Can we get a crown store version of the vMoL skin too?

Dantaria

Vrienda wrote: »

Nobody will have me along for the ride because I can't even crack 20k in full Legendary gear (Minus rings and neck) and monster set on my main. Most groups/guilds demand 40k+

I've tried guides, Alcast, Deltia, getting all the gear crafted was costing me too much and nothing worked for me, so I stopped trying. Why do all that for a single trial I'll only ever do ONCE for the skin and then never again?

A decade of MMO experience and I've never known a gap so large between players than that which exists in ESO, trials just aren't accessible.

Erm...

How much CPs did you have then? And how much do you have now?

CPs are important. On 160-250CP you will hit for ~20k and ~20k only and nothing can be done about that. Real talk starts on ~450CP, honestly.

Also, if you really don't want to do anything with it - okay. But if you ever wish to try again - don't search for guides, join the PvE guild and ask for advice from someone with your class. Most guides are outdated, and those which are not...

Like, honestly, with all due respect to Alcast, his current ideas are... strange. I checked out his site when Morrowind hitted live, went honest "WTF?!" and went to find my own way. And did with the help of the guildies.

Deltia is outdated and his guides were also... questionable to begin with.

Also, who the heck demands 40k for vMoL? Idk where you got these numbers from. It was always 30k+ for safe runs. Not 40k.

Vrienda

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

Vrienda wrote: »

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

Yes! Next, we want a Veteran Halls of Fabrication crown store version skin, Then a Horn of the reach one!!! -_- you just suck so you can't do v mol?

Pretty much. I've never been 'good' at this game. I play for lore, questing, alts, my real life friends and character customization.

Vet MoL is way beyond anything I can do in game and so is Vet Maelstrom Arena. I'm only interested in cosmetics, not bothered about getting gear.

And I would love those skins too.

Ask for something UNIQUE. not a copy of a earnable skin recoloured...

We're getting unique stuff too though, like the bloodforge skin.

FakeFox wrote: »

Just ask a raiding guild if they carry you for one or two million.

I don't have 2m. Most I've ever had was 300k and I blew it on motifs that I've been wanting for when ZOS adds transmog.

Dantaria wrote: »

Vrienda wrote: »

Nobody will have me along for the ride because I can't even crack 20k in full Legendary gear (Minus rings and neck) and monster set on my main. Most groups/guilds demand 40k+

I've tried guides, Alcast, Deltia, getting all the gear crafted was costing me too much and nothing worked for me, so I stopped trying. Why do all that for a single trial I'll only ever do ONCE for the skin and then never again?

A decade of MMO experience and I've never known a gap so large between players than that which exists in ESO, trials just aren't accessible.

Erm...

How much CPs did you have then? And how much do you have now?

CPs are important. On 160-250CP you will hit for ~20k and ~20k only and nothing can be done about that. Real talk starts on ~450CP, honestly.

Also, if you really don't want to do anything with it - okay. But if you ever wish to try again - don't search for guides, join the PvE guild and ask for advice from someone with your class. Most guides are outdated, and those which are not...

Like, honestly, with all due respect to Alcast, his current ideas are... strange. I checked out his site when Morrowind hitted live, went honest "WTF?!" and went to find my own way. And did with the help of the guildies.

Deltia is outdated and his guides were also... questionable to begin with.

Also, who the heck demands 40k for vMoL? Idk where you got these numbers from. It was always 30k+ for safe runs. Not 40k.

525ish, (Might be 526 or 527, I need to log in. Tested my DPS this morning and got 14k on a target dummy. Likely to be less in a real fight).

And yeah, I stopped using Deltia recently and someone mentioned I should try Alcast. I've also seen a lot of people praising him for his guides helping them improve.

As for the 40k, just going by what I saw on the forums, specifically the EU guild forum, some even asked for 55K.

ecru

Vrienda wrote: »

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

Vrienda wrote: »

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

Yes! Next, we want a Veteran Halls of Fabrication crown store version skin, Then a Horn of the reach one!!! -_- you just suck so you can't do v mol?

Pretty much. I've never been 'good' at this game. I play for lore, questing, alts, my real life friends and character customization.

Vet MoL is way beyond anything I can do in game and so is Vet Maelstrom Arena. I'm only interested in cosmetics, not bothered about getting gear.

And I would love those skins too.

Ask for something UNIQUE. not a copy of a earnable skin recoloured...

