Oh. Mazzatun for 6,000 Crowns.

AdicusDio

So they make drop rates intentionally "rare" in areas people often can't/won' finish content, then jack up prices? To put this into perspective, the entire main game + MW cost the same as a motif? And we still can't craft (or get) jewelry for crafted sets, so it's limiting certain motif usefullness even further....


I think it's time for a silent subscription cancelling event to get their attention that we the players are getting fed up. Between arbitrary late-game cycle nerfs, highly unbalanced PvP, PvP focus vs. PvE detriment, rampant price gouging, etc. it's time to send a message.

Nebthet78

AdicusDio wrote: »

So they make drop rates intentionally "rare" in areas people often can't/won' finish content, then jack up prices? To put this into perspective, the entire main game + MW cost the same as a motif? And we still can't craft (or get) jewelry for crafted sets, so it's limiting certain motif usefullness even further....


I think it's time for a silent subscription cancelling event to get their attention that we the players are getting fed up. Between arbitrary late-game cycle nerfs, highly unbalanced PvP, PvP focus vs. PvE detriment, rampant price gouging, etc. it's time to send a message.

It's one of the reasons why I no longer sub and have not purchased the new DLC. Won't be spending real money with ZOS for a while.... maybe a very long while.

AdicusDio

Jeger wrote: »

Whatever allows them to keep the doors open without affecting me is fine. I don't need the motif, and won't pay that much, but if others do, I'm just happy.

Truly, I'm not sure what the issue is. If you think the price is too high, don't buy it, but be glad others do so you can keep playing.

This deluded reasoning apologists spread is sad. This company makes millions a month, and probably grossed a billion+ (there are places that track income) since inception. Games make more $$$$$$$$$ than AAA blockbuster films. If a movie theater charged $50 for a 5 sec. sneak peak clip of the movie you already saw 3 years ago, I highly doubt you'd be like "oh, the movie theater needs to keep the popcorn stand running".... wake up already. Stop being an apologist.

Kay1

It's called hiring Marketing workers with fake titles

They have no clue about making profit and is very sad for someone like me who works in this sector, it looks like they hired a 16 years old to do the Marketing.

max_only

jcaceresw wrote: »

Worse thing is that the motif is not account wide but per character. No thanks, I will keep my money and I don't like the looks.

This. Crown prices would be more reasonable if it unlocked that motif for the account. Like mounts.




I bought Frostcaster and Harlequin from the crown store. To my knowledge, they can't be obtained in game. That is the only reason why I used spare crowns on them.

LadyNalcarya

AdicusDio wrote: »

So they make drop rates intentionally "rare" in areas people often can't/won' finish content, then jack up prices? To put this into perspective, the entire main game + MW cost the same as a motif? And we still can't craft (or get) jewelry for crafted sets, so it's limiting certain motif usefullness even further....


I think it's time for a silent subscription cancelling event to get their attention that we the players are getting fed up. Between arbitrary late-game cycle nerfs, highly unbalanced PvP, PvP focus vs. PvE detriment, rampant price gouging, etc. it's time to send a message.

This particular motif has a 100% drop rate... If you can finish Mazzatun hardmode, of course.

agegarton

The irony is, a more attainable price point would almost certainly mean higher sales, and a greater profit margin. It's a standard economic principle.

Dr.NRG

ArchMikem wrote: »

So, Zenimax? Buddy. I seriously think you guys should finally take a big step back and rethink your pricing strategy for Crown Store items. I'm not going to try and say they should be all dirt cheap, I know you guys need to keep turning a profit. But 6,000 Crowns for the Motif? $55 or so? Especially when Crafted Armor is still a rare vocation in-game because the best sets are still dropped and not crafted? I'm also not going to tell other people how to spend their money, but I'm fairly certain I'm not nearly alone in thinking the majority of us believe this is just outrageous. Why can't all Crafting Motifs be a flat rate? The majority of them are sold for about 2,000 Crowns, why not make it that way for all styles sold in the store and keep it that way?

I mean I personally wouldn't spend Crowns on it due to a certain aesthetic choice that kinda ruins the style for me (why bird skulls? just why?), but even if that weren't the case I still wouldn't cough up another chunk of money that would buy the entire Base Game twice over just for a Crafting Motif that would be sparingly used. Honestly I highly doubt you guys are hurting for cash to warrant pricing things so high anyway.

