Another 4 Just Quit...

Vaoh

starkerealm wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

oh come on. Hardcore End-Game Raiders are some of the FIRST players to quit the game. they burn themselves out by pushing the SAME content over and over and over again. They participate in that content at a high stress, high personal demand level every time too.

of course they are going to quit. look at every game ever made.

sounds like your firends should have branched out more. tried pvp or more casual take on the game.

and look at what they left for: Ark? Diablo 3!?!?! bwahahahahahaha theyll be back. theyll come crawling back, get in good, act like theyve always loved ESO and never quit. you watch. bunch of fairweather ESO players. peace out.

Everyone's just waiting on Destiny 2

Also, though I can't vouch for any other server besides PS4 NA, endgame PvE population as a whole (both at peak population and when people are burned out/taking a break) are significantly lower each patch. In Morrowind it has gotten to the point where it's almost a ghost town.

And on PC, using available metrics, it's actually up.

That said, it wouldn't surprise me if Vvardenfell is a bit of a ghost town for a couple reasons. One, it's a much larger zone, so people are distributed over a much greater space. I'm always shocked when I enter Vivec to see how many players are really there.

Second, unlike the DLC zones, once you've finished Vvardenfell there's not much reason to hang around. Granted, "finished," is a bit of a loaded term, but it is a zone with a finite amount of content, and in spite of its size, you can finish it off in a week or two. (Or a weekend of intensive play.)

It's not really like the Gold Coast where we still had people swarming over the group events a year after it went live.

starkerealm not referring to Vvardenfell or DLC zones though. As a side note, I like that Vvardenfell feels more empty. It's cooler this way for exploring imo to feel like I'm playing TES III in certain areas

I was talking specifically talking about endgame PvE population as in Vet trials. The amount of groups that are capable enough to beat Maw of Lorkhaj is so low. Halls of Fabrication has far less groups. In Morrowind the numbers fell a lot due to sustain changes, and today I'm pretty sure my team disbanded until 3rd/4th quarter....

I really hope things are better for other platforms! Couldn't get a whole lot worse over here.

Yeah, that group I understand. I wasn't thinking about them as much, but I do understand. In fairness, when it comes to vet trials, we're always talking about a tiny sliver of the population as a whole.

True It wasn't ever close to this bad though in the past, even in Homestead.

starkerealm

Vaoh wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

oh come on. Hardcore End-Game Raiders are some of the FIRST players to quit the game. they burn themselves out by pushing the SAME content over and over and over again. They participate in that content at a high stress, high personal demand level every time too.

of course they are going to quit. look at every game ever made.

sounds like your firends should have branched out more. tried pvp or more casual take on the game.

and look at what they left for: Ark? Diablo 3!?!?! bwahahahahahaha theyll be back. theyll come crawling back, get in good, act like theyve always loved ESO and never quit. you watch. bunch of fairweather ESO players. peace out.

Everyone's just waiting on Destiny 2

Also, though I can't vouch for any other server besides PS4 NA, endgame PvE population as a whole (both at peak population and when people are burned out/taking a break) are significantly lower each patch. In Morrowind it has gotten to the point where it's almost a ghost town.

And on PC, using available metrics, it's actually up.

That said, it wouldn't surprise me if Vvardenfell is a bit of a ghost town for a couple reasons. One, it's a much larger zone, so people are distributed over a much greater space. I'm always shocked when I enter Vivec to see how many players are really there.

Second, unlike the DLC zones, once you've finished Vvardenfell there's not much reason to hang around. Granted, "finished," is a bit of a loaded term, but it is a zone with a finite amount of content, and in spite of its size, you can finish it off in a week or two. (Or a weekend of intensive play.)

It's not really like the Gold Coast where we still had people swarming over the group events a year after it went live.

starkerealm not referring to Vvardenfell or DLC zones though. As a side note, I like that Vvardenfell feels more empty. It's cooler this way for exploring imo to feel like I'm playing TES III in certain areas

I was talking specifically talking about endgame PvE population as in Vet trials. The amount of groups that are capable enough to beat Maw of Lorkhaj is so low. Halls of Fabrication has far less groups. In Morrowind the numbers fell a lot due to sustain changes, and today I'm pretty sure my team disbanded until 3rd/4th quarter....