We're getting unique stuff too though, like the bloodforge skin.

FakeFox wrote: »

Just ask a raiding guild if they carry you for one or two million.

I don't have 2m. Most I've ever had was 300k and I blew it on motifs that I've been wanting for when ZOS adds transmog.

Dantaria wrote: »

Vrienda wrote: »

Nobody will have me along for the ride because I can't even crack 20k in full Legendary gear (Minus rings and neck) and monster set on my main. Most groups/guilds demand 40k+

I've tried guides, Alcast, Deltia, getting all the gear crafted was costing me too much and nothing worked for me, so I stopped trying. Why do all that for a single trial I'll only ever do ONCE for the skin and then never again?

A decade of MMO experience and I've never known a gap so large between players than that which exists in ESO, trials just aren't accessible.

Erm...

How much CPs did you have then? And how much do you have now?

CPs are important. On 160-250CP you will hit for ~20k and ~20k only and nothing can be done about that. Real talk starts on ~450CP, honestly.

Also, if you really don't want to do anything with it - okay. But if you ever wish to try again - don't search for guides, join the PvE guild and ask for advice from someone with your class. Most guides are outdated, and those which are not...

Like, honestly, with all due respect to Alcast, his current ideas are... strange. I checked out his site when Morrowind hitted live, went honest "WTF?!" and went to find my own way. And did with the help of the guildies.

Deltia is outdated and his guides were also... questionable to begin with.

Also, who the heck demands 40k for vMoL? Idk where you got these numbers from. It was always 30k+ for safe runs. Not 40k.

525ish, (Might be 526 or 527, I need to log in. Tested my DPS this morning and got 14k on a target dummy. Likely to be less in a real fight).

And yeah, I stopped using Deltia recently and someone mentioned I should try Alcast. I've also seen a lot of people praising him for his guides helping them improve.

As for the 40k, just going by what I saw on the forums, specifically the EU guild forum, some even asked for 55K.

I find it hard to believe anyone is asking for 55k parses.

djdc1234

Vrienda wrote: »

Since we got the purple version of the Cradle of Shadows challenger skin is there any chance we could get a Dro-m'athra skin too?

Replace the blue glow with pale white or red perhaps? For those who don't do high end PvE or grind imperial city there's only two skins available and seeing as Dro-m'athra is so popular, why not put an alternate version of that on the crown store?

This was actually recommended sarcastically by someone criticising the new skin, but I think it's a great idea and that it'd be nice for those of us who struggle with endgame PvE to have access to a skin similar to the Veteran Maw of Lorkhaj skin.

Vrienda wrote: »

Since we got the purple version of the Cradle of Shadows challenger skin is there any chance we could get a Dro-m'athra skin too?

Replace the blue glow with pale white or red perhaps? For those who don't do high end PvE or grind imperial city there's only two skins available and seeing as Dro-m'athra is so popular, why not put an alternate version of that on the crown store?

This was actually recommended sarcastically by someone criticising the new skin, but I think it's a great idea and that it'd be nice for those of us who struggle with endgame PvE to have access to a skin similar to the Veteran Maw of Lorkhaj skin.

Yes we need this

Tasear

Where's all those vampires... this could pave your way....a skin to look normal.

Dantaria

Vrienda wrote: »

As for the 40k, just going by what I saw on the forums, specifically the EU guild forum, some even asked for 55K.

PWAHAHAHAHAHA

55K? Feel free to laugh in those guys faces, it's honestly lolworthy Also I would like to see TEH VIDEOS of them parsing 55K solo Spoilers alert: not gonna happen

And 40k is overkill also, though it's possible. Funny thing though - in this patch the only magDPS hitting honest 40k on skele is petsorc. And those 40k are full BiS with vMA weapons. Those guys with 99.9% probability have their own groups and already are Dro-M'Athra Destroyers. Stamina does hit 40k+. But it isn't necessarry.

Joining progression group requires 30k. 30k from each DD is enough for comfortable run. 40k for joining progression group is lolworthy, get out of there

As for your DPS. If you want to improve it, you really should join a guild, find competent person of your class and start from scratch. 14k on 500+CP indicates problems in very basics. You probably have outdated gear and CP allocation, start from there. After that it's just the matter of practicing rotation

Vrienda

Dantaria wrote: »

Vrienda wrote: »

As for the 40k, just going by what I saw on the forums, specifically the EU guild forum, some even asked for 55K.

