What if you want to participate in the event, but stink at PVP?

RobDaCool

I'm just going to go for it and I am perhaps the worst PVP in the history of MMO's lol

NordSwordnBoard

Recovery/sustain of main resource is your lifeblood.

W0lf_z13

Nermy wrote: »

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

my frist pvp experience i look back on now and laugh ... i jumped into AS ( didnt know there was a non Vet campaign ) ... was running solo and went up one of the main bridges ( don't remember which one ) and all of a sudden a full wave of AD came storming over the bridge .... Got steam rolled by roughly 30 AD ... eventually I found the Non-Vet and thats where i started learning the basics of PvP

That would be the bridge of points...

lol i was like ooooooooooooooh *** ..... at least though i tried to fight back lol

Vercingetorix

The achievements are largely doable if you sit in the back of a zerg and spam your class execute, such as Jesus Beam or Mage's Fury. Executes proc at low health and burst quickly enough to land you the final blow. If you don't have a class execute, then you'll struggle because everyone else will get the killing blow 99% of the time.

Also equip Soul Assault and stack Max Magicka, crit chance, crit damage, and spell damage. For sustain, use a Lightning Staff HA with an Oblivion Damage Enchantment equipped. For extra burst, you can use Valkyn Skoria, as it will proc off of Jesus Beam (if Temp), Soul Assault, and your HA channeled ticks- all of which are DoTs.

If you can't find a zerg, make a zerg. If a zerg cannot be made, join a guild and host a guild event where 20+ of you go into IC all on your Wardens and trample every Procblade in an unholy stampede of Birds, Bees, and Bears!

Nermy

randomkeyhits wrote: »

I intend to give it a go from tomorrow and just realised... no PvP gear at all

so given I'm totally strapped for cp 160 mats, would some sort of impen cp140 blue set be good enough at least at first anyway?

Yes absolutely, you might wanna make the big bits purple and if you really want to kill, your weapons should be gold. You probably have gold stuff if you do a lot of PvE.

randomkeyhits

Nermy wrote: »

randomkeyhits wrote: »

I intend to give it a go from tomorrow and just realised... no PvP gear at all

so given I'm totally strapped for cp 160 mats, would some sort of impen cp140 blue set be good enough at least at first anyway?

Yes absolutely, you might wanna make the big bits purple and if you really want to kill, your weapons should be gold. You probably have gold stuff if you do a lot of PvE.

Thanks, that makes sense. Will prob wander in tonight so I at least know which direction I should be facing....

W0lf_z13

randomkeyhits wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

randomkeyhits wrote: »

I intend to give it a go from tomorrow and just realised... no PvP gear at all

so given I'm totally strapped for cp 160 mats, would some sort of impen cp140 blue set be good enough at least at first anyway?

Yes absolutely, you might wanna make the big bits purple and if you really want to kill, your weapons should be gold. You probably have gold stuff if you do a lot of PvE.

Thanks, that makes sense. Will prob wander in tonight so I at least know which direction I should be facing....

have fun! thats the most important part

Nermy

Tbh, I hope everyone has fun. PvP is not as bad as everyone seems to make out. It's the best fun I've ever had in gaming and I am in my 4th decade.

Just jump in there, shout 'lfg' in /z and have fun!

idk

Find a group to run with. Simple as that.

vamp_emily

What if you want to participate in the event, but stink at PVP? Bookmark

Hang out with me I am not a good fighter but I get my fair share of AP running to as many battles as I can healing and rezzing players. Also I can give you tips on how to increase your AP as we play.

Taleof2Cities

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Just jump in and have fun, I wouldn't care if I were you. Take advantage of the week and make double AP and collect the PvP rewards.

In addition, OP, you might be lucky enough to see @Publius_Scipio in Cyrodiil zone chat if you are Daggefall Covenant ... for the latest on the War.

Cadbury

Ocelot9x wrote: »

You can do just like every wanna-be-smallscaling guy,you don't need skill to be effective in PvP with the current meta:
5 shacklebreacker
2 bloodspawn
5 alteration mastery

Just permablock and spam breath of life(magicka skill but you dont need to respect,just put magicka glyph) and sword and shield ulti/bat swarm and enjoy your ap ticks

Aww shoot. I have Honor the dead instead.

