After Dragon Knight, what do you feel is the second best class for tanking? Third best?

jlmurra2

I have seen much feedback, and it seems that the Dragon Knight is the optimal class for tank build characters by popular opinion/voting/math. So I want to know what everyone feels is the second best class for tanks? Third best?

Turelus

Personally I have always considered it the Templar just because they have a lot of skill to keep themselves alive.

I've played Nightblade tank in the past and it was a lot of fun because of the way you kept yourself alive, however I am sure that's changed now.

Liofa

Warden

Apherius

I have played Sorc tank , now the pet can no longer tank , our dark deal have a longer cast time ... we don't have any useful passif to tank , and we have only 3 useful skill :

• Dark deal
• restraining prison =less powerful version of chocking talon.
• Boundless storm = hardened armor .
  

Yeah ... so i think the warden is the second .

jlmurra2

Turelus wrote: »

Personally I have always considered it the Templar just because they have a lot of skill to keep themselves alive.

I've played Nightblade tank in the past and it was a lot of fun because of the way you kept yourself alive, however I am sure that's changed now.

I've heard Sap tanks were fun, and I like the idea of a Templar build.

Liofa wrote: »

Warden

Apherius wrote: »

I have played Sorc tank , now the pet can no longer tank , our dark deal have a longer cast time ... we don't have any useful passif to tank , and we have only 3 useful skill :

• Dark deal
• restraining prison =less powerful version of chocking talon.
• Boundless storm = hardened armor .
  

Yeah ... so i think the warden is the second .

This is what I was thinking too. My first tank is a Dragon Knight, and now I am working on a Warden.

Sordidfairytale

I played a hybrid sorc tank. Hybrid meaning Stam and Magicka resources. I enjoyed it and really had no complaints. I've not played a Warden tank though, but I do see the benefits of them. I would agree that they are the second, if not the best Tank class now.

Asardes

I've also played my sorcerer as tank, and actually managed to finish all 4 man dungeons veteran HM with this setup. I wasn't using a pet but I was constantly shielding myself, and keeping myself healed from surge, keeping lightning blockade up constantly, and interrupting some enemies either with bashing or frags. I ran with a full magicka setup, so I had very little stamina for blocking and bashing, meaning that I had to use it very sparingly. I wouldn't bring that setup in trials or vDSA though because it wouldn't stand a chance.

Nightblade has nothing special, besides a passive that allows it to achieve the major resistance buffs by using certain skills and a skill that gives minor resistance buffs and evasion. With the nerf to the siphoning skills it's pretty hard to recover stamina while blocking. So it's clearly not a good option for end game tanking.

Templar used to be fairly good, but repentance has been nerfed hard. Now only the passive that increases blocking mitigation for melee damage and a shield that scales off health and costs magicka recommend it for tanking, though the shield has been nerfed and it only benefits the caster, as opposed to the DK one.

Warden is interresting as tank, has various buffs, heals and CCs that work well to fill that role. Also has a skill that gives back stamina over time, but that has a cast time and should be used carefully. It doesn't provide a group shield, but it gives major resistance buffs to those around (minor ones are provided by the healer with combat prayer). It has a single target skills that pulls the target and an AoE snare that is weaker than DK one. The burst heal that scales of health is also weaker. Overall Warden is second best as tank, and I would say by a large margin. It can work well as off-tank in trials or healer-tank in 4 man content, since it provides different buffs from the DK ones.

As I said, the other classes are far behind, and shouldn't even be considered for tanking end game content.

Coilbox

I have both a DK and a Warden tanks...

The DK has really powerful CC skills, good supporting ones too, and sustain is good.
Warden has an amazing survivability, it's just... very VERY hard to kill if you run an argonian warden tank. Sustain is awesome too. Maybe it lacks a bit of CC but healing is amazing as well.

To be honest, im not sure which one is better, i guess it deppends on the situation. I enjoy playing both classes very much, and very rarely I die with any of them.

