Official Discussion Thread for "Introducing the Dwarven Crown Crate Season"

  • Sigtric
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    Abeille wrote: »
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    Abeille wrote: »
    Phew, another season where nothing I want got locked behind gambling. That's really a relief.

    My heart goes to the people who want the mounts that are not even purchasable with Crown Gems, though.

    @Abeille it's getting increasingly difficult for me D:

    I was lucky most things I needed to complete my characters were released before crates were a thing. Now it is more like, "oh I would have impulse-bought it but since it is locked in a crate then I guess I'll keep my crowns". That's the case with the braided hair style. It doesn't really fit my characters but I like braids.

    I was the same way until I made a character that was completely different than what I normally do and then ended up making it my 100% focus in the game. Now things I passed up on purpose because I didn't need, I find myself wanting. And once I buy a crime crate that's the end. impulse will have me. I get addicted to this stuff.

    Hopefully it stays easy for you to pass on in the coming seasons.
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  • BlackSparrow
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    Abeille wrote: »
    My heart goes to the people who want the mounts that are not even purchasable with Crown Gems, though.

    Me too.

    That Ebon Senche looks gorgeous, but whale or not, there is absolutely no way I am spending that much money trying to get an RNG-only item. :s
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    My Girls:
    "Elsweyr, yay or nay?"

    Nephikah the Houseless, dunmer assassin: "If circumstances try to drive me there, maybe. Right now, it just sounds like a lot of sand in my boots."
    Swum-Many-Waters, elderly argonian healer: "The simple thought of it dries my scales. I ventured into Elsweyr long ago, but I may be getting too old to make the journey again."
    Silh'ki, khajiit warrior-chef: "This one looks forward to seeing her home sands again. Perhaps she will make her home village many fish sticks!"
    Peregrine Huntress, bosmer hunter: "I could do much with a good dragon hide."
    Lorenyawe, altmer mechanist: "I see little need to muck about some ancient tomb. Too much work to do elsewhere. No, that was not an intentional pun."
    Lorelai Magpie, breton thief: "Stealing from the Ban Daar is always a fun challenge. Sometimes, they steal their stuff back!"
    Rasheda the Burning Heart, redguard knight: "While I try to stay at Swum-Many-Waters' side, the whispers of an undead threat worry me."
    Hex-Eye Azabi, khajiit daedric priestess: "Perhaps. The lady Mephala spins many webs, and I can see there being benefit in sending me into the path of an undead invasion."
    Yngva Stormhammer, nord bandit (reformed...ish): "I hear there will be dragons. I would be a disappointment to my Nord heritage if I did not try to slay them."
    Madam Argentia, dunmer aristocrat: "I have little desire to waltz across the desert for weeks at a time. It's terrible for the complexion."
    Mazie gra-Bolga, orc scout: "Uh... I'm kinda busy up in Wrothgar, sorry!"
    Felicia the Wanderer, imperial witch-for-hire: "The Khajiit usually throw some nice contracts my way. I'm sure Jimila will have something that will take me there."
    Calico Jaka-dra, retired khajiit pirate: "This one is happy to check back on her homeland after grand adventures drew her away! Let the kittens call her -dra instead of -daro now!"
    Shimmerbeam, blind altmer psijic: "My lady Meridia does detest the undead. I may need to sneak out on my duties on Artaeum to address it."

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  • Stopnaggin
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    Abeille wrote: »
    My heart goes to the people who want the mounts that are not even purchasable with Crown Gems, though.

    Me too.

    That Ebon Senche looks gorgeous, but whale or not, there is absolutely no way I am spending that much money trying to get an RNG-only item. :s

    Amen, rng hates me way to much to try and get it. I would have easily spent enough on crates to get enough gems to purchase both senche mounts but I don't think I can do it this time.
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    Stopnaggin wrote: »
    I was one who defended the crates, I don't mind the system itself because you could eventually get what you wanted. But this has made me rethink about buying anymore crates. I have spent hundreds if not over a thousand real dollars on ESO, and so far I have been able to justify it because I haven't bought any other games. This though is on a whole new level for me. I have every single senche mount and pet, and now I have no guarantee of getting the ultra exclusive mount unless I put in an unknown number of dollars. Not diggin this at all.