I really hope things are better for other platforms! Couldn't get a whole lot worse over here.

Yeah, that group I understand. I wasn't thinking about them as much, but I do understand. In fairness, when it comes to vet trials, we're always talking about a tiny sliver of the population as a whole.

True It wasn't ever close to this bad though in the past, even in Homestead.

That's the other thing about the sustain changes in Morrowind. It was specifically targeted at you. Well, not you specifically, but players who were cheesing the vet Trials and Dungeons through infinite sustain. So, it's not surprising it's hit that segment of the community the hardest.

DHale

Wait... how can I get thier stuff?

svartorn

Half my friends list hasn't logged on in 6+ months.

freespirit

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

I know someone who no longer plays Dragon Age Inquisition. True story.

That made me smile........

Just started a new run through of DA Inquisition!!

Unlike the Op I have nowhere near completed all the content but like him atm I feel less inclined to log in. This happens to me every few months or so, so I look through my vast single player game library and pick one to play again.......

Guess what???

This frequently makes me realise that despite all the complaints there is actually quite a lot to like about ESO......

How surprising!!

Tonnopesce

Oh wait wait i have to say it...


"You want to cry me a river? Go ahead maybe you can float out of Craglorn"

XD

Ragnarok0130

It sounds like the same thing that happens in every MMO, people master existing content, then take breaks until they feel the need to play again or a new xpack comes out. Sometimes raiding keeps groups together, but I feel you regarding RNG. I've never been a fan of that system, especially when RNG can give you a good piece but at a less than stellar tier. If you enjoy the game keep picking at it, if you need a break put it down and come back when you feel Tamriel's pull again. There's no shame in taking a break, this is a hobby and not a job afterall.

AdicusDio

New content in August, and probably again in Dec.-Jan, so people will probably go in cycles assuming the nerfs coming up in Aug don't completely suck the little left out. If it takes 10+ to beat down a shield spammer that just runs around a terrain rock, now, cringing at what's next.

Voxicity

Tonnopesce wrote: »

Oh wait wait i have to say it...


"You want to cry me a river? Go ahead maybe you can float out of Craglorn"

XD

Insightful for you

Wifeaggro13

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Just had 2 more good buddies and excellent players up and quit on the game. A superb hard mode trial healer, who has quit to play Ark. 2 amazing hard mode trial tanks. 1 of which who has decided to play Overwatch full-time, and the other has shifted to Diablo 3 since the new Necromancer have been released (and for some time). And 2 casual healer buddies who I did veteran trials and veteran dungeons with, who both decided to quit for unknown reasons...

Like... What the hell? Every time I turn around this guild and that guild is closing down, or having less and less members show-up for scheduled trials. And I just overall feel like I'm not evolving or progressing. Am I quitting? No, not as of yet. But, I feel like I'm battling against RNG more so than anything. Trials feel mundane, outside of veteran Halls of Fabrication. But with all of the CC nonsense that happens there, and elitism and nonsense that swarms in high-end trials guilds... I'd rather avoid the drama entirely. Save the headache and bs, and arguments over goofy and petty crap. And speaking of guilds, I've started my own guild that is highly successful. But, it's just so damn hard to gather folks who want to do something. A lot of them barely sign in, and when they do it's just to do their dailies and get ghost immediately afterward.

On a lesser scale, I've done pretty much everything there is to do (except for completing the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood quest lines). I've Stormproof'd all my characters, and Flawless'd everyone but my Wardens. My favorite build (PetSorc)? I've mastered. I've purchased my favorite house, and completely decked it out (Grand Topal Hideaway). I've reached my PvP goal with my PvP-main (Centurion's my MagDK), and received Star-Made Knight on my PvE-main and PvP-main. I have all content skins, except for the VHoF skin and Imperial City Sewers Molag Bal skin. I've even bested crown crates RNG, and gotten the mount I've wanted within the first 15 crates every single time I've chosen to gamble (Storm Atronach and Dwarven).

