is it eso or it all mmos

Talon_Draconis

I have just about giving up on eso
The game started out great TES like mmo able to make a unique character crafting was fun etc
One tam was good able to see new lands new quests etc
Orcimum was good
The only problem with the world was too crowded and one tam brought in dueling in towns witch really destroyed immersion for me


Then things stared to go down hill
Zmax started trying to sqieeze us for money started with non cosmetic stuff in the crown store
The housing system where you can't store your stuff.
Morrwind cash grab although morowwind does not ad much stuff but all events and new dlc need morrowind to fully experience
They really screwed over thier sub base with this

Now technical difficulty
Bots and gold sellers running rampant turning the game into another linage 2
Refusal to give us a Auction house as option to gold buyers and sellers
Change for PVE game to PVP game

Maybe it evolution of mmo game but I find myself playing eso less and less
Been spending most of my time between elite dangerous and diablo

idk

It mostly sounds like a personal oppinion your speaking of based on a number of the points brought up. Maybe take a break or something. No game is worth all that stress.

Talon_Draconis

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

It mostly sounds like a personal oppinion your speaking of based on a number of the points brought up. Maybe take a break or something. No game is worth all that stress.

Not stress it's just that every time I invest in mmo it always starts out interesting and fun concepts
But always degrades in to generic farming gold buying bots and no interesting content story.
Devolves into a generic PVP gear game wither every character is nerfed into blandness in the name of pvp balance
And then the gold sellers and bots take over to sell biz gear that everybody is equipped with

What I loved about tes games and eso was the story and quests
It is now turinging int pvp arena with anything outside of pvp turning int bot farms and in the citys nothing but gold sellers

idk

Nice new trial with 2 more dungeons coming soon ans another trial (mini) in a few months. Morrowind had a nice story line.

It's really a matter of perspective and again, maybe time for a break.

I enjoy the game with a decent number of people who do as well. If the game is upsetting you don't let it. No game is worth it.

StormWylf

Well your Forum Thread title asked, "is it eso or it all mmos"?
The Short answer is It's all MMOs.
A longer answer would probably need an essay. But IMHO, from someone who played computer games from Pong to Commodore 64, I submit that MMOs have been evolving, the way the companies make money has changed dramatically and quite frankly I believe F2P has led us to the point where we are now.

Talon_Draconis

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Nice new trial with 2 more dungeons coming soon ans another trial (mini) in a few months. Morrowind had a nice story line.

It's really a matter of perspective and again, maybe time for a break.

I agree.....Like I said playing elite dangerous witch is almost the opposite of eso
I it is so vast i can go for days without seeing another player always something new to see and interesting story developing but you have to actually work to find the clues

Tasear

Sounds like the forums not the game.

Sigtric

Besides bots, which are no where near as bad a problem as people make them out to be (should have seen it during the first six months of PC release for comparison) all these issues are personal opinions on the game.

It's not ESO and it's not all MMOs. It's you.

Bakkagami

Probably more of a factor of you getting bored of eso. It's normal, just take a break or swap to another game.

Talon_Draconis

StormWylf wrote: »

Well your Forum Thread title asked, "is it eso or it all mmos"?
The Short answer is It's all MMOs.
A longer answer would probably need an essay. But IMHO, from someone who played computer games from Pong to Commodore 64, I submit that MMOs have been evolving, the way the companies make money has changed dramatically and quite frankly I believe F2P has led us to the point where we are now.

Me too been around since pong
Used to love Ultima and wizardry
My favorite mmo was a game called Linage 2 was a great game till they took away the change of droping items on death and also bots and gold seller took over that game ruining the economy and taking over the world
I see the same thing happening here game play getting dumbed down to the lowest common denominator pvp
And anything unique getting nerfed in the name of pvp balance
Bots and sellers takeing over
And technical problems happening probably caused by the bot :P or pvp witch puts a strain on the servers

Like I said seen it many times and it might just be MMOs in gernral

Wreuntzylla

StormWylf wrote: »

Well your Forum Thread title asked, "is it eso or it all mmos"?
The Short answer is It's all MMOs.
A longer answer would probably need an essay. But IMHO, from someone who played computer games from Pong to Commodore 64, I submit that MMOs have been evolving, the way the companies make money has changed dramatically and quite frankly I believe F2P has led us to the point where we are now.

