Whelp... this will be my last Crown Crate Season.

Ch4mpTW

Myyth wrote: »

Pacrooti is my main man. Homie has the hook-ups, and has never done me wrong.

disintegr8

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

To all the negative commenters. Why bother? Do you get some good feeling about being a troll? Do you feel like a big man now because you're not. It comes off as being an ass, your bigger epeen is only in your own head. Your life must be ultra boring to have to resort to this to make you feel better about yourself.

It also never occurs to them that a lot of people buy the crates with their subscription crowns. I guess they'll be returning every three months to jeer at people who buy the crates, no matter what. They probably bully people in the game, too.

No, it is because people choose to do something they don't have to do and come here complaining about the outcome. Of course it is going to invite comments some people don't like.

Want to complain about the drop rate of tempers when refining raw mats, fine because you need the tempers to improve items to gold. Want to complain about people leaving nodes/flowers/crates/sacks half full with the rubbish being left behind for the next person, fine because you need items/ingredients for weapons/armour/food/potions etc.

But complain about 200+ runs in vMA without getting the weapon you want but don't need or buying crown crates hoping for the mount you want but don't need is going to invite unwelcome comments.

flizomica

7/15 crates I got the nix hound.

There's a lot of cool stuff in the crates but I don't think I'll be buying any more. It's just silly.

Morgul667

Interesting

Akevoriath

You deserve it for supporting such a blatant cash grab. Maybe in the future you think before you act.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

disintegr8 wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

To all the negative commenters. Why bother? Do you get some good feeling about being a troll? Do you feel like a big man now because you're not. It comes off as being an ass, your bigger epeen is only in your own head. Your life must be ultra boring to have to resort to this to make you feel better about yourself.

It also never occurs to them that a lot of people buy the crates with their subscription crowns. I guess they'll be returning every three months to jeer at people who buy the crates, no matter what. They probably bully people in the game, too.

No, it is because people choose to do something they don't have to do and come here complaining about the outcome. Of course it is going to invite comments some people don't like.

Want to complain about the drop rate of tempers when refining raw mats, fine because you need the tempers to improve items to gold....

But complain about 200+ runs in vMA without getting the weapon you want but don't need... is going to invite unwelcome comments.

You know those are basically the same thing, right?

Vapirko

Here's an idea, don't buy into the bs. This is gambling nothing more, nothing less. The well known saying, "the house always wins," holds true here as well. It's supposedly random so unless you can prove that ZOS is cheating you've got no case because randomness let's you get the same thing over and over near indefinitely.

Morgul667

Got really bad RNG :-/ Nothing worth of my money

lagrue

Vapirko wrote: »

Here's an idea, don't buy into the bs. This is gambling nothing more, nothing less. The well known saying, "the house always wins," holds true here as well. It's supposedly random so unless you can prove that ZOS is cheating you've got no case because randomness let's you get the same thing over and over near indefinitely.

Yeah it's totally random that it's happening to most other people too. So random. One look at the forums today makes it pretty clear it isn't random. The one item is weighted beyond reason.

Cpt_Teemo

flizomica wrote: »

7/15 crates I got the nix hound.

There's a lot of cool stuff in the crates but I don't think I'll be buying any more. It's just silly.

Exactly, and pretty soon they'll have direct sales of all the rare stuff once people stop buying crates just like Swtor's CM

Nemesis7884

there is a reason china has introduced a law about this...becuase in the end it's just scaming customers let's face it

Pwnyridah

Its random but items are weighted (this is why they have tiered rewards). You could get 5 apex mounts in 40 crates (insane luck in my experience since the beginning). Or you could spend 45 crates to get one (happened to me on my wifes account for spriggan whereas i got mine in 15).

Point is, it's a gamble and you pay to gamble. If you don't like the odds, that's your right to quit and the more that do may change their market strategy.

lagrue

Pwnyridah wrote: »

Its random but items are weighted (this is why they have tiered rewards). You could get 5 apex mounts in 40 crates (insane luck in my experience since the beginning). Or you could spend 45 crates to get one (happened to me on my wifes account for spriggan whereas i got mine in 15).

