is it eso or it all mmos

Chilly-McFreeze

It's neither, it's you.

You feel bad about duelling.
You feel squeezed and screwed.
You want an auction house.

Others do not.

SydneyGrey

The "cash grab" criticism ... Some MMOs charge for EVERY DLC/expansion. With ESO, you get most everything for free with the price of a subscription, which is super cheap. There are a whole lot of MMOs who "cash grab" more than ZOS. When they stopped mandatory subscriptions, they started encouraging people to shop in the crown store more to make up for that direct revenue loss. Who cares. It's not a big deal. They have to make money some way. The only way I'd be upset about it is if they decided to start pay-to-win sales in the crown store. (For example, selling overpowered armor sets in there instead of just cosmetics that no one needs.)

Talon_Draconis

Waffennacht wrote: »

If magic was real, I'd be casting fire balls everywhere too...

And wouldn't the guards react buy either killing you or arresting you

Zvorgin

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

I

Zvorgin wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

What I wanted from eso was daggerfall online a vast world where i could play how I wanted be lone thief sneaking into a shop
Or a mighty General leading a army of knights in the tes world

What we ended up with is a bunch of Arena where CC warriors all the same fight it out he who has the best CC balance wins

Been playing Elite dangerous does not have the versatility of FRPG but I am star ship captain and with the whole galaxy open to me.

So you wanted a single player game that revolved around you? Ever thought about just ignoring people as you play as a thief or forming a group in Cyrodiil to "lead knights into battle"?

It amazes me how many people think an MMO should cater to their exact personal needs. You probably should quit and go play a single player game.

I want living world that has other players that I can interact with...I don't have to be the only hero but I want my character to be unique and abilly to become the king or villain and other people factions striving to change the world

You want a game that solely revolves around you, got it.

tinythinker

So despite the fact that most older, recent, announced, and known to be in planning stages content is PvE, a few battlegrounds make ESO a PvP game? I guess it's also a solo progression challenge game because of vMA. Orrrrr... people tend to exaggerate what they don't want or like.

The extensive cash shop focus is a shame but that was inevitable once B2P was announced.

Talon_Draconis

Zvorgin wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

I

Zvorgin wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

What I wanted from eso was daggerfall online a vast world where i could play how I wanted be lone thief sneaking into a shop
Or a mighty General leading a army of knights in the tes world

What we ended up with is a bunch of Arena where CC warriors all the same fight it out he who has the best CC balance wins

Been playing Elite dangerous does not have the versatility of FRPG but I am star ship captain and with the whole galaxy open to me.

So you wanted a single player game that revolved around you? Ever thought about just ignoring people as you play as a thief or forming a group in Cyrodiil to "lead knights into battle"?

It amazes me how many people think an MMO should cater to their exact personal needs. You probably should quit and go play a single player game.

I want living world that has other players that I can interact with...I don't have to be the only hero but I want my character to be unique and abilly to become the king or villain and other people factions striving to change the world

You want a game that solely revolves around you, got it.

Note entirely true
Well take elite dangerous I a star ship owner/operator there are only few stations witch i trade regularly even know I exist.
BUT I can find a new habitual planet which I can name .
I can discover information about a mysterious race invading our area of the galaxy
I can effect local politics by going on missions
I can become notorious and have other players chase me for the bounty
I can be Han solo
I can do so mayny things but there are also 1000s of pilots just like me but each has the potential to change the course of the galaxy

That is what I want from eso
I loved the lore and story of eso it could of went in the direction of other tes games but it went turned into just anouter mmo wow wantabe
I want the living world of tes game with the scial aspects of mmo

Zvorgin

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

I

Zvorgin wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

What I wanted from eso was daggerfall online a vast world where i could play how I wanted be lone thief sneaking into a shop
Or a mighty General leading a army of knights in the tes world

What we ended up with is a bunch of Arena where CC warriors all the same fight it out he who has the best CC balance wins

Been playing Elite dangerous does not have the versatility of FRPG but I am star ship captain and with the whole galaxy open to me.

So you wanted a single player game that revolved around you? Ever thought about just ignoring people as you play as a thief or forming a group in Cyrodiil to "lead knights into battle"?

It amazes me how many people think an MMO should cater to their exact personal needs. You probably should quit and go play a single player game.

I want living world that has other players that I can interact with...I don't have to be the only hero but I want my character to be unique and abilly to become the king or villain and other people factions striving to change the world

You want a game that solely revolves around you, got it.