SugaComa

Top tip for PvP for none PvP players ... Buy lots of seige repair kits and just repair seige weapons you see up ... Stick with the group and spam your heaviest heal or AoE attack

I suck at PvP ... So that's what I do ... So far no PvPers have spotted my diabolically crap PvP skills

AlnilamE

1. Don't mind dying. It happens.
2. Have fun.

You will learn everything else in time.

gpreid81

CMFan1966 wrote: »

Ah yes, I did forget to mention that I am in the Aldmeri Dominion on my main. She was the one I was trying to earn Cadwell's Gold on and the only way I was going to get through it was to get it over with. Also, I am on PC/NA. I couldn't use a game controller to save my own life so I mouse/keyboard it!

Mouse and keyboard for the win B-)

qsnoopyjr

Go healer.

Healer is what all the newbies play anyway.

Two roles.
You either DPS aka kill
or you
Heal

Cadbury

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

Go DPS.

DPS is what all the newbies play anyway.

Two roles.
You either DPS aka kill
or you
Die

FTFY

apostate9

CMFan1966 wrote: »

Ah yes, I did forget to mention that I am in the Aldmeri Dominion on my main. She was the one I was trying to earn Cadwell's Gold on and the only way I was going to get through it was to get it over with. Also, I am on PC/NA. I couldn't use a game controller to save my own life so I mouse/keyboard it!

Hmmm....there is an AD mega-guild that is pug friendly...Total Domination I think? They should be able to find you a spot.

qsnoopyjr

apostate9 wrote: »

CMFan1966 wrote: »

Ah yes, I did forget to mention that I am in the Aldmeri Dominion on my main. She was the one I was trying to earn Cadwell's Gold on and the only way I was going to get through it was to get it over with. Also, I am on PC/NA. I couldn't use a game controller to save my own life so I mouse/keyboard it!

Hmmm....there is an AD mega-guild that is pug friendly...Total Domination I think? They should be able to find you a spot.

AD is terrible.

AD and EP best got whoopin from DC.
The best now reside in DC.

They aint interested in going back to AD or EP in order to try and to even the playin field.
Back in days there was no DC buff server.
I came and put them EP and AD in their place.
ALL servers are DC BUFF servers today.

Cadbury

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

apostate9 wrote: »

CMFan1966 wrote: »

Ah yes, I did forget to mention that I am in the Aldmeri Dominion on my main. She was the one I was trying to earn Cadwell's Gold on and the only way I was going to get through it was to get it over with. Also, I am on PC/NA. I couldn't use a game controller to save my own life so I mouse/keyboard it!

Hmmm....there is an AD mega-guild that is pug friendly...Total Domination I think? They should be able to find you a spot.

AD is terrible.

AD and EP best got whoopin from DC.
The best now reside in DC.

They aint interested in going back to AD or EP in order to try and to even the playin field.
Back in days there was no DC buff server.
I came and put them EP and AD in their place.
ALL servers are DC BUFF servers today.

@Publius_Scipio I KNEW it was you!

#Exsposed
#Dab

redshirt_49

Join a small group, take an outpost, let the enemy take it back, take it again, let them take it back, take it again, let the enemy take it back.. etc. etc. etc. etc. All the while AP rains in from kills and capture rewards.

It's scummy as hell but that's all kids are doing these days.

apostate9

Biro123 wrote: »

I guess this thread has already taught you one thing about PVP..: The PVP community aren't the demons and trolls that they seem to get painted as

A lot of good advice here so far - here's a but more...

AP/Siege
Buy siege and wood/stone repair kits as soon as you can. There is a starter quest in PVP which teaches you how to use siege and rewards a bit of AP - so worth doing that first.
Since you're new to it and so probably going to be worse at combat than most, I'd suggest trying the no-cp campaign and using a lot of siege (its more effective against players there).
There are siege merchants in your starting keeps (where it ports you when you join cyrodil) - and some repeatable quests that grant AP too (kill x nightblades etc..). These are worth getting. There is also a siege merchant inside the keep of every castle and at every resource node. So stock up quick when you start to earn.

