PC/NA Vivec

Anrose

antihero727 wrote: »

As an ex AD raid lead I have tried to come back and train newer players to "get gud". The last few times I have tried to help newer players I have been met with arguments with pre morrowind solo builds. it is very frustrating to be asked for help then critiqued with stuff they don't truly understand. Welcome to the AD new player training pool. It's like having an interview with a door greeter from Walmart. These players are the reason AD raid leads are rerolling at an alarming rate. After trying to help I realize the new players have watched a video on YouTube and know everything and I can go back to getting my 6 keys then PUBG.

I think you actually described the root cause of AD's problems right now. Players not knowing what needs to be done in these large scale fights and not knowing how to build for group PvP. More detrimental, is that AD's players are unwilling to learn from experienced PvPers. Instead, the faction resorts to infighting arguing about who is right, and we get run right over by other factions who know how to communicate and teach their pugs.

Once AD learns how to stop being toxic to each other and listen to the experienced players, then and only then will we have a chance to hold our own against the obviously stronger factions.

zyk

Anrose wrote: »

Once AD learns how to stop being toxic to each other and listen to the experienced players, then and only then will we have a chance to hold our own against the obviously stronger factions.

That's not realistic. Most of the players you're talking about will probably never be competitive PVP players. A casual-minded player today is probably going to be casual tomorrow, next week, next month and next year. A truly competitive player adapts to the basics very quickly.

AD needs PVP enthusiasts.

IMO, AD is the best faction to play for if one defines good fights as tough, heated battles made better by being the underdog. We need hardcore gamers who don't take the path of least resistance and welcome the opportunity to help make a team better -- choosing not be made better by an already strong team.

antihero727

zyk wrote: »

Anrose wrote: »

Once AD learns how to stop being toxic to each other and listen to the experienced players, then and only then will we have a chance to hold our own against the obviously stronger factions.

That's not realistic. Most of the players you're talking about will probably never be competitive PVP players. A casual-minded player today is probably going to be casual tomorrow, next week, next month and next year.

AD needs PVP enthusiasts.

IMO, AD is the best faction to play for if one defines good fights as tough, heated battles made better by being the underdog. We need hardcore gamers who don't take the path of least resistance and welcome the opportunity to help make a faction better, and not be made better by an already strong faction.

I'm not sure ESO has a lot of players like this left.

ZOS as a company over the last 2 years has catered to the casual player because just like AD they like to take "the path of least resistance". The whole one Tamrial play how you want thing and the play all faction toons on the same campaign shows everything you need to know. They opened pandora's casual box and it can't be closed. I still solo or run with friends but how can you be "hard core" in a game steered towards casual cash cow crown store shoppers? Beating your head on a wall will only knock you unconscious eventually.

Telel

antihero727 wrote: »

As an ex AD raid lead I have tried to come back and train newer players to "get gud". The last few times I have tried to help newer players I have been met with arguments with pre morrowind solo builds. it is very frustrating to be asked for help then critiqued with stuff they don't truly understand. Welcome to the AD new player training pool. It's like having an interview with a door greeter from Walmart. These players are the reason AD raid leads are rerolling at an alarming rate. After trying to help I realize the new players have watched a video on YouTube and know everything and I can go back to getting my 6 keys then PUBG.

This one has found the requiring voice coms is a very good way to filter out those who are far to elfish to bother with.

Plus the excuses they use to try and avoid having to become a useful member of a group are often amusing to a khajiit. Telel's favorite is 'I can't afford Discord'.

antihero727

Telel wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

As an ex AD raid lead I have tried to come back and train newer players to "get gud". The last few times I have tried to help newer players I have been met with arguments with pre morrowind solo builds. it is very frustrating to be asked for help then critiqued with stuff they don't truly understand. Welcome to the AD new player training pool. It's like having an interview with a door greeter from Walmart. These players are the reason AD raid leads are rerolling at an alarming rate. After trying to help I realize the new players have watched a video on YouTube and know everything and I can go back to getting my 6 keys then PUBG.