Note entirely true
Well take elite dangerous I a star ship owner/operator there are only few stations witch i trade regularly even know I exist.
BUT I can find a new habitual planet which I can name .
I can discover information about a mysterious race invading our area of the galaxy
I can effect local politics by going on missions
I can become notorious and have other players chase me for the bounty
I can be Han solo
I can do so mayny things but there are also 1000s of pilots just like me but each has the potential to change the course of the galaxy

That is what I want from eso
I loved the lore and story of eso it could of went in the direction of other tes games but it went turned into just anouter mmo wow wantabe
I want the living world of tes game with the scial aspects of mmo

Solution: go play Eve Online.

SanTii.92

Sigtric wrote: »

Besides bots, which are no where near as bad a problem as people make them out to be (should have seen it during the first six months of PC release for comparison) all these issues are personal opinions on the game.

It's not ESO and it's not all MMOs. It's you.

You got to appreciate when the thread is over with just a couple replys.

Talon_Draconis

Zvorgin wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

I

Zvorgin wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

What I wanted from eso was daggerfall online a vast world where i could play how I wanted be lone thief sneaking into a shop
Or a mighty General leading a army of knights in the tes world

What we ended up with is a bunch of Arena where CC warriors all the same fight it out he who has the best CC balance wins

Been playing Elite dangerous does not have the versatility of FRPG but I am star ship captain and with the whole galaxy open to me.

So you wanted a single player game that revolved around you? Ever thought about just ignoring people as you play as a thief or forming a group in Cyrodiil to "lead knights into battle"?

It amazes me how many people think an MMO should cater to their exact personal needs. You probably should quit and go play a single player game.

I want living world that has other players that I can interact with...I don't have to be the only hero but I want my character to be unique and abilly to become the king or villain and other people factions striving to change the world

You want a game that solely revolves around you, got it.

Note entirely true
Well take elite dangerous I a star ship owner/operator there are only few stations witch i trade regularly even know I exist.
BUT I can find a new habitual planet which I can name .
I can discover information about a mysterious race invading our area of the galaxy
I can effect local politics by going on missions
I can become notorious and have other players chase me for the bounty
I can be Han solo
I can do so mayny things but there are also 1000s of pilots just like me but each has the potential to change the course of the galaxy

That is what I want from eso
I loved the lore and story of eso it could of went in the direction of other tes games but it went turned into just anouter mmo wow wantabe
I want the living world of tes game with the scial aspects of mmo

Solution: go play Eve Online.

I do like eve online but main problems is too stagnate there is no opportunity
ESO had/has potential to become one of greatest mmos but it can't do it by becoming a wow clone

Zvorgin

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

I

Zvorgin wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

What I wanted from eso was daggerfall online a vast world where i could play how I wanted be lone thief sneaking into a shop
Or a mighty General leading a army of knights in the tes world

What we ended up with is a bunch of Arena where CC warriors all the same fight it out he who has the best CC balance wins

Been playing Elite dangerous does not have the versatility of FRPG but I am star ship captain and with the whole galaxy open to me.

So you wanted a single player game that revolved around you? Ever thought about just ignoring people as you play as a thief or forming a group in Cyrodiil to "lead knights into battle"?

It amazes me how many people think an MMO should cater to their exact personal needs. You probably should quit and go play a single player game.

I want living world that has other players that I can interact with...I don't have to be the only hero but I want my character to be unique and abilly to become the king or villain and other people factions striving to change the world

You want a game that solely revolves around you, got it.

Note entirely true
Well take elite dangerous I a star ship owner/operator there are only few stations witch i trade regularly even know I exist.
BUT I can find a new habitual planet which I can name .
I can discover information about a mysterious race invading our area of the galaxy
I can effect local politics by going on missions
I can become notorious and have other players chase me for the bounty
I can be Han solo
I can do so mayny things but there are also 1000s of pilots just like me but each has the potential to change the course of the galaxy

That is what I want from eso
I loved the lore and story of eso it could of went in the direction of other tes games but it went turned into just anouter mmo wow wantabe
I want the living world of tes game with the scial aspects of mmo

Solution: go play Eve Online.

I do like eve online but main problems is too stagnate there is no opportunity
ESO had/has potential to become one of greatest mmos but it can't do it by becoming a wow clone

Clearly wasting our time here, you have made up your mind and decided your opinions are fact.

