Zenimax Gets Nerevarine Wrong

asuitandtyb14_ESO

As I've been going along with the Morrowind quests, I've been trying to ignore this problem. It's getting really hard to, and I'm getting more and more annoyed every time I hear someone say Nerevarine in ESO. The pronunciation has always been "Nare-Uh-Va-Reen", but everyone in Morrowind says "Nare-Uh-Vare-Ee-Un", which can be heard here https://youtu.be/2xDxkJsykKQ?t=42s

Seeing as how this is one of the most important things about Dunmer culture, it's pretty annoying that they just go about it so wrong, so often in this game. Anyone else get annoyed by this? WHY ZENIMAX, WHY?!

Before you reply, if you're going to defend this with the "it's been 700 years argument" just stop now. I've heard it, I've considered it, it doesn't fly.

Aliyavana

I hate the npcs that pronounce n'wah like nah'wah instead of ennn'wah

asuitandtyb14_ESO

aliyavana wrote: »

I hate the npcs that pronounce n'wah like nah'wah instead of ennn'wah

Yes, good point.

LMar

And Gnisis is Gnee-sees (like Knee And Sees). Not Nice-is

nimander99

I KNEW IT!

Its been bugging the snip outta me too!

Ankael07

its almost a thousand years before TES III so theres bound to be some accent difference back then.

asuitandtyb14_ESO

Ankael07 wrote: »

its almost a thousand years before TES III so theres bound to be some accent difference back then.

No, it's 700 years, Dunmer lifespans are 300 years, and this prophecy is as old as the Chimer. So no. I'm sick of that f'n excuse. You people need to stop enabling these lazy errors.

And there is a difference between accents and pronouncing something wrong.

ArchMikem

(ner-uh-vah-reen), (ner-uh-vare-een). I dunno, this sounds like just another Po-tay-to, Po-tah-to thing.

thomas1970b16_ESO

Yeah a lot can happen to language in 700 years.

asuitandtyb14_ESO

ArchMikem wrote: »

(ner-uh-vah-reen), (ner-uh-vare-een). I dunno, this sounds like just another Po-tay-to, Po-tah-to thing.

Sure if it was one or two npc's. It's not, it's all of them. The actual pronunciation is nowhere to be heard side by side with other pronunciations, it's just straight up gone.

grim_tactics

Yeah, the Nerevarine and N'wah really irritated me.

Why did they feel the need to change it? Not that it matters, but come on ZOS - that part of the lore and language didn't need to be changed regardless what some old dude with a beard says.

asuitandtyb14_ESO

thomas1970b16_ESO wrote: »

Yeah a lot can happen to language in 700 years.

No.

thomas1970b16_ESO wrote: »

Yeah a lot can happen to language in 700 years.

asuitandtyb14_ESO wrote: »

Ankael07 wrote: »

its almost a thousand years before TES III so theres bound to be some accent difference back then.

No, it's 700 years, Dunmer lifespans are 300 years, and this prophecy is as old as the Chimer. So no. I'm sick of that f'n excuse. You people need to stop enabling these lazy errors.

And there is a difference between accents and pronouncing something wrong.

Just gonna re-quote that for you because you clearly weren't reading the replies.

Skcarkden

They are so stoopid.

Izaki

asuitandtyb14_ESO wrote: »

thomas1970b16_ESO wrote: »

Yeah a lot can happen to language in 700 years.

No.

thomas1970b16_ESO wrote: »

Yeah a lot can happen to language in 700 years.

Lol

Skcarkden

thomas1970b16_ESO wrote: »

Yeah a lot can happen to language in 700 years.

On Earth yes. How many times has your accent changed in your lifetime? How many times have you changed how you pronounce words? On Earth we have Americans pronouncing the letter 'Z' differently to how the British or Australians say it. (although sadly the annoying lazy sounding american version is taking over) but in ESO, it's a complete annihilation of the pronunciation of the word it's all one way in a universe of beings with long lifespans who for some reason change more drastically in how they speak or sound than reality?

If anything, dialect shifts should occur much slower in a world where they live longer because the changes occur with each new generation.

Berret

What bothered me the most is the random "Old English" speak that we get sometimes, just sounds so out of place.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

And here I was thinking I'd just mis-remembered how it was pronounced...