This one has found the requiring voice coms is a very good way to filter out those who are far to elfish to bother with.

Plus the excuses they use to try and avoid having to become a useful member of a group are often amusing to a khajiit. Telel's favorite is 'I can't afford Discord'.

I got a I got my build from YouTube, his name was Deltia or something. I closed TS3 and logged out shortly after.

Vilestride

Vizier wrote: »

Hmm. Blaming DC for trying to win? Maybe if AD actually spent m

Anazasi wrote: »

I have to say this only because last night begs to have this put out there. Stop zerging. Its bad, it kills the community. The only outcome of zerging is it forces the other factions to zerg as well. The last 2 nights DC should be ashamed of itself.

I completely understand your frustration. As an oceanic player I feel it to And all I find myself saying most nights is "I wish these guys would play prime just once so I could have a shot at them "

But as frustrating as it is to see an organized guild go unchallenged it's not their fault. It's ours for having 0 organized guilds to contest them. They are playing the same way every guild plays. They just have no one to fight. You have to kind of feel bad because they are never going to be able to improve without any actual guilds to compete against.

Anazasi

Trust, effort, loyalty, relationships, and consistency. All required from members who run in raids. Willingness to have faith should be at the core of every raid leader. We should not be looking for those players who have decided they already know everything, instead we should be looking for those players who want to learn more, laugh and have fun. When raid leaders stop looking for the AP trail and start looking over their shoulders to see who's actually following, then teaching can begin. When teaching good mechanics and processes players will progress. Sometimes we simply have to take the cards we are dealt and work with it no matter what the outcome is.

As a raid leader, I get frustrated. I get upset and yeah bang my head on the wall every night. But I still log in and play and lead. The original concept ZOS had "play as you like" only works when you roll with the current meta. That is a very tough pill to swallow.

To all those "gud" raid leaders who have given up, shame on you. AD needs more leaders. I am certain that Telel can agree we are always tired, stretch too thin, and often simply overwhelmed.

badmojo

AD are scum. I hope they all delete their characters and join DC.

Magus

Much respect to anyone out there leading a group or guild on an almost nightly basis - it is a ton of work and frustration. The PVP is a lot less toxic than it used to be and I think part of that, at least for me, is that we are realizing we are each other's content. There is no question that the PVP population is dwindling and dying out. We need each other as frienemies to provide each other challenges and content to play so that we aren't PVDooring a map. As an example, when VE is running but Drac isn't, it's pretty boring and I'm sure it's the same for them.

AD does need to up their game as realized in this thread, it's hard now and challenging content, now isn't the time to peace out and go small man on EP because that's where it's easiest to go small man right now. My other guild TM on AD has guested over from Sotha Sil a few times in the last week and it's been a lot of fun. We were accused of being EP spies by the most famous AD player. Last night, we farmed what appeared to be several EP small mans at Alessia farm until another AD guild showed up and sieged the keep. We then went inside the breach and killed about 40 EP twice, before and after camping, while Artem Deorum sieged. Sure, we were farming and not interested in sieging but the siege line was well protected and would have likely failed if we weren't there. For bonus points, Artem Deorum yelled at us for not sieging afterwards.

I'm very tempted to start an AD guild on Vivec but with commitments to TM and VE and working full-time, I don't think I have the time. I do have a great concept and raid specs that I'd love to run though. I think VE should just roll AD again *lights match and tosses it on the ground*.

Circling back, appreciate all the frienemies out there and the guild leads still putting in their sweat and tears into this game. We are each other's PVP content.

WaltherCarraway

Magus wrote: »

Much respect to anyone out there leading a group or guild on an almost nightly basis - it is a ton of work and frustration. The PVP is a lot less toxic than it used to be and I think part of that, at least for me, is that we are realizing we are each other's content. There is no question that the PVP population is dwindling and dying out. We need each other as frienemies to provide each other challenges and content to play so that we aren't PVDooring a map. As an example, when VE is running but Drac isn't, it's pretty boring and I'm sure it's the same for them.

