Orsinium is bigger and better than Morrowind

Jubilee_Cake

Greetings, Warlords!

With the Morrowind release I got 2 more toons, 2 new wardens. I played them through start game locations to reach lvl 45 and 41. Then I decided I should finally complete both Morrowind and Orsinium.
So I started Morrowind with my level 45 Warden and completed it finally (done everything but trial) with 10k of XP to reach lvl50. Some questline were kewl, plottwist was good and interesting.
But it took me only 2 hours to complete actual storyline. Sidequests were not bad but I can't remember anything special about them.

Then I played with my lvl41 Warden and completed Orsinium (same story: everything but Maelstrom Arena) with 70k of XP to reach lvl 50. The main questline is a masterpiece, the best ever been in ES series (yeah, I'm overreacting), side quests had tonns of characters I met before, lots of lines in dialogues were connected to those quests. Can't say anything special about sidequests (same Dren, sure).

I'm not a good friend of words and phrases so I want to make the conclusion:
Morrowind is smaller, shorter, duller, less interesting, has little common with old Morrowind and it's way worser than Orsinium.
Orsinium is a winner without doubts.

So, whaddya think of it?

Mojmir

Orsinium was better in alot of ways, morrowind should have been a dlc with warden as part of the base game.

JasonSilverSpring

If you did Morrowind in two hours you missed quite a bit. Some quest hubs in Vvardenfell have multiple chained quests to complete with a final reward of skill point and costume, personality, etc.

But, I do believe that if Orsinium came out today it would be a chapter.

Alex_Lex

ZOS can state million of times Morrowind is bigger than Orsinium. But there are a lot of free and unused spaces all around Morrowind.

And stoopid Sadrith-Mora questline where you run from A to B to return back immediately 90% of time.

Jubilee_Cake

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

If you did Morrowind in two hours you missed quite a bit. Some quest hubs in Vvardenfell have multiple chained quests to complete with a final reward of skill point and costume, personality, etc.

But, I do believe that if Orsinium came out today it would be a chapter.

I have done all quests with all quest hubs whitened. So I have costumes, skillpoints and so on. I have done everything but trial.
What I say is main questline is extremely short: 2 hours to complete it.
With mount maxed it can be even shorter. 1.5 hours or lesser.

Beardimus

Orsinium was and is awesome, as too was Imperial City with it's longevity / replayability. I did everything in Orc land, every single thing. I bought TG and did nothing but starter quest so far. Then got ESO+ haven't started DB, nor Vvardenfell no real appetite. Wrothgar was a real stand out DLC.

The only annoying thing was the crafting writ hand in bugs on Xbox.

Tyrobag

You can get from lvl 1 to lvl 35 easily with questing in Morrowind (way more than enough to go 5 levels), you skipped a significant amount of content. Also (as has already been established) you title is inherently false, Vvardenfell is physically larger than Wrothgar. Orsinium was also improved over a few patches. Example: whereas Morrowind came with 4 new motifs Orsinium didn't have any until later patches. On top of that, Morrowind is going to be getting more motifs in coming patches, as well as more battlegrounds.

BraidasNM

morrowind definitely doesnt deserve to be called an expansion. zos just released a new class alongside a normal dlc zone. thieves guild came with a new trial and IC came with a different pvp mode so its no different in that regard either (if more effort was put into BG's I'd have a diff opinion).

and i agree wrothgar was really good, probably the best zone in the game

Enslaved

Morrowind vs Orsinium

• Not shorter
• Not smaller
• Not duller
• more or less beautifull, Ill leave that to each individual to decide

Jubilee_Cake

Tyrobag wrote: »

You can get from lvl 1 to lvl 35 easily with questing in Morrowind.

You totally missed the levelling changes in Morr patchnotes: levelling from 1 to 30 is way faster than from 40 to 50.

You can take any lvl45 toon to repeat my journey: it'd take you same journey to lvl50.

Crafting sets in not BIS now so it doesn't matter if there are new motif pages or not.

SydneyGrey

Orsinium is the best DLC they've done so far, but I love Morrowind, too, and consider it #2.

Mojmir

Tyrobag wrote: »

You can get from lvl 1 to lvl 35 easily with questing in Morrowind (way more than enough to go 5 levels), you skipped a significant amount of content. Also (as has already been established) you title is inherently false, Vvardenfell is physically larger than Wrothgar. Orsinium was also improved over a few patches. Example: whereas Morrowind came with 4 new motifs Orsinium didn't have any until later patches. On top of that, Morrowind is going to be getting more motifs in coming patches, as well as more battlegrounds.

Morrowind has a larger amount of inaccessible areas,you can't count that.

Turelus

Mojmir wrote: »

Tyrobag wrote: »

You can get from lvl 1 to lvl 35 easily with questing in Morrowind (way more than enough to go 5 levels), you skipped a significant amount of content. Also (as has already been established) you title is inherently false, Vvardenfell is physically larger than Wrothgar. Orsinium was also improved over a few patches. Example: whereas Morrowind came with 4 new motifs Orsinium didn't have any until later patches. On top of that, Morrowind is going to be getting more motifs in coming patches, as well as more battlegrounds.

Morrowind has a larger amount of inaccessible areas,you can't count that.

There was a really nice post in the beta forums where someone actually scaled the maps, cut the inaccessible areas then compared them pixel by pixel and Morrowind came out bigger.

