Selene NEEDS a nerf
techprince
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Adding a telegraph will not prevent all insta 5k-8k hits. The animation is fast enough. Either reduce the damage, increase the cooldown or add 1-2 second delay to the animation so one can actually move away.
Edited by techprince on July 12, 2017 6:18PM 13
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josiahva✭✭✭✭✭
✭Umm, Selene is ALREADY easy to dodge.
1. You KNOW its a cleave attack if you have ever done vSW
2. THERE IS A HUGE GREEN BEAR THAT REARS UP...THIS IS YOUR CUE TO ROLL DODGE!
They didnt even need to do ANYTHING for this proc set. If you are dying to this proc, you simply need to learn to play.13 -
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✭✭✭✭Of course it won't prevent those hits. Those hits should land sometimes. Sometimes Selene should hurt -- that's what damage sets are for. If you can't avoid the damage because you've been CCed, you weren't paying close enough attention, or you didn't react fast enough, then tough. If you can't survive an incap + Selene gank, then change your build or change the way you react to ganks.
Selene is avoidable and telegraphed while remaining dangerous. That's exactly what a proc set should be.7-day PVP campaign regular 2016-2019, Flawless Conqueror. MagDK/stamplar/stamwarden/mageblade. Requiem, Legend, Knights of Daggerfall. Currently retired from the wars; waiting on performance improvements.5 -
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✭Sometimes i feel like some over here want fights to last 10 minutes each... A proc set by itself is not problematic, they are only when you stack them up, or and when there is no possible counterplay, which isn't really the case anymore.Edited by SanTii.92 on July 12, 2017 6:35PMWhen the snows fall and the white winds blow,
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techprince✭✭✭✭✭Umm, Selene is ALREADY easy to dodge.
1. You KNOW its a cleave attack if you have ever done vSW
2. THERE IS A HUGE GREEN BEAR THAT REARS UP...THIS IS YOUR CUE TO ROLL DODGE!
They didnt even need to do ANYTHING for this proc set. If you are dying to this proc, you simply need to learn to play.
Selene is avoidable and telegraphed while remaining dangerous. That's exactly what a proc set should be.Of course it won't prevent those hits. Those hits should land sometimes. Sometimes Selene should hurt -- that's what damage sets are for. If you can't avoid the damage because you've been CCed, you weren't paying close enough attention, or you didn't react fast enough, then tough. If you can't survive an incap + Selene gank, then change your build or change the way you react to ganks.
As always a L2P comment. I am 200% sure you are the abuser of it. This set over-performs and everyone knows it. You just dont want your cheese taken away. If you expect everyone to keep dodging then you are playing nothing but a stam dd.Edited by techprince on July 12, 2017 6:29PM17 -
josiahva✭✭✭✭✭
✭techprince wrote: »Umm, Selene is ALREADY easy to dodge.
1. You KNOW its a cleave attack if you have ever done vSW
2. THERE IS A HUGE GREEN BEAR THAT REARS UP...THIS IS YOUR CUE TO ROLL DODGE!
They didnt even need to do ANYTHING for this proc set. If you are dying to this proc, you simply need to learn to play.
Selene is avoidable and telegraphed while remaining dangerous. That's exactly what a proc set should be.Of course it won't prevent those hits. Those hits should land sometimes. Sometimes Selene should hurt -- that's what damage sets are for. If you can't avoid the damage because you've been CCed, you weren't paying close enough attention, or you didn't react fast enough, then tough. If you can't survive an incap + Selene gank, then change your build or change the way you react to ganks.
As always a L2P comment. I am 200% sure you are the abuser of it. This set over-performs and everyone knows it. You just dont want your cheese taken away. If you expect everyone to keep dodging then you are playing nothing but a stam dd.
I occasionally play a stam DD in PvP, but far more often a Magicka DK. I dont use this set myself, it doesnt appeal to me. It doesnt matter which one I play on, I am able to roll dodge out of this without a problem. Are you blind? do you not see the giant green bear? Do you not know how to roll dodge? Are you wasting your stam running to a fight? What EXACTLY is your problem that you cant dodge this?2 -
techprince✭✭✭✭✭techprince wrote: »Umm, Selene is ALREADY easy to dodge.
1. You KNOW its a cleave attack if you have ever done vSW
2. THERE IS A HUGE GREEN BEAR THAT REARS UP...THIS IS YOUR CUE TO ROLL DODGE!
They didnt even need to do ANYTHING for this proc set. If you are dying to this proc, you simply need to learn to play.