Absolut_Turkey

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

I

Zvorgin wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

What I wanted from eso was daggerfall online a vast world where i could play how I wanted be lone thief sneaking into a shop
Or a mighty General leading a army of knights in the tes world

What we ended up with is a bunch of Arena where CC warriors all the same fight it out he who has the best CC balance wins

Been playing Elite dangerous does not have the versatility of FRPG but I am star ship captain and with the whole galaxy open to me.

So you wanted a single player game that revolved around you? Ever thought about just ignoring people as you play as a thief or forming a group in Cyrodiil to "lead knights into battle"?

It amazes me how many people think an MMO should cater to their exact personal needs. You probably should quit and go play a single player game.

I want living world that has other players that I can interact with...I don't have to be the only hero but I want my character to be unique and abilly to become the king or villain and other people factions striving to change the world

You want a game that solely revolves around you, got it.

Note entirely true
Well take elite dangerous I a star ship owner/operator there are only few stations witch i trade regularly even know I exist.
BUT I can find a new habitual planet which I can name .
I can discover information about a mysterious race invading our area of the galaxy
I can effect local politics by going on missions
I can become notorious and have other players chase me for the bounty
I can be Han solo
I can do so mayny things but there are also 1000s of pilots just like me but each has the potential to change the course of the galaxy

That is what I want from eso
I loved the lore and story of eso it could of went in the direction of other tes games but it went turned into just anouter mmo wow wantabe
I want the living world of tes game with the scial aspects of mmo

Solution: go play Eve Online.

I do like eve online but main problems is too stagnate there is no opportunity
ESO had/has potential to become one of greatest mmos but it can't do it by becoming a wow clone

You think ESO is becoming a WoW clone?
*facepalm*
Ok...this thread is done. Dude, go play something else.

khele23eb17_ESO

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

What I really want PNP game on the computer...

Check out Divinity Original Sin 2.

Talon_Draconis

Zvorgin wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

I

Zvorgin wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

What I wanted from eso was daggerfall online a vast world where i could play how I wanted be lone thief sneaking into a shop
Or a mighty General leading a army of knights in the tes world

What we ended up with is a bunch of Arena where CC warriors all the same fight it out he who has the best CC balance wins

Been playing Elite dangerous does not have the versatility of FRPG but I am star ship captain and with the whole galaxy open to me.

So you wanted a single player game that revolved around you? Ever thought about just ignoring people as you play as a thief or forming a group in Cyrodiil to "lead knights into battle"?

It amazes me how many people think an MMO should cater to their exact personal needs. You probably should quit and go play a single player game.

I want living world that has other players that I can interact with...I don't have to be the only hero but I want my character to be unique and abilly to become the king or villain and other people factions striving to change the world

You want a game that solely revolves around you, got it.

Note entirely true
Well take elite dangerous I a star ship owner/operator there are only few stations witch i trade regularly even know I exist.
BUT I can find a new habitual planet which I can name .
I can discover information about a mysterious race invading our area of the galaxy
I can effect local politics by going on missions
I can become notorious and have other players chase me for the bounty
I can be Han solo
I can do so mayny things but there are also 1000s of pilots just like me but each has the potential to change the course of the galaxy

That is what I want from eso
I loved the lore and story of eso it could of went in the direction of other tes games but it went turned into just anouter mmo wow wantabe
I want the living world of tes game with the scial aspects of mmo

Solution: go play Eve Online.

I do like eve online but main problems is too stagnate there is no opportunity
ESO had/has potential to become one of greatest mmos but it can't do it by becoming a wow clone

Clearly wasting our time here, you have made up your mind and decided your opinions are fact.

No
I love the tes world it just that eso is going down the path that other mmos have gone
Instead increasing the opportunity to have unique game experience be a hero or villain in living world with evolving story it is becoming another wow clone.
Seen it happen many times with many MMOs
It is not too late for ESO
I hate to say it but like most things this day and age it is most profitable to cater to lowest common demonanator and the bar becomes lower and lower.
The movie idorocy is real

Zvorgin

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

I

Zvorgin wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

What I wanted from eso was daggerfall online a vast world where i could play how I wanted be lone thief sneaking into a shop
Or a mighty General leading a army of knights in the tes world

What we ended up with is a bunch of Arena where CC warriors all the same fight it out he who has the best CC balance wins

Been playing Elite dangerous does not have the versatility of FRPG but I am star ship captain and with the whole galaxy open to me.