2k crowns is still insane lol 20 bucks for a motif that you cant even use unelss you are using a non meta or low dps set up.

Synfaer

This is one of the reasons I am having a break from the game.
I drop in the forums from time to time to see if things are changing for the better, but I guess not....

altemriel

the same with limited time offers, that is not nice.




and I am rather not talking about the "gamble" crown crates......

Thrymbauld

I have a hard and fast rule that I use with games.

Way back when subscriptions where the thing, they ran 10-15 dollars a month. When games moved to the micro transaction model, that became my budget--10-15 dollars a month, and on games where it matters, I'll spend the three months at once to get a significantly larger amount of there micro currency as a package, but then no more until that time period has passed.

In this game, I have the subscription. They don't get another dime, period.

As far as pricing goes...yeah, they're a bit much, in my opinion. When I have to weigh a 6k motif versus what else I'd enjoy in this world, including an entire new triple A game, it's really not a hard comparison to make. Hell, for the price of that motif I can take the wife to dinner or fill up the gas tank of my truck or run around on the motorcycle for an entire day plus food/entertainment. Or I could buy modest shoes, pay the bulk of my car insurance, etc, etc. We're literally pushing into territory that these things lie in.

In other words, the transaction isn't a micro anymore. I'd have to have a serious loincloth fetish to part with that kind of coin for something this trivial.

Doctordarkspawn

Seriously, close to or equall to the cost of the base game on release for a motif that makes you look like some nature boy?

ZOS, enough with the drugs and pricegouging. Especially when you can barely keep your game up and running correctly. Fix your ***, provide something of quality, then you can ask for that much.

Asardes

I'm so glad I farmed that motif and made millions from selling the known pages

MakoFore

thats crazy expensive for an old motif thats already in game. their pricing scale is way off.

RANKK7

LOL ZOS marketing department

CastaLyron

Yea I agree completely with OP. When I started playing ESO I thought a bit about buying motifs for ancient elf daedric etc.
A quick search on guild store reveals you can get this thrown at you for almost nothing.
Also pay 1500 crowns to become a vampire.... lol again you can get it for free easily.

As OP mentions please put some thought into the price of things, some of it is just looking like huge scams.

Shardan4968

CastaLyron wrote: »

Yea I agree completely with OP. When I started playing ESO I thought a bit about buying motifs for ancient elf daedric etc.
A quick search on guild store reveals you can get this thrown at you for almost nothing.
Also pay 1500 crowns to become a vampire.... lol again you can get it for free easily.

As OP mentions please put some thought into the price of things, some of it is just looking like huge scams.

If this motif is so easy to get in game, why are you worried about crown store price? They don't force anyone to buy it.

Banana

They need the money for the server.

menedhyn

I guess an alternative way to look at this is whether you think the price represents value for money to you. 6,000 Crowns equates to about £25 or thereabouts. For that, I can visit a second-hand bookshop and walk away with 4-5 books. I get to keep them. They're mine. I'm not paying for the privilege of using them. For me, £25 does not represent value for money for a motif, even for one I quite like the look of. Many others will think differently because what constitutes 'value for money' is so subjective.

I'm also loathe to part with my sub Crowns for pretty much the same reason - just because I have them doesn't mean i'm going to throw them at 'overpriced' items. However, and most importantly for me, I have the DLC. I would rather learn how to run dungeons reasonably well and earn it that way.

Pele

I was interested in buying it when I saw the the ad on login. Then I checked the Crown Store and saw the price. That completely annihilated all the interest I had in buying it.

Eshelmen

Sneakers - $30-$75
Shirt - $20 - $40
Jeans - $20 - $50
Socks - $2 - $4/pair (per day)
Underwear $3 - $12/pair (per day, I hope you change yours on the daily too)
Laundry soap - $1-$20
Electricity for washer and dryer - $N/A
Over time you'll need to rebuy these things again, and again and again.


Just look at it this way, from the hundreds to thousands of hours (don't act like Tamriel isn't your second home!) that we put in to this game - for "$55 or so", you'll have permanently clean attire for the life of your toon!
Not bad!

DRXHarbinger

CastaLyron wrote: »

Yea I agree completely with OP. When I started playing ESO I thought a bit about buying motifs for ancient elf daedric etc.
A quick search on guild store reveals you can get this thrown at you for almost nothing.
Also pay 1500 crowns to become a vampire.... lol again you can get it for free easily.