I won't tell you about Omega 56k because, well, only one of us needs to date ourselves.

To a certain extent, you are right. There are some game companies that break the mold, though, and I was hoping that ESO, as part of the Elder Scrolls franchise, would not go down the Disney merchandising route. Alas, they are as bad as Neverwinter to a certain extent.

I don't mind B2P models. I don't mind cash shops. I do mind the unfettered greed that leads to companies like ZoS making what are clearly unethical moves to milk out more money. You can make gobs of money and remain ethical at the same time. Seriously. I've seen it.

The reach of gaming continues to expand at a crazy rate. It used to be something for kids. Now there are 70-80 year old players. PC gaming made something like $36B worldwide last year. Even now there are legislative and regulatory discussions going on at a concept level, I think we'll see more reasonability injected in the not to distant future. It looks like gambling and currency are the terms most bandied about recently.

Tandor

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

What I loved about tes games and eso was the story and quests

Which is precisely what you got with Morrowind.

I don't recognise any of your criticisms to be honest. I've been playing PvE-only since PC launch as a subscriber with no interest in the crown store and nothing has changed in the way I play and enjoy the game.

I would like a better trading system but that hasn't changed recently and I don't understand your reference to an auction house being linked to gold buying and selling. I only very rarely encounter bots and never come across gold sellers although I have zone chat disabled as it serves no useful purpose.

Dueling in popular areas was an irritation initially, but as with all PvPer-demanded activities it turned out to be a seven day wonder and I rarely encounter it these days.

If Elite Dangerous and Diablo 3 are more your thing then fine, but they're not a replacement for ESO which is a different style of game altogether. It sounds like you may have been playing the wrong game for you.

QuebraRegra

StormWylf wrote: »

Well your Forum Thread title asked, "is it eso or it all mmos"?
The Short answer is It's all MMOs.
A longer answer would probably need an essay. But IMHO, from someone who played computer games from Pong to Commodore 64, I submit that MMOs have been evolving, the way the companies make money has changed dramatically and quite frankly I believe F2P has led us to the point where we are now.

C64 represent!

you are correct about MMOs in general.

Talon_Draconis

Tandor wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

What I loved about tes games and eso was the story and quests

Which is precisely what you got with Morrowind.

I don't recognise any of your criticisms to be honest. I've been playing PvE-only since PC launch as a subscriber with no interest in the crown store and nothing has changed in the way I play and enjoy the game.

I would like a better trading system but that hasn't changed recently and I don't understand your reference to an auction house being linked to gold buying and selling. I only very rarely encounter bots and never come across gold sellers although I have zone chat disabled as it serves no useful purpose.

Dueling in popular areas was an irritation initially, but as with all PvPer-demanded activities it turned out to be a seven day wonder and I rarely encounter it these days.

If Elite Dangerous and Diablo 3 are more your thing then fine, but they're not a replacement for ESO which is a different style of game altogether. It sounds like you may have been playing the wrong game for you.

It just since morrwind came out ESO been going in new direction....it might not be morrwind but somthing has changed in ESO it's became more dumbed down more PVP oriented because morrwind added BGs
Like I said seen every MMO develop this way
Starts out fresh with new and interesting concept's WOW ,Linage 2 GW2 but soon degrades into farming, bots, Gold selling all to support instant gratification of the PVP

Elsonso

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

I have just about giving up on eso
The game started out great TES like mmo able to make a unique character crafting was fun etc

Then things stared to go down hill
Zmax started trying to sqieeze us for money started with non cosmetic stuff in the crown store
The housing system where you can't store your stuff.
Morrwind cash grab although morowwind does not ad much stuff but all events and new dlc need morrowind to fully experience
They really screwed over thier sub base with this

Now technical difficulty
Bots and gold sellers running rampant turning the game into another linage 2
Refusal to give us a Auction house as option to gold buyers and sellers
Change for PVE game to PVP game

Maybe it evolution of mmo game but I find myself playing eso less and less
Been spending most of my time between elite dangerous and diablo

A number of those things depend on how you look at it.