Loralai_907

Out of all the additions post base game, Orsinium has been my favorite. I still spend time in that zone. TG/DB were not designed well in my opinion, it wasn't fun to level the skill lines for each of those at all. I did not enjoy the go do these boring things until you hit the next level and can do the next actual quest in the story. MW has been ok, I liked a lot of the quests, enjoyed the area, have done all the WB's and hunting achievements on one character and working on the second now (like fetching all the tomb rubbings etc). I like to spend time in Wrothgar, I don't have that same pull to hang out in Vvardenfell.

SanTii.92

Personally i enjoyed Morrowind's quest and content more than Orsinium's, but regarding size Vvardenfell Overworld Is 64.26% Larger Than Craglorn and 52.90% Larger Than Wrothgar, can't be discussed.

Jubilee_Cake

It doesn't matter if Morriwind is bigger cause it's totally empty mostly: rare enemies, rare loot and rare users who try to get Buoyant motif pages.

Mojmir

Turelus wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Tyrobag wrote: »

You can get from lvl 1 to lvl 35 easily with questing in Morrowind (way more than enough to go 5 levels), you skipped a significant amount of content. Also (as has already been established) you title is inherently false, Vvardenfell is physically larger than Wrothgar. Orsinium was also improved over a few patches. Example: whereas Morrowind came with 4 new motifs Orsinium didn't have any until later patches. On top of that, Morrowind is going to be getting more motifs in coming patches, as well as more battlegrounds.

Morrowind has a larger amount of inaccessible areas,you can't count that.

There was a really nice post in the beta forums where someone actually scaled the maps, cut the inaccessible areas then compared them pixel by pixel and Morrowind came out bigger.

inaccessible also means inland, where you cant explore/open doors.

Darlgon

Sorry OP. you are clueless on both size and time to do both zones if you <THINK> you completed them that fast.

Myyth

I think Orsinium was too spread out.
I am currently trying to do it with my new Warden that has 3% mount speed and its terrible getting around!

Elsonso

Wrothgar is very pretty, and the city of Orsinium is everything that the devs claimed. However, the main quest there has never inspired me. I have never gotten further than The Anger of a King on any character. I have done a few side quests, but I have never completed the museum. Mainly, Orsinium was a writ location, and that was all I did there. My active play was elsewhere. Today, the only thing that takes me to Wrothgar is surveys.

On the other hand, I found the Morrowind main quest to be more interesting. I have no idea how long it took me to complete it, or how much XP I got while I was going through Vvardenfell the first time, but it took me a couple weeks of daily play to get everything in there that I wanted done before I moved on to other things.

I think that the reason that the Orsinium main quest has been so hard for me is that I really don't give a hoot about the Great Moot. I seem to be assembling a host of people who don't want to be part of a host of people. I am content to let them be.

In Vvardenfell, I felt that I was actually doing something important.

Jubilee_Cake

Darlgon wrote: »

Sorry OP. you are clueless on both size and time to do both zones if you <THINK> you completed them that fast.

All quests.
All bosses.
All costumes.
UPD.: All titles

Everything but trial and maelstrom.

I have done it all.

Magıc

Orsinium is the best content (and biggest) they've produced and it seems to be the only time they realy put some effort into the content. But hey, TES and ZOS fanboys will still argue Morrowind is bigger and better.

Ch4mpTW

Wrothgar is easily my favorite zone, with Craglorn following closely behind. Why? Because it's a farmer's paradise. Throw in the beautiful Orc-styled architecture, and snowy backgrounds... And you have a recipe for success. Did I also mention the polar bears scattered about? Freaking polar bears! Yes please!

Jubilee_Cake

Comparing Orsinium and Morrowind in physical sizes looks like comparing Sweden and Syberia. The second one is way bigger yet it's empty and gives you lesser opportunities to do things.

SanTii.92

Magıc wrote: »

Orsinium is the best content (and biggest) they've produced and it seems to be the only time they realy put some effort into the content. But hey, TES and ZOS fanboys will still argue Morrowind is bigger and better.

How can you even argue is bigger. Do you have anything to back that up.

leepalmer95

Morrowind is still just an Overpriced DLC which they gimped out eso+ users on getting.

Elsonso

Jubilee_Cake wrote: »

All quests.
All bosses.
All costumes.
UPD.: All titles

Everything but trial and maelstrom.

I have done it all.

How long did it take you to farm the Sixth House Robe?

How long did it take you to find all of the tombs? Was that with or without assistance?

Mojmir

love how ppl find it unfathomable that the morrowind content can be done so fast, not everyone frolics and gazes at scenery all day.

Alex_Lex

lordrichter wrote: »

How long did it take you to farm the Sixth House Robe?

How long did it take you to find all of the tombs? Was that with or without assistance?

3 hours to grind 85k and to buy all pieces.

How long would it take to get sharpened VMA weapons?)
I'm talking not about grinding and some boring increasing of timeplay spending. Pure Morrowind chapter game is short and empty

SanTii.92

Alex_Lex wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

How long did it take you to farm the Sixth House Robe?

How long did it take you to find all of the tombs? Was that with or without assistance?

3 hours to grind 85k and to buy all pieces.

How long would it take to get sharpened VMA weapons?)
I'm talking not about grinding and some boring increasing of timeplay spending. Pure Morrowind chapter game is short and empty

How are you comparing maelstrom with public dungeons? Do so with Halls..

PS4_ZeColmeia

You guys make me feel bad that I've done almost every quest in the game and because I skip all of the dialogue and play with the volume off I have 0 clue what any of you guys are talking about.