Selene is avoidable and telegraphed while remaining dangerous. That's exactly what a proc set should be.Of course it won't prevent those hits. Those hits should land sometimes. Sometimes Selene should hurt -- that's what damage sets are for. If you can't avoid the damage because you've been CCed, you weren't paying close enough attention, or you didn't react fast enough, then tough. If you can't survive an incap + Selene gank, then change your build or change the way you react to ganks.
As always a L2P comment. I am 200% sure you are the abuser of it. This set over-performs and everyone knows it. You just dont want your cheese taken away. If you expect everyone to keep dodging then you are playing nothing but a stam dd.
I occasionally play a stam DD in PvP, but far more often a Magicka DK. I dont use this set myself, it doesnt appeal to me. It doesnt matter which one I play on, I am able to roll dodge out of this without a problem. Are you blind? do you not see the giant green bear? Do you not know how to roll dodge? Are you wasting your stam running to a fight? What EXACTLY is your problem that you cant dodge this?
Do you seriously expect everyone to have 60-80ms ping to react to that attack? Are you THAT blind to not see how fast that attack is? are you THAT blind to not see how much damage this attack does? are you THAT blind to not see this being an issue in no-cp environment? do you even play in non-cp?Edited by techprince on July 13, 2017 7:39PM7 -
josiahva✭✭✭✭✭
✭techprince wrote: »techprince wrote: »Umm, Selene is ALREADY easy to dodge.
1. You KNOW its a cleave attack if you have ever done vSW
2. THERE IS A HUGE GREEN BEAR THAT REARS UP...THIS IS YOUR CUE TO ROLL DODGE!
They didnt even need to do ANYTHING for this proc set. If you are dying to this proc, you simply need to learn to play.
Selene is avoidable and telegraphed while remaining dangerous. That's exactly what a proc set should be.Of course it won't prevent those hits. Those hits should land sometimes. Sometimes Selene should hurt -- that's what damage sets are for. If you can't avoid the damage because you've been CCed, you weren't paying close enough attention, or you didn't react fast enough, then tough. If you can't survive an incap + Selene gank, then change your build or change the way you react to ganks.
As always a L2P comment. I am 200% sure you are the abuser of it. This set over-performs and everyone knows it. You just dont want your cheese taken away. If you expect everyone to keep dodging then you are playing nothing but a stam dd.
I occasionally play a stam DD in PvP, but far more often a Magicka DK. I dont use this set myself, it doesnt appeal to me. It doesnt matter which one I play on, I am able to roll dodge out of this without a problem. Are you blind? do you not see the giant green bear? Do you not know how to roll dodge? Are you wasting your stam running to a fight? What EXACTLY is your problem that you cant dodge this?
Do you seriously expect everyone to have 60-80ms ping to react to that attack? Are you THAT blind to not see how fast that attack is? are you THAT blind to not see how much damage this attack does? are you THAT blind to not see this being an issue in no-cp environment?
Are you going to answer the question? Why do you suck so badly at dodging it? You KNOW you are fighting a stam build...you EXPECT them to be running Selene. They are PLENTY of attacks that do crazy damage. Jesus Beam as an example...HUGE amount of damage that you just cant get away from, cant roll dodge...they are too far away to bash...blocking does nothing because they continue to spam it till you die...cant be reflected, unless you have a ranged interrupt slotted all you can do is shield/heal till you get out of range. No...this is a learn to play issue...this attack is clearly telegraphed and easily dodgeable unlike say viper(up until this latest nerf)0 -
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✭✭✭✭techprince wrote: »techprince wrote: »Umm, Selene is ALREADY easy to dodge.
1. You KNOW its a cleave attack if you have ever done vSW
2. THERE IS A HUGE GREEN BEAR THAT REARS UP...THIS IS YOUR CUE TO ROLL DODGE!
They didnt even need to do ANYTHING for this proc set. If you are dying to this proc, you simply need to learn to play.
Selene is avoidable and telegraphed while remaining dangerous. That's exactly what a proc set should be.Of course it won't prevent those hits. Those hits should land sometimes. Sometimes Selene should hurt -- that's what damage sets are for. If you can't avoid the damage because you've been CCed, you weren't paying close enough attention, or you didn't react fast enough, then tough. If you can't survive an incap + Selene gank, then change your build or change the way you react to ganks.
As always a L2P comment. I am 200% sure you are the abuser of it. This set over-performs and everyone knows it. You just dont want your cheese taken away. If you expect everyone to keep dodging then you are playing nothing but a stam dd.
