Magicka Nightblade MegaThread for HotR

NyassaV

With the recent changes to Scathing Mage and how Path now presently works, Magicka Nightblade's complaints are more valid again. As much as I wish to revert Siphoning attacks, I doubt it will happen. Doesn't mean I won't try. Please place ideas and complaints here. @Wrobel did a lovely job with many things this upcoming patch and I'd like to make this patch not harm Night-mages like Morrrowind kinda sorta did.

My little list;

-Grim focus; This really needs to go back to being 4 attacks, the 5 attack auto re-cast is only a DPS gain with a well done rotation, and it's really only good on a dummy. In actual combat there will be time you miss your weaves because of mechanics and the like. And don't even get me started on PvP, it's much harder to use now, but not at all garbage. If the 5 attacks cannot go back down to 4, then the duration of this ability needs to be extended.

-Siphoning attacks; Ahhh, the skill that made me love my night-blade is now almost the bane of my existence, the change of this skill pissed me off to no end, I would like it to be reverted even if the return values are different than before. The change to this skill also affected how sap tanks worked, very upsetting and sad.

-Cloak; Extend duration to 3 seconds rather than 2.9, this drives me nutz when counting in my head when to recloak (Minor issue, I know)

-Refreshing Path; Buff this skill's damage done by about 8% (Math may be a bit off) to be more on par with the templar's ritual of retribution.

-Strife; increase the damage of this and it's morphs by 8% (feel free to change value as I suck at math)

On a less Nightblade related note I'd love it if Nerieneth got some more love such as a 20% proc chance (Like Velidreth) on direct damage and having the crystal explode sooner rather than later while perhaps giving it more radius too. This would help out most every nightmage as 2 pc Kena is no longer Viable due to what you've done to Siphoning attacks

MLGProPlayer

Try playing a magicka warden.

You have no right to complain about anything anymore.

NyassaV

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Try playing a magicka warden.

You have no right to complain about anything anymore.

I have played one. They are garbo because of all the other tools in their set. They are a Hybrid class jack of all trades master of none. It makes sense for them to have the lowest DPS out of all 5 classes

Zedrian

Magicka Nightblades are the highest Magicka DPS in our trials guild from what we saw on dummy tests and perform really well in trials including vHoF. I am not sure what you are referring to when you say

@Wrobel did a lovely job with many things this upcoming patch and I'd like to make this patch not harm Night-mages like Morrrowind kinda sorta did.

They do great damage, they preserved a quick-pace combat (that the sorc lost), can survive really well depending on the morphs of skills.

My only wish is that the NB can proc Minor Prophecy when proc the spectral bow, just like the Sorc could before when using Shards. We don't see shards in trials anymore :'(

WhiteMage

I wonder if people know why grim focus was changed to 5 hits instead of 4. It's because before you were recasting it in addition to firing it off. Without this part of the change NBs would be given an extra GCD which would boost DPS in all likelihood. In order to keep this working properly (from what I understand of this problem as a non-NB), the proper fix would probably be to extend the buff an extra 1 or 2 seconds so you could get that last shot off more easily.

Also, path doesn't need a buff for that reason. Ritual of Retribution has a slightly larger tooltip than Refreshing Path, but it ticks half as often, giving a slight advantage to the NB.

Ashamray

Mageblades need no buff honestly. They are decent in everything. Only thing I want to improve is concealed weapon.

Rex-Umbra

Buff the shadow image. DMG is so low.

Br1ckst0n

Ashamray wrote: »

Mageblades need no buff honestly. They are decent in everything. Only thing I want to improve is concealed weapon.

Obviously magicka nightblade is in a good overall place but there are still many unused skills/morphs:

• Soul Siphon
• Agony
• Debilitate
• Power Extraction (yeah its a stam morph but needs a rework regardless)
• Bolstering Darkness
• Concealed Weapon
• Dark Shades

laksikus

Just so you know. On life i need only 3 Attacks to proc Assassins will^^

rustic_potato

Every class got changed with Morrowind. Learn to Adapt.