AD does need to up their game as realized in this thread, it's hard now and challenging content, now isn't the time to peace out and go small man on EP because that's where it's easiest to go small man right now. My other guild TM on AD has guested over from Sotha Sil a few times in the last week and it's been a lot of fun. We were accused of being EP spies by the most famous AD player. Last night, we farmed what appeared to be several EP small mans at Alessia farm until another AD guild showed up and sieged the keep. We then went inside the breach and killed about 40 EP twice, before and after camping, while Artem Deorum sieged. Sure, we were farming and not interested in sieging but the siege line was well protected and would have likely failed if we weren't there. For bonus points, Artem Deorum yelled at us for not sieging afterwards.

I'm very tempted to start an AD guild on Vivec but with commitments to TM and VE and working full-time, I don't think I have the time. I do have a great concept and raid specs that I'd love to run though. I think VE should just roll AD again *lights match and tosses it on the ground*.

Circling back, appreciate all the frienemies out there and the guild leads still putting in their sweat and tears into this game. We are each other's PVP content.

One of the few comments that addressed the problem and provided constructive criticism.

“People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along? Can we get along?”

BTW, to be honest, I really, really thought "Spy" thing was a joke passing around factionless PvP players... If I saw somone really playing this game triple screen with account in each faction logged then I will laugh at him hysterically like what you'll hear from /bellylaugh while on Xivkyn Augur Polymorph.

Magus

It's easy to fall into the trap of hating other players and saying I want to grind them into the ground so hard that their play time is miserable and then they quit the game.... except, suppose you succeed in that, that's less players to fight against, less PVP content. PVP is dying not growing in this game, so this mindset needs to go away.

m0j0r1s1ng

I think this has been touched upon, but I am curious why AD thinks they have or are more susceptible to having "casual", "crown cow cash store", "pre-Morrowind solo build", immature (using the words I see above) noobs who need to "get gud"?

When I first started playing ESO (only about 9 months ago), I picked, purely by chance as I have no history with TES lore, a Redguard templar and was, thus, a DC. If I had listened to a podcast I was listening to at the time (Tales of Tamriel?), I should have rolled EP. I am a noob to this game, yet I didn't land in AD.

I would think that, in fact, AD would end up with an equal share of these unsavoury beginner types (tongue firmly in cheek) as any other faction.

What I see, as a mostly solo, somewhat casual player who only recently joined a PVP guild and would typically just zone chat "lfg" is that each faction has pugs that argue with others in zone chat, that resist joining groups that demand staying on crown and/or voice comms, that complain about other groups doing stupid tactics, that complain about the faction as a whole ("just DC being DC" is heard a lot, even when we are ticking 70+).

So my basic question is why would AD be any worse off in all this than the other 2 factions? Might it be, just going out on a limb here, cyclical? Oh and wtf, AD just won Vivec 2 campaigns ago and now we are talking about the downfall of an entire faction?

Magus

m0j0r1s1ng wrote: »

I think this has been touched upon, but I am curious why AD thinks they have or are more susceptible to having "casual", "crown cow cash store", "pre-Morrowind solo build", immature (using the words I see above) noobs who need to "get gud"?

When I first started playing ESO (only about 9 months ago), I picked, purely by chance as I have no history with TES lore, a Redguard templar and was, thus, a DC. If I had listened to a podcast I was listening to at the time (Tales of Tamriel?), I should have rolled EP. I am a noob to this game, yet I didn't land in AD.

I would think that, in fact, AD would end up with an equal share of these unsavoury beginner types (tongue firmly in cheek) as any other faction.

What I see, as a mostly solo, somewhat casual player who only recently joined a PVP guild and would typically just zone chat "lfg" is that each faction has pugs that argue with others in zone chat, that resist joining groups that demand staying on crown and/or voice comms, that complain about other groups doing stupid tactics, that complain about the faction as a whole ("just DC being DC" is heard a lot, even when we are ticking 70+).

