What add ons are border line cheating to you

Feanor

Arthg wrote: »

When I'm grumpy (most of the time) I wish I could play on consoles, even though I hate them.
I swear I must be the only one on PC/EU not playing with Miat's addon.
Crikey, I can hardly ever land a crit rush on players with their backs on me.
They must have the 'dodge now!' alert or something.
Now where the feck is the fun in having a crutch like that, I don't know, but every now and then it makes me sigh in dismayed desperation.

I'm not using it either. Pressing E to respawn is quick and doesn't drop FPS. Unless you're getting a Loadscreen of Eternity ofc.

Anne_Firehawk

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

OhAmex wrote: »

There is an add on called Miat PvP Alert's.
I heard Zenimax fixed that addon and did a patch a part of it.
It used to detect when someone from stealth was charging a heavy attack on you from stealth, or tells you when someone is around you in stealth.
(I am sure there is another one out there now cause I been testing it in PvP and whenever I heavy attack with a 2h sword from far away, they instant block or roll dodge when they never seen me, nor were they in any fight to begin with)

The likes of Miats are bs. Notification of incoming projectile (CC?) Even though you can't see it coming?? Cheat.

Blame Zenimax for allowing it?

MaKTaiL

Skyshard location add-on is pretty lame IMO. Consoles will never have this, why should PC players?

oMrRust

MaKTaiL wrote: »

Skyshard location add-on is pretty lame IMO. Consoles will never have this, why should PC players?

Why? Cause PC Master Race! lol.
But I am sure there will be addons coming to consoles at some point perhaps. but for consoles, people can just look up on google for screenshots to find the skyshard locations

bloodthirstyvampire

OhAmex wrote: »

MaKTaiL wrote: »

Skyshard location add-on is pretty lame IMO. Consoles will never have this, why should PC players?

Why? Cause PC Master Race! lol.
But I am sure there will be addons coming to consoles at some point perhaps. but for consoles, people can just look up on google for screenshots to find the skyshard locations

More like handicap race

Tommy_The_Gun

"What add ons are border line cheating to you"
Almost every add-on available for ESO used in PvP zone... Add-ons should be auto-disabled in all PvP zones.

Mojmir

What some add-ons ppl consider cheating should have been in the game to begin with. Can't speak for miats,but I'm sure it's a good counter to cheat engine.lol

Beardimus

As a console player i see them all as cheating, and glad we don't have them.

zaria

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

Like I heard of an addon that speeds research up, that there is a cheat code

Thankfully, that cannot be done.

I do want to stress that it is not add-ons that cheat, it is the people who use them that cheat.

I consider use of automation to be cheating. This would be players using the auto fish filet capability of a certain add-on, or the ones that allow you to craft or deconstruct multiple items in a single pass, and are used in that manner. When not used for automation, I don't think the add-on is cheating. I don't think that ZOS considers these to be cheating, no matter how they are used.

I use auto-deconstruct all the time if I am multitasking. Thing is, auto-deconstruct is considerable slower than spamming the action key.

That being said, if something is that widely used and ZOS has no comment on it, I don't consider it cheating. If ZOS said it was cheating and those addon makers should remove the automation, I would abide by the decision. Since these automations are available to everyone on PC and do not clutter the UI, I feel it is on you if you choose to not use them (unless they add considerable instability to the game).

Auto fillet and lazy writ addon is non combat so no impact other than speeding up crafting.
Its also allowed by ZoS as they could easy block it, like its no way to automate combat, just give clues.

Betsararie

None. Stupid argument.

All players have access to the same add ons so can choose which ones they want to use.

DivinityDay

lordrichter wrote: »

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

Like I heard of an addon that speeds research up, that there is a cheat code

Thankfully, that cannot be done.

I do want to stress that it is not add-ons that cheat, it is the people who use them that cheat.

I consider use of automation to be cheating. This would be players using the auto fish filet capability of a certain add-on, or the ones that allow you to craft or deconstruct multiple items in a single pass, and are used in that manner. When not used for automation, I don't think the add-on is cheating. I don't think that ZOS considers these to be cheating, no matter how they are used.

Kk, you go ahead and keep clicking that button while having to wait for that unnecessary animation and voice over to do it's thing in between each glyph.

You go ahead deconstruct the 139 items in your inventory from grinding, farming trials etc one by one.

You go ahead craft that set from white to yellow each piece one by one.

Me? I'll just hit that one button on that add-on that does it for me since I already waste enough time in traffic.

GG

DivinityDay

lordrichter wrote: »

lord.xantam wrote: »

Addons that let you change gear and skills with one button. For pve its fine, but i dont think its healthy for pvp, since you can slot different builds for different oponnents and switch before entering combat.

