone is really denying that. Just because someone is defending sorcs in these threads doesn't necessarily mean they are saying they are not strong.
They're often just countering usual amount of totally uninformed BS that is always spouted by the 'nerf-sorc brigade'.

WillhelmBlack

All they need to do is change Curse back to how it was. Shorten the window for Wrath/Fury. Increase the cost of Streak and remove the ridiculous penalty. Everyone is happy.

Biro123

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

All they need to do is change Curse back to how it was..

I have no problem with that. Scoring kills after someone has already escaped is just wrong. (although I don't really understand the fuss as its sooo rare it happens)

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Shorten the window for Wrath/Fury.

Not sure on this. You can see - at 4 seconds, its designed to be cast before curse as part of the burst.. It *could* screw that up for some people.. Makes no difference to my usual DW builds tho since wrath is my spammable.

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Increase the cost of Streak and remove the ridiculous penalty.

I'm not sure that this would actually be a nerf..

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Everyone is happy.

They will NEVER be happy.