Sotha Sil (EU PC)

Aznox · June 2018

Ahah true i grabbed popcorn 10 posts ago but i've then turned myself to popcorn material

killimandrosb16_ESO · June 2018

@Aznox not that I respect neither sexy squad nor FIST more than Loups. Cyrodiil EU has a couple of good pvp guilds, but theyre at Vivec

Aznox · June 2018

If we're going to rate guilds we are going to need metrics much more defined than "bad/average/good"

What's a good guild ?

- A guild that fills a lineup with highly skilled individual through hard selection ?
- A guild that is able to align 24 man groups everyday and have the most overall impact over the campaign duration ?
- A guild that is able to amount to much more than the sum of it's individual member skill ?
- A guild that is doing pug leading on the side for charity ?

Edit : late realization i might be feeding a troll, sorry

killimandrosb16_ESO · June 2018

Aznox wrote: »

If we're going to rate guilds we are going to need metrics much more defined than "bad/average/good"

What's a good guild ?

- A guild that fills a lineup with highly skilled individual through hard selection ?
- A guild that is able to align 24 man groups everyday and have the most overall impact over the campaign duration ?
- A guild that is able to amount to much more than the sum of it's individual member skill ?
- A guild that is doing pug leading on the side for charity ?

Edit : late realization i might be feeding a troll, sorry

A guild playing at Vivec

On a sidenote. A guild which reaches that perfect combination of numbers, coordination, synergizing abilities turning it as close to unkillable as possible at any moment and against any opposition. There are a couple of guilds whos achieved that in various games, and in Cyrodiil. Ive had the pleasure of working with three leaders achieving exactly that. Ultimately I was burned out.

Leeched · June 2018

killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »

Aznox wrote: »

If we're going to rate guilds we are going to need metrics much more defined than "bad/average/good"

What's a good guild ?

- A guild that fills a lineup with highly skilled individual through hard selection ?
- A guild that is able to align 24 man groups everyday and have the most overall impact over the campaign duration ?
- A guild that is able to amount to much more than the sum of it's individual member skill ?
- A guild that is doing pug leading on the side for charity ?

Edit : late realization i might be feeding a troll, sorry

A guild playing at Vivec

On a sidenote. A guild which reaches that perfect combination of numbers, coordination, synergizing abilities turning it as close to unkillable as possible at any moment and against any opposition. There are a couple of guilds whos achieved that in various games, and in Cyrodiil. Ive had the pleasure of working with three leaders achieving exactly that. Ultimately I was burned out.

Congratulations, you just described Ballgroups!

killimandrosb16_ESO · June 2018

Rilis wrote: »

killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »

Aznox wrote: »

If we're going to rate guilds we are going to need metrics much more defined than "bad/average/good"

What's a good guild ?

- A guild that fills a lineup with highly skilled individual through hard selection ?
- A guild that is able to align 24 man groups everyday and have the most overall impact over the campaign duration ?
- A guild that is able to amount to much more than the sum of it's individual member skill ?
- A guild that is doing pug leading on the side for charity ?

Edit : late realization i might be feeding a troll, sorry

A guild playing at Vivec

On a sidenote. A guild which reaches that perfect combination of numbers, coordination, synergizing abilities turning it as close to unkillable as possible at any moment and against any opposition. There are a couple of guilds whos achieved that in various games, and in Cyrodiil. Ive had the pleasure of working with three leaders achieving exactly that. Ultimately I was burned out.

Congratulations, you just described Ballgroups!