As OP mentions please put some thought into the price of things, some of it is just looking like huge scams.

You know the biggest ballache back in the day with the Daedric Motif? You could buy it and craft it at any level, good right? But you couldn't actually get Daedra hearts until V9! I made that mistake, was useless for weeks.

OT £40 for a Motif......Na. They aren't expensive now, crazy money.

I always wondered why they cost 50% more than a mount, I mean we need these more and we are far more interested in the aesthetics of them over a motif, I prefer to wear skins and run the towel costume dyed to match to show it off.

You'd think given how greedy ZOS is they'd corner us and charge it the other way around...

WillhelmBlack

Six thousand

ArchMikem

Jeger wrote: »

Whatever allows them to keep the doors open without affecting me is fine. I don't need the motif, and won't pay that much, but if others do, I'm just happy.

Truly, I'm not sure what the issue is. If you think the price is too high, don't buy it, but be glad others do so you can keep playing.

That's not how it works.

Lowering prices encourages more sales, entices more people to pay who were otherwise put off by the original high price. Simple Math. What's better, 100 people paying $100? Or 10,000 people paying $20? ZOS can't rely on the few they know will shell out their wallets for them, that's a bad long term business practice. They need to entice the majority to make purchases.

Also, wow. I actually had a popular opinion for once.

kynseon

I think people would be more motivated to buy these expensive motifs if all BOP items had the ability to change style. It makes no sense to buy the motifs if BiS are BOPs and rarely crafted sets. Either that or lower the price, because no one in their right mind would spend almost $60 bucks to have a motif that cannot be used.

Anne_Firehawk

Dumb as always, noone is gonna buy that.

CastaLyron

Shardan4968 wrote: »

CastaLyron wrote: »

Yea I agree completely with OP. When I started playing ESO I thought a bit about buying motifs for ancient elf daedric etc.
A quick search on guild store reveals you can get this thrown at you for almost nothing.
Also pay 1500 crowns to become a vampire.... lol again you can get it for free easily.

As OP mentions please put some thought into the price of things, some of it is just looking like huge scams.

If this motif is so easy to get in game, why are you worried about crown store price? They don't force anyone to buy it.

Because it just looks like a way to scam newcomers out of their money.

More importantly, why are you not worried about price?
I mean I got plenty of money, but I still wont buy anything if I don't think the value corresponds. I guess that's why I got plenty of money.....

Prof_Bawbag

Shardan4968 wrote: »

You can actually get this motif from Na-Kesh or buy from players. They want 6k crowns because this motif is very hard to farm and really expensive in guild stores. You are paying real money for your laziness and this is good price, because If it was for 2k, everyone would have it and people who spent months on farming mazzatun would come to forums and start complaining like you. Go to mazzatun and stop whinning.

You'd have a very valid point if it weren't for the fact other very easy to obtain motifs have been priced exactly as this "very difficult/expensive" motif is. Don't let that get in the way of your patronising claptrap though.

DMuehlhausen

Remember they are putting in a transmog system. So the motiffs will be worth something again as I'm sure you will be able to change the look of every item in the game.

Shardan4968

CastaLyron wrote: »

Because it just looks like a way to scam newcomers out of their money.

More importantly, why are you not worried about price?
I mean I got plenty of money, but I still wont buy anything if I don't think the value corresponds. I guess that's why I got plenty of money.....

I'm not worried about price, because I will get this motif from Ruins of Mazzatun and from other players. I would be worried If they charge only 2k crowns for it, because then everyone will buy it and farming pages and gold for this motif would be pointless. In my opinion you can pay 6k crowns for all pages and 5 mimic materials not because it's worth it in game, but because you are paying for your laziness. And I think that "newcomers" are not idiots and they can read what motifs really are and how much they need to pay for 6k crowns.

Edit:

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

You'd have a very valid point if it weren't for the fact other very easy to obtain motifs have been priced exactly as this "very difficult/expensive" motif is. Don't let that get in the way of your patronising claptrap though.

Like what? I don't see any easy obtained motif for 6k crowns right now. It's my subjective opinion that Veteran Ruins of Mazzatun are hard and motif pages are expensive, you don't have to agree with me If vRoM are easy for you.