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    I was one of those people targeted with the crates. I had no problem shelling out the cash because I could afford it. The type who had to collect everything or one of each type of item, like the senche. Just not to sure about it anymore. I have the money but really having a hard time letting it go on this game anymore. With this new reward system and lack of foresight on their end, makes me wonder. Just like me buying the cavern and only having 700 slots. Getting less and less return on my money.

    The thing to remember is that there is nothing in the crates that anyone needs to have. Armed with that, I have no problem at all not buying them. Honestly, I have not even opened the ones that came with Morrowind.

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    Moloch1514 wrote: »
    Turelus wrote: »
    Regarding the no gem purchases I'm going to make this short, critical and polite.

    ZOS, whoever it is who is running the marketing side of things and keeps pushing these absurd prices and insulting marketing schemes is hurting both yours and the games reputation.

    They are showing to have no respect for this game or it's community. It's insulting to every one of us that you keep allowing this to continue.

    If you want my opinion as a Community Ambassador then it's that you need to speak with the people who are doing this and get them to start listening or opening a dialogue with the games community.

    I may discuss more with you in private when I have cooled off a little.

    I'd like to have an ESO Live with "the Lady" as a guest. She is clearly running this $how now.

    YESSSSSSSSS. Put her on ESO Live and have the reasoning explained.
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    Scrub: Chews-on-Beavers - 50 EP DK Tank | Vera the Wild - 50 EP magicka Warden | Sigtric the Axe - 50 EP Dragonknight Crafter | Sigtric the Blade - 50 EP Lost Nightblade | Sigtric the Savage - 50 EP magicka Templar | Vibeka Shadowblade - 50 Ep Stealthy Ganky Nightblade |

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  • Elsonso
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    Moloch1514 wrote: »
    Turelus wrote: »
    Regarding the no gem purchases I'm going to make this short, critical and polite.

    ZOS, whoever it is who is running the marketing side of things and keeps pushing these absurd prices and insulting marketing schemes is hurting both yours and the games reputation.

    They are showing to have no respect for this game or it's community. It's insulting to every one of us that you keep allowing this to continue.

    If you want my opinion as a Community Ambassador then it's that you need to speak with the people who are doing this and get them to start listening or opening a dialogue with the games community.

    I may discuss more with you in private when I have cooled off a little.

    I'd like to have an ESO Live with "the Lady" as a guest. She is clearly running this $how now.

    I don't think that she is.

  • Stopnaggin
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    Turelus wrote: »
    Regarding the no gem purchases I'm going to make this short, critical and polite.

    ZOS, whoever it is who is running the marketing side of things and keeps pushing these absurd prices and insulting marketing schemes is hurting both yours and the games reputation.

    They are showing to have no respect for this game or it's community. It's insulting to every one of us that you keep allowing this to continue.

    If you want my opinion as a Community Ambassador then it's that you need to speak with the people who are doing this and get them to start listening or opening a dialogue with the games community.

    I may discuss more with you in private when I have cooled off a little.

    This.

    I was neutral on crates, they target my OCD completionist but I have the spare money and an addiction enough to TES games that i could handle it knowing i can get everything. I literally own every thing you can get off the crown store that is a mount, pet, costume, personality, hat, skin, etc. I skipped the most recent motif because you can earn it in game. I even buy mount training on the rare occasion.

    I don't say this to measure my e-peen or my e-wallet, i do this because it brings joy collecting and if i cannot get everything (looking at you stupid ps4 exclusive pet) i start to get annoyed. If it becomes to much I will cut my losses and that means all the spending I normally do on ESO goes elsewhere and i will no longer support the product.