Nah, theres ballgroups like Sexy Squad which would be vapourized by PBAoE groups over at vivec, ya'know

Not good enough leaders. Tanking 100's of pug's inside a tower a 4 man team can do, ask blobs

Leeched · June 2018

You DO realize CP pvp is MUCH more easy than noCP, yeah?
I play Vivec from time to time and resources, resistances and dmg is TOTALLY different from noCP - what is actually really funny if the other way round happens and ppl from CP pvp come to sotha just to die like flies cause they are used to CP LOL

Thraben · June 2018

I´m rather sure Sotha Sil is the most challenging environment for a non- blue Ballgroup

MLRPZ · June 2018

actually it's just a different kind of challenge.
On sotha, ressource management can become a great issue and you take a lot more dmg so it's easier to kill a stack but you also die way faster

Feanor · June 2018

@Aznox

Someone has accused me of slandering EP guilds on the forum all the times, but it’s actually not true. I just write about my experiences, and it’s always a subjective thing. Since you ask about feedback, I’ll give you some from my POV as solo player who fails dramatically at 1vX but still tries to go to different places than the faction sometimes (yes AD does zerg too much recently too, I acknowledge that, and I zergsurf after the 3rd time of a lost 1v5).

What I find most irritating about EP guilds on Sotha is that they’re so often just stacking on the same place. My experience is that once you run into DE, you’ll always encounter DI, Legion and possibly Loups also (or vice versa). That and the willingness to chase a solo player 5 or 10v1 across a distance is my main gripe concerning EP guilds.

As for your “rating” or impact I’d place Loups above DI and Legion and close to DE (only because they run greater numbers usually) although the play style is completely different. At least I find you aside the usual guild zerg hot spots sometimes, sieging Drake with 8 players for example. That’s not as efficient as a ball group would do, and you don’t have that level of coordination and cohesive movement. Stack on crown also doesn’t seem strict, as members sometimes break off chasing or doing their own thing. I like that though as I find these strict play styles to be very boring.

I’d wish the EP guilds would try more on their own instead of simply stacking, but that’s just me.

All in all it is what it is, and I have already said I made my peace with Sotha Sil (I’m playing less and less anyway). Have fun, and no harm meant.

Wolfkeks · June 2018

Did the blue emp just leave the campaign?

Leeched · June 2018

Wolfkeks wrote: »

Did the blue emp just leave the campaign?

Yes, for the same reason I actually quit the game after I pushed for emp a few campaigns ago. DC emp on Sotha is pure masochism

red_emu · June 2018

angeleda wrote: »

red_emu wrote: »

Nice blue map every night and morning. Congrats DC. You can now go play with yourself.

lol, good one... you ZERG the map EVERY MORNING with +1 bar than anybody... The "Nice blue map every night and morning" was actually ONCE yesterday to set an example for your beloved Nyux's AD+EP alliance when they zerged EVERYTHING and took all scrolls and shared them around between AD and EP...

So we painted the map blue (with EVEN numbers, 2 bars each and then 1 bar each)... And most of the times we fought outnumbered in keeps and still got it...

Face it, red, unless your alliance stacks up in ONE place (which they do), with even numbers EP never stands a chance against DC... Cause we are used fighting outnumbered so we have to develop something more than spamming heavy attacks...

Other than that, usually we get emp with 2 bars each because, again, even numbers work to our favor...

Don't blame DC... Blame DE, Draco, Legion, Loups, etc that has made 95% of EP population mindless/inexperienced pvp-ers that stack up 30+++ to cap one outpost...

Mind you that yesterday, 2 bars EP against 1 bar DC you needed around 30+ minutes to get Arrius from us and with 3 walls open outter and 2 inner...

I do indeed play for the Dominion. And yes, I was venting my frustrations here. I don't mind loosing the campaign at all. And I wish EP was willing to zerg with us, but they mostly focus on us (Alessia is a hot spot). It's when we have the entire pop locked alliance show up at Alessia and then having DC's entire population show up at Roe, we all think "purple alliance". Once we regain just the home keeps in late evening, two hours later entire map gets PvDoored by DC guilds that only seem to play in he middle of the night. Maybe AD is a too much of a day time alliance? Anyhow. Congrats to all your PvDoor guilds for winning you another campaign.