What is left for me to do...? Redo the same quests? Roll more alts? Finally finish TG and DB main quests? Keep getting on Maelstrom leaderboards, and chasing after the legendary sharpened inferno staff?

I feel like I'm a fool for some reason. I feel like... There's something I'm supposed to get the point of. Like a subtle hint is being nudged in my direction, and I just can't seem to grasp it. It's like a presence of an answer is looming over me, and on the tip of my tongue. But, I just can't grasp it. I feel like I'm just wasting away, bruh. And the only thing left for me to do is get forum 10 stars, and then just ultimately quit for good. Ask the mods to delete my account at that point, for me to then just uninstall ESO from my PS4 at that point. Idk anymore.

This is what happens when a development chooses the path ZOS did. they did not emerge the game play. evolve and progress its alternate advancement. and decided 90 % of the content released should be single player and cosmetic gambling. The writing was on the wall with the guilds being all passives and half finished systems. its time to move on at this point the game needs a new game director and a revamp.

code65536

It's a MMO. It's about the people. Doesn't matter how much new content there is, if you don't have people to play it with, then why are you here?

And when it comes to people, there are so many factors and dynamics involved. A lot of times the reason a guild or group falls apart has nothing to do with the game and everything to do with the atmosphere, the tone of the group's echo chamber, the leadership, whether or not there is one bad apple bringing everyone's spirits down, etc.

As usual with your threads (which, despite your protestations otherwise, do seem like bids for attention), you paint things in overly broad strokes. Sometimes the problem is a lot more localized. Maybe to just the people you're around. Maybe to just the platform you're on. Raiding on PC/NA is still fairly healthy, for example, even though there are localized incidents--e.g., individual guilds imploding or some cliques of people quitting.

But even on the content front, there's quite a lot to look forward to. Two new dungeons coming out in two or three weeks alongside one of the best balancing patches we've seen on the PTS. And then after that, yet another new trial to sink our teeth into. And there's still plenty to do with existing content. Completing a new trial is not the end--we will keep running vHoF regularly until it becomes like vMoL, where we can just hop into it casually with an ad-hoc group and clear it quickly without breaking a sweat.

I_killed_Vivec

People bored with game/job/hairstyle/favourite band/shoes/lover move onto something else.

Jilted lover is upset because they haven't moved on themselves...

I dunno... should I care that people I don't know, who don't want to play the game, aren't playing the game?

dpencil1

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Ch4mp just likes to make these posts from time to time for attention. Nothing to see here - he has quit more times than I have logged in.

Lmao. Yeah? Bruh, I've had more attention than I'd like to admit. Both good and bad. And that goes both ways in regards to the folks it attracted. M'kay? I can promise you that attention is the last thing on my mind.

What it is, is that I'm genuinely confused as to what my next move should be regarding ESO. Those 4 buddies who quit were apart of my support group per say in ESO. People in my inner-most clique. Folks who I've beat City of Ash with the for the first time. Folks who I reached the veteran rank caps with. Homies who I got banned with in the past. And it really hit home upon them leaving. These are the people who I got Ophidian Overlord with, when it was all the rage. Folks who I grinded Martial Knowledge with, when Cyrodiil was the ***. You know? The squad.

And I'm just lost, and feeling caught up in the mix. Like I said, I feel like I'm not evolving or progressing. I feel like the rush isn't there anymore. That feeling of uncertainty and just raw bliss from adrenaline while playing. And I need to know how to get it back. I need to know how to return to evolving and progressing.

Look, @Ch4mpTW I am gonna try to say this as nicely as possible. You may not think you are "attention seeking" but using the forum like a psychiatrist like this is exactly what a sympathy attention seeker looks like. The hard reality is that we don't really care whether you or your friends are burned out or not. Like many many comments before this one: just move on already. Try to find a more substantial way to enjoy your life, because from what I've seen, ESO is not helping you do that. That doesn't mean the game is broken and that everyone who doesn't feel your pain is blind to its problems. It's just a question of whether it feel worth the time for the individual. If it doesn't for you, just stop.