So you wanted a single player game that revolved around you? Ever thought about just ignoring people as you play as a thief or forming a group in Cyrodiil to "lead knights into battle"?

It amazes me how many people think an MMO should cater to their exact personal needs. You probably should quit and go play a single player game.

I want living world that has other players that I can interact with...I don't have to be the only hero but I want my character to be unique and abilly to become the king or villain and other people factions striving to change the world

You want a game that solely revolves around you, got it.

Note entirely true
Well take elite dangerous I a star ship owner/operator there are only few stations witch i trade regularly even know I exist.
BUT I can find a new habitual planet which I can name .
I can discover information about a mysterious race invading our area of the galaxy
I can effect local politics by going on missions
I can become notorious and have other players chase me for the bounty
I can be Han solo
I can do so mayny things but there are also 1000s of pilots just like me but each has the potential to change the course of the galaxy

That is what I want from eso
I loved the lore and story of eso it could of went in the direction of other tes games but it went turned into just anouter mmo wow wantabe
I want the living world of tes game with the scial aspects of mmo

Solution: go play Eve Online.

I do like eve online but main problems is too stagnate there is no opportunity
ESO had/has potential to become one of greatest mmos but it can't do it by becoming a wow clone

Clearly wasting our time here, you have made up your mind and decided your opinions are fact.

No
I love the tes world it just that eso is going down the path that other mmos have gone
Instead increasing the opportunity to have unique game experience be a hero or villain in living world with evolving story it is becoming another wow clone.
Seen it happen many times with many MMOs
It is not too late for ESO
I hate to say it but like most things this day and age it is most profitable to cater to lowest common demonanator and the bar becomes lower and lower.
The movie idorocy is real

Are you aware of what an opinion is? None of what you are saying is fact.

Talon_Draconis

Zvorgin wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

I

Zvorgin wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

What I wanted from eso was daggerfall online a vast world where i could play how I wanted be lone thief sneaking into a shop
Or a mighty General leading a army of knights in the tes world

What we ended up with is a bunch of Arena where CC warriors all the same fight it out he who has the best CC balance wins

Been playing Elite dangerous does not have the versatility of FRPG but I am star ship captain and with the whole galaxy open to me.

So you wanted a single player game that revolved around you? Ever thought about just ignoring people as you play as a thief or forming a group in Cyrodiil to "lead knights into battle"?

It amazes me how many people think an MMO should cater to their exact personal needs. You probably should quit and go play a single player game.

I want living world that has other players that I can interact with...I don't have to be the only hero but I want my character to be unique and abilly to become the king or villain and other people factions striving to change the world

You want a game that solely revolves around you, got it.

Note entirely true
Well take elite dangerous I a star ship owner/operator there are only few stations witch i trade regularly even know I exist.
BUT I can find a new habitual planet which I can name .
I can discover information about a mysterious race invading our area of the galaxy
I can effect local politics by going on missions
I can become notorious and have other players chase me for the bounty
I can be Han solo
I can do so mayny things but there are also 1000s of pilots just like me but each has the potential to change the course of the galaxy

That is what I want from eso
I loved the lore and story of eso it could of went in the direction of other tes games but it went turned into just anouter mmo wow wantabe
I want the living world of tes game with the scial aspects of mmo

Solution: go play Eve Online.

I do like eve online but main problems is too stagnate there is no opportunity
ESO had/has potential to become one of greatest mmos but it can't do it by becoming a wow clone

Clearly wasting our time here, you have made up your mind and decided your opinions are fact.

No
I love the tes world it just that eso is going down the path that other mmos have gone
Instead increasing the opportunity to have unique game experience be a hero or villain in living world with evolving story it is becoming another wow clone.
Seen it happen many times with many MMOs
It is not too late for ESO
I hate to say it but like most things this day and age it is most profitable to cater to lowest common demonanator and the bar becomes lower and lower.
The movie idorocy is real

Are you aware of what an opinion is? None of what you are saying is fact.

Fact
Morrwind was a cash grab screwing over long time sub by changing the definition of DLC
Fact
Bots and gold sellers are on the increase
Fact
Recent event was to promote PVP
Fact
Recent changes in skills have been instituted to balance PVP
Fact
PVP uses more system resources causing lag and disconects

Datolite

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

It mostly sounds like a personal oppinion your speaking of based on a number of the points brought up. Maybe take a break or something. No game is worth all that stress.

