Better looking vampires!

Runschei

I have seen and participated in so many threads about either hiding vampirism or improving how vampires currently look, and I still don't understand why people are against it. I am fully aware of the skins and disguises obtainable from quests that hides vampirism, and I use one of them myself. All the skins require DLC/ESO+ (and a skilled group) and personally I don't want to look like a meatball or a character from Tron, I want to look like my dunmer. Some of the disguises are super cute, but they hide all Crown Store cosmetics and hats. I don't see my new hairstyle, nor do I see my eyelashes while wearing any disguise. Besides, why do people say ''just put on a skin and/or a disguise'' as if that is ok, but a regular skin just to hide vampirism is not ok? Being what some see as ugly is NOT a downside of choosing to become a vampire. More vulnerability towards fire damage and lower health recovery is. And the argument about you really needing to know if players are vampires, well, we have bufftrackers for creeps like you.

After all it is the appearance of MY character, why does it bother anyone else?

red_emu

I would actually like to see what you look like doing sports

Gargath

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

The vampirism visual effect on your character looks awful. I would very much welcome a change to this visual effect, or at the very least the option to "hide" vampirism (like the hide helmet function). Because at the moment I am forced to use polymorphs and skins on all the characters that have vampirism and I think this is doubly unfortunate because vampires have the potential to look really great in this game .

Let me disagree with you . During character creation you wanted your female looking beautiful but also scary. It doesn't come in pair. Me for example wanted my vamp looking partial dead and mature since the beginning and that's why I love the look of my mature vampire . It has everything the modern eso vamp needs. No excessive ugliness for which I could not look and like my character for too long. The vampirism effect is decent and toned. Leave it as it is now please.

AlMcFly

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

@AlMcFly

AlMcFly wrote: »

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

This lore is completely different to tes-lore

Your posting this picture of Gary Oldman has been made irrelevant by your own argument.

Lol
I didnt post the picture, get yo facts straight ^^!

Oh LOLS! I must have snipped that quote box incorrectly and confused the two of you haha. Lemme fix it XD

MarzAttakz

Gargath wrote: »

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

The vampirism visual effect on your character looks awful. I would very much welcome a change to this visual effect, or at the very least the option to "hide" vampirism (like the hide helmet function). Because at the moment I am forced to use polymorphs and skins on all the characters that have vampirism and I think this is doubly unfortunate because vampires have the potential to look really great in this game .

Let me disagree with you . During character creation you wanted your female looking beautiful but also scary. It doesn't come in pair. Me for example wanted my vamp looking partial dead and mature since the beginning and that's why I love the look of my mature vampire . It has everything the modern eso vamp needs. No excessive ugliness for which I could not look and like my character for too long. The vampirism effect is decent and toned. Leave it as it is now please.

She does look good and in character! Sadly you're in the minority bro, ahem, excuse me... madam. Allow me to ask you what concessions you made for those 7 WW characters you have or were they built buff and hairy from the start?

Still doesn't null and void the request for a skin to return your character to normal appearance, such a request doesn't affect you at all.

So let's reach a compromise shall we? How about this: during character creation you're allowed to preview your character as a Werewolf or as a Vampire during all phases, so you can at least foresee and tweak your character. That however still doesn't address the issue of purchased cosmetics and tattoo's being borked.

Chelo

Runschei wrote: »

I have seen and participated in so many threads about either hiding vampirism or improving how vampires currently look, and I still don't understand why people are against it. I am fully aware of the skins and disguises obtainable from quests that hides vampirism, and I use one of them myself. All the skins require DLC/ESO+ (and a skilled group) and personally I don't want to look like a meatball or a character from Tron, I want to look like my dunmer. Some of the disguises are super cute, but they hide all Crown Store cosmetics and hats. I don't see my new hairstyle, nor do I see my eyelashes while wearing any disguise. Besides, why do people say ''just put on a skin and/or a disguise'' as if that is ok, but a regular skin just to hide vampirism is not ok? Being what some see as ugly is NOT a downside of choosing to become a vampire. More vulnerability towards fire damage and lower health recovery is. And the argument about you really needing to know if players are vampires, well, we have bufftrackers for creeps like you.

