Can we have some love?

Nermy

I love Cyrodiil. I love the people I fight with, I love the design and the wide open places. I love 3 way battles. I love taking keeps in 2 minutes flat! Hell, I even love some of my enemies. Some not so much. Not so keen on the lag, loading screens or server crashes but the fun I have makes those easy to ignore.

Having said that, Cyrodiil needs some love. The whole AvAvA thing is dead, no-one fights for the campaign now. The zergs and PvDoor groups have won. All that's left to fight for is your honour and reputation... and a bit of fun as well.

There's so much that could be done in Cyrodiil but the most recent addition to Cyrodiil was Bruma, Cropsford and Valastrus. Woopppeee!! Sure we've had BGs but they're not for me and not for a lot of PvPers.

*Knock, knock* Is anyone home in the PvP department? Are you even thinking about Cyrodiil? Developing any ideas? Even reading the ideas that your loyal player-base have proffered? I hope you are, sincerely. But you know what, it doesn't feel like it.

Can we have some love please?

Taonnor

You cannot sell Cyrodiil expansions als DLC.

Nermy

Taonnor wrote: »

You cannot sell Cyrodiil expansions als DLC.

We don't want a Cyrodiil expansion. We had that with IC. All the good that did.

What we want is some ! Some additions to the PvP experience to add to the fun and enhance the Cyrodiil experience. Remember, it is the player base that pay the subs, whether they are PvE or PvP. We've just had Morrowind and have been promised 2 more DLCs this year. Tell me, what's been promised for Cyrodiil? Isn't it time we have some small addition to keep us happy and PvPing. Otherwise the PvP base will decline.

Qbiken

Here have some

paulsimonps

Says Cyro is dead but also said "zergs" have taken over. zergs in cyro=/= dead campaigns. Been saying this for years now, zergs are not always a bad thing, and I love the huge scale fights of zerg vs zerg.

Iyas

Nermy wrote: »

... The zergs and PvDoor groups have won. ...

Of couse did the zergs win. They dictate everything in Cyrodil because the only counter against a zerg is to organise an own zerg. Every counterplay got removed from Zos in their mighty wisdom.

And yea Cyrodil got rly stale in the last weeks. But most PC EU player know the reason for that one... *something phoenix

LarsS

I agree with Nermy ZOS need to listen to those of us who like cyro. There lots of suggestions around for how to balance the campaigns but we never get a reaktion. If ZOS dont act even more pvp will leave the game.

Avaglaor

Nermy wrote: »

Can we have some love please?

Are you high again? :P

paulsimonps wrote: »

Says Cyro is dead but also said "zergs" have taken over. zergs in cyro=/= dead campaigns. Been saying this for years now, zergs are not always a bad thing, and I love the huge scale fights of zerg vs zerg.

He actually says that AvAvA is dead (fighting for the campaign and your Alliance) and that zergs and PvDoor taken over.

Nermy

Avaglaor wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

Can we have some love please?

Are you high again? :P

Nope, still at work... ;p

Trashkan

Why not implement stronger defenses on keeps like auto siege engines that fire automatically? Also maybe some keep defenders like a Manti or something to help the little guys when being zerged. This would prevent late night emp runs.

Keeps should be hard to take. You shouldn't be able to take a keep with 2 people.

geonsocal

funneling a large portion of the pvp pop in to one cp map has definitely provided some wild large scale zergy battles - which i love

it would be great though to see some type of activity brought in to cyrodiil to spice things up...

I'm always a big fan of the whole daedric invasion thing...

even sporadic timed events (double AP on resource captures, players killed, whatever)...

fighting is almost always enough fun in of itself - but, after a couple of years now, a little variety and more "events" (not just AP boosts) would be very welcome...

Darlgon

Nermy wrote: »

Taonnor wrote: »

You cannot sell Cyrodiil expansions als DLC.

We don't want a Cyrodiil expansion. We had that with IC. All the good that did.

.

Sorry dude.. AvA <> PvP.. just saying.. Pure PVP is dueling.

And IC? That PVE AvA hybrid was to draw PVE players into Cyro, not really to improve WvW. Because it had no real defined draw group, it fell flat, esp since the mechanics massively favored gankers/gank groups, which PVE players consider unfair play.

Sorry, tough love for you here.

Maybe this will help..

https://youtu.be/KE5GGMhmo-M

Integral1900

Pvp community is a drop in the ocean compared to pve, hence why pve gets all the content and pvp gets the occasional stick, pve is where the real money comes from to pay the bills and run the servers, if you want more pvp love unfortunately you will need to find another game cos that ain't changing anytime soon I'm afraid

Aki-Ral

More bridges!

Dutchessx

Well when you have fought on the same map for 3 years BG's can be a welcomed change DR is still pvping in Cyrodiil and doing BG's. I feel people will be back in Cyrodiil once achievements and pve from the new area is completed. However, I agree with the poster something should change to break up the monotony.

Dutchessx

Aki-Ral wrote: »

More bridges!