Not stress it's just that every time I invest in mmo it always starts out interesting and fun concepts
But always degrades in to generic farming gold buying bots and no interesting content story.
Devolves into a generic PVP gear game wither every character is nerfed into blandness in the name of pvp balance
And then the gold sellers and bots take over to sell biz gear that everybody is equipped with

What I loved about tes games and eso was the story and quests
It is now turinging int pvp arena with anything outside of pvp turning int bot farms and in the citys nothing but gold sellers

This sounds like one big exaggeration to me. And many of your previous points too.

I think dueling is great and I welcome random fighting rings in the main cities (and in the open world). It's optional, so if you don't like PvP you don't need to participate. Otherwise it's great for immersion. Players make the cities come alive.

I haven't seen a single gold seller in zone chat BTW and only heard of a couple of instances of botting. ESO is one of the cleanest MMOs out there when it comes to exploiting and gold farming.

PvP is full of great builds and as balanced as one can expect in a game where anyone can choose any play style they like. Just because one of your sets or skills was hit with a nerf bat don't assume it's gonna be the downfall of your character. And for many of us, PvP is the ultimate end game and we appreciate that ZOS gives it a bit of love now and then. Beyond that this is still 90% a PvE game, with most of that content being solo.

Zvorgin

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

I

Zvorgin wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

What I wanted from eso was daggerfall online a vast world where i could play how I wanted be lone thief sneaking into a shop
Or a mighty General leading a army of knights in the tes world

What we ended up with is a bunch of Arena where CC warriors all the same fight it out he who has the best CC balance wins

Been playing Elite dangerous does not have the versatility of FRPG but I am star ship captain and with the whole galaxy open to me.

So you wanted a single player game that revolved around you? Ever thought about just ignoring people as you play as a thief or forming a group in Cyrodiil to "lead knights into battle"?

It amazes me how many people think an MMO should cater to their exact personal needs. You probably should quit and go play a single player game.

I want living world that has other players that I can interact with...I don't have to be the only hero but I want my character to be unique and abilly to become the king or villain and other people factions striving to change the world

You want a game that solely revolves around you, got it.

Note entirely true
Well take elite dangerous I a star ship owner/operator there are only few stations witch i trade regularly even know I exist.
BUT I can find a new habitual planet which I can name .
I can discover information about a mysterious race invading our area of the galaxy
I can effect local politics by going on missions
I can become notorious and have other players chase me for the bounty
I can be Han solo
I can do so mayny things but there are also 1000s of pilots just like me but each has the potential to change the course of the galaxy

That is what I want from eso
I loved the lore and story of eso it could of went in the direction of other tes games but it went turned into just anouter mmo wow wantabe
I want the living world of tes game with the scial aspects of mmo

Solution: go play Eve Online.

I do like eve online but main problems is too stagnate there is no opportunity
ESO had/has potential to become one of greatest mmos but it can't do it by becoming a wow clone

Clearly wasting our time here, you have made up your mind and decided your opinions are fact.

No
I love the tes world it just that eso is going down the path that other mmos have gone
Instead increasing the opportunity to have unique game experience be a hero or villain in living world with evolving story it is becoming another wow clone.
Seen it happen many times with many MMOs
It is not too late for ESO
I hate to say it but like most things this day and age it is most profitable to cater to lowest common demonanator and the bar becomes lower and lower.
The movie idorocy is real

Are you aware of what an opinion is? None of what you are saying is fact.

You actually don't know the difference between a fact and an opinion, this thread makes sense now.

Fact
Morrwind was a cash grab screwing over long time sub by changing the definition of DLC - This is actually an opinion
Fact
Bots and gold sellers are on the increase - this is also an opinion unless you have figures released by Zos, but you don't because they haven't, so you think you see more botters and gold sellers, but that's still an opinion even though it may be an informed opinion
Fact
Recent event was to promote PVP - your opinion is that this is bad
Fact
Recent changes in skills have been instituted to balance PVP - this is an opinion and just wrong, recent changes were put in place because PvE and PvP had zero effort required to sustain and the game was too easy across the board
Fact
PVP uses more system resources causing lag and disconects - also an opinion unless you have figures from Zos stating the amount of dedicated resources needed for PvE and PvP

Ardaghion

datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »

I think dueling is great and I welcome random fighting rings in the main cities (and in the open world). It's optional, so if you don't like PvP you don't need to participate. Otherwise it's great for immersion. Players make the cities come alive.