Point is, it's a gamble and you pay to gamble. If you don't like the odds, that's your right to quit and the more that do may change their market strategy.

It's obvious items are weighted to begin with - nobody here I don't think, is expecting all items to drop the same - but this one item in particular is weighted even more than other items of the same tier... just take a look around the forums. This isn't random or an isolated case - there is clearly something wrong here.

JimT722

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I think I mentioned something about this strategy a year ago before the crates launched . Slowly lowering the drop rate of apex rewards has been reported in all games with lottery boxes .

This is the problem. They don't tell you the drop rates and can lower them as time goes on. It wouldn't surprise me if they lower it much more and have text flash on your screen everytime someone gets one of the exclusive no gem crate mounts making people think they are very common. Way things are going it isn't much of a leap. Other games do it with their rng boxes and ZOS pretty much does what most f2p games do.

JimT722

cynaes wrote: »

I came to the forums because I had exactly the same feeling OP had. I opened crown crates for 10k and there were some rewards that I got more than just a fair amount of time (especially the Nyx Hound, but e.g. also the Dwemervamidium Mirage, which I got a total of 4 times!). It does feel like either probabilities are mixed up or intentionally worse than in prior seasons. I'm not saying that I'm stopping right now, but if it stays like that, I will soon.

As others have said - sadly this happened to other games with a lottery system, too. SWTOR is a perfect example. The lottery system used in the "crown crates" made me quit the game in the end.

Yeah it's a shame what happened to SWTOR. I left that game for this one. Here we are again.

Cpt_Teemo

JimT722 wrote: »

cynaes wrote: »

I came to the forums because I had exactly the same feeling OP had. I opened crown crates for 10k and there were some rewards that I got more than just a fair amount of time (especially the Nyx Hound, but e.g. also the Dwemervamidium Mirage, which I got a total of 4 times!). It does feel like either probabilities are mixed up or intentionally worse than in prior seasons. I'm not saying that I'm stopping right now, but if it stays like that, I will soon.

As others have said - sadly this happened to other games with a lottery system, too. SWTOR is a perfect example. The lottery system used in the "crown crates" made me quit the game in the end.

Yeah it's a shame what happened to SWTOR. I left that game for this one. Here we are again.

And now Swtor is direct selling all the most wanted and demanding items now as direct sales, so just wait it out and it'll probably happen here too

waponiwoo

This seasons drops set up is mich worse. I did 30 half off crates from what i had left from the last crown sale, and i still feel burned. It seems like the worst things from each tier are rigged to repeatedly drop so u have to crown buy everything you want. 30 crates was basically for a vvardvark and about 150 gems....

The sweet spot is to have a ton of cool things, so u want several of them. Then have drop rate and costs were u are getting cool stuff for the money, but u would have to pay a lot to get every last cool thing u want.

Wild hunt was close to optimal, and that made me buy more. I wanted costumes, a couple mounts, etc., even the statue was cool and i dont care about houses. every couple draws i got something interesting, and it seemed like about 20 draws for an apex.

This crap is rediculous. I am so turned off from buying any more this round and future rounds. Even if there is cool stuff next time it felt like such a cheat that i just cant do it. And that was at half price! i hope the numbers this round dont turn out for this practice to be optimal. And if it does they arent factoring in the burned customers.

Enslaved

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Myyth wrote: »

Pacrooti is my main man. Homie has the hook-ups, and has never done me wrong.

And if u need a nix hound or 12, he knows just a right Dunmer dude.

jmferris

My wife and I both opened thirty crates today. She got the same Apex twice, a lesser mount, a motif, and two pets. I got two different Apex mounts, two lesser mounts, two motifs, and four pets. The Nix-Hound was dominant, in terms of duplicates for both her and myself - although I had a considerably more blessed day from RNGesus, all considering. I extract gems from just about everything, apart from riding lessons and crafting scrolls, while she keeps more of what she gets. In the end, I had enough between last season and today to pick and choose the rest of what I wanted. Last season, however, was much, much worse for me. In total, probably did about sixty crates, and had not a single Apex and more Banekin duplicates than I care to count.