I occasionally play a stam DD in PvP, but far more often a Magicka DK. I dont use this set myself, it doesnt appeal to me. It doesnt matter which one I play on, I am able to roll dodge out of this without a problem. Are you blind? do you not see the giant green bear? Do you not know how to roll dodge? Are you wasting your stam running to a fight? What EXACTLY is your problem that you cant dodge this?
Do you seriously expect everyone to have 60-80ms ping to react to that attack? Are you THAT blind to not see how fast that attack is? are you THAT blind to not see how much damage this attack does? are you THAT blind to not see this being an issue in no-cp environment? do you even play in non-cp?
I play with 200 ping, noCP, magplar, and don't really have a problem avoiding Selenes. Unless I get CCed with zero stam, it's just not that hard to avoid--the visible aoe telegraph should make that even easier.
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✭You should always be moving during a fight anyways so this shouldn't hit you too often if you're paying attention.PC NA
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techprince✭✭✭✭✭techprince wrote: »techprince wrote: »Umm, Selene is ALREADY easy to dodge.
1. You KNOW its a cleave attack if you have ever done vSW
2. THERE IS A HUGE GREEN BEAR THAT REARS UP...THIS IS YOUR CUE TO ROLL DODGE!
They didnt even need to do ANYTHING for this proc set. If you are dying to this proc, you simply need to learn to play.
Selene is avoidable and telegraphed while remaining dangerous. That's exactly what a proc set should be.Of course it won't prevent those hits. Those hits should land sometimes. Sometimes Selene should hurt -- that's what damage sets are for. If you can't avoid the damage because you've been CCed, you weren't paying close enough attention, or you didn't react fast enough, then tough. If you can't survive an incap + Selene gank, then change your build or change the way you react to ganks.
As always a L2P comment. I am 200% sure you are the abuser of it. This set over-performs and everyone knows it. You just dont want your cheese taken away. If you expect everyone to keep dodging then you are playing nothing but a stam dd.
I occasionally play a stam DD in PvP, but far more often a Magicka DK. I dont use this set myself, it doesnt appeal to me. It doesnt matter which one I play on, I am able to roll dodge out of this without a problem. Are you blind? do you not see the giant green bear? Do you not know how to roll dodge? Are you wasting your stam running to a fight? What EXACTLY is your problem that you cant dodge this?
Do you seriously expect everyone to have 60-80ms ping to react to that attack? Are you THAT blind to not see how fast that attack is? are you THAT blind to not see how much damage this attack does? are you THAT blind to not see this being an issue in no-cp environment?
Are you going to answer the question? Why do you suck so badly at dodging it? You KNOW you are fighting a stam build...you EXPECT them to be running Selene. They are PLENTY of attacks that do crazy damage. Jesus Beam as an example...HUGE amount of damage that you just cant get away from, cant roll dodge...they are too far away to bash...blocking does nothing because they continue to spam it till you die...cant be reflected, unless you have a ranged interrupt slotted all you can do is shield/heal till you get out of range. No...this is a learn to play issue...this attack is clearly telegraphed and easily dodgeable unlike say viper(up until this latest nerf)
I did answer, not my problem if you cant even read. Jesus beam is an ability, not a *** proc. They are vulnerable to interrupts and are wasting magicka while doing it. What a selene wearer sacrifices while proccing?1 -
techprince✭✭✭✭✭DeadlyRecluse wrote: »techprince wrote: »techprince wrote: »Umm, Selene is ALREADY easy to dodge.
1. You KNOW its a cleave attack if you have ever done vSW
2. THERE IS A HUGE GREEN BEAR THAT REARS UP...THIS IS YOUR CUE TO ROLL DODGE!
They didnt even need to do ANYTHING for this proc set. If you are dying to this proc, you simply need to learn to play.
Selene is avoidable and telegraphed while remaining dangerous. That's exactly what a proc set should be.Of course it won't prevent those hits. Those hits should land sometimes. Sometimes Selene should hurt -- that's what damage sets are for. If you can't avoid the damage because you've been CCed, you weren't paying close enough attention, or you didn't react fast enough, then tough. If you can't survive an incap + Selene gank, then change your build or change the way you react to ganks.
As always a L2P comment. I am 200% sure you are the abuser of it. This set over-performs and everyone knows it. You just dont want your cheese taken away. If you expect everyone to keep dodging then you are playing nothing but a stam dd.
