Best Patch For PvP

Father_X_Zombie

Which patch do you think had the most fun and balanced PvP?

Father_X_Zombie

Post Dark Brotherhood

Imo, Dark Brotherhood had the most fun PvP. The only problems that I could see with balance was Incap, proc sets and the fact nobody played mag sorc. This was before the game had 50 proc sets, terrible/infinite sustain and heavy armor wasnt really an issue.

Also zergs were not as big of an issue

Skinzz

Post Dark Brotherhood

PvP since the morrowind update is a laughing joke. Much harder to survive now especially in 1vx situations or simply getting zerged down.

Ghost-Shot

Pre Imperial City

Patch 1.5, how could you not include he glory days of ESO PvP???

imredneckson

Pre Imperial City

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Patch 1.5, how could you not include he glory days of ESO PvP???

This

CyrusArya

Post Morrowind (now)

The problem with discussing balance is it means different things to different people. When I think of balance, I think of the relative viability of each class and resource orientation. In that regard, I feel the game has been steadily marching towards a more balanced playing field every patch since thieves guild/dark brotherhood era. And as of right now the balance is the best I've personally seen it, in the sense that I honestly believe I could pick up any class (magicka or stamina) and do well with the right build.

P.S. I always suspect that people who speak of the 'glory days' are too caught up in the nostalgia of a new and undiscovered ESO to be objective.

Ghost-Shot

Pre Imperial City

CyrusArya wrote: »

The problem with discussing balance is it means different things to different people. When I think of balance, I think of the relative viability of each class and resource orientation. In that regard, I feel the game has been steadily marching towards a more balanced playing field every patch since thieves guild/dark brotherhood era. And as of right now the balance is the best I've personally seen it, in the sense that I honestly believe I could pick up any class (magicka or stamina) and do well with the right build.

P.S. I always suspect that people who speak of the 'glory days' are too caught up in the nostalgia of a new and undiscovered ESO to be objective.

You are totally correct about balance being better now than it has been in a long time by your definition. And as a mag DK main I may or may not have a skewed perspective on 1.5 lol. I have a hard time saying I find the current game play all that fun because group fights aren't all that interesting anymore and 1v1 fights seem to either end as quickly as they start or last forever, its all just kinda meh to me.

Skinzz

Post Dark Brotherhood

Lol stam nightblades with proc sets are back in full force. Literally can't even run around solo anymore without running into groups of 10+.

lolo_01b16_ESO

Pre Imperial City

Most fun was clearly pre IC, back when we had dynamic ulti gen, softcaps and awesome skills like blinding flashes / spark.

Balance wise it's hard to say. I personally liked the time when dodge costs didn't stack, but melee magicka skills were undodgable to counter it, while harness magicka was a strong counter to those magicka skills, but useless against stamina. Sure, it wasn't perfect, but it somehow gave the idea of a rock-paper-sccissors system, where builds are strong against one thing and weak against other enemies. In my opinion this is a better way to archive balance than just trying to have every class do the same amount of damage and have a similar amount of survivability.

SanTii.92

If we can let aside issues with proc set, think it's safe to say we currently have the most balanced patch between classes.

GreenSoup2HoT

Pre Imperial City

Pre-1.6 what an amazing time to play the game.

Stamina regen actually used to work while doing stamina based things. Sprinting/Sneaking/Blocking. Roll dodging/Streaking didn't cost more. I remember fights all over the place because movement was actually fun.

The game now is just terrible. I could sprint over to a far distance rock but why bother when it costs me 50% or more of my stamina bar. I could use roll dodge actively to evade attacks but why bother when it exponentially costs more and more. Just keep punishing the player for playing smart zos, you really have made game-play in cryodill dynamic and fun... (sarcasm).

(Not this is from a console perspective. Where players didn't have mass champion points already accumulated. Except those who pc transferred over but that was more so an issue in itself).

leepalmer95

Pre Imperial City

1.6 was fun, thats when i started the game so it may be skewed.

It did have its own problems with god mode sorc's and infinite roll dodge, few bugs etc...

But it was fun, i didn't lag anywhere near as much as i did now. There wasn't organised 24 man raids with 8~ healbots in it.

I didn't run into aoe destro or i guess back then steel tornado/ bats swarm raids.

DeadlyRecluse

Post Imperial City

I personally think this patch is one of the most balanced, in terms of class balance. Gear balance needs work...

Also, I'm not sure why, but I really enjoyed PvP in the IC patch. Maybe it's because IC actually offered a variety of PvP options then.

NightbladeMechanics

Post Morrowind (now)

Dark Brotherhood through Homestead was awful because of the heavy armor buffs. Thieves Guild was not nearly as awful, but magplars and bombers were overtuned. Was that also the patch where proc sets got buffed, or was that DB? Orsinium belonged to stam DKs and CP imbalance. Same with IC. mDK basically didn't exist through most of this time... 1.6 was awful because of no CP cap.