After all it is the appearance of MY character, why does it bother anyone else?

Because it's damn trade off, you want to have monster powers (and some of the usefull passives in the game), then you have to look like a monster... Don't want the look, don't be a vampire and problem solved... Nothing is going to change for another 4 years, deal with it...

Ectheliontnacil

@red_emu

red_emu wrote: »

I would actually like to see what you look like doing sports

Lets meet at the riverside Inn for a mug of nord mead. Then perhaps ill let you see what i look like doing "sport"...[in husky voice] all of me .

MarzAttakz

Chelo wrote: »

Because it's damn trade off, you want to have monster powers (and some of the usefull passives in the game), then you have to look like a monster... Don't want the look, don't be a vampire and problem solved... Nothing is going to change for another 4 years, deal with it...

Could you be more ...



Some of us accept the trade-off and don't mind looking like a monster, most of us do mind looking like a cheaply done-up B-Grade extra in a Japanese Opera. How difficult is it to apply a modicum of effort when creating the vampire textures. How much brain power and design experience does it take to know that changing the stacking order of cosmetics and the vampire skin would allow things like fur and tattoos to remain unchanged?

You say nothing is going to change for another 4 years. Perhaps you're right, but I hate to say this...

Runschei

Chelo wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

I have seen and participated in so many threads about either hiding vampirism or improving how vampires currently look, and I still don't understand why people are against it. I am fully aware of the skins and disguises obtainable from quests that hides vampirism, and I use one of them myself. All the skins require DLC/ESO+ (and a skilled group) and personally I don't want to look like a meatball or a character from Tron, I want to look like my dunmer. Some of the disguises are super cute, but they hide all Crown Store cosmetics and hats. I don't see my new hairstyle, nor do I see my eyelashes while wearing any disguise. Besides, why do people say ''just put on a skin and/or a disguise'' as if that is ok, but a regular skin just to hide vampirism is not ok? Being what some see as ugly is NOT a downside of choosing to become a vampire. More vulnerability towards fire damage and lower health recovery is. And the argument about you really needing to know if players are vampires, well, we have bufftrackers for creeps like you.

After all it is the appearance of MY character, why does it bother anyone else?

Because it's damn trade off, you want to have monster powers (and some of the usefull passives in the game), then you have to look like a monster... Don't want the look, don't be a vampire and problem solved... Nothing is going to change for another 4 years, deal with it...

It is pure cosmetic. Why would I spend ages in character creation to get the right warpaint, makeup and just the perfect look for my character, if it will disappear with vampirism? There is already two ways to hide the look, what's wrong with a third (that being the possible 'regular' skin) ?

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

Just be grateful you can play in the sunlight.

Ectheliontnacil

MarzAttakz wrote: »

Chelo wrote: »

Because it's damn trade off, you want to have monster powers (and some of the usefull passives in the game), then you have to look like a monster... Don't want the look, don't be a vampire and problem solved... Nothing is going to change for another 4 years, deal with it...

Could you be more ...

Buuurnn

Ectheliontnacil

@Enemy-of-Coldharbour

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

Just be grateful you can play in the sunlight.

I am not, the sunlight just makes it more obvious how awful my character looks. During the night its like "closing your eyes and pretending shes hot". With good lighting i cant do that ^^.

DocFrost72

Chelo wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

I have seen and participated in so many threads about either hiding vampirism or improving how vampires currently look, and I still don't understand why people are against it. I am fully aware of the skins and disguises obtainable from quests that hides vampirism, and I use one of them myself. All the skins require DLC/ESO+ (and a skilled group) and personally I don't want to look like a meatball or a character from Tron, I want to look like my dunmer. Some of the disguises are super cute, but they hide all Crown Store cosmetics and hats. I don't see my new hairstyle, nor do I see my eyelashes while wearing any disguise. Besides, why do people say ''just put on a skin and/or a disguise'' as if that is ok, but a regular skin just to hide vampirism is not ok? Being what some see as ugly is NOT a downside of choosing to become a vampire. More vulnerability towards fire damage and lower health recovery is. And the argument about you really needing to know if players are vampires, well, we have bufftrackers for creeps like you.