I occasionally play a stam DD in PvP, but far more often a Magicka DK. I dont use this set myself, it doesnt appeal to me. It doesnt matter which one I play on, I am able to roll dodge out of this without a problem. Are you blind? do you not see the giant green bear? Do you not know how to roll dodge? Are you wasting your stam running to a fight? What EXACTLY is your problem that you cant dodge this?
Do you seriously expect everyone to have 60-80ms ping to react to that attack? Are you THAT blind to not see how fast that attack is? are you THAT blind to not see how much damage this attack does? are you THAT blind to not see this being an issue in no-cp environment? do you even play in non-cp?
I play with 200 ping, noCP, magplar, and don't really have a problem avoiding Selenes. Unless I get CCed with zero stam, it's just not that hard to avoid--the visible aoe telegraph should make that even easier.
Like slows doesnt exist?Edited by techprince on July 12, 2017 6:53PM2 -
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✭✭✭techprince wrote: »Umm, Selene is ALREADY easy to dodge.
1. You KNOW its a cleave attack if you have ever done vSW
2. THERE IS A HUGE GREEN BEAR THAT REARS UP...THIS IS YOUR CUE TO ROLL DODGE!
They didnt even need to do ANYTHING for this proc set. If you are dying to this proc, you simply need to learn to play.
Selene is avoidable and telegraphed while remaining dangerous. That's exactly what a proc set should be.Of course it won't prevent those hits. Those hits should land sometimes. Sometimes Selene should hurt -- that's what damage sets are for. If you can't avoid the damage because you've been CCed, you weren't paying close enough attention, or you didn't react fast enough, then tough. If you can't survive an incap + Selene gank, then change your build or change the way you react to ganks.
As always a L2P comment. I am 200% sure you are the abuser of it. This set over-performs and everyone knows it. You just dont want your cheese taken away. If you expect everyone to keep dodging then you are playing nothing but a stam dd.
When the huge green bear rears up ... you can also block. Or shield.
I use Selene in BGs. I don't really proctato, usually run it with Hunding's + Agility + Maelstrom weapons.
Honestly, and obviously anecdotally, I'd guess that my Selene actually hits about 25% of the time. The real benefit of this set, for me on my stamblade, is when it hits at the end of a well-timed combo into Incap. And honestly, that Ambush-->Incap-->Selene finisher feels about the same to me as the Curse-->Frag-->Execute finisher from a sorc, where if you take all of the hits, you're generally boned unless you're a tank.
Other than that, I don't see it doing much damage on my build, and I rarely get hit by an enemy's proc because it's very easy to dodge or block.1 -
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✭✭Umm, Selene is ALREADY easy to dodge.
1. You KNOW its a cleave attack if you have ever done vSW
2. THERE IS A HUGE GREEN BEAR THAT REARS UP...THIS IS YOUR CUE TO ROLL DODGE!
They didnt even need to do ANYTHING for this proc set. If you are dying to this proc, you simply need to learn to play.
Hmm, what do you do against Selene when ganked?Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
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✭✭Viper got canned though, so that burst you origianally were experiencing wont contiune to happen. All though a well placed eternal hunt rune with seleane is gonna be still strong.Edited by GreenSoup2HoT on July 12, 2017 7:01PMPS4 NA DC0 -
GreenSoup2HoT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Umm, Selene is ALREADY easy to dodge.
1. You KNOW its a cleave attack if you have ever done vSW
2. THERE IS A HUGE GREEN BEAR THAT REARS UP...THIS IS YOUR CUE TO ROLL DODGE!
They didnt even need to do ANYTHING for this proc set. If you are dying to this proc, you simply need to learn to play.
Hmm, what do you do against Selene when ganked?
Get more health. Slot mage light preventing the stun from stealth to react. Reactive armour also can reduce the proc damage.
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DeadlyRecluse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭techprince wrote: »DeadlyRecluse wrote: »techprince wrote: »techprince wrote: »Umm, Selene is ALREADY easy to dodge.
1. You KNOW its a cleave attack if you have ever done vSW
2. THERE IS A HUGE GREEN BEAR THAT REARS UP...THIS IS YOUR CUE TO ROLL DODGE!
They didnt even need to do ANYTHING for this proc set. If you are dying to this proc, you simply need to learn to play.
Selene is avoidable and telegraphed while remaining dangerous. That's exactly what a proc set should be.Of course it won't prevent those hits. Those hits should land sometimes. Sometimes Selene should hurt -- that's what damage sets are for. If you can't avoid the damage because you've been CCed, you weren't paying close enough attention, or you didn't react fast enough, then tough. If you can't survive an incap + Selene gank, then change your build or change the way you react to ganks.