Tonnopesce

Voxicity wrote: »

Tonnopesce wrote: »

Oh wait wait i have to say it...


"You want to cry me a river? Go ahead maybe you can float out of Craglorn"

XD

Insightful for you

Really? You don't go in Belkart often then...
Don't take it so hard is a joke not a....

Trashkan

I'm a stud tank with the same issues hit me up!

Malmai

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Just had 2 more good buddies and excellent players up and quit on the game. A superb hard mode trial healer, who has quit to play Ark. 2 amazing hard mode trial tanks. 1 of which who has decided to play Overwatch full-time, and the other has shifted to Diablo 3 since the new Necromancer have been released (and for some time). And 2 casual healer buddies who I did veteran trials and veteran dungeons with, who both decided to quit for unknown reasons...

Like... What the hell? Every time I turn around this guild and that guild is closing down, or having less and less members show-up for scheduled trials. And I just overall feel like I'm not evolving or progressing. Am I quitting? No, not as of yet. But, I feel like I'm battling against RNG more so than anything. Trials feel mundane, outside of veteran Halls of Fabrication. But with all of the CC nonsense that happens there, and elitism and nonsense that swarms in high-end trials guilds... I'd rather avoid the drama entirely. Save the headache and bs, and arguments over goofy and petty crap. And speaking of guilds, I've started my own guild that is highly successful. But, it's just so damn hard to gather folks who want to do something. A lot of them barely sign in, and when they do it's just to do their dailies and get ghost immediately afterward.

On a lesser scale, I've done pretty much everything there is to do (except for completing the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood quest lines). I've Stormproof'd all my characters, and Flawless'd everyone but my Wardens. My favorite build (PetSorc)? I've mastered. I've purchased my favorite house, and completely decked it out (Grand Topal Hideaway). I've reached my PvP goal with my PvP-main (Centurion's my MagDK), and received Star-Made Knight on my PvE-main and PvP-main. I have all content skins, except for the VHoF skin and Imperial City Sewers Molag Bal skin. I've even bested crown crates RNG, and gotten the mount I've wanted within the first 15 crates every single time I've chosen to gamble (Storm Atronach and Dwarven).

What is left for me to do...? Redo the same quests? Roll more alts? Finally finish TG and DB main quests? Keep getting on Maelstrom leaderboards, and chasing after the legendary sharpened inferno staff?

I feel like I'm a fool for some reason. I feel like... There's something I'm supposed to get the point of. Like a subtle hint is being nudged in my direction, and I just can't seem to grasp it. It's like a presence of an answer is looming over me, and on the tip of my tongue. But, I just can't grasp it. I feel like I'm just wasting away, bruh. And the only thing left for me to do is get forum 10 stars, and then just ultimately quit for good. Ask the mods to delete my account at that point, for me to then just uninstall ESO from my PS4 at that point. Idk anymore.

I see you didnt get grand in pvp haha so let that be you goal now ...

POps75p

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Just had 2 more good buddies and excellent players up and quit on the game. A superb hard mode trial healer, who has quit to play Ark. 2 amazing hard mode trial tanks. 1 of which who has decided to play Overwatch full-time, and the other has shifted to Diablo 3 since the new Necromancer have been released (and for some time). And 2 casual healer buddies who I did veteran trials and veteran dungeons with, who both decided to quit for unknown reasons...

Like... What the hell? Every time I turn around this guild and that guild is closing down, or having less and less members show-up for scheduled trials. And I just overall feel like I'm not evolving or progressing. Am I quitting? No, not as of yet. But, I feel like I'm battling against RNG more so than anything. Trials feel mundane, outside of veteran Halls of Fabrication. But with all of the CC nonsense that happens there, and elitism and nonsense that swarms in high-end trials guilds... I'd rather avoid the drama entirely. Save the headache and bs, and arguments over goofy and petty crap. And speaking of guilds, I've started my own guild that is highly successful. But, it's just so damn hard to gather folks who want to do something. A lot of them barely sign in, and when they do it's just to do their dailies and get ghost immediately afterward.