Abstraqt

Imo mag nbs don't need a buff, just fixing...

Merciless resolve: The 1second cast time makes trying to block cast or fire this as you roll dodge impossible, you just end up canceling it and wasting the time you spent to proc it.

There are SO MANY TIMES where it will "proc" (change icon) but when I go to fire it it just RECASTS THE DAMN ABILITY and no arrow fires, the time hasn't ran out on the buff but it just does fire.

It often takes way more than 5 light attacks to proceed, I have no idea if this is linked to what I say below about light attack weaving with strife or its me doing something wrong or something else entirely.

Strife: why can this be reflected if I'm literally stealing someone's soul!? If you put eclipse on a destro mag nb there isn't a single ability they can cast, at least stick to your descriptions and stop strife from being reflected

Soul tether: I'm not sure if it's just me but I'll cast this right on top of someone and they'll just dodge it, I have various screenshots of me using this against someone well within the radius and they get neither stunned or tethered...

Light attack weaves with strife: If you cast strife then go to fire a destro light attack it sometimes just doesn't even count as an attack, it won't come up saying dodged or anything but your merciless won't proc and no damage is dealt.

SanTii.92

Mnbs currently are overperforming pretty much everywhere, scathing nerf alone is no cause to revisit all those points.

Br1ckst0n

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Mnbs currently are overperforming pretty much everywhere, scathing nerf alone is no cause to revisit all those points.

As in where?

Marabornwingrion

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Mnbs currently are overperforming pretty much everywhere, scathing nerf alone is no cause to revisit all those points.

Are we playing the same game?

SanTii.92

Br1ckst0n wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Mnbs currently are overperforming pretty much everywhere, scathing nerf alone is no cause to revisit all those points.

As in where?

As in dps, duels, small and large scale pvp.

Astrid_V wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Mnbs currently are overperforming pretty much everywhere, scathing nerf alone is no cause to revisit all those points.

Are we playing the same game?

Idk, are we?

Xvorg

Br1ckst0n wrote: »

Ashamray wrote: »

Mageblades need no buff honestly. They are decent in everything. Only thing I want to improve is concealed weapon.

Obviously magicka nightblade is in a good overall place but there are still many unused skills/morphs:

• Soul Siphon
• Agony
• Debilitate
• Power Extraction (yeah its a stam morph but needs a rework regardless)
• Bolstering Darkness
• Concealed Weapon
• Dark Shades

Don't touch debilitate, please. It is the strongest ranged DoT in this game and can be put into multiple enemies. It's a key component in my M dotblade build.

casparian

Xvorg wrote: »

Br1ckst0n wrote: »

Ashamray wrote: »

Mageblades need no buff honestly. They are decent in everything. Only thing I want to improve is concealed weapon.

Obviously magicka nightblade is in a good overall place but there are still many unused skills/morphs:

• Soul Siphon
• Agony
• Debilitate
• Power Extraction (yeah its a stam morph but needs a rework regardless)
• Bolstering Darkness
• Concealed Weapon
• Dark Shades

Don't touch debilitate, please. It is the strongest ranged DoT in this game and can be put into multiple enemies. It's a key component in my M dotblade build.

Debilitate is massively underrated. It really helped me out in VMA.

LiquidPony

Zedrian wrote: »

Magicka Nightblades are the highest Magicka DPS in our trials guild from what we saw on dummy tests and perform really well in trials including vHoF. I am not sure what you are referring to when you say

@Wrobel did a lovely job with many things this upcoming patch and I'd like to make this patch not harm Night-mages like Morrrowind kinda sorta did.

They do great damage, they preserved a quick-pace combat (that the sorc lost), can survive really well depending on the morphs of skills.

My only wish is that the NB can proc Minor Prophecy when proc the spectral bow, just like the Sorc could before when using Shards. We don't see shards in trials anymore :'(

What you're missing is that Twisting Path was ninja-fixed (not listed in patch notes) to properly count as a DoT. Which is a huge nerf to Scathing Mage uptime, which is a pretty big nerf to magblade DPS.