Funniest bit for me today, however, was that I actually got two pets in the same four-card hand. Yes, two Nix-Hounds in one four card hand. Considering that I was having a better run than normal, I was able to laugh at it, at least. In thirty crates, though, I got an extra card nine times - my wife, only twice. That is at least triple the rate that I was seeing last season, and considerably less for her. In the end, though, point is that we both got the same number of crates at the same time, and had two vastly different experiences. For me, I'm probably done for the season. She, on the other hand...

Shawn_PT

While there are indeed a couple of items I would enjoy getting on this crate season, out of the five boxes I opened today I got four Nix hound pets, two of which in the very same crate. At 5 gems each it's not even enough to grab one of the other rewards and indeed leaves a bad taste in one's mouth. I am sure this has been mentioned dozens of times before but the only way to make the gem system fair would be to give a total refund on the duplicate item's worth in gems, as opposed to a ridiculously low ftaction of it.

Also makes it look like the hound did not sell well at all and they want to foist the thing into as many costumers as possible. Either that or dilute the pool of rewards so that we end up spending more money on them. Not for me.

If I had received varied (lame as they might be) rewards I would be more inclined to try and get the items I want in one or two more batches of crates. As it is, I will pass on that. There will be other opportunities in the future for sure.


Hopefully not in other crate seasons (one can dream yes?).


Another thing I have noticed. On the first season an extra golden card usually meant you would be getting a good reward, such as an apex mount. Now however the extra golden card only actually has a chance of giving a mount. On the "free" dwarven crate I opened with Morrowind there was one extra golden card. I was thinking myself lucky when it turned out to be a Draugr style book. For those who care about collecting motifs, chances are they already have them anyway. For those who don't care about motifs it's another legendary drop that suddenly transforms into a useless reward.


On today's batch the single golden card I got (and again thought hey at least I got a mount) was no mount at all, but a small Clavicus banner. How can that be considered a top tier reward? It's neither massive nor animated, and I think it serves the single purpose, together with the other furnishing items, to dilute the top tier rewards even more.

Including furnishings and motifs on the pool, fine, don't see why not. But they shouldn't be competing with the apex rewards which should be the exclusive mounts ONLY.

MakoFore

i get that its gambling , blah blah blah- but i think its reasonable that if i spend 40 bucks worth of crates that i should be guaranteed at least one mount. make WHICH mount- the gamble. that seems only fair. i spent like 60 bucks and only got a stupid camel- which was literally the only one i DIDNT want. i dont normally buy these things- but i especially liked the mounts this time around- they look cool- but to have such a low chance of getting one seems really unfair.

LordSarevok

I opened 8 crates with sub crowns I had left. Got 7 nix hounds... 2 in one crate... My gf opened 5 crates and got 3 nix hounds (she also got the nix hound in her free preorder crate)... Spread the word, the crown crates were hardly worth it to begin with, but this is unacceptable.

The only way to make things change is to bring issues to the forefront and make change happen. I know tiers of rewards are weighted and that's ok. But weighting a single item from the tier is unacceptable, considering the very poor gem conversion rate and loss of the ability to collect items from the same tier.

Chalinal

lagrue wrote: »

1st season - opened 45 crates got almost everything including 5 apex mounts. Extra cards left and right.
2nd season - opened 60 Crates, got one Apex mount and a couple of "good" rewards - but the drop table was saturated with 4 different hats with horns that were nearly identitcal. Extra cards at a decent rate.
This season: only opened 19 crates and got the stupid Nyx Hound in literally 15 of them. Got an extra card 1 time

I'm noticing that RNG isn't the only factor - things are obviously getting rigged now, that Nyx Hound being clearly weight to be the reward like 80%+ of the time.