On a lesser scale, I've done pretty much everything there is to do (except for completing the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood quest lines). I've Stormproof'd all my characters, and Flawless'd everyone but my Wardens. My favorite build (PetSorc)? I've mastered. I've purchased my favorite house, and completely decked it out (Grand Topal Hideaway). I've reached my PvP goal with my PvP-main (Centurion's my MagDK), and received Star-Made Knight on my PvE-main and PvP-main. I have all content skins, except for the VHoF skin and Imperial City Sewers Molag Bal skin. I've even bested crown crates RNG, and gotten the mount I've wanted within the first 15 crates every single time I've chosen to gamble (Storm Atronach and Dwarven).

What is left for me to do...? Redo the same quests? Roll more alts? Finally finish TG and DB main quests? Keep getting on Maelstrom leaderboards, and chasing after the legendary sharpened inferno staff?

I feel like I'm a fool for some reason. I feel like... There's something I'm supposed to get the point of. Like a subtle hint is being nudged in my direction, and I just can't seem to grasp it. It's like a presence of an answer is looming over me, and on the tip of my tongue. But, I just can't grasp it. I feel like I'm just wasting away, bruh. And the only thing left for me to do is get forum 10 stars, and then just ultimately quit for good. Ask the mods to delete my account at that point, for me to then just uninstall ESO from my PS4 at that point. Idk anymore.

i'm burned out as well, the constant changing and nerf's and grinding to get the new stuff etc is just never ending bs

Nebthet78

starkerealm wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

oh come on. Hardcore End-Game Raiders are some of the FIRST players to quit the game. they burn themselves out by pushing the SAME content over and over and over again. They participate in that content at a high stress, high personal demand level every time too.

of course they are going to quit. look at every game ever made.

sounds like your firends should have branched out more. tried pvp or more casual take on the game.

and look at what they left for: Ark? Diablo 3!?!?! bwahahahahahaha theyll be back. theyll come crawling back, get in good, act like theyve always loved ESO and never quit. you watch. bunch of fairweather ESO players. peace out.

Everyone's just waiting on Destiny 2

Also, though I can't vouch for any other server besides PS4 NA, endgame PvE population as a whole (both at peak population and when people are burned out/taking a break) are significantly lower each patch. In Morrowind it has gotten to the point where it's almost a ghost town.

And on PC, using available metrics, it's actually up.

That said, it wouldn't surprise me if Vvardenfell is a bit of a ghost town for a couple reasons. One, it's a much larger zone, so people are distributed over a much greater space. I'm always shocked when I enter Vivec to see how many players are really there.

Second, unlike the DLC zones, once you've finished Vvardenfell there's not much reason to hang around. Granted, "finished," is a bit of a loaded term, but it is a zone with a finite amount of content, and in spite of its size, you can finish it off in a week or two. (Or a weekend of intensive play.)

It's not really like the Gold Coast where we still had people swarming over the group events a year after it went live.

starkerealm not referring to Vvardenfell or DLC zones though. As a side note, I like that Vvardenfell feels more empty. It's cooler this way for exploring imo to feel like I'm playing TES III in certain areas

I was talking specifically talking about endgame PvE population as in Vet trials. The amount of groups that are capable enough to beat Maw of Lorkhaj is so low. Halls of Fabrication has far less groups. In Morrowind the numbers fell a lot due to sustain changes, and today I'm pretty sure my team disbanded until 3rd/4th quarter....

I really hope things are better for other platforms! Couldn't get a whole lot worse over here.

Yeah, that group I understand. I wasn't thinking about them as much, but I do understand. In fairness, when it comes to vet trials, we're always talking about a tiny sliver of the population as a whole.

True It wasn't ever close to this bad though in the past, even in Homestead.

That's the other thing about the sustain changes in Morrowind. It was specifically targeted at you. Well, not you specifically, but players who were cheesing the vet Trials and Dungeons through infinite sustain. So, it's not surprising it's hit that segment of the community the hardest.