Squeezing money. I don't have an issue with this. I just don't buy stuff. I don't buy Crown Store things that I don't need, and that pretty much includes every food and potion that is there, plus a good helping of cosmetic stuff. Never Crown Crates.

Housing system. This system is worthless to me, and I have not spent any effort on it at all. They could remove it from the game and I probably would not notice. It is below my level of awareness.

Morrowind. I am used to buying expansions, and this was presented as an expansion. Was it sized like an expansion? That can be debated, but I think it was. A small one. The price, however, was not for a small one. We will see what they do next year, and how that might revise my thinking on this subject. Did they screw the sub base? I am a member of the sub base, and I do not feel screwed.

Bots and Gold Sellers. My hot button issue. ZOS is much too laid back about this. If they are not going to enforce this, then they need to fully allow it. Otherwise, it just damages the game, with ZOS favoring these people over other players.

Auction house. This game does not need an auction house.

Wreuntzylla

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

What I loved about tes games and eso was the story and quests

Which is precisely what you got with Morrowind.

I don't recognise any of your criticisms to be honest. I've been playing PvE-only since PC launch as a subscriber with no interest in the crown store and nothing has changed in the way I play and enjoy the game.

I would like a better trading system but that hasn't changed recently and I don't understand your reference to an auction house being linked to gold buying and selling. I only very rarely encounter bots and never come across gold sellers although I have zone chat disabled as it serves no useful purpose.

Dueling in popular areas was an irritation initially, but as with all PvPer-demanded activities it turned out to be a seven day wonder and I rarely encounter it these days.

If Elite Dangerous and Diablo 3 are more your thing then fine, but they're not a replacement for ESO which is a different style of game altogether. It sounds like you may have been playing the wrong game for you.

It just since morrwind came out ESO been going in new direction....it might not be morrwind but somthing has changed in ESO it's became more dumbed down more PVP oriented because morrwind added BGs
Like I said seen every MMO develop this way
Starts out fresh with new and interesting concept's WOW ,Linage 2 GW2 but soon degrades into farming, bots, Gold selling all to support instant gratification of the PVP

LOL this has been going on since veteran level zones were nerfed into oblivion. More generally, ZoS changes the game completely every 6mos to a year, and ESO difficulty continues to look more and more like WoW over time.

Talon_Draconis

QuebraRegra wrote: »

StormWylf wrote: »

Well your Forum Thread title asked, "is it eso or it all mmos"?
The Short answer is It's all MMOs.
A longer answer would probably need an essay. But IMHO, from someone who played computer games from Pong to Commodore 64, I submit that MMOs have been evolving, the way the companies make money has changed dramatically and quite frankly I believe F2P has led us to the point where we are now.

C64 represent!

you are correct about MMOs in general.

C64 I did not have one but wanted one I was tsr80 then apple II and what was the texis instrument one called had one of those with the big box
Typing games from magazines z80 programing was lots of fun those days sometimes I think games were better then

Talon_Draconis

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

What I loved about tes games and eso was the story and quests

Which is precisely what you got with Morrowind.

I don't recognise any of your criticisms to be honest. I've been playing PvE-only since PC launch as a subscriber with no interest in the crown store and nothing has changed in the way I play and enjoy the game.

I would like a better trading system but that hasn't changed recently and I don't understand your reference to an auction house being linked to gold buying and selling. I only very rarely encounter bots and never come across gold sellers although I have zone chat disabled as it serves no useful purpose.