So my basic question is why would AD be any worse off in all this than the other 2 factions? Might it be, just going out on a limb here, cyclical? Oh and wtf, AD just won Vivec 2 campaigns ago and now we are talking about the downfall of an entire faction?

Campaign wins are determined by the oceanic play time. That's an undeniable truth, which ever faction dominates oceanic prime time will win the campaign. What people are talking about here is during EST prime time, 7pm-3am. During this time period, AD seems to have the least firepower between the factions. They certainly have enough bodies but for whatever reason do not have as strong as guilds as DC and EP.

NBrookus

FWIW, I don't think EP has a strong guild presence either right now. Vok is running once a week. Invictus is playing about 2 days a week. Pact Militia is seen about twice a week. Drac plays regularly, but that's about it for regular organized guild groups at the moment.

Kush picks up lfgs, which is good, but then they vacuum up every lfg in zone. That's not a good thing when they are off pvdooring with 40+ people instead of defending home keeps and there are no extra bodies to help the solo/small group players trying to defend those.

antihero727

NBrookus wrote: »

FWIW, I don't think EP has a strong guild presence either right now. Vok is running once a week. Invictus is playing about 2 days a week. Pact Militia is seen about twice a week. Drac plays regularly, but that's about it for regular organized guild groups at the moment.

Kush picks up lfgs, which is good, but then they vacuum up every lfg in zone. That's not a good thing when they are off pvdooring with 40+ people instead of defending home keeps and there are no extra bodies to help the solo/small group players trying to defend those.

EP doesn't have a strong presence, lol lol lol that's a good one. When they removed seeing aoes from the same faction did they remove the ability to see other EP as well. Best troll post so far this thread.

Elong

antihero727 wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

FWIW, I don't think EP has a strong guild presence either right now. Vok is running once a week. Invictus is playing about 2 days a week. Pact Militia is seen about twice a week. Drac plays regularly, but that's about it for regular organized guild groups at the moment.

Kush picks up lfgs, which is good, but then they vacuum up every lfg in zone. That's not a good thing when they are off pvdooring with 40+ people instead of defending home keeps and there are no extra bodies to help the solo/small group players trying to defend those.

EP doesn't have a strong presence, lol lol lol that's a good one. When they removed seeing aoes from the same faction did they remove the ability to see other EP as well. Best troll post so far this thread.

There's numbers but no organisation. Trust me, it's true. Kush sucks up all the lfgs and takes them on stupid pvdoor attempts or wipe in oils at every manned keep.

WaltherCarraway

antihero727 wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

FWIW, I don't think EP has a strong guild presence either right now. Vok is running once a week. Invictus is playing about 2 days a week. Pact Militia is seen about twice a week. Drac plays regularly, but that's about it for regular organized guild groups at the moment.

Kush picks up lfgs, which is good, but then they vacuum up every lfg in zone. That's not a good thing when they are off pvdooring with 40+ people instead of defending home keeps and there are no extra bodies to help the solo/small group players trying to defend those.

EP doesn't have a strong presence, lol lol lol that's a good one. When they removed seeing aoes from the same faction did they remove the ability to see other EP as well. Best troll post so far this thread.

Put away your stereotype first. Thank you.

Prince_of_all_Pugs

I really hate being that guy but hey someones gotta do it. On AD there are alot of players who play solo however all they do is zerg serf other groups and the faction zerg/i], this is the only way they can play (or choose to play). that being said, ad has recently had a sudden crash of population meaning that there is no zerg for those players to serf and hence they cannot make AP. the only thing those players could do is reroll DC, a faction that caters to this play style. According to most dc, this play style is accepted and even favored by most(not all). On DC one can be solo while running in a VE stack of 20 and still be considered "solo". On dc 4-5 small man groups often stack together mere meters apart from each other, fighting together with almost perfect cohesion and yet, they still consider this small manning. Im not here to make fun of anyone but its the truth mortals. And for those outnumbered AD keep up the good fight, yall are warriors .

