Selene NEEDS a nerf

RinaldoGandolphi

Docmandu wrote: »

Devil's Advocate: Seeing all the people claim how easy it is to avoid.. then why would it matter if they made it even slower or totally useless?! Seems it doesn't hit anyone anyway according to you guys

yup

actosh

Well reduce dmg and in the same turn reduce skoriadmg. Skoria is when coupled with cc the same as selene.

Weps

To me, the only nerf it needs is just an increase cool down.
Right now the proc is ridicolous, I can simply sit there and bash somebody 4 times and I get the bear.

For the damage, I've never seen it hit as high as incap.
Not when I was in light armour, or medium, let alone heavy.
The damage is not that great once mitigated, is just that procs every 4 seconds when you're melee, as if it doesn't have a proc chance.

GeorgeBlack

SirSocke wrote: »

There are already so big warnings (roar and bear) before Selene hits, so it is pretty easy to avoid, so why slot it?

Let's say I'm a Stamblade. So I will ambush and fear or incap, so Selene will hit you.
That's why it is worth slotting and that's the playstyle of a nightblade.

A nightblade cannot stand and fight.
A nightblade cannot outheal incomming damage.
A nightblade is squishy and it should be squishy.

That's why Selene is great as it is.
And that's why viper is not woth slotting anymore, 'cause everbody can heal, purge or shield through the dot.

I remember losing to good stamNBs back in 2015-2016. No Selene there.

techprince

SirSocke wrote: »

There are already so big warnings (roar and bear) before Selene hits, so it is pretty easy to avoid, so why slot it?

Let's say I'm a Stamblade. So I will ambush and fear or incap, so Selene will hit you.
That's why it is worth slotting and that's the playstyle of a nightblade.

A nightblade cannot stand and fight.
A nightblade cannot outheal incomming damage.
A nightblade is squishy and it should be squishy.

That's why Selene is great as it is.
And that's why viper is not woth slotting anymore, 'cause everbody can heal, purge or shield through the dot.

A nightblade is not suppose to stand and fight. You have Cloak for that reason.
A nightblade can outheal the damage in 1 vs 1 just by using Resolving Vigor.
A nightblade is squishy however dodge rolling 10 times is still better than sitting and soaking up the damage which you can do very easily. For this exact reason of "unending dodge rolls", some abilities and ults are now undodgable.
You dont even need selene, you just use it because it makes things easier.

GreenSoup2HoT

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

SirSocke wrote: »

There are already so big warnings (roar and bear) before Selene hits, so it is pretty easy to avoid, so why slot it?

Let's say I'm a Stamblade. So I will ambush and fear or incap, so Selene will hit you.
That's why it is worth slotting and that's the playstyle of a nightblade.

A nightblade cannot stand and fight.
A nightblade cannot outheal incomming damage.
A nightblade is squishy and it should be squishy.

That's why Selene is great as it is.
And that's why viper is not woth slotting anymore, 'cause everbody can heal, purge or shield through the dot.

I remember losing to good stamNBs back in 2015-2016. No Selene there.

You cant even compare the old times to now. We have enchants dealing 4x damage. Block/Sprint cutting out stamina. Roll dodge cost stacking. Proc sets compared to basically none back in the day.

They were like 2 different games.

TimeDazzler

Docmandu wrote: »

Devil's Advocate: Seeing all the people claim how easy it is to avoid.. then why would it matter if they made it even slower or totally useless?! Seems it doesn't hit anyone anyway according to you guys

This doesn't even make any sense. Yea lets make the bear even slower so everyone can dodge it just by running. The animation is just right, it has counterplay to those who are skilled and have a good reaction time. Plus as I mentioned before sometimes people dodge it unintentionally. It does matter if you make an item useless. All items in the game should be viable for both PvE and PvP, especially monster sets yet right now there are still so many underperforming sets that were not buffed by ZOS. And who said it doesn't hit anyone? I said approximately 25-35% can dodge it. Take your self-serving fallacies elsewhere and stop putting words in our mouths that "we" never said.

Minno

Cries wrote: »

Rianai wrote: »

Random armor procs shouldn't hit harder than most abilities including ults (that can be avoided too, mind you). Selene does so (at least in noCP PvP). For free and quite frequently. How can this be considered as balanced?

Cough* cough* Valkyn Skoria cough* cough*

But valkyn hits for like 2.5k in pvp and procs off dots lol.
My empowering sweeps hits more than valkyn.

I'm ok with selenes; if the lag doesn't affect your reactions...

Arkangeloski

techprince wrote: »

josiahva wrote: »

Umm, Selene is ALREADY easy to dodge.
1. You KNOW its a cleave attack if you have ever done vSW
2. THERE IS A HUGE GREEN BEAR THAT REARS UP...THIS IS YOUR CUE TO ROLL DODGE!

They didnt even need to do ANYTHING for this proc set. If you are dying to this proc, you simply need to learn to play.