    I don't want that to happen ZoS, I realize I am a crazy ocd whale and you can abuse me with your harpoons up to a certain point but this could be a very dangerous slope that could lose you more then you make.

    If you want to proceed with extra-limited-exclusive mounts then perhaps make larger bundles of crown crates say, maybe 30 crates for 10,000 crowns that comes with the new extra-limited-exclusive mounts.

    Exactly. I was willing to shell out the cash because I knew I could get what I wanted eventually, but this new scheme is a bit much, even for ZOS.
  • Abeille
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    Sigtric wrote: »
    Abeille wrote: »
    Sigtric wrote: »
    Abeille wrote: »
    Phew, another season where nothing I want got locked behind gambling. That's really a relief.

    My heart goes to the people who want the mounts that are not even purchasable with Crown Gems, though.

    @Abeille it's getting increasingly difficult for me D:

    I was lucky most things I needed to complete my characters were released before crates were a thing. Now it is more like, "oh I would have impulse-bought it but since it is locked in a crate then I guess I'll keep my crowns". That's the case with the braided hair style. It doesn't really fit my characters but I like braids.

    I was the same way until I made a character that was completely different than what I normally do and then ended up making it my 100% focus in the game. Now things I passed up on purpose because I didn't need, I find myself wanting. And once I buy a crime crate that's the end. impulse will have me. I get addicted to this stuff.

    Hopefully it stays easy for you to pass on in the coming seasons.

    That happened to me with the Gray Yokudan Charger. It would be perfect for my Redguard, but I only made her waaaay after it was removed from the store (and it was just 350 Crowns for a while, too! D: ).
    Abeille wrote: »
    My heart goes to the people who want the mounts that are not even purchasable with Crown Gems, though.

    Me too.

    That Ebon Senche looks gorgeous, but whale or not, there is absolutely no way I am spending that much money trying to get an RNG-only item. :s

    If it helps, these mechanical mounts sound funny.

    Like, the wolf howl sounds like something I could only describe as "aaaaAAAAAAAAAAAA". I don't own it, the only crate I ever had was the one that came with Morrowind, but I saw people spamming it.
    Stopnaggin wrote: »
    I was one who defended the crates, I don't mind the system itself because you could eventually get what you wanted. But this has made me rethink about buying anymore crates. I have spent hundreds if not over a thousand real dollars on ESO, and so far I have been able to justify it because I haven't bought any other games. This though is on a whole new level for me. I have every single senche mount and pet, and now I have no guarantee of getting the ultra exclusive mount unless I put in an unknown number of dollars. Not diggin this at all.

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    I was one of those people targeted with the crates. I had no problem shelling out the cash because I could afford it. The type who had to collect everything or one of each type of item, like the senche. Just not to sure about it anymore. I have the money but really having a hard time letting it go on this game anymore. With this new reward system and lack of foresight on their end, makes me wonder. Just like me buying the cavern and only having 700 slots. Getting less and less return on my money.

    The thing to remember is that there is nothing in the crates that anyone needs to have. Armed with that, I have no problem at all not buying them. Honestly, I have not even opened the ones that came with Morrowind.

    Depends on what you mean with "need". People "need" different things in order to enjoy a game, and completing the concept of a character can very well be one of these things needed. Like how my Altmer can't wear anything without a hat because having the wrong hair color completely ruins her for me, and because of that I get no enjoyment from playing her?

    If you mean "need" as in, "to live", well, we don't need to play games at all either.
    Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.

    Meet my characters:
    Command: Do the thing.

    Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
    Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
    Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
    Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
    Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
    Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
    Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
    Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
    Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
    Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.
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    I really dislike that change. I never got an apex item (either through draws or bought with gems) but I've felt since they were introduced the fact that you could made the whole crown crate thing reasonable. But I really object to this change purely on principle, and it validates the criticism of the crates' existence.