CyrusArya

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

I really hate being that guy but hey someones gotta do it. On AD there are alot of players who play solo however all they do is zerg serf other groups and the faction zerg/i], this is the only way they can play (or choose to play). that being said, ad has recently had a sudden crash of population meaning that there is no zerg for those players to serf and hence they cannot make AP. the only thing those players could do is reroll DC, a faction that caters to this play style. According to most dc, this play style is accepted and even favored by most(not all). On DC one can be solo while running in a VE stack of 20 and still be considered "solo". On dc 4-5 small man groups often stack together mere meters apart from each other, fighting together with almost perfect cohesion and yet, they still consider this small manning. Im not here to make fun of anyone but its the truth mortals. And for those outnumbered AD keep up the good fight, yall are warriors .

Asserting someone else's position for them is some kind of logical fallacy. I don't know who these people are that you refer to, but only an ignorant would consider Zerg surfing or playing alongside other groups to be solo or small scale PvP. Whoever these people are, they are posers. That being said, indeed most of DC is zerglings, whether organized or pug. But this is true of all factions.

Vilestride

These petty squabbles of the living are irrelevant, there is only one true enemy, the night king! 'Abah Z'sorc' and his legions freezing the map while you sleep, unchecked, unchallenged. We must band together brothers and defend the realm for the night is dark and full of zerglings!




Abah. Just wish there was some guild presence to fight you :P

antihero727

m0j0r1s1ng wrote: »

I think this has been touched upon, but I am curious why AD thinks they have or are more susceptible to having "casual", "crown cow cash store", "pre-Morrowind solo build", immature (using the words I see above) noobs who need to "get gud"?

When I first started playing ESO (only about 9 months ago), I picked, purely by chance as I have no history with TES lore, a Redguard templar and was, thus, a DC. If I had listened to a podcast I was listening to at the time (Tales of Tamriel?), I should have rolled EP. I am a noob to this game, yet I didn't land in AD.

I would think that, in fact, AD would end up with an equal share of these unsavoury beginner types (tongue firmly in cheek) as any other faction.

What I see, as a mostly solo, somewhat casual player who only recently joined a PVP guild and would typically just zone chat "lfg" is that each faction has pugs that argue with others in zone chat, that resist joining groups that demand staying on crown and/or voice comms, that complain about other groups doing stupid tactics, that complain about the faction as a whole ("just DC being DC" is heard a lot, even when we are ticking 70+).

So my basic question is why would AD be any worse off in all this than the other 2 factions? Might it be, just going out on a limb here, cyclical? Oh and wtf, AD just won Vivec 2 campaigns ago and now we are talking about the downfall of an entire faction?

the quotes said above were directed at what ZOS would rather cater to than "hard core" players. It is true that the majority of AD pvp is casual for the most part. We like to play with friends more than being the best of the best of the best from most of the AD guilds I know of (most of them). My post is not ment to be petty and salty but this is what I have run into training the last 30 newer players asking for help. I train and make builds for lots of veteran players that get great results after patches and meta changes. My days of being at the head of the pack are over but I am willing to help those who seek help and do not know everything already.

PS When we get a solid group of AD that can put up a fight vs 40 the other factions resort to bringing 60 then 80 if that isn't enough becuse they can't have AD getting organised.

NBrookus

antihero727 wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

FWIW, I don't think EP has a strong guild presence either right now. Vok is running once a week. Invictus is playing about 2 days a week. Pact Militia is seen about twice a week. Drac plays regularly, but that's about it for regular organized guild groups at the moment.

Kush picks up lfgs, which is good, but then they vacuum up every lfg in zone. That's not a good thing when they are off pvdooring with 40+ people instead of defending home keeps and there are no extra bodies to help the solo/small group players trying to defend those.