PWAHAHAHAHAHA

55K? Feel free to laugh in those guys faces, it's honestly lolworthy Also I would like to see TEH VIDEOS of them parsing 55K solo Spoilers alert: not gonna happen

And 40k is overkill also, though it's possible. Funny thing though - in this patch the only magDPS hitting honest 40k on skele is petsorc. And those 40k are full BiS with vMA weapons. Those guys with 99.9% probability have their own groups and already are Dro-M'Athra Destroyers. Stamina does hit 40k+. But it isn't necessarry.

Joining progression group requires 30k. 30k from each DD is enough for comfortable run. 40k for joining progression group is lolworthy, get out of there

As for your DPS. If you want to improve it, you really should join a guild, find competent person of your class and start from scratch. 14k on 500+CP indicates problems in very basics. You probably have outdated gear and CP allocation, start from there. After that it's just the matter of practicing rotation

One more thing, I was never able to figure out how to animation cancel. Is it possible that's what's causing me to miss out on DPS?

Dantaria

Vrienda wrote: »

One more thing, I was never able to figure out how to animation cancel. Is it possible that's what's causing me to miss out on DPS?

Nah.

"Animation cancelling makes your DPS skyrocket" is another myth. I mean, sure it does increase your DPS. On how much - depends on the class and mag/stam choice. But it's never double DPS. It's honestly never that much.

The basis of DPS is adequate gear (including potions, enchants and food), CP allocation and solid rotation. Everything else - vMA weapons, animation cancelling, etc - is just cherry on the cake. Hitting ~30k on 500CP+ doesn't require it.

HatchetHaro

Vrienda wrote: »

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Vrienda wrote: »

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

Just no. This just only be earnable through VMoL. I don't even have the skin, I want it yes, but don't want it to be purchasable. It would destroy all the excitement and rewarding of completing VMoL.

The purchasable version would look different. People who did MoL would still have the black and blue version to show off in addition to any gear they got there.

Have you ever tried to work for that skin? Crown store skins that are just a recolor of vet trial/dungeon ones are a serious smack to the face to people who worked for them. I don't mind crown store skins so long as they're not recolors of those trial/dungeon skins. Take the new one and the Mindshriven skins. They're unique, but they don't look like the skins that people work for.

Nobody will have me along for the ride because I can't even crack 20k in full Legendary gear (Minus rings and neck) and monster set on my main. Most groups/guilds demand 40k+

I've tried guides, Alcast, Deltia, getting all the gear crafted was costing me too much and nothing worked for me, so I stopped trying. Why do all that for a single trial I'll only ever do ONCE for the skin and then never again?

A decade of MMO experience and I've never known a gap so large between players than that which exists in ESO, trials just aren't accessible.

40k+ on a skeleton is only possible by the best. You don't need that much. 30k is fine.

That's an L2P issue. I was there before, couldn't seem to crack 20k. Then I realized a tiny change to my rotation was all it took to push me over 30k.

Stop using Alcast and Deltia guides. Instead, go to the Tamriel Foundry forums and check the theorycrafting forums for your class, because chances are that people there are much more specialized in their classes and know even better builds and rotations for them.

Because that's the price of a vMoL skin. We deserve it because we put in all the work to make ourselves better, fit in with the team, fail countless times, and finally beat it. If we can do it, you can, and there's no excuse for begging for it without any sacrifice on your end.

Cpt_Teemo

Sigtric wrote: »

Bring em on.

Players are smart enough to know which are achieve colors and which are purchased and anyone who cares about such things should understand that difference as well.

I don't care about either, decorating > cosmetics to me ha.

Vrienda

Even if I suddenly find out where I went wrong and rebuild my character and get the skin all legit like I'd still support an alternate colored copy being available on the store.

That said I'll take a look again tomorrow, give myself one last chance to push myself into vet trials.

LadyNalcarya

Vrienda wrote: »

Even if I suddenly find out where I went wrong and rebuild my character and get the skin all legit like I'd still support an alternate colored copy being available on the store.

That said I'll take a look again tomorrow, give myself one last chance to push myself into vet trials.

Why though?
The actual Dromathra mobs are black with blue glowing markings, so your char wont look like a legit Dromathra anyway. I dont really support buying skins from players, but if you need it for rp, it might be a good idea. After all, its cheaper than those big houses.