As always a L2P comment. I am 200% sure you are the abuser of it. This set over-performs and everyone knows it. You just dont want your cheese taken away. If you expect everyone to keep dodging then you are playing nothing but a stam dd.
I occasionally play a stam DD in PvP, but far more often a Magicka DK. I dont use this set myself, it doesnt appeal to me. It doesnt matter which one I play on, I am able to roll dodge out of this without a problem. Are you blind? do you not see the giant green bear? Do you not know how to roll dodge? Are you wasting your stam running to a fight? What EXACTLY is your problem that you cant dodge this?
Do you seriously expect everyone to have 60-80ms ping to react to that attack? Are you THAT blind to not see how fast that attack is? are you THAT blind to not see how much damage this attack does? are you THAT blind to not see this being an issue in no-cp environment? do you even play in non-cp?
I play with 200 ping, noCP, magplar, and don't really have a problem avoiding Selenes. Unless I get CCed with zero stam, it's just not that hard to avoid--the visible aoe telegraph should make that even easier.
Like slows doesnt exist?
Purge, ritual, mistform, shuffle, dodgeroll, block, shield.
It's a huge, obvious telegraph. If you are eating bears to your HP pool, I don't know what to tell you. This was never in my top 3 of most annoying proc sets. /shrug.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub3 -
techprince✭✭✭✭✭DeadlyRecluse wrote: »techprince wrote: »DeadlyRecluse wrote: »techprince wrote: »techprince wrote: »Umm, Selene is ALREADY easy to dodge.
1. You KNOW its a cleave attack if you have ever done vSW
2. THERE IS A HUGE GREEN BEAR THAT REARS UP...THIS IS YOUR CUE TO ROLL DODGE!
They didnt even need to do ANYTHING for this proc set. If you are dying to this proc, you simply need to learn to play.
Selene is avoidable and telegraphed while remaining dangerous. That's exactly what a proc set should be.Of course it won't prevent those hits. Those hits should land sometimes. Sometimes Selene should hurt -- that's what damage sets are for. If you can't avoid the damage because you've been CCed, you weren't paying close enough attention, or you didn't react fast enough, then tough. If you can't survive an incap + Selene gank, then change your build or change the way you react to ganks.
As always a L2P comment. I am 200% sure you are the abuser of it. This set over-performs and everyone knows it. You just dont want your cheese taken away. If you expect everyone to keep dodging then you are playing nothing but a stam dd.
I occasionally play a stam DD in PvP, but far more often a Magicka DK. I dont use this set myself, it doesnt appeal to me. It doesnt matter which one I play on, I am able to roll dodge out of this without a problem. Are you blind? do you not see the giant green bear? Do you not know how to roll dodge? Are you wasting your stam running to a fight? What EXACTLY is your problem that you cant dodge this?
Do you seriously expect everyone to have 60-80ms ping to react to that attack? Are you THAT blind to not see how fast that attack is? are you THAT blind to not see how much damage this attack does? are you THAT blind to not see this being an issue in no-cp environment? do you even play in non-cp?
I play with 200 ping, noCP, magplar, and don't really have a problem avoiding Selenes. Unless I get CCed with zero stam, it's just not that hard to avoid--the visible aoe telegraph should make that even easier.
Like slows doesnt exist?
Purge, ritual, mistform, shuffle, dodgeroll, block, shield.
It's a huge, obvious telegraph. If you are eating bears to your HP pool, I don't know what to tell you. This was never in my top 3 of most annoying proc sets. /shrug.
Who wants to eat bears to their hp pools? if we are able to react before the bear hits then we will. But the reaction window is very small, damage is huge, cooldown is very low. Thats three problems in a single set. A simple slow allows bear to hit most of the times.Edited by techprince on July 12, 2017 7:07PM1 -
TimeDazzler✭✭✭✭✭techprince wrote: »Umm, Selene is ALREADY easy to dodge.
1. You KNOW its a cleave attack if you have ever done vSW
2. THERE IS A HUGE GREEN BEAR THAT REARS UP...THIS IS YOUR CUE TO ROLL DODGE!
They didnt even need to do ANYTHING for this proc set. If you are dying to this proc, you simply need to learn to play.
Selene is avoidable and telegraphed while remaining dangerous. That's exactly what a proc set should be.Of course it won't prevent those hits. Those hits should land sometimes. Sometimes Selene should hurt -- that's what damage sets are for. If you can't avoid the damage because you've been CCed, you weren't paying close enough attention, or you didn't react fast enough, then tough. If you can't survive an incap + Selene gank, then change your build or change the way you react to ganks.