After all it is the appearance of MY character, why does it bother anyone else?

Because it's damn trade off, you want to have monster powers (and some of the usefull passives in the game), then you have to look like a monster... Don't want the look, don't be a vampire and problem solved... Nothing is going to change for another 4 years, deal with it...

What powers and passives do I get in stage one again? Right, right! My feed stuns people (ooooh, watch out!), I get a CC that heals me, and after a few uses makes me take more fire damage, and a mitigation skill that is niche (pvp sees 90%of use for this skill and only then on DKs and Templars, RP the other 10%), and after a few uses makes me take fire damage.

Sad fact of the matter is I, at least, am not discussing lower stages. I won't even talk about how selfish it is you think I should asthetically pay for an in game choice, I'll instead focus on the strawman you masterfully erected with the "trade off" argument. Sorry, but if you want me to pay for my powers (and I do at all times, try eating a trap beast, silver shard or dawnbreaker/EotS in pvp and tell me I don't have penalties. I dare you) I will. In the lower stages.

Know what, all DKs now have scales. You get cool dragon powers, deal with it.

ShadowHvo

An option to hide, yes.

To change the excisiting visuals? Hell no. I love my Stage 4 vampire, he looks like a proper monstrous vampire, just as he should.

NightbladeMechanics

Give me a Vampire Lord transformation and more abilities with which to violate my enemies.

zergbase_ESO

We need a toggle.... Srsly.. Or make stage one look normal...

Runschei

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Chelo wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

I have seen and participated in so many threads about either hiding vampirism or improving how vampires currently look, and I still don't understand why people are against it. I am fully aware of the skins and disguises obtainable from quests that hides vampirism, and I use one of them myself. All the skins require DLC/ESO+ (and a skilled group) and personally I don't want to look like a meatball or a character from Tron, I want to look like my dunmer. Some of the disguises are super cute, but they hide all Crown Store cosmetics and hats. I don't see my new hairstyle, nor do I see my eyelashes while wearing any disguise. Besides, why do people say ''just put on a skin and/or a disguise'' as if that is ok, but a regular skin just to hide vampirism is not ok? Being what some see as ugly is NOT a downside of choosing to become a vampire. More vulnerability towards fire damage and lower health recovery is. And the argument about you really needing to know if players are vampires, well, we have bufftrackers for creeps like you.

After all it is the appearance of MY character, why does it bother anyone else?

Because it's damn trade off, you want to have monster powers (and some of the usefull passives in the game), then you have to look like a monster... Don't want the look, don't be a vampire and problem solved... Nothing is going to change for another 4 years, deal with it...

What powers and passives do I get in stage one again? Right, right! My feed stuns people (ooooh, watch out!), I get a CC that heals me, and after a few uses makes me take more fire damage, and a mitigation skill that is niche (pvp sees 90%of use for this skill and only then on DKs and Templars, RP the other 10%), and after a few uses makes me take fire damage.

Sad fact of the matter is I, at least, am not discussing lower stages. I won't even talk about how selfish it is you think I should asthetically pay for an in game choice, I'll instead focus on the strawman you masterfully erected with the "trade off" argument. Sorry, but if you want me to pay for my powers (and I do at all times, try eating a trap beast, silver shard or dawnbreaker/EotS in pvp and tell me I don't have penalties. I dare you) I will. In the lower stages.

Know what, all DKs now have scales. You get cool dragon powers, deal with it.

THANK YOU.

That and while we're at it, why don't we bring up Count Verandis Ravenwatch?

DrPain

Linaleah

Balsagna wrote: »

Vampires are supposed to be monsters no?

Twilight has ruined more than one generation.

I wasn't ruined by twilight, personaly. I was ruined by Anne Rice and to lesser degree - Buffy. although Bram Stoker's Dracula was not exactly Nosferatu either.