Yeah, I forgot about those. I think that using them should be bannable.

I use Dressing Room, solely because people like me theory craft builds and DR makes that easy to keep track of.

andreasranasen

PC scrubs

Trashkan

Beardimus wrote: »

As a console player i see them all as cheating, and glad we don't have them.

Or you can just do hours of research to see how much an item cost or swap through all the mules to see who has which weapon. Is it really cheating because you could also jot this stuff down on paper to ya know...

DivinityDay

Malic wrote: »

I recall in beta, Firor or one of the other people at ZOS talking about how they wanted meaningful challenging game play via visual cue's to time your skills. Much like Console had for so long, on PC briefly there were no addons. You couldnt track buffs you had to time it mentally.

So in that spirit all of them are cheating the spirit in which the game was intended to be played but like nearly every MMO company ZOS allowed easier and easier game play for the casuals. To the point where a lot of games, and ESO is heading this way there isnt actually any challenging game play left. Red circles are on the ground so you know to move, you have trackers that tell you when to apply your skills again.

Once the evolve to this point usually the new content is most notable for its graphic beauty, or depth of NPC narratives not combat or skill based game play.

At this point that horse has left the barn, so I would venture to say any addon that gives you the advantage of knowing what someone else is doing in a PVP environment is a cheat. Miat has been mentioned and by my definition his old addon absolutely qualifies but he's still out there which tells you all you need to know. ZOS isnt interested in good game play or reasonably challenging combat/pvp they are interested in maximizing profits.

An addon like the one that was developed prior should have resulted in a perm ban to make sure the integrity of the PVP product was kept balanced and people were held to account. He isnt the first, we used to have a guy that had an addon/script that allowed him to be in perm mist form and still execute skills. That went on for nearly a year.

You now have people that can rez themselves in cyrodiil upon death and no it isnt the set. People have been cheating in ESO since day one, ZOS appears to be apathetic to it so its really moot to discuss at this point.

I have an add-on that tells me the red circle is a red circle...So I move.

Tandor

lordrichter wrote: »

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

Like I heard of an addon that speeds research up, that there is a cheat code

Thankfully, that cannot be done.

I do want to stress that it is not add-ons that cheat, it is the people who use them that cheat.

I consider use of automation to be cheating. This would be players using the auto fish filet capability of a certain add-on, or the ones that allow you to craft or deconstruct multiple items in a single pass, and are used in that manner. When not used for automation, I don't think the add-on is cheating. I don't think that ZOS considers these to be cheating, no matter how they are used.

Not forgetting (in those circumstances) the people who create the addons in the first place, as they are promoting cheating and should be banned.

Tandor

Alucardo wrote: »

There's nothing that speeds research. There are addons that can auto craft potions, but that's a boring task so it's actually a really useful addon. Just set it in motion then go make coffee instead of crafting 400 potions manually..

Such addons sound suspiciously like they would break the TOS in that they permit the game to be progressed while the player is afk.

TARAFRAKA

lordrichter wrote: »

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

Like I heard of an addon that speeds research up, that there is a cheat code

Thankfully, that cannot be done.

I do want to stress that it is not add-ons that cheat, it is the people who use them that cheat.

I consider use of automation to be cheating. This would be players using the auto fish filet capability of a certain add-on, or the ones that allow you to craft or deconstruct multiple items in a single pass, and are used in that manner. When not used for automation, I don't think the add-on is cheating. I don't think that ZOS considers these to be cheating, no matter how they are used.

The addon is called crown research scrolls.

Elsonso

DivinityDay wrote: »

Kk, you go ahead and keep clicking that button while having to wait for that unnecessary animation and voice over to do it's thing in between each glyph.

You go ahead deconstruct the 139 items in your inventory from grinding, farming trials etc one by one.

You go ahead craft that set from white to yellow each piece one by one.

GG

You might mean this as an insult, of sorts, but yeah, that is how I see that the game is designed to be played, and that is how I do it. Shrug.

IronCrystal

All I see are salty console players

Luigi_Vampa

IronCrystal wrote: »

All I see are salty console players

I agree. I've played on PC and console. The lack of quality of life addons doesn't make the game better, it just makes it frustrating. There should be multi-craft addons auto-decon addons built into the game. Nobody wants to sit there and craft potions, food etc manually. This isn't challenging or fun or interesting gameplay. It is boring, repetitive and unnecessary. Most of these addons just make it so you can easily handle the maintenance tasks of this game and get back to doing something fun.... which is what a game is supposed to be about.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Tandor wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

There's nothing that speeds research. There are addons that can auto craft potions, but that's a boring task so it's actually a really useful addon. Just set it in motion then go make coffee instead of crafting 400 potions manually..