I haven't seen a single gold seller in zone chat BTW and only heard of a couple of instances of botting. ESO is one of the cleanest MMOs out there when it comes to exploiting and gold farming.

PvP is full of great builds and as balanced as one can expect in a game where anyone can choose any play style they like. Just because one of your sets or skills was hit with a nerf bat don't assume it's gonna be the downfall of your character. And for many of us, PvP is the ultimate end game and we appreciate that ZOS gives it a bit of love now and then. Beyond that this is still 90% a PvE game, with most of that content being solo.

While I think dueling is fine and fun I wish major hubs would require dueling to be in designated areas! Seems in most major hubs the dueling is always right around the wayshrine. I can understand why of course, player congregations and usually an open flat area. I think it would be great if players could go to a designated area and duel, other players could go to watch or join in, against the victors.

I'm on Xbox and haven't seen any bots but I have seen farmers, dozens of low level players with random names, no Xbox gaming history, staying in a single area using pets and heavy attacks pointed at spawn points. I have seen gold sellers advertising gold websites on zone chat, the website address masked by adding characters between each letter. Probably trying to avoid game filters.

AlMcFly

I read OP's post, and all I could see was:

"When everything was new and fresh, the game was great. Now that very few things are new and fresh, it's no longer great."

News flash OP: the game was never as you idealized it to be. It's almost always been relatively the same as it is now. You just didn't see it because your "rose tinted fresh" goggles hadn't come off yet.

If you don't think the game is great, that's yoir opinion, and I wish you well elsewhere. Don't make the mistake of claiming this game used to be great and now it's not. No, your perception has just changed. That's all.

Megabear

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

I have just about giving up on eso
The game started out great TES like mmo able to make a unique character crafting was fun etc
One tam was good able to see new lands new quests etc
Orcimum was good
The only problem with the world was too crowded and one tam brought in dueling in towns witch really destroyed immersion for me

Then things stared to go down hill
Zmax started trying to sqieeze us for money started with non cosmetic stuff in the crown store
The housing system where you can't store your stuff.
Morrwind cash grab although morowwind does not ad much stuff but all events and new dlc need morrowind to fully experience
They really screwed over thier sub base with this

Now technical difficulty
Bots and gold sellers running rampant turning the game into another linage 2
Refusal to give us a Auction house as option to gold buyers and sellers
Change for PVE game to PVP game

Maybe it evolution of mmo game but I find myself playing eso less and less
Been spending most of my time between elite dangerous and diablo

In my experience all MMO's are like this and in most cases even worse. That is why I quit MMO for nearly a decade before ESO. FF15 actually is much better than ESO in terms of what you've listed, but overall ESO is still a better game in my opinion.

Talon_Draconis

Ardaghion wrote: »

datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »

I think dueling is great and I welcome random fighting rings in the main cities (and in the open world). It's optional, so if you don't like PvP you don't need to participate. Otherwise it's great for immersion. Players make the cities come alive.

I haven't seen a single gold seller in zone chat BTW and only heard of a couple of instances of botting. ESO is one of the cleanest MMOs out there when it comes to exploiting and gold farming.

PvP is full of great builds and as balanced as one can expect in a game where anyone can choose any play style they like. Just because one of your sets or skills was hit with a nerf bat don't assume it's gonna be the downfall of your character. And for many of us, PvP is the ultimate end game and we appreciate that ZOS gives it a bit of love now and then. Beyond that this is still 90% a PvE game, with most of that content being solo.

While I think dueling is fine and fun I wish major hubs would require dueling to be in designated areas! Seems in most major hubs the dueling is always right around the wayshrine. I can understand why of course, player congregations and usually an open flat area. I think it would be great if players could go to a designated area and duel, other players could go to watch or join in, against the victors.

I'm on Xbox and haven't seen any bots but I have seen farmers, dozens of low level players with random names, no Xbox gaming history, staying in a single area using pets and heavy attacks pointed at spawn points. I have seen gold sellers advertising gold websites on zone chat, the website address masked by adding characters between each letter. Probably trying to avoid game filters.