Dueling in popular areas was an irritation initially, but as with all PvPer-demanded activities it turned out to be a seven day wonder and I rarely encounter it these days.

If Elite Dangerous and Diablo 3 are more your thing then fine, but they're not a replacement for ESO which is a different style of game altogether. It sounds like you may have been playing the wrong game for you.

It just since morrwind came out ESO been going in new direction....it might not be morrwind but somthing has changed in ESO it's became more dumbed down more PVP oriented because morrwind added BGs
Like I said seen every MMO develop this way
Starts out fresh with new and interesting concept's WOW ,Linage 2 GW2 but soon degrades into farming, bots, Gold selling all to support instant gratification of the PVP

LOL this has been going on since veteran level zones were nerfed into oblivion. More generally, ZoS changes the game completely every 6mos to a year, and ESO difficulty continues to look more and more like WoW over time.

Yup that is my point I wish they went more tword TES than WOW would have been great
If I want to play wow I would play wow they do it better

Tornaad

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

It mostly sounds like a personal oppinion your speaking of based on a number of the points brought up. Maybe take a break or something. No game is worth all that stress.

Not stress it's just that every time I invest in mmo it always starts out interesting and fun concepts
But always degrades in to generic farming gold buying bots and no interesting content story.
Devolves into a generic PVP gear game wither every character is nerfed into blandness in the name of pvp balance
And then the gold sellers and bots take over to sell biz gear that everybody is equipped with

What I loved about tes games and eso was the story and quests
It is now turinging int pvp arena with anything outside of pvp turning int bot farms and in the citys nothing but gold sellers

It sounds like you were wanting The Elder Scrolls 6.
I feel you there.
However The Elder Scrolls online can never be Elder Scrolls 6. As fun as it is and as many hours as I have sunk into the game and will likely sink into the game, I know it will never be able to fully mirror the feeling of what Elder Scrolls 6 will be.
Why?
There is one other real person in the game which means that the whole world will not revolve around my character.
So what do I do?
I pretend that most everyone else in the game are just NPC's running around. When I run group dungeons is the only exception.
I don't do enough PVP to know how I will handle that.

Talon_Draconis

Zuboko wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

It mostly sounds like a personal oppinion your speaking of based on a number of the points brought up. Maybe take a break or something. No game is worth all that stress.

Not stress it's just that every time I invest in mmo it always starts out interesting and fun concepts
But always degrades in to generic farming gold buying bots and no interesting content story.
Devolves into a generic PVP gear game wither every character is nerfed into blandness in the name of pvp balance
And then the gold sellers and bots take over to sell biz gear that everybody is equipped with

What I loved about tes games and eso was the story and quests
It is now turinging int pvp arena with anything outside of pvp turning int bot farms and in the citys nothing but gold sellers

It sounds like you were wanting The Elder Scrolls 6.
I feel you there.
However The Elder Scrolls online can never be Elder Scrolls 6. As fun as it is and as many hours as I have sunk into the game and will likely sink into the game, I know it will never be able to fully mirror the feeling of what Elder Scrolls 6 will be.
Why?
There is one other real person in the game which means that the whole world will not revolve around my character.
So what do I do?
I pretend that most everyone else in the game are just NPC's running around. When I run group dungeons is the only exception.
I don't do enough PVP to know how I will handle that.

Since Dagger fall I thought this would be great with other people to share quest go on expositions maybe take over that dungeon and use it a base for our group.
What I really want PNP game on the computer....thought Sword coast legends might have been it but did not live up to the hype

Kurkikohtaus

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Orcimum was good

You misspelled "great".

Mojmir

OP is correct

Absolut_Turkey

Short answer: it's you. But please, go try other mmos.

Beardimus

OP is incorrect

Talks about dumbing game down / making it bland, but wants an auction house to wreck trading.