EP doesn't have a strong presence, lol lol lol that's a good one. When they removed seeing aoes from the same faction did they remove the ability to see other EP as well. Best troll post so far this thread.

It's not about numbers it's about organization. All 3 factions are usually even in population in prime time; pop locked or 3 bars across. The raw numbers are there for every faction. DC has more organized groups running on a nightly basis in Vivec than either other faction right now.

P.S. And that's still really only 2 guilds, VE and BoD. Perhaps Pugs of Daggerfall qualifies, but they mostly seem to follow BoD around.

badmojo

Magus wrote: »

It's easy to fall into the trap of hating other players and saying I want to grind them into the ground so hard that their play time is miserable and then they quit the game.... except, suppose you succeed in that, that's less players to fight against, less PVP content. PVP is dying not growing in this game, so this mindset needs to go away.

I feel like this is a response to my comment.

I have hated AD since beta, but it's more of a role play thing than me actually wishing them to delete all their characters. It's kind of a rivalry thing I have for them. I respect them by hating them. I even have an AD Khajit who, like most AD, is a coward and runs away from most fights. She's rocking the Cowards set and Jailbreaker, along with steed stone mundas to make sure that hard cap is more than hit and potential is wasted. I also deleted an AD sorc few years ago and remade him on DC, to go along with my story of him killing his brother and then seeking asylum in DC.

I blame Angry Joe for ruining AD.

But, realistically speaking no faction will simply quit the game, if the majority of AD ever did, people from DC and EP would switch to AD characters.... because I believe a lot of veteran PVPers enjoy being the underdog.

zyk

m0j0r1s1ng wrote: »

So my basic question is why would AD be any worse off in all this than the other 2 factions? Might it be, just going out on a limb here, cyclical? Oh and wtf, AD just won Vivec 2 campaigns ago and now we are talking about the downfall of an entire faction?

AD has grown as many or more competitive players as other factions. If half of the players AD lost, who still play, came back, we'd have some pretty decent 3-way PVP, I think.

This is the 2nd mass exodus AD has faced. The first occurred around the start of 1.5. AD rebuilt, but around 2.4 began to bleed players again, resulting in the position we're in now.

Most people are followers. We all know that, right? EP and DC have some popular guilds and communities that AD lacked and our experienced players left to join them. What started as a trickle became a flood as familiar faces made the other teams easier to switch to.

It's important to note, this is not only limited to guilds. In fact, I'd say it's mostly not large guilds. It's players of all types, including those who bolster the ranks of top guilds, but also solo and small group players. AD used to have pretty good lane surfers, but even most of those play for the other teams now. AD randoms used to be able to defend objectives, but that is now very rarely true.

This situation reminds me of the tragedy of the commons. Players are acting in short term self-interest and that's ruined competitive parity, making the game less interesting. Eventually those currently enjoying the easy wins will get bored and leave. It's a macrocosm of a public first person shooter server without auto team balancing.

When this last happened during 1.5, I told a friend, "The storm that brings harm also makes fertile," which was true then. But now, AvA has a dwindling playerbase and I don't think AD can rebuild from the ground up the way it did before. I think we'll need remaining PVP players to consider long-term self-interest if they want to continue playing decent AvA.

In the larger picture, this is on ZOS for not providing any mechanisms to encourage parity and right-size fights. ESO AvA is inherently toxic with a culture of the strong actively seeking the weak. The problem is that among those weak are new players who are less likely to develop into experienced players in these conditions.

Rohamad_Ali

badmojo wrote: »

AD are scum. I hope they all delete their characters and join DC.

Why would you want scum joining your faction ?

Telel

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

AD are scum. I hope they all delete their characters and join DC.

Why would you want scum joining your faction ?

This one thinks it may have something to do with the Bloop's 'wall of small mans' strategy. Which is entirely different from zerging because they've quite colorfully said it's not the same thing.