No.. the changes were meant to bring down the players who were cheesing the Vet Trials and Dungeons. HOWEVER, they unded up cheesing those players in the middle gab that actually needed a little help thus cutting them out of content they could just accomplish prior to the update by following the mechanics. They lowered the ceiling, but they sure as hell did not raise the floor.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

This isn't just normal MMO burnout. This is ZOS just not caring about evolving the game and leaving content stagnant for so long since they only seem to care about pushing out the next box or DLC or "Chapter" (which is still DLC).

• Remember when ALL the trials had under-leveled mobs that dropped underleveled gear for about 6 months? What do you think that did to the endgame raiding community?
• Remember when Agility/Willpower/Endurance jewelry was the ONLY max level jewelry that dropped in game? For another 6 months?
• Remember when PvP gear vendors were also underleveled for so long and we asked ZOS why and they told us they don't want people with a ton of AP getting the best gear, but if you had a ton of Tel-Var, you could get the best gear (if you bought their latest DLC).
• Remember when Maw of Lorcrap Trial was able to be cheesed and everyone exploited it for months getting titles, skins, and gear reserved usually reserved only for people that actually took the time to learn it? We told ZOS immediately but they just sat on their hands.
• Remember when PvP used to acutally work at decent framerates and pings with "hundreds" of players on screen just like the website says it should?

I would say Pepperidge Farm remembers but Pepperidge Farm hasn't logged into this game for 8 months.

Egonieser

Been feeling like that for well over a year. Which allows me to focus on other things in life and also try new games. Been having a blast playing STALKER: Call of Misery - heavily modded and experimenting with new and refreshing mods and all. Beats Skyrim by a long shot. If I ever get bored, I get new mods, shuffle the map around and it's like playing a brand new game.
Only playing ESO now for the event.

BlazingDynamo

Was one rnc again? That would be a blessing

Mazbt

I've had some friends I played a lot with move to LOL, and some other friends left for BDO . I'm kinda salty about it but what u gonna do? If you are still interested in the game just gotta move on and find other peeps to have fun with.

neal_brasier

MarzAttakz wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Ch4mp just likes to make these posts from time to time for attention. Nothing to see here - he has quit more times than I have logged in.

He also brings up just as many good points as you have logged in....

Get off his ****

Mojmir

neal_brasier wrote: »

MarzAttakz wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Ch4mp just likes to make these posts from time to time for attention. Nothing to see here - he has quit more times than I have logged in.

He also brings up just as many good points as you have logged in....

Get off his ****

Wait your turn

qsnoopyjr

Keep_Door wrote: »

I play for fun ...... i mean its that simple.

Sounds like the game isnt fun for you...... i personally would not play a game if it wasnt fun.

I don't play with people like you
the so called sterotype "play 4 fun"

they typically dont run meta, typically die a lot, typically lack dps, typically will go healer because they terrible at everything else.

I only play with people who don't want to waste time "playing 4 fun". Do the meta, do good dps, do your part.

dpencil1

^ lol

Vaoh

starkerealm wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

oh come on. Hardcore End-Game Raiders are some of the FIRST players to quit the game. they burn themselves out by pushing the SAME content over and over and over again. They participate in that content at a high stress, high personal demand level every time too.

of course they are going to quit. look at every game ever made.

sounds like your firends should have branched out more. tried pvp or more casual take on the game.

and look at what they left for: Ark? Diablo 3!?!?! bwahahahahahaha theyll be back. theyll come crawling back, get in good, act like theyve always loved ESO and never quit. you watch. bunch of fairweather ESO players. peace out.

Everyone's just waiting on Destiny 2

Also, though I can't vouch for any other server besides PS4 NA, endgame PvE population as a whole (both at peak population and when people are burned out/taking a break) are significantly lower each patch. In Morrowind it has gotten to the point where it's almost a ghost town.

And on PC, using available metrics, it's actually up.

That said, it wouldn't surprise me if Vvardenfell is a bit of a ghost town for a couple reasons. One, it's a much larger zone, so people are distributed over a much greater space. I'm always shocked when I enter Vivec to see how many players are really there.

Second, unlike the DLC zones, once you've finished Vvardenfell there's not much reason to hang around. Granted, "finished," is a bit of a loaded term, but it is a zone with a finite amount of content, and in spite of its size, you can finish it off in a week or two. (Or a weekend of intensive play.)