As always a L2P comment. I am 200% sure you are the abuser of it. This set over-performs and everyone knows it. You just dont want your cheese taken away. If you expect everyone to keep dodging then you are playing nothing but a stam dd.
A L2P comment is exactly what is needed for someone like you. Stop blaming your ping for your unability to dodge roll. There was an obvious sound and giant green bear mauling you before letting you know to dodge-roll and now you have a giant indicator as well. Against an experienced player you only really hit selene when you incap stun them before.
EDIT: Plus now that Viper is nerfed Selene wont seem that bursty as before. Part of the problem was the combination of Viper + Selene + Oblivion damage (which also got a 6% nerf).Edited by TimeDazzler on July 12, 2017 8:02PMPC NA
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josiahva✭✭✭✭✭
✭Umm, Selene is ALREADY easy to dodge.
1. You KNOW its a cleave attack if you have ever done vSW
2. THERE IS A HUGE GREEN BEAR THAT REARS UP...THIS IS YOUR CUE TO ROLL DODGE!
They didnt even need to do ANYTHING for this proc set. If you are dying to this proc, you simply need to learn to play.
Hmm, what do you do against Selene when ganked?
Most often when ganked I am riding in on a horse which is on a new toon(if its an old toon I just ignore the attempt and keep riding) that doesnt have full speed, much less full stam, and its not the Selene proc that gets me, its the ridiculous falling off the horse stun. If I am on foot, then its really not a gank...just an attack from stealth and I have enough time to react.Edited by josiahva on July 12, 2017 8:04PM0 -
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✭Random armor procs shouldn't hit harder than most abilities including ults (that can be avoided too, mind you). Selene does so (at least in noCP PvP). For free and quite frequently. How can this be considered as balanced?3 -
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✭techprince wrote: »DeadlyRecluse wrote: »techprince wrote: »DeadlyRecluse wrote: »techprince wrote: »techprince wrote: »Umm, Selene is ALREADY easy to dodge.
1. You KNOW its a cleave attack if you have ever done vSW
2. THERE IS A HUGE GREEN BEAR THAT REARS UP...THIS IS YOUR CUE TO ROLL DODGE!
They didnt even need to do ANYTHING for this proc set. If you are dying to this proc, you simply need to learn to play.
Selene is avoidable and telegraphed while remaining dangerous. That's exactly what a proc set should be.Of course it won't prevent those hits. Those hits should land sometimes. Sometimes Selene should hurt -- that's what damage sets are for. If you can't avoid the damage because you've been CCed, you weren't paying close enough attention, or you didn't react fast enough, then tough. If you can't survive an incap + Selene gank, then change your build or change the way you react to ganks.
As always a L2P comment. I am 200% sure you are the abuser of it. This set over-performs and everyone knows it. You just dont want your cheese taken away. If you expect everyone to keep dodging then you are playing nothing but a stam dd.
I occasionally play a stam DD in PvP, but far more often a Magicka DK. I dont use this set myself, it doesnt appeal to me. It doesnt matter which one I play on, I am able to roll dodge out of this without a problem. Are you blind? do you not see the giant green bear? Do you not know how to roll dodge? Are you wasting your stam running to a fight? What EXACTLY is your problem that you cant dodge this?
Do you seriously expect everyone to have 60-80ms ping to react to that attack? Are you THAT blind to not see how fast that attack is? are you THAT blind to not see how much damage this attack does? are you THAT blind to not see this being an issue in no-cp environment? do you even play in non-cp?
I play with 200 ping, noCP, magplar, and don't really have a problem avoiding Selenes. Unless I get CCed with zero stam, it's just not that hard to avoid--the visible aoe telegraph should make that even easier.
Like slows doesnt exist?
Purge, ritual, mistform, shuffle, dodgeroll, block, shield.
It's a huge, obvious telegraph. If you are eating bears to your HP pool, I don't know what to tell you. This was never in my top 3 of most annoying proc sets. /shrug.
Who wants to eat bears to their hp pools? if we are able to react before the bear hits then we will. But the reaction window is very small, damage is huge, cooldown is very low. Thats three problems in a single set. A simple slow allows bear to hit most of the times.
Nope, still a learn to play issue...this is no different than half a dozen other combos out there, like the aforementioned curse-frag-mage's wrath combo. There are plenty of things in PvP that cause high burst damage. Selene is far easier to avoid than most.1 -
grim_tactics✭✭✭✭✭Another nerf thread?