BY the way did you know small man zergs are a thing now? Apparently taking up to six people, and not standing in a pile of other people while rushing mindlessly at empty keepss is now zerging. But only if you do it with fewer than half the numbers used to run you down. The chap who brought over a dozen to explain this to khajiit was most insistent on that last bit of criteria.

Vilestride

Telel wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

AD are scum. I hope they all delete their characters and join DC.

Why would you want scum joining your faction ?

This one thinks it may have something to do with the Bloop's 'wall of small mans' strategy. Which is entirely different from zerging because they've quite colorfully said it's not the same thing.

BY the way did you know small man zergs are a thing now? Apparently taking up to six people, and not standing in a pile of other people while rushing mindlessly at empty keepss is now zerging. But only if you do it with fewer than half the numbers used to run you down. The chap who brought over a dozen to explain this to khajiit was most insistent on that last bit of criteria.

Zerg seems to only be definable as 'more people than you at any given time'.

WaltherCarraway

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

I really hate being that guy but hey someones gotta do it. On AD there are alot of players who play solo however all they do is zerg serf other groups and the faction zerg/i], this is the only way they can play (or choose to play). that being said, ad has recently had a sudden crash of population meaning that there is no zerg for those players to serf and hence they cannot make AP. the only thing those players could do is reroll DC, a faction that caters to this play style. According to most dc, this play style is accepted and even favored by most(not all). On DC one can be solo while running in a VE stack of 20 and still be considered "solo". On dc 4-5 small man groups often stack together mere meters apart from each other, fighting together with almost perfect cohesion and yet, they still consider this small manning. Im not here to make fun of anyone but its the truth mortals. And for those outnumbered AD keep up the good fight, yall are warriors .

What makes you think that DC players are inherently more superior than others. LOL

Soul_Demon

zyk wrote: »

If you're trying to drive the remaining AD from Vivec, GJ.

Despite the fact AD is hopelessly behind in the score, we face constant pressure from groups of all sizes. When I look at the groups hitting us, I see many ex-AD who have joined the farm AD bandwagon.

It's pretty clear most of you aren't interested in actually good, competitive fights.

I always found these "we need more players" posts rather sad and transparent....but in this case cant resist commenting on last nights showing for AD. Three full raids in one spot all night long. This turned game into slideshow, crashed and froze every person in my group (12 players) at least twice each. Lost a few players who couldn't take the ques after being force crashed out by AD Tri-raid taking each and every objective refusing to break up. Good news is, DC was only running two full raids all night long on the other side of the map and was kind enough to send VE over to nearly every location where we were attempting to take the Tri- raid down.....what a great bunch of players.

AD and DC- you don't need any more callouts in Forums if you are stacking two or three full raids together in primetime.

PenguinInACan

Soul_Demon wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

If you're trying to drive the remaining AD from Vivec, GJ.

Despite the fact AD is hopelessly behind in the score, we face constant pressure from groups of all sizes. When I look at the groups hitting us, I see many ex-AD who have joined the farm AD bandwagon.

It's pretty clear most of you aren't interested in actually good, competitive fights.

I always found these "we need more players" posts rather sad and transparent....but in this case cant resist commenting on last nights showing for AD. Three full raids in one spot all night long. This turned game into slideshow, crashed and froze every person in my group (12 players) at least twice each. Lost a few players who couldn't take the ques after being force crashed out by AD Tri-raid taking each and every objective refusing to break up. Good news is, DC was only running two full raids all night long on the other side of the map and was kind enough to send VE over to nearly every location where we were attempting to take the Tri- raid down.....what a great bunch of players.

AD and DC- you don't need any more callouts in Forums if you are stacking two or three full raids together in primetime.

All I'm seeing here is a normal weekend primetime population distribution. Nobody is saying there aren't pug zergs on all sides moving in a straight line. I don't understand how this can be new to anyone. 60 man EP/DC/AD zergs should be expected on weekends...

If all you have to complain about is "too many players" then clearly there isn't a decent organized AD group running around causing enough havoc to spill salt onto the forums. Proving AD needs more forum callouts.