On Grouping..
Ask for a group - as a new PVPer you WILL be more successful in a group and you will benefit from the AP that the group as a whole earns. You also will be using the leaders experience to give guidence, decide where to go etc. You generally get three types of groups in cyro..
1. The guild-only group. You will not get invited to these. They vary in skill/ability etc. The best will be seen moving in a tight ball, have builds which compliment the group rather than the individual, are using voice comms and are very well-practiced at moving together, co-ordinating ultimites/keeping each other alive etc.. The more casual will still probably be using voice comms but won't be as practiced and won't have group-focussed builds.
2. The small-man. Usually 2-4 friends who have played a lot together, have complimentary builds, TS, often found in resource nodes running In circles around objects.
3. The pick-up group. This is the group who will invite anyone who's looking at the time. This is the group you will get into. The pug will get defeated by the guild groups in most engagements, and will also struggle to defeat the small groups too (even if outnumbering them 3 to 1) But its usually part of the zerg and is capable of starting a siege.

Now if you do spam LFG in /zone, you will either get snapped up or not. Its simple. In PVP pugs, nobody cares which build you run, what your CP is, how many kills you get, how effective you are, etc. Its just about numbers. The leaders are generally trying to get a full group of 24. SO if you don't find a group - it will not be a reflection on your ability/experience.
When in a group, all you need to do is watch chat, take directions and follow the leader(crown). The only reason you're really gonna get kicked from a pug is for being offline or constantly being in a totally different place to the rest of the group(leader).
Also stealth when the leader stealth's (usually on approaching an enemy keep)

If you don't get a group - don't worry, its just because there isn't one running with spaces at that time (or the leader was too busy to notice your LFG in chat at that time - which is why asking every few minutes is useful)

In the meantime, if you don't get a group - you can still play. Learn to understand the map - see where the conflicts are (crossed swords) or keeps are under attack (have a yellow glow behind them) - and go there. You will generally see plenty of other people going there too. When you get there, there will often be a large amount of friendlies in combat - stick with them. You don't have to be in a group to play alongside others. You benefit from each others heals/buffs etc. grouped or not. You can help kill the same targets grouped or not. You can join in with a pre-existing siege etc.
This is called zerg-surfing. There are probably more people doing just this than there are in groups at any one time in cyro.

On Dying
Rule number 1. Don't get salty. You will die - a lot. Its what PVP is. I've seen some PVEers get really upset when someone kills them in Cyro or IC.. and take it as some kind of trolling/hatred directed against them etc.. It isn't, its just PVPers Pvping in a PVP zone.. I honestly think this is one of the main reasons people think PVPers are toxic etc.... I suspect if you do see this kind of rage in chat - its probably PVE-ers who are only there for the event and havn't learned this yet.

So dying.. When you dye, people will generally resurrect you if its safe for them to do so (even if not grouped with them) - so don't release straight away - wait a bit and watch the flow of the combat to see if it will likely be safe for them soon or not.
If you rush into the middle of a ton of enemies/siege, die, get resurrected, and then just do the same thing again, people will notice and will stop risking themselves/wasting their stones on rezzng you. So back off behind friendlies after a rezz, and be a bit more careful.
If you don't get a rezz, there may be a camp nearby. you can rezz there - but they are only temporary, and you can only use them once every 2 minutes? so its better to get a player rezz if possible.
Failing that, you can ressurect at any keep (or village) your faction owns - usually the closest keep and then a run back to the action on your trusty mount. Speaking of which, Cyro is big. Build up your mount speed as much as possible.
Use your dead time usefully, stock up on more siege/repair kits, turn in quests etc, before porting back. Learn how to get around.