Danika

This is why this Forum exists... so people can and will b!tch about anything...

Skcarkden

Berret wrote: »

What bothered me the most is the random "Old English" speak that we get sometimes, just sounds so out of place.

Ikr you'd think they'd have voice actors of the same style of language for each race etc.. When one Orc pronounces Lieutenant as Left-tenant and all the rest say it as Loo-tenant it makes you cringe.

asuitandtyb14_ESO

Danika wrote: »

This is why this Forum exists... so people can and will b!tch about anything...

I will hold products I pay for accountable to a certain expected standard of quality and authenticity, if that's what you mean. Anything productive to add n'wah?

asuitandtyb14_ESO

Skcarkden wrote: »

Berret wrote: »

What bothered me the most is the random "Old English" speak that we get sometimes, just sounds so out of place.

Ikr you'd think they'd have voice actors of the same style of language for each race etc.. When one Orc pronounces Lieutenant as Left-tenant and all the rest say it as Loo-tenant it makes you cringe.

They simply chose bad voice actors for the Orsimer. Half of them are pseudo-British sounding, as if that wasn't prevalent enough in this game.

yodased

Pitchforks 1$
Torches 2$

Recremen

As if the voice actors in the first game were infallible and the modern ones are messing it up. I don't think there's a strict pronunciation for any of these things, more like guidelines. I mean did you hear how Azura said "Dwemer"?

grim_tactics

asuitandtyb14_ESO wrote: »

Danika wrote: »

This is why this Forum exists... so people can and will b!tch about anything...

I will hold products I pay for accountable to a certain expected standard of quality and authenticity, if that's what you mean. Anything productive to add n'wah?

This ^

Danika

asuitandtyb14_ESO wrote: »

Danika wrote: »

This is why this Forum exists... so people can and will b!tch about anything...

I will hold products I pay for accountable to a certain expected standard of quality and authenticity, if that's what you mean. Anything productive to add n'wah?

That is what I meant...

I really never have anything productive to add... I am really good at that!

asuitandtyb14_ESO

Recremen wrote: »

As if the voice actors in the first game were infallible and the modern ones are messing it up. I don't think there's a strict pronunciation for any of these things, more like guidelines. I mean did you hear how Azura said "Dwemer"?

Infallible? No...? Maybe, I don't know really, not relevant. The "modern ones messing it up"? Yes, but I don't blame them. Ultimately it's the producers at zenimax who should be on this stuff. " I don't think there's a strict pronunciation for any of these things, more like guidelines", well I completely disagree with that, I think being called what you're supposed to be called is kind of important, but hey if that means I can you Captain Billy Bob than sweet.

Danika

wow...

Recremen

asuitandtyb14_ESO wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

As if the voice actors in the first game were infallible and the modern ones are messing it up. I don't think there's a strict pronunciation for any of these things, more like guidelines. I mean did you hear how Azura said "Dwemer"?

Infallible? No...? Maybe, I don't know really, not relevant. The "modern ones messing it up"? Yes, but I don't blame them. Ultimately it's the producers at zenimax who should be on this stuff. " I don't think there's a strict pronunciation for any of these things, more like guidelines", well I completely disagree with that, I think being called what you're supposed to be called is kind of important, but hey if that means I can you Captain Billy Bob than sweet.

I'm just suggesting that the "original" pronunciations are not even necessarily how it was intended to be pronounced. Like "n'wah" sounds way better in the modern pronunciation by all the voice actors than "enwah" like how it used to be pronounced (you know, by all two voice actors for Dunmer in TES3). It doesn't even make sense linguistically to pronounce it the old way. It's more likely that they did it wrong in TES3 due to budget and time constraints than now, when they have a whole team behind it and at least 8 male and 8 female voice actors for each race.

EDIT: that said, I don't personally like how "Gnisis" and "Ald-Ruhn" are pronounced, but then again I never really liked the way "Cyrodiil" was pronounced either. And also those are personal preferences as opposed to being the hard law of the creative team.

ShedsHisTail

700 years between the two games.
Languages evolve.

Tavore1138

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

700 years between the two games.
Languages evolve.

Not so much when the people involved live for hundreds even thousands of years - stop with your short lifed human racism!

starkerealm

No one else is bothered by the pronunciation change to Balmora? Especially since there are NPCs in the game that use the correct pronunciation?