Dedimos · June 2018

Lol

Moonsorrow · June 2018

Since this thread is pure entertainment and had some laughs, here are couple thoughts from me about Pact pug life:

1. Yes, Pact loves the sieges. We would destroy keeps if it was possible. The reason for several breaches in my own experience is that when door/wall is down and leader says to push in, there is the leader and like 2 of us others going in, other 20 people are staying outside and watching the fearless pushers melt in oil baths and defenders damage haha. And of course no one did put camp. When we are already almost wiped, someone asks if anyone has the keep capture quest for that keep to share. "share quest plz".

2. Pact is casual and friendly. Here one can get whispers from other fellow Pact warriors about what outfit you are wearing, fashion things, about cats and whatnot. Looking good when going to war is important to us. Again about sieges, but those we love so much that often we still fire at Bleakers at postern when mg already down and even when its turned someone still keeps firing up the stairs. We get our laughs from it for few minutes and then rush towards Aleswell. We love Aleswell as much as blues love our Chally.

3. Pact feels bad for our enemies when we have to take their property. Leader says we gonna go south next then someone says: "poor yellows

" since we secretly like our enemies, AD has fluffy khajiits and all. But then someone says again "share quest plz?" and that wakes us up from our fluffy daydreams and we ride south. Well after we checked if the colors of our outfits look good with our mounts. Someone is spamming that reindeer jumping sound restlessly. Finally we ride! "i cant mount" says someone and gets left behind and ganked at the bridge. We secretly like bridgefights even we pretend we dont.

As i often say: Pact is the best (and only) Pact.

Disclaimer: this is not any sarcastic comment or anything, just a bit of humor. Not so serious. I hope all players in every alliance have fun in the war.

Aznox · June 2018

Hey @Feanor, i appreciate the feedback.

Keep in mind that unlike a lot of my guildmates, I only enter Sotha Sil for prime-time GvG (21h-23h30) a few days a week so i can't talk about our play-style at other moments.

Feanor wrote: »

What I find most irritating about EP guilds on Sotha is that they’re so often just stacking on the same place. My experience is that once you run into DE, you’ll always encounter DI, Legion and possibly Loups also (or vice versa).

Being in the same place as other EP guilds is definitively something we try to avoid but it does happen often.
There was an initiative to coordinate actions between several EP guild with a joint-guild for leaders to communicate, but i think the result was not really justifying the energy spent and it died out a bit.

At least I find you aside the usual guild zerg hot spots sometimes, sieging Drake with 8 players for example. That’s not as efficient as a ball group would do, and you don’t have that level of coordination and cohesive movement. Stack on crown also doesn’t seem strict, as members sometimes break off chasing or doing their own thing. I like that though as I find these strict play styles to be very boring.

Our prime-time group size varies a lot between 12-20, on the low side we might switch to single target build with looser stacking, but as soon as we hit 15+ it will be AoE with more strict stacking. That's unfortunately the only way to wipe another guild group outside of synchronized bombing.

I’d wish the EP guilds would try more on their own instead of simply stacking, but that’s just me.

I think multiple guilds stacking is often the result of size difference between opposing groups, when we're 20 and blue groups are 10-12 we can't blame them for stacking.

All in all it is what it is, and I have already said I made my peace with Sotha Sil (I’m playing less and less anyway). Have fun, and no harm meant.

Have fun too

olda90 · June 2018

WELCOME 2 CYRODIIL CAMPAIGN!

Wolfkeks · June 2018

olda90 wrote: »

WELCOME 2 CYRODIIL CAMPAIGN!

Just encountered a big AD group while fighting the blues at bleakers...they've come back at aswell and then we see them again at bleakers while we fight the blues again...green alliance?

I've seen some comment about a red player switching to the yellow side...orange alliance?