I didn't play PvP prior to then, but I hear lots of stories of even more broken things in the early eras of the game. I'd say if proc sets mysteriously stopped working today and the defensive CP stars were toned down a little, we'd be in a really nice state of balance. Not perfect, but better than where we've been for sure.

Edit: All of you voting for Dark Brotherhood are literally saying that heavy armor and proc sets were balanced through all of the last few patches. That's the patch where balance was at its worst in the last couple of years imo.

Father_X_Zombie

Post Dark Brotherhood

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Dark Brotherhood through Homestead was awful because of the heavy armor buffs. Thieves Guild was not nearly as awful, but magplars and bombers were overtuned. Was that also the patch where proc sets got buffed, or was that DB? Orsinium belonged to stam DKs and CP imbalance. Same with IC. mDK basically didn't exist through most of this time... 1.6 was awful because of no CP cap.

I didn't play PvP prior to then, but I hear lots of stories of even more broken things in the early eras of the game. I'd say if proc sets mysteriously stopped working today and the defensive CP stars were toned down a little, we'd be in a really nice state of balance. Not perfect, but better than where we've been for sure.

Edit: All of you voting for Dark Brotherhood are literally saying that heavy armor and proc sets were balanced through all of the last few patches. That's the patch where balance was at its worst in the last couple of years imo.

Well in my post I said that proc sets were a problem but not at the scale of right now. I don't remember heavy armor being a big deal immediately after dark brotherhood because at that time my average C-frag was like 12k Imo this was the closest they got to balancing the classes and Imo the most fun Ive had in PvP.

Everything about the other patches I agree with you except that morrowind is best

SRASinister

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Dark Brotherhood through Homestead was awful because of the heavy armor buffs. Thieves Guild was not nearly as awful, but magplars and bombers were overtuned. Was that also the patch where proc sets got buffed, or was that DB? Orsinium belonged to stam DKs and CP imbalance. Same with IC. mDK basically didn't exist through most of this time... 1.6 was awful because of no CP cap.

I didn't play PvP prior to then, but I hear lots of stories of even more broken things in the early eras of the game. I'd say if proc sets mysteriously stopped working today and the defensive CP stars were toned down a little, we'd be in a really nice state of balance. Not perfect, but better than where we've been for sure.

Edit: All of you voting for Dark Brotherhood are literally saying that heavy armor and proc sets were balanced through all of the last few patches. That's the patch where balance was at its worst in the last couple of years imo.

Well in my post I said that proc sets were a problem but not at the scale of right now. I don't remember heavy armor being a big deal immediately after dark brotherhood because at that time my average C-frag was like 12k Imo this was the closest they got to balancing the classes and Imo the most fun Ive had in PvP.

Everything about the other patches I agree with you except that morrowind is best

This was the patch though that cancer healplars rose and tanky stam dks were good. At first it was alright, but Glow glow had about 3 raids of heavy armor healers in scourge all the time.

FloppyTouch

Pre Imperial City

Yep

Father_X_Zombie

Post Dark Brotherhood

SRASinister wrote: »

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Dark Brotherhood through Homestead was awful because of the heavy armor buffs. Thieves Guild was not nearly as awful, but magplars and bombers were overtuned. Was that also the patch where proc sets got buffed, or was that DB? Orsinium belonged to stam DKs and CP imbalance. Same with IC. mDK basically didn't exist through most of this time... 1.6 was awful because of no CP cap.

I didn't play PvP prior to then, but I hear lots of stories of even more broken things in the early eras of the game. I'd say if proc sets mysteriously stopped working today and the defensive CP stars were toned down a little, we'd be in a really nice state of balance. Not perfect, but better than where we've been for sure.

Edit: All of you voting for Dark Brotherhood are literally saying that heavy armor and proc sets were balanced through all of the last few patches. That's the patch where balance was at its worst in the last couple of years imo.

Well in my post I said that proc sets were a problem but not at the scale of right now. I don't remember heavy armor being a big deal immediately after dark brotherhood because at that time my average C-frag was like 12k Imo this was the closest they got to balancing the classes and Imo the most fun Ive had in PvP.

Everything about the other patches I agree with you except that morrowind is best

This was the patch though that cancer healplars rose and tanky stam dks were good. At first it was alright, but Glow glow had about 3 raids of heavy armor healers in scourge all the time.

I remember that too but Im saying that this was the closest we got to balancing PvP. Though serious, there weren't Alot of issues that needed fixed. These issues could have easily been fixed and PvP would have been near perfect. Instead they made it worse by buffing heavy armor and adding more proc sets

Valencer

Post Orsinium

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Dark Brotherhood through Homestead was awful because of the heavy armor buffs. Thieves Guild was not nearly as awful, but magplars and bombers were overtuned. Was that also the patch where proc sets got buffed, or was that DB? Orsinium belonged to stam DKs and CP imbalance. Same with IC. mDK basically didn't exist through most of this time... 1.6 was awful because of no CP cap.