As Giles says it's perspective, each to their own. I just disagree with most points. Maybe its a region thing or platform but I'm happy with the game. Maybe except Proc sets in PvP :-)

Zvorgin

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

It mostly sounds like a personal oppinion your speaking of based on a number of the points brought up. Maybe take a break or something. No game is worth all that stress.

What I loved about tes games and eso was the story and quests
It is now turinging int pvp arena with anything outside of pvp turning int bot farms and in the citys nothing but gold sellers

All the stories and quests are still there. Play them again if that's what you enjoy, they didn't remove questing from the game.

Talon_Draconis

What I wanted from eso was daggerfall online a vast world where i could play how I wanted be lone thief sneaking into a shop
Or a mighty General leading a army of knights in the tes world

What we ended up with is a bunch of Arena where CC warriors all the same fight it out he who has the best CC balance wins

Been playing Elite dangerous does not have the versatility of FRPG but I am star ship captain and with the whole galaxy open to me.

Zvorgin

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

What I wanted from eso was daggerfall online a vast world where i could play how I wanted be lone thief sneaking into a shop
Or a mighty General leading a army of knights in the tes world

What we ended up with is a bunch of Arena where CC warriors all the same fight it out he who has the best CC balance wins

Been playing Elite dangerous does not have the versatility of FRPG but I am star ship captain and with the whole galaxy open to me.

So you wanted a single player game that revolved around you? Ever thought about just ignoring people as you play as a thief or forming a group in Cyrodiil to "lead knights into battle"?

It amazes me how many people think an MMO should cater to their exact personal needs. You probably should quit and go play a single player game.

Talon_Draconis

Zvorgin wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

It mostly sounds like a personal oppinion your speaking of based on a number of the points brought up. Maybe take a break or something. No game is worth all that stress.

What I loved about tes games and eso was the story and quests
It is now turinging int pvp arena with anything outside of pvp turning int bot farms and in the citys nothing but gold sellers

All the stories and quests are still there. Play them again if that's what you enjoy, they didn't remove questing from the game.

Yeah sort takes the fun away when you cant see 10 in town due to all the people casing fireballs....or you hear somebody playing hiphop over the voice channle
Or Gold spammers filling the screen
Ore going to area and seeing agroup of people neamed `93u29234347 pulling all the creatures in the area and casting aoe spells

Zvorgin

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

It mostly sounds like a personal oppinion your speaking of based on a number of the points brought up. Maybe take a break or something. No game is worth all that stress.

What I loved about tes games and eso was the story and quests
It is now turinging int pvp arena with anything outside of pvp turning int bot farms and in the citys nothing but gold sellers

All the stories and quests are still there. Play them again if that's what you enjoy, they didn't remove questing from the game.

Yeah sort takes the fun away when you cant see 10 in town due to all the people casing fireballs....or you hear somebody playing hiphop over the voice channle
Or Gold spammers filling the screen
Ore going to area and seeing agroup of people neamed `93u29234347 pulling all the creatures in the area and casting aoe spells

Turn off voice chat and zone chat, but otherwise you should probably just go play a single player game. Sounds like that is what you want.

Talon_Draconis

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Zvorgin wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

What I wanted from eso was daggerfall online a vast world where i could play how I wanted be lone thief sneaking into a shop
Or a mighty General leading a army of knights in the tes world

What we ended up with is a bunch of Arena where CC warriors all the same fight it out he who has the best CC balance wins

Been playing Elite dangerous does not have the versatility of FRPG but I am star ship captain and with the whole galaxy open to me.

So you wanted a single player game that revolved around you? Ever thought about just ignoring people as you play as a thief or forming a group in Cyrodiil to "lead knights into battle"?

It amazes me how many people think an MMO should cater to their exact personal needs. You probably should quit and go play a single player game.

I want living world that has other players that I can interact with...I don't have to be the only hero but I want my character to be unique and abilly to become the king or villain and other people factions striving to change the world

Waffennacht

If magic was real, I'd be casting fire balls everywhere too...