DRXHarbinger

Stamina Nightblade tank using siphoning attacks for magika return and not stamina return. Consuming darkness and minor main makes you pretty unkillable to a lot of bosses, Class passives are well suited for heavy armor, great thing is having Double Take / Mirage costing magika over Shuffle being stamina, Ult regen is pretty good with 20 points per potion, Soul Harvest front bar and any trash that's killed gives you 10 ultimate, Ani cancel drain essence and Warhorn galore.

Sap tanks drop like flies, they just spam spam and spam it and oh no out of magika I'm dead.

paulsimonps

Wardens are close seconds, some say they are far behind but I don't think so. People have already main tanked vMoL and vHoF with a Warden. I think they are really strong tanks and are with out a doubt 2nd best tank and 1st best off tank, for its support potential.

Wardens have similar CC's as the DK all be it a bit weaker in PvE Scenarios. Grippling Shards is basically Choking Talons but with the minor main only being a proc chance and not 100% chance. And Frozen Gate is Unrelenting Grip but slower, though it does have longer range. And morph it right and it can get some really good debuff on the trash with Major Maim. They do have an absorb skill that works really good against Rakkath, last boss of vMoL. It absorbs the damage, much like the One handed and shield ability, but when it does so it can, if morphed right, give Major Heroism giving you a lot of ultimate back.

Wardens do have the added bonus that they can give Major Ward and Resolve to 5 of their allies when they do it to themselves and they have easy access to Minor Protection with one of the morphs of that ability. They also got good return of stamina in the form of the netch, some would say its meh but it does add a lot if you go enough into block cost and use all heavy armor. The Warden also has great self heals since it has a healing skill line, now obviously so do the Templars, but the templars are missing basically everything else listed above, with the exception of easy access to minor protection.
Their Max HP heal though is their more powerful self heal and the fact that it has a HoT component is the key to that, as well that it scales of the max HP. Makes wardens really hard to bring down.

Gear wise they can make for some good ulti gen builds considering they are the only class that have access to minor Evasion, not a big deal in and out of it self since its just 5% but combined with the 15% of Major Evasion and Tava's Favor and you can see that the Wardens can make the most out of that specific set. They also have an ulti gen passive much like the DKs and Templars. So combine what we said earlier about Major Heroism and they can pop out warhorns really well on certain fights.

3rd best class for tanking I would say are probably the Nightblades, they have great self sustaining passives and self heals that can also heal others, sadly they lack much in terms of CC and other forms of support. They do have access to a Major Evasion that costs magicka and if morphed right, both Minor Ward and Resolve with out the need for a healer, though sorcs have that too. I think the pro Nightblade tank users can tell you more about the pros of a Nightblade since I spent most of this talking about the Warden

subtlezeroub17_ESO

Tanking rankings are:

Dragon knight
Wardens
Templars
Sorcerer
Night blades

Healers:

Templars
Wardens
Night blades
Sorcerers

Magic dps:

Sorcerers
Dragon knights
Templars
Night blades
Wardens

Stam dps:

Dragon knights
Wardens + bow Wardens (surprisingly enough)
Sorcerers
Night blades
Templars

SoLooney

All other classes can tank, however, if I were to be doing vet trials and even some vet dungeons, I want a DK tank. Everytime I see other classes tank, they have damage mitigation problems, QQing for shards and heals all the time because they cannot manage resources as well as a DK.

So sure, if you want to do low level content, roll a tank with any class, but DKs are number 1 tanks for a reason. Every other class I seen tank in vet trials, always die, just a waste of time.

Same could be said about templars with healing. Yet to see moves as good as BoL, shards, repentence all on 1 class

paulsimonps

SoLooney wrote: »

All other classes can tank, however, if I were to be doing vet trials and even some vet dungeons, I want a DK tank. Everytime I see other classes tank, they have damage mitigation problems, QQing for shards and heals all the time because they cannot manage resources as well as a DK.

So sure, if you want to do low level content, roll a tank with any class, but DKs are number 1 tanks for a reason. Every other class I seen tank in vet trials, always die, just a waste of time.