Xvorg

casparian wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Br1ckst0n wrote: »

Ashamray wrote: »

Mageblades need no buff honestly. They are decent in everything. Only thing I want to improve is concealed weapon.

Obviously magicka nightblade is in a good overall place but there are still many unused skills/morphs:

• Soul Siphon
• Agony
• Debilitate
• Power Extraction (yeah its a stam morph but needs a rework regardless)
• Bolstering Darkness
• Concealed Weapon
• Dark Shades

Don't touch debilitate, please. It is the strongest ranged DoT in this game and can be put into multiple enemies. It's a key component in my M dotblade build.

Debilitate is massively underrated. It really helped me out in VMA.

I use it a lot in Cyro combined with entropy and destro reach. Few enemies can survive the 3 of them while spamming light attacks.

CavalryPK

Did any one say magblade ?

I would like some sort of ability that improves our mobility, like shuffle.

QuebraRegra

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

Buff the shadow image. DMG is so low.

I only run SHADOW image because NOCROPOTENCE. The teleport is unreliable IMHO (limited range which is not obvious, etc.) The damage is anemic, but likely intended as it cannot be killed.

GRIM FOCUS is still some jank... the whole thing just needs a less cringe/awkward re-work.

CavalryPK

any one got any cool vids. showing off how to properly use shade ? I have found that it is too unreliable during heated battle.

SanTii.92

Nbs getting greedy here damn. You are very strong for the first time in quite some time, and you want moar? C'mon.

CavalryPK

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Nbs getting greedy here damn. You are very strong for the first time in quite some time, and you want moar? C'mon.

Good sir, This is NB exclusive thread... please kindly see yourself out. Thank you.

jokes ask ide. i think you have a point. i do feel strong playing my class. it just the fancy MR management is tad bit complicated/unreliable/frustrating/i love that skill/i hate that skill.

Xvorg

CavalryPK wrote: »

Did any one say magblade ?

I would like some sort of ability that improves our mobility, like shuffle.

Double take?

casparian

Xvorg wrote: »

CavalryPK wrote: »

Did any one say magblade ?

I would like some sort of ability that improves our mobility, like shuffle.

Double take?

Double take adds dodge chance, but Cavalry is talking about mobility: i.e., shedding roots and snares like Shuffle does.

Subversus

Imo only thing we need is for strife to not get reflected, maybe revert the 5 light attack on merciless to 4. Syphoning attacks would be nice too, but we all know it's not gonna happen. The two I mentioned are pretty much only thing we need.

ixie

CavalryPK wrote: »

Did any one say magblade ?

I would like some sort of ability that improves our mobility, like shuffle.

Adding a snare removal to refreshing path would be nice

Xvorg

ixie wrote: »

CavalryPK wrote: »

Did any one say magblade ?

I would like some sort of ability that improves our mobility, like shuffle.

Adding a snare removal to refreshing path would be nice

During the Mythic Era, Cloak did that.

NyassaV

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Mnbs currently are overperforming pretty much everywhere, scathing nerf alone is no cause to revisit all those points.

Ummm... No? I mean they certainly aren't doing bad

NyassaV

LiquidPony wrote: »

Zedrian wrote: »

Magicka Nightblades are the highest Magicka DPS in our trials guild from what we saw on dummy tests and perform really well in trials including vHoF. I am not sure what you are referring to when you say

@Wrobel did a lovely job with many things this upcoming patch and I'd like to make this patch not harm Night-mages like Morrrowind kinda sorta did.

They do great damage, they preserved a quick-pace combat (that the sorc lost), can survive really well depending on the morphs of skills.

My only wish is that the NB can proc Minor Prophecy when proc the spectral bow, just like the Sorc could before when using Shards. We don't see shards in trials anymore :'(

What you're missing is that Twisting Path was ninja-fixed (not listed in patch notes) to properly count as a DoT. Which is a huge nerf to Scathing Mage uptime, which is a pretty big nerf to magblade DPS.

^ This someone in the know