I'm asking because I also pay a lot of attention to my characters looks, and thats exactly why I'm looking forward to original content in crown store. I dont think its a good idea to encourage devs laziness.

Enslaved

If these blue lines were black, I would spend 5k crowns on it.

LadyNalcarya

Enslaved wrote: »

If these blue lines were black, I would spend 5k crowns on it.

Actually a solid color/texture skins are a good idea, and it wouldnt be too difficult to implement.
Theyre already in game, but they arent available for players.
Ghost polymorph would also be a nice idea imo. The effect is already in game (we have npc ghosts) and it would be something more unique than recolors. It would probably add rp value, too, since players would be able to pretend theyre ghosts or astral projections or something.

Conduit0

You do realize that even if ZOS did give you a recolored Dro'Mathra skin they would go and lock it behind the only content more difficult than a no death Rakkat hard mode run.... crown crates.

code65536

I don't understand why people are opposed to this.

How is a recolored version of a trial or dungeon skin a "smack in the face"?

As long as the skin is different enough that it doesn't look the same (e.g., nobody is going to mistake Ebony for Spiderkith, even though they are just different colorations of the same texture), what does it matter if it's the same underlying texture or design?

Are you going to get huffy and upset that a cool-sounding title like "Clockwork Confounder" is easily obtainable? The people who care about the prestige of titles will know that Confounder does not have the same cachet as Coadjutor, just as they would know that the black-and-blue skin means something different than something with a different color.

And as for the people who don't know the difference between Confounder and Coadjutor or who don't know the significance of the Dro-m'Athra skin vs. a similar recolor... well, spoiler alert: they probably don't care and won't be impressed by your achievement anyway.

If ZOS ever sells a near-identical skin that is easily mistakable for an achievement skin, then sure, I can see the justification for being upset. But getting upset over similar-but-unmistakably-distinct skins is simply ridiculous.

(And I say this as someone who has all 4 of the dungeon/trial skins: I really DGAF if ZOS sells a recolor; I will never buy them, but I see no reason to not let others have similar cosmetic items.)

Countcalorie

Anne_Firehawk wrote: »

Shadzilla wrote: »

1.5m gold per carry PC NA. Holla.

1m on PC EU, we not THAT greedy. /w me

lol 2.4 mil on xbox eu.

Voxicity

I'm gonna go ahead and say no because dro mathra are blue. Encouraging ZOS to alter the lore of ES in order to sell cosmetics on the crown store is frankly stupid.

Either suck it up and go clear (or get carried) through vMoL, or be happy with soul shriven/ebon/the lava one coming soon.

MrBetadine

IronCrystal wrote: »

MrBetadine wrote: »

IronCrystal wrote: »

MrBetadine wrote: »

Dantaria wrote: »

Vrienda wrote: »

It's a skin most players will never have. Some of us want it because we like making our characters look cool. We have no interest in raiding to get it. Allowing a similar skin to be available via the crown store would be nice for those of us obsessed with character customization.

Look. You will never have it, because you tried and failed or because you never even tried?

Somehow somewhere vMoL became The Horror Story - it's a content for elite "average players" can only dream of. Well, actually not somehow somewhere. vMoL was hard. When it was just relised. But since then it was nerfed and we got extra CPs. vMoL now is honestly nowhere near The Horror Story.

All you need is competent support (tanks x 2, healers x 2) and DDs who can hit ~30k. vMoL is ez-pz with 30k x 8, it's actually ez-pz with ~27-28k x 8. Just make sure that 2 out of 8 DDs are magDK for even easier run. You can even make it with 25k x 8, though it will just become a bit harder. A bit. Oh, yeah, your magDKs can totally hit the dummy for 25k, their DPS will skyrocket in trial.

Ideally: 2 magDKs + 3 magsorcs with Blockade of Storms + 3 whatever + addon Raid Notifier = vMoL rekt.

vMoL is no mystery now. There are tons of guides, including video ones. Add Raid Notifier and you have complete and total easy mode.

Hitting ~30k on max-CP is possible even with crafted gear now. Here, be my guest: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/355291/easy-and-reliable-non-pet-magsorc-build-pve/p1

Julianos, no pet, 4-buttons-rotation. Hitting 30k on 550CP:



It's quite enough for vMoL, trust me on that account.