It's not really like the Gold Coast where we still had people swarming over the group events a year after it went live.

starkerealm not referring to Vvardenfell or DLC zones though. As a side note, I like that Vvardenfell feels more empty. It's cooler this way for exploring imo to feel like I'm playing TES III in certain areas

I was talking specifically talking about endgame PvE population as in Vet trials. The amount of groups that are capable enough to beat Maw of Lorkhaj is so low. Halls of Fabrication has far less groups. In Morrowind the numbers fell a lot due to sustain changes, and today I'm pretty sure my team disbanded until 3rd/4th quarter....

I really hope things are better for other platforms! Couldn't get a whole lot worse over here.

Yeah, that group I understand. I wasn't thinking about them as much, but I do understand. In fairness, when it comes to vet trials, we're always talking about a tiny sliver of the population as a whole.

True It wasn't ever close to this bad though in the past, even in Homestead.

That's the other thing about the sustain changes in Morrowind. It was specifically targeted at you. Well, not you specifically, but players who were cheesing the vet Trials and Dungeons through infinite sustain. So, it's not surprising it's hit that segment of the community the hardest.

Those sustain changes didn't hurt me though.....

All of the really good raiders stayed the same. vMoL HM is just as easy for me, with the only noticeable difference being that we don't attempt 5th pad nukes anymore.

The vast majority of raiders are nowhere remotely close to being as good as we are. All of those progressing through vMoL for the first time or even the Craglorn trials and almost beating it.... these people all called it quits when Morrowind went live.

I don't think ZOS wants to exterminate a portion of their community when content is being released to us still (vHoF+new trial in 4th quarter).

khele23eb17_ESO

People leave because they get bored. How long can you do the same things over and over before you grow tired of them? The exeption are people who play an MMO for the first time. Theyll be obsessively consumed by it for a few years but eventually most of them will join the army of MMO hopping burnouts as well.

Mojmir

this is the model they want: no long term players, play for a few months and then take a break.

Rickter

Guys, topics like these are just hard to take seriously.

Players come and go quite often. Ive seen it over and over. Its hard to stay dedicated to a game for more than a year if that. Think about all the single player games that makes millions in sales. People slam those games out in 3 months and move on to the next and thats IF those games have Witcher 3 level of content.

ESO is no different. Are you really expecting a life long commitment? I mean, theres guys like me with 219 days /played on my character but i am a rare individual.

On Trials guilds falling apart - do you want me to go over the history of NA PC trials guilds?

Well lets see, first there was:

• Hostile Gaming who fell apart and reformed under
• Genesis Elite who fell apart and reformed under
• Seventh Vanguard and Night Fighters
• 7th V fell apart and NF broke off to make a more "competitive" group called
• The Order of Mundus who fell apart and reformed under
• Crown Store Heroes who fell apart and reformed under
• a reformed Order of Mundus (and various other guilds) who fell apart and reformed under
• Legion of Bloodworks

who i am sure will find other iterations itself. in between there are DOZENS of other Trials guilds clearing content all the time. Requiem was one, and in fact at least 8 of our current and past members make up at least one of Legions core raids. Then you have Mechanically Challenged, From the Dust, NightFighters is still kicking it, Sepiternal Way is clearing vMOL - i mean the list goes on and on and on

The OP's example of a few friends quitting is not indicative of a [snip] thing. and thus I have a very abrasive attitude towards these posts. Players come and go. ESO is in fact extremely healthy. its selling a boat load of copies and hence why ZOS has shifted their marketing towards new comers. The PvP event EXPLOSION is evidence to exactly how many players there really are and thats not even encompassing the players that refused to participate.

So with that being said, count your blessings because ESO is in fact the best mmorpg on the market right now. Diablo and Ark dont compare. I know some players that left for ARk and are already back. like, for real?

there isnt any competition that isnt 7+ years old. and there frankly wont be. In this day and age of MOBAs, 4 player co op Destiny, and F2P KMMOs, no one wants to front the cost of a major triple A mmorpg and that is solidified for generations to come.