Selene is avoidable and telegraphed while remaining dangerous. That's exactly what a proc set should be.

casparian wrote: »

Of course it won't prevent those hits. Those hits should land sometimes. Sometimes Selene should hurt -- that's what damage sets are for. If you can't avoid the damage because you've been CCed, you weren't paying close enough attention, or you didn't react fast enough, then tough. If you can't survive an incap + Selene gank, then change your build or change the way you react to ganks.

As always a L2P comment. I am 200% sure you are the abuser of it. This set over-performs and everyone knows it. You just dont want your cheese taken away. If you expect everyone to keep dodging then you are playing nothing but a stam dd.

Yup buddy l2p issue with you... why instead u cry nerf about skoria huh? One entropy and you are guaranteed 2 to 3 procs of unavoidable fire dmg lol... whats the counter play for that one? alot of magicka users abuse that one but yet nobody complains about it... honestly i dont care about procs... But why only stamprocs are the ones always ppl complain about? Ahh yess because 99% of ppl here are magicka users and they wont stop untill every stam class is naked and disarmed, i hope it does happen so they can find another thing to cry about...

techprince

Arkangeloski wrote: »

techprince wrote: »

josiahva wrote: »

Umm, Selene is ALREADY easy to dodge.
1. You KNOW its a cleave attack if you have ever done vSW
2. THERE IS A HUGE GREEN BEAR THAT REARS UP...THIS IS YOUR CUE TO ROLL DODGE!

They didnt even need to do ANYTHING for this proc set. If you are dying to this proc, you simply need to learn to play.

Selene is avoidable and telegraphed while remaining dangerous. That's exactly what a proc set should be.

casparian wrote: »

Of course it won't prevent those hits. Those hits should land sometimes. Sometimes Selene should hurt -- that's what damage sets are for. If you can't avoid the damage because you've been CCed, you weren't paying close enough attention, or you didn't react fast enough, then tough. If you can't survive an incap + Selene gank, then change your build or change the way you react to ganks.

As always a L2P comment. I am 200% sure you are the abuser of it. This set over-performs and everyone knows it. You just dont want your cheese taken away. If you expect everyone to keep dodging then you are playing nothing but a stam dd.

Yup buddy l2p issue with you... why instead u cry nerf about skoria huh? One entropy and you are guaranteed 2 to 3 procs of unavoidable fire dmg lol... whats the counter play for that one? alot of magicka users abuse that one but yet nobody complains about it... honestly i dont care about procs... But why only stamprocs are the ones always ppl complain about? Ahh yess because 99% of ppl here are magicka users and they wont stop untill every stam class is naked and disarmed, i hope it does happen so they can find another thing to cry about...

Nobody complains about it? NOBODY?
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/359155/zos-please-read-the-feedback-you-were-looking-for-update-15-please-comment
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4319202
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4318643
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4323195
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/358596/pts-update-15-feedback-thread-for-item-sets-monster-masks-general-itemization

You "buddy" L2Search issue with you.

IlCanis_LupuslI

LiquidPony wrote: »

techprince wrote: »

josiahva wrote: »

Umm, Selene is ALREADY easy to dodge.
1. You KNOW its a cleave attack if you have ever done vSW
2. THERE IS A HUGE GREEN BEAR THAT REARS UP...THIS IS YOUR CUE TO ROLL DODGE!

They didnt even need to do ANYTHING for this proc set. If you are dying to this proc, you simply need to learn to play.

Selene is avoidable and telegraphed while remaining dangerous. That's exactly what a proc set should be.

casparian wrote: »

Of course it won't prevent those hits. Those hits should land sometimes. Sometimes Selene should hurt -- that's what damage sets are for. If you can't avoid the damage because you've been CCed, you weren't paying close enough attention, or you didn't react fast enough, then tough. If you can't survive an incap + Selene gank, then change your build or change the way you react to ganks.

As always a L2P comment. I am 200% sure you are the abuser of it. This set over-performs and everyone knows it. You just dont want your cheese taken away. If you expect everyone to keep dodging then you are playing nothing but a stam dd.

When the huge green bear rears up ... you can also block. Or shield.

I use Selene in BGs. I don't really proctato, usually run it with Hunding's + Agility + Maelstrom weapons.

Honestly, and obviously anecdotally, I'd guess that my Selene actually hits about 25% of the time. The real benefit of this set, for me on my stamblade, is when it hits at the end of a well-timed combo into Incap. And honestly, that Ambush-->Incap-->Selene finisher feels about the same to me as the Curse-->Frag-->Execute finisher from a sorc, where if you take all of the hits, you're generally boned unless you're a tank.

Other than that, I don't see it doing much damage on my build, and I rarely get hit by an enemy's proc because it's very easy to dodge or block.