Same could be said about templars with healing. Yet to see moves as good as BoL, shards, repentence all on 1 class

BoL isnt used heavily in Trials, Shards is only good for giving out stuff to Tanks, Orbs are better and faster to give to multiple DPS's and Repentance is dead if you haven't noticed already.

And if you come across Wardens that die easily then its a L2P issue, I have never had trouble surviving or sustaining with my Warden.

Apherius

subtlezeroub17_ESO wrote: »

Tanking rankings are:

Dragon knight
Wardens
Templars
Sorcerer
Night blades

Healers:

Templars
Wardens
Night blades
Sorcerers
Dragon Knights

Magic dps:

Sorcerers
Dragon knights
Templars
Night blades
Wardens

Stam dps:

Dragon knights
Wardens + bow Wardens (surprisingly enough)
Sorcerers
Night blades
Templars

I wanted to do this .

Destyran

subtlezeroub17_ESO wrote: »

Tanking rankings are:

Dragon knight
Wardens
Templars
Sorcerer
Night blades

Healers:

Templars
Wardens
Night blades
Sorcerers

Magic dps:

Sorcerers
Dragon knights
Templars
Night blades
Wardens

Stam dps:

Dragon knights
Wardens + bow Wardens (surprisingly enough)
Sorcerers
Night blades
Templars

This list is a bit wrong

SoLooney

paulsimonps wrote: »

SoLooney wrote: »

All other classes can tank, however, if I were to be doing vet trials and even some vet dungeons, I want a DK tank. Everytime I see other classes tank, they have damage mitigation problems, QQing for shards and heals all the time because they cannot manage resources as well as a DK.

So sure, if you want to do low level content, roll a tank with any class, but DKs are number 1 tanks for a reason. Every other class I seen tank in vet trials, always die, just a waste of time.

Same could be said about templars with healing. Yet to see moves as good as BoL, shards, repentence all on 1 class

BoL isnt used heavily in Trials, Shards is only good for giving out stuff to Tanks, Orbs are better and faster to give to multiple DPS's and Repentance is dead if you haven't noticed already.

And if you come across Wardens that die easily then its a L2P issue, I have never had trouble surviving or sustaining with my Warden.

BoL is an emergency heal and it is the best, yea, it isnt used much but what class can have huge burst heal lile BoL?

when I was stating the templar support, what class has support as good as a templar? maybe a warden but its still inferior to a templar and inferior to a dk in tanking.

Everytime I have to heal a warden tank, they have issues I usually dont have to deal with a dk. maybe youre fine, shrugs

Oreyn_Bearclaw

1. DK 2. Warden 3. Depends on what you want to do.

If your goal is straight tanking, then NB is probably my choice for 3rd place as they will have the best resource management. If your goal is to speed run dungeons, then a light armor shield stacking sorc with a taunt is technically a pretty solid tank. I am also a big fan of Templars than can heal/tank and allow for 3 dps, but they are few and far between.

RouDeR

Healthwarden outperforms DK tanks in pvp(no cp primary) , better healing and can put pressure cuz of the 2 skills that are scaling from MaX HP.

Masel

Destyran wrote: »

subtlezeroub17_ESO wrote: »

Tanking rankings are:

Dragon knight
Wardens
Templars
Sorcerer
Night blades

Healers:

Templars
Wardens
Night blades
Sorcerers

Magic dps:

Sorcerers
Dragon knights
Templars
Night blades
Wardens

Stam dps:

Dragon knights
Wardens + bow Wardens (surprisingly enough)
Sorcerers
Night blades
Templars

This list is a bit wrong

Yup, definetely wrong. Stam dps wise nightblades might be at the top spot.

Nightblade tanks are also very very nice. Not as good as prior to morrowind, but still good.

Seriously where do you Base that on? For example what tells you that templars are better magic damage dealers than nbs?

You can't blatantly say that one class out-dpses another, there's a lot to factor in.