I know I made my own bed, I paid the money - but I'm still salty - I wish there was a better system in place to prevent you from getting the same thing more than like 5 times. I'm not even exaggerating, I counted my Nyx Hounds... I got 15 out 19 crates. There's a clear imbalance on the RNG - not even other rewards of the same tier, just that one everytime leads me to believe that it's heavily weighted. Even something to like put 5 gems into a crate to exclude an item would be a nice touch.

I didn't even want any of the tacky Apex mounts this time around, but if I didn't have 200 crown gems from the last season I wouldn't have even extracted enough to make it worthwhile.

At the very least out of my combined gems I got; Breton hero + Senche + Cub (that's it since the payout on gems is awful in itself).

I would actually advise against buying this season, something is wrong with the drop tables. Each season has become progressively worse. Feel free to bathe me in salt.

Please refrain from the "well you bought it' comments because I'm well aware this was a choice to bend over and be rammed.

It is becoming a completely weighted and predatory scam.
1) The apex mounts are dropping less frequently each crown crate season.
2) Less previous "retired/limited time" mounts and pets are becoming available (one of ZO$'s initial justifications for the crown crates in the first place).
3) More NEW useless costumes and accessories to fill up the crown crates so that you "have" to win those, since you can't decline and exchange for crown gems if you don't own them yet, and they are new, so how could you? And since they consist of like 90% of the crown crate available awards - guess what you're getting the majority of the time? Crown gems at a rate of 1/3 the initial crown gem value per item.
4) Increased weights on certain items so that they are your "special" item each draw instead of something decent. Nix Hounds for example.

The chance for anything good is going down at an alarming rate each crown crate season in an effort to get people to buy more and more because getting what they want is virtually impossible. ZO$ thinks they are being sly with these baby step changes. We see what you're really doing. Keep pushing loyal players and customers away and milk the cash grabs while you can before the game crashes and burns in the background. They are making more money off the crown store and crown crates than subs and DLCs, that is why content is getting less and less worth the amount you pay. All the effort is going into new crown crate items and ideas, not bug fixes, QOL updates, new content, dungeon finder fixes (Soon ^tm), etc. The last time I think something they offered was actually worth the price and you could tell they cared was Orsinium/Wrothgar.

JR_Returns

Pwnyridah wrote: »

Its random but items are weighted (this is why they have tiered rewards). You could get 5 apex mounts in 40 crates (insane luck in my experience since the beginning). Or you could spend 45 crates to get one (happened to me on my wifes account for spriggan whereas i got mine in 15).

Point is, it's a gamble and you pay to gamble. If you don't like the odds, that's your right to quit and the more that do may change their market strategy.

You said "If you don't like the odds, that's your right to quit" which is absolutely correct however we don't know the odds. That means some people who would quit if they were aware of the odds, won't because they don't realise how bad they are..

Personally I never buy crown crates or use the crown store but that's because I play on both servers and refuse to buy items twice.

It's sad because if ZOS's marketing strategy was fair they would most likely sell more. If the price was 20% lower and bought item was available on both servers I for one would buy from the crown store

Oberick

I opened 15 and got that bug and the other like 5 times each. and then like 4-5 of the dwarven eyebrow things.

Fang_of_Lorkhaj

There was an instance where I got 2 of the nix things in one raffle of the opening a box. Really zos.

Asmael

I got to open 2 of those crates: 1 on the PTS during testing, and 1 on live due to Morrowind - never bought any crown crate directly.

While I don't remember what I got from the one on the PTS, the only I opened on live had the pet...

I think I'll keep my €€€ for something where I'm guaranteed to get what I'm paying for.

reiverx

I was going to try for one of the mounts but I'll give it a pass.

Thanks for the heads up. There is a definite pattern going on here.

RIGHTEOUS_REPORT

You silly if you pay for this.

AnviOfVai

I preferred the content in these crates than the last bundle, I also got lucky and got the horse, on my forth crown crate. I did get 5 nix hounds though Managed to scrape enough gems to get one of the funky looking hats though.