What add ons are border line cheating to you

bloodthirstyvampire

Like I heard of an addon that speeds research up, that there is a cheat code

bottleofsyrup

That's not a thing. lol

Karm1cOne

Can't be done through addons.

GeorgeBlack

Combat notification addons.

Eso is adding the major UI needed by mmorpgs and that should be enough.

Many addons are not even being published. Zos?

vyndral13preub18_ESO

I think the one that lets you go, up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, b, a, select, start, for infinite lives is sort of ridiculous.

oMrRust

There is an add on called Miat PvP Alert's.
I heard Zenimax fixed that addon and did a patch a part of it.
It used to detect when someone from stealth was charging a heavy attack on you from stealth, or tells you when someone is around you in stealth.
(I am sure there is another one out there now cause I been testing it in PvP and whenever I heavy attack with a 2h sword from far away, they instant block or roll dodge when they never seen me, nor were they in any fight to begin with)

Stovahkiin

The only addon I really have a problem with was one that got used in PvP and told you if there were players near you, even if you were stealthed. It apparently also told the user what general direction an enemy player was in, again, even if they were stealthed. The addon did more that that I think, but I don't even remember what it was called since I haven't heard about it again since I got back from ESO vacation.

Personally, the only addon I use is one that tells me what style equipment is in when I find it, which is very useful for a fashion freak like me.

*edit* I see @OhAmex beat me to making this post D;

BigBragg

Add-ons work by utilizing information put out by the API. Anything Zeni doesn't want players to know, they lock that information from be sent out. All the mods do is collate information in easier to digest ways and adjust the ways to interface with the various components of the game.

GeorgeBlack

OhAmex wrote: »

There is an add on called Miat PvP Alert's.
I heard Zenimax fixed that addon and did a patch a part of it.
It used to detect when someone from stealth was charging a heavy attack on you from stealth, or tells you when someone is around you in stealth.
(I am sure there is another one out there now cause I been testing it in PvP and whenever I heavy attack with a 2h sword from far away, they instant block or roll dodge when they never seen me, nor were they in any fight to begin with)

The likes of Miats are bs. Notification of incoming projectile (CC?) Even though you can't see it coming?? Cheat.

bloodthirstyvampire

If it tells you where things are like skyshards its the same as using google to find them I did consider it broken but so is the Internet

idk

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Combat notification addons.

Eso is adding the major UI needed by mmorpgs and that should be enough.

Many addons are not even being published. Zos?

Zos has added on thing to the UI. The UI is still limiting, even by their own standards since Zos did design a UI more typical of modern day MMOs when they were developing the game. It was removed due to feedback from TES players wanting the limiting UI of the TES games.

There are a number of addons that provide simple and very basic functionality for both combat and non-combat aspects of the game that Zos has not added. These include multiple boss health bars, being able to organize group frames, see group roles, searching guild stores more easily, and much more.

Further, everyone has access to the same API and while there are some that may have customized the addons, but pretty much all worthy functionality is very likely in the current selection of addons. I myself have some custom addons, but they offer no additional information or are tests for new addons or new features for addons. Most of which has or will be made available.

If Miat still provides notification of an incoming attack that is something Zos can change API access to. I know Zos did remove API access to some of the information Miat used.

Alucardo

There's nothing that speeds research. There are addons that can auto craft potions, but that's a boring task so it's actually a really useful addon. Just set it in motion then go make coffee instead of crafting 400 potions manually..

I mean, some would consider Miat's addon that detects stealth attacks border line cheating. It may be, but I hate stealth in this game anyway, so that guy deserves a medal.

Tryxus

Elsonso

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

Like I heard of an addon that speeds research up, that there is a cheat code

Thankfully, that cannot be done.

I do want to stress that it is not add-ons that cheat, it is the people who use them that cheat.

I consider use of automation to be cheating. This would be players using the auto fish filet capability of a certain add-on, or the ones that allow you to craft or deconstruct multiple items in a single pass, and are used in that manner. When not used for automation, I don't think the add-on is cheating. I don't think that ZOS considers these to be cheating, no matter how they are used.

ChandraNalaar

I always see a lot of posts about Miat's but I personally don't have an issue with it. Way back when Miat's first became pretty noticeable there was a lot of hate about how it was cheating and bs and all sorts of other things. It used to tell you a lot more information than you needed to know, so ZoS changed the API to account for that. ZoS has stated that using Miat's is not an exploit and they won't take any action against players using it, but that they will make changes to the API as necessary. Hence, I don't think using Miat's is cheating or an exploit; regardless of whether or not you think an addon is cheating, if ZoS says it's not then officially it's not. You could argue that using Raid Notifier is cheating because it tells you boss mechanics even if you don't necessarily notice them or there is a delay, and there are people who do think it's cheating. That's a matter of personal preference/opinion, which is why I think the Miat's argument is a waste of time. All addons do is utilize the information accessible in the API and present it to the user in a more convenient format. Craftstore, for example, tells you what research you have completed on each toon that way you don't have to go logging through every single one each time you make research items. The information is all there, but the addon presents it to me in such a way that is more convenient than the standard version.

DaveMoeDee

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

Like I heard of an addon that speeds research up, that there is a cheat code

It isn't obvious that cooldowns are stored server side and addons cannot change them?

Enslaved

Miat's pvp addon is not borderline but plain and simple cheating.

DaveMoeDee

lordrichter wrote: »

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

Like I heard of an addon that speeds research up, that there is a cheat code

Thankfully, that cannot be done.

I do want to stress that it is not add-ons that cheat, it is the people who use them that cheat.