No issues with sorcs and im no Tank maby a Tanky dd

Arkangeloski

techprince wrote: »

josiahva wrote: »

techprince wrote: »

josiahva wrote: »

Umm, Selene is ALREADY easy to dodge.
1. You KNOW its a cleave attack if you have ever done vSW
2. THERE IS A HUGE GREEN BEAR THAT REARS UP...THIS IS YOUR CUE TO ROLL DODGE!

They didnt even need to do ANYTHING for this proc set. If you are dying to this proc, you simply need to learn to play.

Selene is avoidable and telegraphed while remaining dangerous. That's exactly what a proc set should be.

casparian wrote: »

Of course it won't prevent those hits. Those hits should land sometimes. Sometimes Selene should hurt -- that's what damage sets are for. If you can't avoid the damage because you've been CCed, you weren't paying close enough attention, or you didn't react fast enough, then tough. If you can't survive an incap + Selene gank, then change your build or change the way you react to ganks.

As always a L2P comment. I am 200% sure you are the abuser of it. This set over-performs and everyone knows it. You just dont want your cheese taken away. If you expect everyone to keep dodging then you are playing nothing but a stam dd.

I occasionally play a stam DD in PvP, but far more often a Magicka DK. I dont use this set myself, it doesnt appeal to me. It doesnt matter which one I play on, I am able to roll dodge out of this without a problem. Are you blind? do you not see the giant green bear? Do you not know how to roll dodge? Are you wasting your stam running to a fight? What EXACTLY is your problem that you cant dodge this?

Do you seriously expect everyone to have 60-80ms ping to react to that attack? Are you THAT blind to not see how fast that attack is? are you THAT blind to not see how much damage this attack does? are you THAT blind to not see this being an issue in no-cp environment? do you even play in non-cp?

Well is that the case change this thread to server preformance issues... and stop crying nerfs if your counter play is affected by either server lag or poor internet conection. And i do play in non cp on xbox na since azura star, and honestly skoria is more deadly fyi...

techprince

Arkangeloski wrote: »

techprince wrote: »

josiahva wrote: »

techprince wrote: »

josiahva wrote: »

Umm, Selene is ALREADY easy to dodge.
1. You KNOW its a cleave attack if you have ever done vSW
2. THERE IS A HUGE GREEN BEAR THAT REARS UP...THIS IS YOUR CUE TO ROLL DODGE!

They didnt even need to do ANYTHING for this proc set. If you are dying to this proc, you simply need to learn to play.

Selene is avoidable and telegraphed while remaining dangerous. That's exactly what a proc set should be.

casparian wrote: »

Of course it won't prevent those hits. Those hits should land sometimes. Sometimes Selene should hurt -- that's what damage sets are for. If you can't avoid the damage because you've been CCed, you weren't paying close enough attention, or you didn't react fast enough, then tough. If you can't survive an incap + Selene gank, then change your build or change the way you react to ganks.

As always a L2P comment. I am 200% sure you are the abuser of it. This set over-performs and everyone knows it. You just dont want your cheese taken away. If you expect everyone to keep dodging then you are playing nothing but a stam dd.

I occasionally play a stam DD in PvP, but far more often a Magicka DK. I dont use this set myself, it doesnt appeal to me. It doesnt matter which one I play on, I am able to roll dodge out of this without a problem. Are you blind? do you not see the giant green bear? Do you not know how to roll dodge? Are you wasting your stam running to a fight? What EXACTLY is your problem that you cant dodge this?

Do you seriously expect everyone to have 60-80ms ping to react to that attack? Are you THAT blind to not see how fast that attack is? are you THAT blind to not see how much damage this attack does? are you THAT blind to not see this being an issue in no-cp environment? do you even play in non-cp?

Well is that the case change this thread to server preformance issues... and stop crying nerfs if your counter play is affected by either server lag or poor internet conection. And i do play in non cp on xbox na since azura star, and honestly skoria is more deadly fyi...

Who said its not?
Also, we dont own the server, they do. So unless the game is restricted to the specific region with extremely low latency, we have every right to call for a nerf. Now let me guess your next comment... sit on the server right?

IlCanis_LupuslI

SirSocke wrote: »

There are already so big warnings (roar and bear) before Selene hits, so it is pretty easy to avoid, so why slot it?

Let's say I'm a Stamblade. So I will ambush and fear or incap, so Selene will hit you.
That's why it is worth slotting and that's the playstyle of a nightblade.

A nightblade cannot stand and fight.
A nightblade cannot outheal incomming damage.
A nightblade is squishy and it should be squishy.

That's why Selene is great as it is.
And that's why viper is not woth slotting anymore, 'cause everbody can heal, purge or shield through the dot.

Bs.
I play a stamblade
I can stand and fight
I usually outheal incoming damage(only exemption more then 3 destro Ulti at 1ce then it gets close)
My stamblade is pretty tanky(i used the Same setup in my Stamsorc and was way squishier on stamsorc
Its the build what makes you tanky/squishy Not the class

GreenSoup2HoT

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