Clearing vMoL isn't hard because of vMoL. Clearing vMoL is hard because the vast majority of those who wanted it did it a loooong time ago and new people are afraid, because "OOOOOOOH VMOL" Hence - very few groups out there

Don't be afraid. Gather your friends and go there. Yes, you will die at first, just because it requires some practice, but if you can follow instructions and distinguish white from black (or, more specifically, yellow from dark blue) - you'll make it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJscrxxl_Bg

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P. S. On topic though I wouldn't mind at all, but only if CS version of the skin will have different color. vMoL and CS skins absolutely should be easily distinguishable. If they are - pfffff, whatever.

Why should they do this when the only intention is cosmetics? Give option to everyone. This is not a game for a particular person.

What's the point of having achievement cosmetics if you can get them without completing the achievement?

No, you better work for that skin. And a recolour would be a smack to everyone who earned it.

If you make a CS skin, it better be unique to the CS.

Because that skin would be different from the VMoL skin, according to the original post? Someone needs a comprehension test.

They asked for a recoloured version. That's not unique.

I don't know if you know quantum mechanics, but if it has different colors, and color is an observable, then it is unique.

Lylith

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

RaddlemanNumber7 wrote: »

I think it's sad that skins have become nothing more than a symbol of elitism in this game.

Skins are a great aid for RP. I have always thought that some kind of soul shriven skin should be standard issue. That would give every player the option of having their "vestige" really look like they are a soulless byproducts of Molag Bal's foul magics, and unequivocally set them apart from the general population of Tamriel.

Agreed -
Hey look at me I'm awesome I have a skin yup that's right I'm better than anyone not wearing a skin.
You like my outfit *wearing Nordic towel* yea that's right I wear this to show my awesomeness and I just stand in the major cities all day revealing my skin... no longer actually play this game well apart from standing on the rock in Rawlkha or standing around in Deshan because of my super epic leet brain fart skin.

funny, that.

but i also makes me think we need a visual "mute" button that works like the ignore function.

Qbiken

I used to care about these stuff and be against it, but then I realised it´s just a skin. I can Always link the achievements from other stuff in vMoL to show that I´ve done other things than just "getting the skin". If a player know that they´ve got it in a legit way (let´s say a re-version/re-painted version of the vMoL skin were available in CS), then I can be proud of that and I don´t have to bother other players about that.

If someone got their ass carried through vMoL or vHoF to get a skin that´s their bussines, not mine. It´s a god damned skin/cosmetic.....

If you´re serious/competitive about raiding isn´t the score the most important thing anyway? A doubt most end-game raiders care if a new player/roleplayer bought their skin from the Crown store or not.....and if you do then it´s just a Little sad tbh...

Zbigb4life

Yes it will come to Crown Store for only 10000 crowns

Elrosahir

Why not a RGB version wich change color lile Keyboards today. Ironie off.

No, pls no crownstore. Why? Because People work for skins. Or buy it from guilds where can do this.

Learn how the game works and dont ask for everything in crownstore. Make progress on your own Account. 100th better as payed stuff for real money.

Bobby_V_Rockit

What 2 skins do we non High-end PvE'ers get?

AnviOfVai

I agree, really loved the new skin on my characters. But like so many comments have said before it should not be the exact copy of what players can get in dungeons with just a color change, its not really fair on them who have worked their butts off to get the skin. (I don't own any from the dungeons) I also think new polymorphs would be nice, I have always like the skeleton one but when wearing it on an Argonian it does not work..well... need it to change like they did in the Halloween event.

Voxicity

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

What 2 skins do we non High-end PvE'ers get?

Amberplasm and Spiderkinth

Both are incredibly easy and don't require anything out of the ordinary.

Bobby_V_Rockit

Voxicity wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

What 2 skins do we non High-end PvE'ers get?

Amberplasm and Spiderkinth

Both are incredibly easy and don't require anything out of the ordinary.

They require high end PvE by my standards. No death and speed runs of the 2 hardest group dungeons in the game?

Runs

They could add skin dyes to the crown store, it would give people the different looks they want while keeping the skins prestige from being earned.

They should still sell skins in the crown store, but they should be unique not just copied.

Asardes

vMoL is not hard to do by roleplayers. They just have to roleplay hide and seek beyond glass columns first, according to the colors on their heads a bit later and also play some hopscotch at the end and it should be just fine.

Vrienda

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

What 2 skins do we non High-end PvE'ers get?

Mind Shriven and Ebony. One of which is no longer available and the other of which is going soon.