I would like there to be consequences to dueling
If 2 gangs started a gunfight in front of a downtown subway station shooting and throwing sticks of dynamite at each other how long would you think it would before the army arrives or at least a swat team

BlazingDynamo

Morrowind was a let down as far as 'chapters' go. Yeah the zone is big and the questing was great but where's the rest of the content?... I paid 40 bucks for it, it should have came with a couple 4 man dungeons maybe 2 trials and some type of group arena. I can only hope they expand and learn for the next chapter. Because what's destroying the game now is it took them far too damn long to figure out a solid content schedule.

Had this years updates happened after the launch of ESO, the game would be in a far more healthier state.

They still have a ways to go to satisfy, I can only hope they figure it out sooner than later.

PlagueSD

My Golden Rule for MMO's. Stop playing when they are no longer fun. This is why I stopped playing WoW. When the "panda" expansion came out, the game was so dumbed down that there was no longer any variety in character skill points. You could no longer choose multiple trees.

I did the same with ESO. When I couldn't beat the manimarco fight (solo quests are stupid IMO in an MMO game) on my stam nightblade back before one tamriel, I stopped playing for a while. I came back to a much more enjoyable game once One Tamriel was released.

Spacemonkey

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

I have just about giving up on eso
The game started out great TES like mmo able to make a unique character crafting was fun etc
One tam was good able to see new lands new quests etc
Orcimum was good

Ok

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

The only problem with the world was too crowded and one tam brought in dueling in towns witch really destroyed immersion for me

Thats just you. All mmos (generally) have this. Its the whole point of an mmo. Why would you suffer lag, generalized content (i.e. a game that does plenty of stuff halfway instead of a game that does a few things very well) if you want to play alone. If you only wish to play alone a mmo is not for you. There are plenty of great rpgs that come out every year.

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Then things stared to go down hill
Zmax started trying to sqieeze us for money started with non cosmetic stuff in the crown store

Common in mmos that have been out for a while, they need money influx once the initial wave of purchases dwindle down.

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

The housing system where you can't store your stuff.

so? They never advertised that you would be able too. Ive played mmos where you could barely even place anything at all. This housing system is pretty good. Different than most mmos. Agreed, it could be more USEFUL, but they never advertised it as such.

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Morrwind cash grab although morowwind does not ad much stuff but all events and new dlc need morrowind to fully experience
They really screwed over thier sub base with this

You dont need Morrowind to fully appreciate the game, unless like most gamers (seemingly) nowadays, you have that huge impulse to complete everything. Thats a personal thing though. But yes. its a cash grab. they arent the only game company to do it.

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Now technical difficulty
Bots and gold sellers running rampant turning the game into another linage 2

You said it yourself, not just eso

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Refusal to give us a Auction house as option to gold buyers and sellers

This one has me stumped. no idea why. and eso might just be the only mmorpg ive played that has none. and its also the only one where i dont bother selling stuff cz its too much of a hassle for me.

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Change for PVE game to PVP game

Wut????? Lol. Again. its kind of the point of mmorps. Maybe not in the last half-decade but go back to the early 2000s they were ALL PvP. Eso has Cyrodiil and battlegrounds that are pvp and thats like 10% of the game, so Im not sure when the game went from PvE to PvP.

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Maybe it evolution of mmo game but I find myself playing eso less and less
Been spending most of my time between elite dangerous and diablo

While the mmo genre (and gaming as a whole) certainly does evolve, dont forget that your tastes and likes do to. I think this might have more to do with you moving on past eso. I heard plenty of good things about elite dangerous, but i only see the worst of eso in diablo which makes me question your previous points. But thats personal opinion. well.. actually almost all of this post is personal opinion but w/e.

PlagueSD

Spacemonkey wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Change for PVE game to PVP game

Wut????? Lol. Again. its kind of the point of mmorps. Maybe not in the last half-decade but go back to the early 2000s they were ALL PvP. Eso has Cyrodiil and battlegrounds that are pvp and thats like 10% of the game, so Im not sure when the game went from PvE to PvP.

I think the point he's making is that all the balance changes (NERFS) in game are because of PvP.
One class/spec is doing "too much" damage in PvP, instead of limiting the balance changes to the PvP environment, they adjust the class skills and item bonuses...which affects PvE. Since they don't adjust the PvE game content also, this is perceived as a NERF to the class because PvE now became "harder" This is the issue with trying to combine PvP and PvE in the same game. You should have either/or, not both.