Accept the challenge and just get better at the game.
ZOS - just start giving all these players that post nerf threads participation trophies please.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭techprince wrote: »DeadlyRecluse wrote: »techprince wrote: »DeadlyRecluse wrote: »techprince wrote: »techprince wrote: »Umm, Selene is ALREADY easy to dodge.
1. You KNOW its a cleave attack if you have ever done vSW
2. THERE IS A HUGE GREEN BEAR THAT REARS UP...THIS IS YOUR CUE TO ROLL DODGE!
They didnt even need to do ANYTHING for this proc set. If you are dying to this proc, you simply need to learn to play.
Selene is avoidable and telegraphed while remaining dangerous. That's exactly what a proc set should be.Of course it won't prevent those hits. Those hits should land sometimes. Sometimes Selene should hurt -- that's what damage sets are for. If you can't avoid the damage because you've been CCed, you weren't paying close enough attention, or you didn't react fast enough, then tough. If you can't survive an incap + Selene gank, then change your build or change the way you react to ganks.
As always a L2P comment. I am 200% sure you are the abuser of it. This set over-performs and everyone knows it. You just dont want your cheese taken away. If you expect everyone to keep dodging then you are playing nothing but a stam dd.
I occasionally play a stam DD in PvP, but far more often a Magicka DK. I dont use this set myself, it doesnt appeal to me. It doesnt matter which one I play on, I am able to roll dodge out of this without a problem. Are you blind? do you not see the giant green bear? Do you not know how to roll dodge? Are you wasting your stam running to a fight? What EXACTLY is your problem that you cant dodge this?
Do you seriously expect everyone to have 60-80ms ping to react to that attack? Are you THAT blind to not see how fast that attack is? are you THAT blind to not see how much damage this attack does? are you THAT blind to not see this being an issue in no-cp environment? do you even play in non-cp?
I play with 200 ping, noCP, magplar, and don't really have a problem avoiding Selenes. Unless I get CCed with zero stam, it's just not that hard to avoid--the visible aoe telegraph should make that even easier.
Like slows doesnt exist?
Purge, ritual, mistform, shuffle, dodgeroll, block, shield.
It's a huge, obvious telegraph. If you are eating bears to your HP pool, I don't know what to tell you. This was never in my top 3 of most annoying proc sets. /shrug.
Who wants to eat bears to their hp pools? if we are able to react before the bear hits then we will. But the reaction window is very small, damage is huge, cooldown is very low. Thats three problems in a single set. A simple slow allows bear to hit most of the times.
Nope, still a learn to play issue...this is no different than half a dozen other combos out there, like the aforementioned curse-frag-mage's wrath combo. There are plenty of things in PvP that cause high burst damage. Selene is far easier to avoid than most.
I just want to specify that window for avoiding crystal frag+curse+endless fury combo is 3,5 second by dodging , blocking or purging when window for avoiding selene is 0,5 sec. I would not compare those 2 as You have lot more time to do something agaisnt 1st one amd much more counterplay.Edited by Juhasow on July 12, 2017 8:14PM4 -
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✭✭Not in a favor of nerf! This is how we are killing every set and skill in game...1 -
TimeDazzler✭✭✭✭✭Random armor procs shouldn't hit harder than most abilities including ults (that can be avoided too, mind you). Selene does so (at least in noCP PvP). For free and quite frequently. How can this be considered as balanced?
Cough* cough* Valkyn Skoria cough* cough*Edited by TimeDazzler on July 12, 2017 8:17PMPC NA
Characters:Aldmeri Dominion Champion - Stamina Warden - AD
Tımë Ðâzzłër - Magicka Nightblade - AD
Ðazzler - Stamina Arcanist - AD
Sugar Deady - Magicka Necromancer - AD
Sprint v X - Stamina Sorcerer - EP
Tımë Ðâzzlër Ðk - Stamina Dragonknight - EP
Tımë Ðâzzłêr - Stamina Templar - DC
Time Dazzler - Magicka Warden - DC1 -
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^techprince wrote: »Umm, Selene is ALREADY easy to dodge.
1. You KNOW its a cleave attack if you have ever done vSW
2. THERE IS A HUGE GREEN BEAR THAT REARS UP...THIS IS YOUR CUE TO ROLL DODGE!
They didnt even need to do ANYTHING for this proc set. If you are dying to this proc, you simply need to learn to play.