I consider use of automation to be cheating. This would be players using the auto fish filet capability of a certain add-on, or the ones that allow you to craft or deconstruct multiple items in a single pass, and are used in that manner. When not used for automation, I don't think the add-on is cheating. I don't think that ZOS considers these to be cheating, no matter how they are used.

I use auto-deconstruct all the time if I am multitasking. Thing is, auto-deconstruct is considerable slower than spamming the action key.

That being said, if something is that widely used and ZOS has no comment on it, I don't consider it cheating. If ZOS said it was cheating and those addon makers should remove the automation, I would abide by the decision. Since these automations are available to everyone on PC and do not clutter the UI, I feel it is on you if you choose to not use them (unless they add considerable instability to the game).

Rohamad_Ali

Role playing emote add ons . They make average RolePlayers look elite .

lord.xantam

Addons that let you change gear and skills with one button. For pve its fine, but i dont think its healthy for pvp, since you can slot different builds for different oponnents and switch before entering combat.

rootimus

lordrichter wrote: »

I consider use of automation to be cheating. This would be players using the auto fish filet capability of a certain add-on, or the ones that allow you to craft or deconstruct multiple items in a single pass, and are used in that manner.

How is any of that cheating, unless you mean cheating RSI out of another victim? It boggles my mind that the type of automation you cite hasn't been part of the base game since alpha.

Jitterbug

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Role playing emote add ons . They make average RolePlayers look elite .

And erp too fast...

Feanor

Enslaved wrote: »

Miat's pvp addon is not borderline but plain and simple cheating.

By that logic so would be attacking from stealth. A view point I share, stealth as it is done in this game is BS.

Mitrenga

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

OhAmex wrote: »

There is an add on called Miat PvP Alert's.
I heard Zenimax fixed that addon and did a patch a part of it.
It used to detect when someone from stealth was charging a heavy attack on you from stealth, or tells you when someone is around you in stealth.
(I am sure there is another one out there now cause I been testing it in PvP and whenever I heavy attack with a 2h sword from far away, they instant block or roll dodge when they never seen me, nor were they in any fight to begin with)

The likes of Miats are bs. Notification of incoming projectile (CC?) Even though you can't see it coming?? Cheat.

Yeah. Saw someone on the zone chat complaining about one player consantly roll dodging, while the other player is charging his snipe, not even released the arrow... On the open field when there is no one.

Elsonso

lord.xantam wrote: »

Addons that let you change gear and skills with one button. For pve its fine, but i dont think its healthy for pvp, since you can slot different builds for different oponnents and switch before entering combat.

Yeah, I forgot about those. I think that using them should be bannable.

Kiralyn2000

The only mods I use are informational (i.e, things I could look up anyway on google - like skyshards; or things I could write notes about - what recipes my characters already know, where I harvested materials & chests), and the batch crafter. Hitting R 500 times at the cooking stove while watching a youtube video is such compelling gameplay.

Malic

I recall in beta, Firor or one of the other people at ZOS talking about how they wanted meaningful challenging game play via visual cue's to time your skills. Much like Console had for so long, on PC briefly there were no addons. You couldnt track buffs you had to time it mentally.

So in that spirit all of them are cheating the spirit in which the game was intended to be played but like nearly every MMO company ZOS allowed easier and easier game play for the casuals. To the point where a lot of games, and ESO is heading this way there isnt actually any challenging game play left. Red circles are on the ground so you know to move, you have trackers that tell you when to apply your skills again.

Once the evolve to this point usually the new content is most notable for its graphic beauty, or depth of NPC narratives not combat or skill based game play.

At this point that horse has left the barn, so I would venture to say any addon that gives you the advantage of knowing what someone else is doing in a PVP environment is a cheat. Miat has been mentioned and by my definition his old addon absolutely qualifies but he's still out there which tells you all you need to know. ZOS isnt interested in good game play or reasonably challenging combat/pvp they are interested in maximizing profits.

An addon like the one that was developed prior should have resulted in a perm ban to make sure the integrity of the PVP product was kept balanced and people were held to account. He isnt the first, we used to have a guy that had an addon/script that allowed him to be in perm mist form and still execute skills. That went on for nearly a year.

You now have people that can rez themselves in cyrodiil upon death and no it isnt the set. People have been cheating in ESO since day one, ZOS appears to be apathetic to it so its really moot to discuss at this point.

Keep_Door

Let me just write a few of these down.

Iselin

Tryxus wrote: »

I can just imagine someone at their keyboard right now trying to do that... the same guy who just tried setting their computer date ahead by 28 days and checked to see if his research was done

Sylosi

ChandraNalaar wrote: »

You could argue that using Raid Notifier is cheating because it tells you boss mechanics even if you don't necessarily notice them or there is a delay, and there are people who do think it's cheating. That's a matter of personal preference/opinion, which is why I think the Miat's argument is a waste of time.

Putting aside that I seem to remember the stealth aspects of Miats have been removed, your comparison is flawed, boss mechanics are visible in game to players, now you can argue an addon notifying you of them is cheating beause it means players don't have to pay as much attention to observe the boss mechancis, but that is not the same as an addon notifying you of something that is not even possible to observe for yourself through game mechanics like someone being stealthed in some random place and powering up a heavy attack to hit you, it is clearly a cheat.

(and no some community manager coming out with excuses in case reworking things is too much hassle, does not make it 'not a cheat', in the same way that many "official" statements from the North Korean government don't have any actual basis in reality)

Arthg

When I'm grumpy (most of the time) I wish I could play on consoles, even though I hate them.
I swear I must be the only one on PC/EU not playing with Miat's addon.
Crikey, I can hardly ever land a crit rush on players with their backs on me.
They must have the 'dodge now!' alert or something.
Now where the feck is the fun in having a crutch like that, I don't know, but every now and then it makes me sigh in dismayed desperation.