Talon_Draconis

PlagueSD wrote: »

Spacemonkey wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Change for PVE game to PVP game

Wut????? Lol. Again. its kind of the point of mmorps. Maybe not in the last half-decade but go back to the early 2000s they were ALL PvP. Eso has Cyrodiil and battlegrounds that are pvp and thats like 10% of the game, so Im not sure when the game went from PvE to PvP.

I think the point he's making is that all the balance changes (NERFS) in game are because of PvP.
One class/spec is doing "too much" damage in PvP, instead of limiting the balance changes to the PvP environment, they adjust the class skills and item bonuses...which affects PvE. Since they don't adjust the PvE game content also, this is perceived as a NERF to the class because PvE now became "harder" This is the issue with trying to combine PvP and PvE in the same game. You should have either/or, not both.

That is is it!

Talon_Draconis

Talon_Draconis wrote: »
Maybe it evolution of mmo game but I find myself playing eso less and less
Been spending most of my time between elite dangerous and diablo

While the mmo genre (and gaming as a whole) certainly does evolve, dont forget that your tastes and likes do to. I think this might have more to do with you moving on past eso. I heard plenty of good things about elite dangerous, but i only see the worst of eso in diablo which makes me question your previous points. But thats personal opinion. well.. actually almost all of this post is personal opinion but w/e.

I agree....on diablo been playing it since the original
I think the peak of the series was D2 lod
I love the loot system in diablo games and the skill trees are each are unique and powerful none of this balancing. easch character depending on luck and choices can become powerful

Spacemonkey

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

PlagueSD wrote: »

Spacemonkey wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Change for PVE game to PVP game

Wut????? Lol. Again. its kind of the point of mmorps. Maybe not in the last half-decade but go back to the early 2000s they were ALL PvP. Eso has Cyrodiil and battlegrounds that are pvp and thats like 10% of the game, so Im not sure when the game went from PvE to PvP.

I think the point he's making is that all the balance changes (NERFS) in game are because of PvP.
One class/spec is doing "too much" damage in PvP, instead of limiting the balance changes to the PvP environment, they adjust the class skills and item bonuses...which affects PvE. Since they don't adjust the PvE game content also, this is perceived as a NERF to the class because PvE now became "harder" This is the issue with trying to combine PvP and PvE in the same game. You should have either/or, not both.

That is is it!

Not its not
If one class is overperforming in PvP, its not only overperforming in pvp, its also overperforming in pvE. Your just unhappy because you felt super strong and now you dont anymore. Why would they make the enemies in PvE easier to account for it. the class was OVERPERFORMING (your own words). This is the eternal balance debate of people blaming pvp or pve for balance changes they dont like. You can 100% disagree with changes, and argue, and debate. but blaming it on the game mode of your choice because you play it less lacks wisdom - ESPECIALLY - since this is a mmorpg which implicitly states there will be PvE and PvP. Unless you're one of those persons that think diablo I, II and III are mmorpgs. But if thats the case we'll simply not agree because we don't agree on what a mmorpg IS .

Tandor

PlagueSD wrote: »

Spacemonkey wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Change for PVE game to PVP game

Wut????? Lol. Again. its kind of the point of mmorps. Maybe not in the last half-decade but go back to the early 2000s they were ALL PvP. Eso has Cyrodiil and battlegrounds that are pvp and thats like 10% of the game, so Im not sure when the game went from PvE to PvP.

I think the point he's making is that all the balance changes (NERFS) in game are because of PvP.
One class/spec is doing "too much" damage in PvP, instead of limiting the balance changes to the PvP environment, they adjust the class skills and item bonuses...which affects PvE. Since they don't adjust the PvE game content also, this is perceived as a NERF to the class because PvE now became "harder" This is the issue with trying to combine PvP and PvE in the same game. You should have either/or, not both.

Although I have no interest in PvP, I don't personally see a problem with both PvP and PvE being in a game, although I do think they should be kept wholly separate (as with Battlegrounds but not Cyrodiil, Imperial City and dueling), and there is an argument for adjusting skill changes separately although the sustain changes in the last base game update - they weren't part of Morrowind - have as much to do with PvE as PvP.

Emmagoldman

Tbh, if those are your biggest problems then....oh well? If you are worried about populated areas or the rare duel (lets not act like dueling is everywhere), then maybe a single player game is better fitting. No people, unwind after work, and chill

Bots are a problem but enough to leave?