Selene is avoidable and telegraphed while remaining dangerous. That's exactly what a proc set should be.Of course it won't prevent those hits. Those hits should land sometimes. Sometimes Selene should hurt -- that's what damage sets are for. If you can't avoid the damage because you've been CCed, you weren't paying close enough attention, or you didn't react fast enough, then tough. If you can't survive an incap + Selene gank, then change your build or change the way you react to ganks.
As always a L2P comment. I am 200% sure you are the abuser of it. This set over-performs and everyone knows it. You just dont want your cheese taken away. If you expect everyone to keep dodging then you are playing nothing but a stam dd.
A L2P comment is exactly what is needed for someone like you. Stop blaming your ping for your unability to dodge roll. There was an obvious sound and giant green bear mauling you before letting you know to dodge-roll and now you have a giant indicator as well. Against an experienced player you only really hit selene when you incap stun them before.
EDIT: Plus now that Viper is nerfed Selene wont seem that bursty as before. Part of the problem was the combination of Viper + Selene + Oblivion damage (which also got a 6% nerf).
Pretty much this... except for the Oblivion damage part.
Since Infused trait (which is BiS when using Oblivion enchant on weapon) got a 10% buff to its value, Oblivion enchant should actually deal more damage than before patch (and proc more often as well).1 -
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^techprince wrote: »Umm, Selene is ALREADY easy to dodge.
1. You KNOW its a cleave attack if you have ever done vSW
2. THERE IS A HUGE GREEN BEAR THAT REARS UP...THIS IS YOUR CUE TO ROLL DODGE!
They didnt even need to do ANYTHING for this proc set. If you are dying to this proc, you simply need to learn to play.
Selene is avoidable and telegraphed while remaining dangerous. That's exactly what a proc set should be.Of course it won't prevent those hits. Those hits should land sometimes. Sometimes Selene should hurt -- that's what damage sets are for. If you can't avoid the damage because you've been CCed, you weren't paying close enough attention, or you didn't react fast enough, then tough. If you can't survive an incap + Selene gank, then change your build or change the way you react to ganks.
As always a L2P comment. I am 200% sure you are the abuser of it. This set over-performs and everyone knows it. You just dont want your cheese taken away. If you expect everyone to keep dodging then you are playing nothing but a stam dd.
A L2P comment is exactly what is needed for someone like you. Stop blaming your ping for your unability to dodge roll. There was an obvious sound and giant green bear mauling you before letting you know to dodge-roll and now you have a giant indicator as well. Against an experienced player you only really hit selene when you incap stun them before.
EDIT: Plus now that Viper is nerfed Selene wont seem that bursty as before. Part of the problem was the combination of Viper + Selene + Oblivion damage (which also got a 6% nerf).
Pretty much this... except for the Oblivion damage part.
Since Infused trait (which is BiS when using Oblivion enchant on weapon) got a 10% buff to its value, Oblivion enchant should actually deal more damage than before patch (and proc more often as well).
That may be true but that player will now be using 5k less pen without sharpend and no burst viper to combo with a standard build without changing up the build.
All though my gank build with duel wield got buffed because of infused and pen mundus which makes up for sharpend loss. I still suspect i can one shot combo gank a majority of players under 25k health before they can even cc break.
Eternal hunt is still gonna be strong too.
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✭✭✭Umm, Selene is ALREADY easy to dodge.
1. You KNOW its a cleave attack if you have ever done vSW
2. THERE IS A HUGE GREEN BEAR THAT REARS UP...THIS IS YOUR CUE TO ROLL DODGE!
They didnt even need to do ANYTHING for this proc set. If you are dying to this proc, you simply need to learn to play.
Try to dodge on a build without much mobility once you are snared. Always these l2p suggestions from super biased players who abuse the heck out of every cheese in the game are so ridiculous annoying and it's always easy to figure out what kind of build the person who tells others to l2p is actually using.I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.7 -
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✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Umm, Selene is ALREADY easy to dodge.
1. You KNOW its a cleave attack if you have ever done vSW
2. THERE IS A HUGE GREEN BEAR THAT REARS UP...THIS IS YOUR CUE TO ROLL DODGE!
They didnt even need to do ANYTHING for this proc set. If you are dying to this proc, you simply need to learn to play.
Try to dodge on a build without much mobility once you are snared. Always these l2p suggestions from super biased players who abuse the heck out of every cheese in the game are so ridiculous annoying and it's always easy to figure out what kind of build the person who tells others to l2p is actually using.
You build a low mobility PVP build and get hit by a dodgeable attack and blame the monster set.
Run a cleanse
Block
Cast a shield or
Take the damage
Sorry can't agree on this point.
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