    I hope someone reconsiders. Not because I want those four items (because I wouldn't buy enough to get the gems anyway), but because I think it does damage to the game's reputation.
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    My kid doesnt really need food, right?
  • Rouven
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    It would be way cooler if we could buy gem-crates with the gems and those give you pebbles, and pebble-crates ...

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  • Abeille
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    Slurg wrote: »
    What, even some of the loyal crate supporters are angry now? This announcement certainly doesn't change my mind about the things. ZOS must have great confidence they will sell like hot cakes regardless of what any of us think.

    I feel that they didn't sell like hotcakes. Otherwise, why change the system they had?

    They certainly didn't like that people only bought crates until they had enough gems to get what they wanted, or they wouldn't have put items that can't be bought with gems in there :no_mouth:
    Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.

    Meet my characters:
    Command: Do the thing.

    Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
    Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
    Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
    Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
    Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
    Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
    Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
    Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
    Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
    Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.
  • aisriyth_ESO
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    According to reddit posts there are other items that aren't even at the apex level that also cannot be bought with the gems....if this checks out i am thoroughly disgusted.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/6iuknb/im_not_made_of_money_zos/
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    MAGENTA RAINBOW HAIR!?!?!?!! <3
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  • Abeille
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    According to reddit posts there are other items that aren't even at the apex level that also cannot be bought with the gems....if this checks out i am thoroughly disgusted.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/6iuknb/im_not_made_of_money_zos/

    Well now I'm worried. I was relieved because nothing on the Crown Crate menu in game was really interesting to me, but if there are things that are not in the menu other than these apex mounts, I want to know.

    Is there are list somewhere of the things that are in the crates but can't be bought with gems?
    Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.

    Meet my characters:
    Command: Do the thing.

    Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
    Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
    Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
    Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
    Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
    Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
    Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
    Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
    Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
    Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.
  • MissBizz
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    Abeille wrote: »
    According to reddit posts there are other items that aren't even at the apex level that also cannot be bought with the gems....if this checks out i am thoroughly disgusted.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/6iuknb/im_not_made_of_money_zos/

    Well now I'm worried. I was relieved because nothing on the Crown Crate menu in game was really interesting to me, but if there are things that are not in the menu other than these apex mounts, I want to know.

    Is there are list somewhere of the things that are in the crates but can't be bought with gems?

    @Abeille I'm pretty sure you can right click on the place you would buy crates and select preview. Or possibly hover over it and press R(?) for "bundle details" which should list everything (even stuff not available for gems).

    At least that used to be possible.
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  • Abeille
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    MissBizz wrote: »
    Abeille wrote: »
    According to reddit posts there are other items that aren't even at the apex level that also cannot be bought with the gems....if this checks out i am thoroughly disgusted.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/6iuknb/im_not_made_of_money_zos/

    Well now I'm worried. I was relieved because nothing on the Crown Crate menu in game was really interesting to me, but if there are things that are not in the menu other than these apex mounts, I want to know.

    Is there are list somewhere of the things that are in the crates but can't be bought with gems?

    @Abeille I'm pretty sure you can right click on the place you would buy crates and select preview. Or possibly hover over it and press R(?) for "bundle details" which should list everything (even stuff not available for gems).

    At least that used to be possible.

    It is, but I didn't find anything other than those three apex mounts that were drop-only. The "flowy argonian feathers" mentioned in the reddit link isn't in the preview in game.

    Edit: FOUND IT. The "Flowy argonian feathers" are just how the White River Braids hair style looks when you put it on an Argonian. It is listed and it costs 40 Crown Gems. I'll go warn that guy on reddit.
    Edited by Abeille on June 22, 2017 5:42PM
    Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.

    Meet my characters:
    Command: Do the thing.

    Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
    Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
    Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
    Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
    Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
    Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
    Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
    Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
    Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
    Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.
  • Enodoc
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    The only things that are not available for Gems are the three odd Apex mounts, the Apex Sweetroll furnishing, and the 1 Day Research Scroll from the Fine (Green) tier.
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