Zenimax Gets Nerevarine Wrong

Kharnis

Enodoc wrote: »

Kharnis wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

@Enodoc do you have any insight about this?

Not really, other than that I agree. When I first heard "Narie-vairine" I was thinking, what the hell? 'Languages change' is a reasonable argument, except when you consider that Nerevarine is literally named after Nerevar. That's Nerevar, not Nerevair.

N'wah is rather irritating too. If it was supposed to be nwah, it would be spelt nwah, not n'wah.

But Rosveen is right, they're not going to re-record the dialogue. At least not until they get the VAs in for the next DLC.

As per Lawrence Schick, it's pronounced "nwah," similar to (horribly mis-)pronouncing "noir" in French. If it was supposed to be pronounced "enwah," it would have been spelt "enwah," since the game text is written in English.

So what does the apostrophe accomplish?

Well, usually an apostrophe is used in one of three situations: to show possession, to replace a consonant when imitating an accent (like writing 'ave instead of have), or to replace a vowel or consonant in a contracted word (such as can't or fo'c's'le), or to indicate unique pronunciations of foreign words such as a slight and subtle pause.

So, why is "n'wah" spelt the way it is? I suspect, from looking at all the reasons an apostrophe is used, the answer is probably "a writer looked at the word, thought it looked exotic and foreign, and thus satisfied the Rule of Cool for the time." There really is no reason for the apostrophe at all.

Iccotak

Admit it we want the Dark Elves to have that rough ashen voice again.
Maybe they should bring back that guy who played Juib

grizzledcroc

Also whos the say the ' even follows real world rules on grammer. Again this seems to come down to the new official way of saying it :V

WatchYourSixx

I'm not sure I understand what your complaining about OP. The video you posted of Morrowind they pronounce it the exact same way...

asuitandtyb14_ESO

Iccotak wrote: »

Admit it we want the Dark Elves to have that rough ashen voice again.
Maybe they should bring back that guy who played Juib

It's true, it is the iconic voice of the Dunmer.

asuitandtyb14_ESO

WatchYourSixx wrote: »

I'm not sure I understand what your complaining about OP. The video you posted of Morrowind they pronounce it the exact same way...

Okay you, did you actually watch the video? Listen to Azura, a daedric prince unaffected by mortals, or even the relevance of time, say it in Morrowind at 0:44

https://youtu.be/2xDxkJsykKQ?t=44s


Listen to that same Daedric prince in ESO at 20:43

https://youtu.be/EAE8V8R9gBg?t=20m43s

This is even the most forgiving attempt at saying it correctly. Whoever voiced Azura in ESO at least kind of tried to get it right.

psychotrip

asuitandtyb14_ESO wrote: »

Ankael07 wrote: »

its almost a thousand years before TES III so theres bound to be some accent difference back then.

No, it's 700 years, Dunmer lifespans are 300 years, and this prophecy is as old as the Chimer. So no. I'm sick of that f'n excuse. You people need to stop enabling these lazy errors.

And there is a difference between accents and pronouncing something wrong.

Jesus, this is cathartic. While I haven't heard anyone say Nerevarine yet, I too think it's time to push back on all these convenient explanations for ZOS' mistakes. I honestly don't see this in a vaccuum as much of an issue, but it's indicative of a larger problem. I wouldn't have put it so...bluntly, but this is a growing problem within the ES community on the whole.

Everything is metaphor or different interpretations, everything was just exaggerated so of course it's not as bizarre when we finally see it. Everything has some timey-wimey deeplore explanation that makes it all fit together rather than a simple mistake or retcon. I'm sorry guys, but sometimes The Imperial City is just facing the wrong way. Sometimes Auridon is just more boring than previous descriptions of Summerset. Sometimes Cropsford just shouldn't exist yet because it was built in part by the player in Oblivion. Not everything is part of the master plan.

Edit: Oh GOD I just heard it in the video you posted. I take back everything I said about this not being a big deal. RIOT! BURN! MAIM! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

*Ahem*

What I mean to say is, yeah that's a pretty glaring and hilarious mistake to make. Not even close to the worst mistake ZOS has made so I understand why many don't see the issue, but it's very glaring. Again, please stop with the head canon. Every explanation you guys are making up is far more creative than what Zenimax did. They just made a mistake guys...it won't destroy the game if you admit it.

lagrue

Skcarkden wrote: »

thomas1970b16_ESO wrote: »

Yeah a lot can happen to language in 700 years.

On Earth yes. How many times has your accent changed in your lifetime? How many times have you changed how you pronounce words? On Earth we have Americans pronouncing the letter 'Z' differently to how the British or Australians say it. (although sadly the annoying lazy sounding american version is taking over) but in ESO, it's a complete annihilation of the pronunciation of the word it's all one way in a universe of beings with long lifespans who for some reason change more drastically in how they speak or sound than reality?

If anything, dialect shifts should occur much slower in a world where they live longer because the changes occur with each new generation.

Actually if you live among another culture your accent can change in mere months. I don't know if that applies here, like at all - but it doesn't takes a prolongued period of time IRL to pick up a new accent. The only exception would be people who speak an entirely different language - e.g. French speaking people will always be resigned to a french accent in English - whereas if an English speaking American went to live in the UK for a couple months its very plausible to pick up their accent as it's the same language and you get drilled with it day in and day out - I've seen the phenomena several times in real life - where family or friends go abroad and come back retaining the accent for quite a while until they phase back into the old one.

Also ZEE and ZED isn't a matter of accent - they're flat our different ways of saying the same thing. Both are pronounced exactly the same when used in words - just the name of the letter is different.