LadyNalcarya

AlMcFly wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

You did forget this pic

That version of Gary Oldman was implied by the person I replied to, thus didn't require posting. I also explained in-depth why that "version" is not the true form of Dracula in the movie, as well as why ESO vampires don't have command over Illusion magic to that extent. But, you know, go ahead and skip reading my posts. They weren't important. /s

Well, a vampire who cant hide his or her, eh, condition, would be lynched immediately if they would try to go to a city bank or whatever. People in TES world hate vampires, and rightfully so.
So it makes perfect sense to have a more or less normal form, just for safety. It is possible lore-wise, so why not.

mvffins

Leprosy is a disease, bubonic plague is a disease, HIV is a disease, and vampirism is a disease. Diseases aren't meant to be pretty.

TheGrandBizarre

At the risk of being metaphorically torn a new one, I personally would love vampirism to be modeled after Anne Rice's lore. Being immortal, and supernatural, they are ancient and have the wisdom of seeing the world differently to humans. I would suggest making the stages transform you from pale with lighter eyes, through to bright porcelain with glowing eyes and subtle yet noticeable fangs. But hey, that's just me.

Caveats;

1) No I'm not an RP'er
2) No I don't mean make them look like Tom Cruise
and
3) Mentioning Twilight to vampire fans is like mentioning the prequels to StarWars fans, just harsh and uncalled for!

Osteos

Hey now @DocFrost72 I am not against vampires getting a hide vampirism skin, leave my DK alone!!

Morgul667

With all the magic around, that would be surprising vampire cant hide themselves

Ectheliontnacil

@mvffins

mvffins wrote: »

Leprosy is a disease, bubonic plague is a disease, HIV is a disease, and vampirism is a disease. Diseases aren't meant to be pretty.

I am not saying a stage 4 vampire should look pretty. I am saying they should look better, terrifying and evil. And I don't see any reason why stage 1 vampires should not be able to hide their vampirism, or at the very least they should still be able to pass for a human at a quick glance . And thats what I said from the very start, I really don't get people telling me that vampires should look like monsters. It's just that they look like unconvincing monsters presently and that is something i would like changed.

So to sum up:

Stage 1 looks normal/attractive and as it progresses through the stages it becomes increasingly monster like, the vampire's true identity starts to show.

Hope you can agree with this

ecru

Chelo wrote: »

Dude you are suppose to be a monster not some glowing teenager from Twilight... Don't like it, don't be a vampire...

Being a monster doesn't mean anything when every other player is also a monster.

Ectheliontnacil

@ecru

You're right, nowadays half of tamriel are vampires and it is truly immersion breaking when every second face you look at in Wayrest, Grahtwood or Mournhold has the bulging eyes and purplish tint of a decaying vampire. And the non-infected populace is completely oblivious to this???

Too many people look like monsters, it isn't special anymore :..(

Dantaria

Chelo wrote: »

Because it's damn trade off, you want to have monster powers (and some of the usefull passives in the game), then you have to look like a monster... Don't want the look, don't be a vampire and problem solved... Nothing is going to change for another 4 years, deal with it...

LOOOOOOOOOOL

Know your lore: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Immortal_Blood

Breaking news - vampires in TES can easily disguise themselves and, if they are careful, noone would know they're dealing with a "monster". Count Hassildor, anyone? Janus Hassildor? The vampire has been a count of Skingrad for fifty years. Quite succesfully.

Twilight, Twilight... Dark World, anyone? A very good, very thought-out universe with the whole "Vampires: The Masquerade"? Nothing is "for teenagers" in Dark World, it's very... well... dark and adult universe, but... you got it... vampires live with us, mortals, and we do not know it.

Vampires being alluring and not hideous is not something for "teenagers". It's common sence and was being implemented in good art for a while now. Because "monsters living on the edge of the world" are not that interesting. Different beings living among us are. And to live among us they need to be able to look like us.

Go play "Vampires: The Masquerade - Bloodlines". It's fabulous. Or just google "Vampires: The Masquerade". Read an article about Camarilla and stop being so narrow-minded.

jaschacasadiob16_ESO

You become a vampire through a disease. You get infected. You become undead, that is, you are no loner living.

How on Tamriel do you expect this condition not to affect the way you look?
You asked for a bite. You now have a new skill tree but you look pale and horrible. Now live with it.

AbysmalGhul

jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »

Now live with it.

They can't...they're dead