Such addons sound suspiciously like they would break the TOS in that they permit the game to be progressed while the player is afk.

They also sound suspiciously like the addon creator has played an MMO before, while ZOS still fumbles in the dark at times.

Hempyre

I see a lot of people complaining about Miat's addon.

In it's previous version it may have provided more information than it should have, but keep in mind that was due entirely to what information Zos allowed. It no longer does any of the things that people assume it still does.

He could have easily kept it to himself rather than release it and give everyone a level playing field. He exposed a significant flaw in Zos's code. As a direct result of this addon being released Zos was forced to make changes. Changes they never would have made otherwise.

I would wager his was not the only one out there...

Like it or not, Miat releasing this addon did us all a favor.

As far as attack notifications etc... Combat Cloud provides vastly superior notifications on when to block or break free than Miat's addon currently does.

Just sayin'...

Gilvoth

What add ons are border line cheating to you?

to me? all of them.
i see zero reason to have add-ons in an mmo other than simply to have access to thier database.
i know for a fact people do manipulate things that are not intended to be touched.
the only reason eso devs have allowed it is because other mmo's have them allowed and if they refuse it in eso then people might not be as inclined to play and sub to eso.
in the end it is allways the same, it's about money and access to thier codes = cheating access.

Bombashaman

None. Use them as much as you want, don't affect me.

I use many addons as they raise the "quality of life" of the game. More user friendly researching, trading in kiosks, potionmaking, inventory management (move all, junk handler) etc. Addons that just save time when not fighting.

zaria

DivinityDay wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

lord.xantam wrote: »

Addons that let you change gear and skills with one button. For pve its fine, but i dont think its healthy for pvp, since you can slot different builds for different oponnents and switch before entering combat.

Yeah, I forgot about those. I think that using them should be bannable.

I use Dressing Room, solely because people like me theory craft builds and DR makes that easy to keep track of.

You can also have one setup for healing, DD and questing.
As OP says it can also be used for testing and roll back or specific settings.
ZoS could easy add an cool-down to change skills, preferable only in PvP areas.

zaria

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

What add ons are border line cheating to you?

to me? all of them.
i see zero reason to have add-ons in an mmo other than simply to have access to thier database.
i know for a fact people do manipulate things that are not intended to be touched.
the only reason eso devs have allowed it is because other mmo's have them allowed and if they refuse it in eso then people might not be as inclined to play and sub to eso.
in the end it is allways the same, it's about money and access to thier codes = cheating access.

In ESO the dev restricted gui stuff because of Skyrim players wanted an clean interface, Has you seen WOW raids.

Arthg

Hempyre wrote: »

I see a lot of people complaining about Miat's addon.

In it's previous version it may have provided more information than it should have, but keep in mind that was due entirely to what information Zos allowed. It no longer does any of the things that people assume it still does.

He could have easily kept it to himself rather than release it and give everyone a level playing field. He exposed a significant flaw in Zos's code. As a direct result of this addon being released Zos was forced to make changes. Changes they never would have made otherwise.

I would wager his was not the only one out there...

Like it or not, Miat releasing this addon did us all a favor.

As far as attack notifications etc... Combat Cloud provides vastly superior notifications on when to block or break free than Miat's addon currently does.

Just sayin'...

Well I "complained" about Miat's addon the way I would complain about the weather.
Nothing I can do about it and at the end of the day, as you hinted, it's all the rain-makers' (the devs') fault.

Maybe they should stop to think about what the game's become for, like, 60% of the Cyrodiil population, i.e.for all the procroaches out there: basically, mash two buttons until a beast and some poison come out of your armour, and when a message pops on your screen, do what it tells you - break free, dodge or what not.

I'm asking again, where the feck is the fun in all this, I haven't got a clue (I for one love improving my situational awareness), but what incenses me is this: new players that don't know about these combat addons are definitely not on a level playing field (if I were an idealist I would encourage veteran players not to use combat addons out of respect for newbies), and I really don't understand why ZOS doesn't just prohibit them all once and for all so that everybody's UI in combat is the same.

Wolfenbelle

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

Like I heard of an addon that speeds research up, that there is a cheat code

Good heavens!!! You can buy convenience items in the crown store that speed up research. No need for any cheat or exploit.

Nyghthowler

Iselin wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

I can just imagine someone at their keyboard right now trying to do that... the same guy who just tried setting their computer date ahead by 28 days and checked to see if his research was done

This deserves an LMAO!
In a good way.