Getting around Cyro
There is a 'transitus system' which is quite simple. The map shows lines between keeps you own, which are not under attack and control at least one resource. You can use this to instantly teleport from one keep to another. Each keep has a kind of glowing pedestal surrounded by npc casters which you can use to port.
If a keep in the network goes under siege, and its walls drop to below 50%, it will be 'on fire' (ie it has a firey icon behind it on the map) You will not longer be able to port to (or from) it. Also it may cut off other keeps that it links, removing the ability to port to them. You will also not be able to resurrect there either. But these 'flaming' keeps are the ones that need defending. Most people, when this happens, port to the nearest safe keep, then ride there.
Each keep has 3 resource nodes (farm/mine/lumber) If all 3 for a keep are capture, you cannot port. (but can still rezz)
Horseback - when travelling, there is a skill in the assault line usually called 'rapids' - it gives a 30% speed buff to you which also works while mounted. It is also one of the few skills that affects your nearby group members (where most skills affect anyone nearby, grouped or not). IF in a group, you will probably benefit from this.
Galloping makes it even quicker. your horse will run out of stam quick, but as long as you keep galloping, it won't stop (if you do stop, you need to recover some of that horsey stam before you can gallop again. Now this is important, Horse stamina is a measure of how much damage you can take before getting knocked off you horse.. This means that if somebody light-attacks you while you are sprinting with no horse-stam, you will be knocked off. Getting knocked off stuns you for a good few seconds - and gives no CC immunity - allowing you to be stunned again straight after.
Basically, getting attacked while on horseback is usually a death sentence - so dismount BEFORE you get to the fight.

Most importantly - Don't get annoyed, Persevere and Have Fun

^ This.

The PvP community IS NOT the way these forums make it out to be. Keep an open mind, learn the ropes and conventions, and don't sweat dying. You'll have a blast.

apostate9

redshirt_49 wrote: »

Join a small group, take an outpost, let the enemy take it back, take it again, let them take it back, take it again, let the enemy take it back.. etc. etc. etc. etc. All the while AP rains in from kills and capture rewards.

It's scummy as hell but that's all kids are doing these days.

No it isn't. That doesn't even work anymore and hasn't for months.

That may be what you read on the forums, but that is not what is happening in the actual game.

RupzSkooma

And get some good gears .

redshirt_49

apostate9 wrote: »

redshirt_49 wrote: »

Join a small group, take an outpost, let the enemy take it back, take it again, let them take it back, take it again, let the enemy take it back.. etc. etc. etc. etc. All the while AP rains in from kills and capture rewards.

It's scummy as hell but that's all kids are doing these days.

No it isn't. That doesn't even work anymore and hasn't for months.

That may be what you read on the forums, but that is not what is happening in the actual game.

joke [dʒəʊk], noun
1. a thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter, especially a story with a funny punchline.
2. an amusing and/or facetious comment
"she was in a mood to tell jokes"

deleted210304-002304

Going into the 7 day campaign will help you incredibly, it is a ghost town most of the time in comparison to the other campaigns; which makes the scouting missions much easier.

apostate9

redshirt_49 wrote: »

apostate9 wrote: »

redshirt_49 wrote: »

Join a small group, take an outpost, let the enemy take it back, take it again, let them take it back, take it again, let the enemy take it back.. etc. etc. etc. etc. All the while AP rains in from kills and capture rewards.

It's scummy as hell but that's all kids are doing these days.

No it isn't. That doesn't even work anymore and hasn't for months.

That may be what you read on the forums, but that is not what is happening in the actual game.

joke [dʒəʊk], noun
1. a thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter, especially a story with a funny punchline.
2. an amusing and/or facetious comment
"she was in a mood to tell jokes"

Don't quit your day job.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/don't_quit_your_day_job

Warraxx

Oh God, i'm gonna git rekt by all the pugs getting VD'd near me...

CMFan1966

Well, it looks like I'm going to be spending a lot of time farming (guild store shopping?) for rubedite ore, rubedo scraps and ancestor silk to make myself some impen gear today.

I want to thank everyone for giving me such good information. I am definitely going to try some of these suggestions. I may still stink at it, but at least I'll stink with other people.

LadyNalcarya

Dont worry, there will be many newbies and pvers, so youll get your achieves.