And now the purple alliance here

This looks more like a rainbow alliance tbh

red_emu · June 2018

You all laugh at AD but have you any idea how tiring it is to be AD? Non stop Red zerg, then blue zerg or 24bomb groups, then red zerg again, then blue, then red, then blue and red! Sometimes I think Cyrodiil map is vertical and all the reds and blues just keep falling down to AD keeps

Leeched · June 2018

If you would play EP or DC you would complain about exatly the same things just different colors. Every alliance zergs. Every alliance nightcaps. Its the same for all factions. Just DC is the faction with fewest ppl during daytime.

red_emu · June 2018

Rilis wrote: »

If you would play EP or DC you would complain about exatly the same things just different colors. Every alliance zergs. Every alliance nightcaps. Its the same for all factions. Just DC is the faction with fewest ppl during daytime.

There's a difference between zerging and zerging.

(In UK time)

Currently AD zergs for 1-2 hours @ 10-11pm

Then DC kills all doors in Cyrodiil between midnight and 8am

Then EP zergs from around 8am and keeps zerging the map down from 8am to 10pm

So don't tell me AD zergs and nightcaps.

Leeched · June 2018

Ofc they did. Just a few Campaigns ago AD won a few times in a row mostly by nightcapping. I know that cause it was back when I was one of the 3-4 DCs online who tried to prevent AD nightcap emp.

Rianai · June 2018

Right now - almost 2 am - AD has highest pop on Sotha (and Vivec too btw) - and they still die to DC "nightcappers". The map not getting coloured yellow at nights it is not always a matter of lacking numbers on AD side.

olda90 · June 2018

3:33 AM GMT+1 LATEST NEWS!!

THERE IS NO PURPLE ALLIANCE AND NO DC NIGHT CAP!!

DC just got now in like 20 min Ash->Nikel->Brindle->Roe from AD with same bar POP (not broken… no ofc just AD all noobs)

Meanwhile EP was trying 2 do his best to avoid usual DC night emp + scrolls cap (ironic) and sitted all time at Arrius with 1 bar pop (not broken!.. EP all noobs afraid 2 attack and DC dont deal nothing with them..! DC just have few ppl during the day… strange...)

Its clear that there is no purple EP 1 bar pop just fell asleep at arrius, its late now!

olda90 · June 2018

3:46 AM GMT+1 FEW MINUTES LATER...

NO NO, NO PURPLE ALLIANCE!! Reds just all noobs, they cant defend keeps with same POP bar (not broken!...)! And they fell asleep at arrius not their fault if they sitted all time there and fell asleep its late!

Meanwhile AD WITH SAME POP did nothing ofc becouse they are all noobs no coordination... (POP bar not broken!!...)

THIS IS THE PROOF NO PURPLE ALLIANCE AND NO DC HIGH NIGHT POP! WE CAN CLOSE THIS THREAD, THX ALL 4 THE PROOVING THE REAL TRUTH!

Rianai · June 2018

Nah, EP was just busy defending Kings against me and then they logged off after getting zerged by the DC nightcap zerg.

I wish there were more AD and EP at nights like in the past, but the majority seem to just log off as soon they can't PvDoor without resistance.

olda90 · June 2018

4:13 AM GMT+1 ….zzzz….zzz..zzz

Feanor · June 2018

If that isn’t a DC nightcap I don’t know what else is. Nightcapping doesn’t mean 3 bars or pop lock like EP did for so many months. You just have to have more than your opponents. Besides, the pop bars are a notoriously bad indicator of relative alliance strength.

olda90 · June 2018

11:20 AM GMT+1

Some hours ago finally it had been proofed that there is NO PURPLE ALLIANCE and that fake legend will only remain in ESO history.

In fact as everybody can clearly see EP don't have any interest in fighting AD with same POP bar (not broken...) and are fighting at BRK (immediatly after Drake) and then Sejanus in 20-25 vs 8-10 becouse they need their keeps back! It's clear they don't have any purple alliance since when they will finish to zerg AD probably B4 prime time will start 2 go get some scrolls back.

Trian94 · June 2018

Hello everybody