I didn't play PvP prior to then, but I hear lots of stories of even more broken things in the early eras of the game. I'd say if proc sets mysteriously stopped working today and the defensive CP stars were toned down a little, we'd be in a really nice state of balance. Not perfect, but better than where we've been for sure.

Edit: All of you voting for Dark Brotherhood are literally saying that heavy armor and proc sets were balanced through all of the last few patches. That's the patch where balance was at its worst in the last couple of years imo.

Heavy armour is still really potent and so far morrowind feels like stamblades are a mile above everyone else. Maybe proc sets are slightly clouding the issue, but it sure feels that way. Also, PvP in general feels really dumbed down with less build variety and everyone being weaker.

I personally really liked Orsinium because it added a CP cap and PvP still felt somewhat sane - group play was fun, everyone was killable, builds didnt rely on so much cheese.

Thieves Guild turned cyrodiil into an even bigger zergfest with forward camp spam, dumbed down group mechanics. Dark Brotherhood started the ridiculously boring heavy armour tank (+ poison) meta that's kind of still here. Shadows of the Hist introduced proc sets. One Tamriel added even more proc sets and a ton of ridiculous ultimates that are still in need of a proper balance check. I'm finding it very hard to say anything positive about any of the 2016/2017 updates... every update I end up wishing I could play the previous update because PvP keeps getting worse and worse.

Ashamray

Nostalgia won this poll

Kay1

Post Morrowind (now)

xskinzcity wrote: »

PvP since the morrowind update is a laughing joke. Much harder to survive now especially in 1vx situations or simply getting zerged down.

Lol what, last patch to do a 1vX I had to go in an unpopular campaign and cap a resource at 7 keeps away from my alliance, now I can 1vX people mid route between a sieged keep, yeah the zergs are real but they've always been real this heavy meta is finally done and dead I'm so happy im doing my best 1vXs.

Banzai406

Imperial city was the worst patch by far level 20 going around killing vet 16 they were crazy buffed over 40k of each rss and your armor buffs stacked on top anyone that says this was a good patch don't know wtf there talking about plain and simple

Ishammael

In order:

1. patch 1.5
2. Now (Morrowind)
3. early-mid 1.6 when most people had <200 CPs (before several ppl had earned outrageous 600-800+).

Minno

Post Morrowind (now)

Post Morrowind CP (excluding proc sets.)

Comfortably_Buzzed

Pre Imperial City

As strong as magDKs were back in the day, and even though basically everybody ran light armor and staves, 1.5 was still my favorite. No CP, no proc sets, forward camps with no range limitations. Those were the days.

FlyLionel

@Emma_Overload @MisterBigglesworth Eso never had good pvp?

Takes-No-Prisoner

Post Morrowind (now)

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

I didn't play PvP prior to then, but I hear lots of stories of even more broken things in the early eras of the game.

I remember a time when Stamina did nothing, and there were fields full of MagDKs in Light armor running wild and free!

Comfortably_Buzzed wrote: »

As strong as magDKs were back in the day, and even though basically everybody ran light armor and staves, 1.5 was still my favorite. No CP, no proc sets, forward camps with no range limitations. Those were the days.

Lol, I member dis. I played a Argonian StamNB. A super rare flower I was.

Joy_Division

how does this poll not include anything before 1.6?

NightbladeMechanics

Post Morrowind (now)

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Dark Brotherhood through Homestead was awful because of the heavy armor buffs. Thieves Guild was not nearly as awful, but magplars and bombers were overtuned. Was that also the patch where proc sets got buffed, or was that DB? Orsinium belonged to stam DKs and CP imbalance. Same with IC. mDK basically didn't exist through most of this time... 1.6 was awful because of no CP cap.

I didn't play PvP prior to then, but I hear lots of stories of even more broken things in the early eras of the game. I'd say if proc sets mysteriously stopped working today and the defensive CP stars were toned down a little, we'd be in a really nice state of balance. Not perfect, but better than where we've been for sure.

Edit: All of you voting for Dark Brotherhood are literally saying that heavy armor and proc sets were balanced through all of the last few patches. That's the patch where balance was at its worst in the last couple of years imo.

Well in my post I said that proc sets were a problem but not at the scale of right now. I don't remember heavy armor being a big deal immediately after dark brotherhood because at that time my average C-frag was like 12k Imo this was the closest they got to balancing the classes and Imo the most fun Ive had in PvP.

Everything about the other patches I agree with you except that morrowind is best

It took people a little while to realize how op heavy was. People initially thought the heavy armor changes were trash because of the removal of Bracing. Once that died down and people started experimenting with heavy, balance went to ***. The changes were still made during DB patch.

Father_X_Zombie

Post Dark Brotherhood

Joy_Division wrote: »

how does this poll not include anything before 1.6?

Only 10 options so I just summed it up with before IC

Knootewoot

Pre Imperial City

Pre patch 1.2.3 (june 25th 2014).

Oh yes, there where certainly imbalanced and uber builds. But

- no proc sets
- softcaps
- deer and torchbugs in Cyrodill
- and most importantly, not as much lag with 1000 people on screen