Lol or a flag on the bridge... jk

Dutchessx

Trashkan wrote: »

Why not implement stronger defenses on keeps like auto siege engines that fire automatically? Also maybe some keep defenders like a Manti or something to help the little guys when being zerged. This would prevent late night emp runs.

Keeps should be hard to take. You shouldn't be able to take a keep with 2 people.

Sorry... I disagree completely with this especially in non-cp campaigns the guards are stupidly hard to kill now & can heal completely to full. If you want more of a challenge taking keeps come to Sotha Sil. Siege is a huge problem in non-cp it hurts bad & you can get 1-shoted by focus fire. Anything they do to cp to make it harder makes non-cp harder to. That is why most players who already have max cp play non-cp is that it is more challenging, at least those who I know.

Darlgon

Dutchessx wrote: »

Trashkan wrote: »

Why not implement stronger defenses on keeps like auto siege engines that fire automatically? Also maybe some keep defenders like a Manti or something to help the little guys when being zerged. This would prevent late night emp runs.

Keeps should be hard to take. You shouldn't be able to take a keep with 2 people.

Sorry... I disagree completely with this especially in non-cp campaigns the guards are stupidly hard to kill now & can heal completely to full. If you want more of a challenge taking keeps come to Sotha Sil. Siege is a huge problem in non-cp it hurts bad & you can get 1-shoted by focus fire. Anything they do to cp to make it harder makes non-cp harder to. That is why most players who already have max cp play non-cp is that it is more challenging, at least those who I know.

Guards and NPCs are bugged atm. Brian Wheeler said so... err.. two weeks agoish. I have yet to see a patch note that they were fixed.

Nermy

Dutchessx wrote: »

Aki-Ral wrote: »

More bridges!

Lol or a flag on the bridge... jk

I wish they would make the bridges and mile-gates siegeable and collapseable like keep walls. Would mean that the opposition has to travel round and through another gate/bridge. In fact, you could cut off the enemies advance this way.

Sanct16

Not even sure ZOS is aware that this is a problem on EU.
@ZOS_BrianWheeler

mistermacintosh

No love for you.

Turelus

Oh hey, here's a thread I missed.

You can have my love all.

kuro-dono

quite few things have to be done to "fix" "improve" cyrodiil.

first of all. the vicious pros need to be completely and utterly separated from the weaklings who get 24/7 farmed. its not massive surprise that some guy wants to run with zerg when alone he gets all the time either instant burst killed or aoe choo choo overrun or some pro sorc teleporting all over the place and harassing him/her.

when you have pug group vs pug groups fighting on their own its actually quite fun. when you add in some pro gankers picking ppl from either side or aoe choo choo it becomes very stale.

server to calculate each players stats and based on kill/death/ap gain per hour rate FORCE the player into either pro server or for pugling server.

i know people love harassing them weaklings but that has to be changed. pros should just be competive on their own fighting each other and leave them pugies and sweet and innocent folks to fight on their own each other. if someone wants to join pro server.. guess what? get yoursel uber stats and bam, you in. one week or 2 week is nothing. when some ppl like me have played on main char 280 days and even more.

after this change where population has been separated. we will get more data to read that did this change affect where the nightcappers went as in what happened to them. sure as faith, those godly pvp heroes, one server will do them nicely, as there is no zerglings roaming around. as in all fairness any pro low lv alt player that goes to blackwater blade... went there for one reason. to get even weaker enemies than they did get at non cp or at cp campaign. whoever says something else is pretty much liar.

so. for the pugs, you need the non cp player server and cp server. here they can pick either one and whee! they get to roam around and kill happily.

on server list the different servers are either marked as an available to you, or not, that depends really which category you ended up into, either pro or not so pro.

this change alone, could encourage more ppl to try pvp.

i myself needed about 5 month before i first time ventured into cyrodiil when i started playing eso.

if you know that there is no godlike players to pick on you and farm you 24/7 you are more likely to go and hop into pvp and see how it feels. and when you eventually get to point that these n00bs arent challenge enough then improve your stats so much that you get to join pro server.

this change, what it does for nightcapping...?

the nightcappers are usually the kind of folks that they avoid similarly minded folks. thats why the servers are split into one where there is HUGE ebon pact population and another where there is huge aldmeri population. no clue if there is any covenant population in one of the servers as i havent played really for month now.

ANYWAY. when there is only two campaign available for the cp/noncp pugs/noobies etc. this most likely means that yeah bananas ands reds will again try to avoid each other, but then this leaves covenants to go for only one server as their population cant really handle it. so therefore... we get campaign where either bananas or reds sit alone and do the delves and fishing achievements 24/7 or they go join the server where either banana or red is fighting covenants.

its hard to force ppl to play against others but when you separate the pros from n00bs, you might be able to get nice and fun pvp going on with added spice ava envinronment.

i played for almost 3 years doing mostly pvp. and iknow it as an fact how population separation has caused for pvp so much damage. new players dont wanna join in since there is instant burst builds picking on ppl and vanishing as soon as person killed, or aoe choo choo which nobody can really do any harm expect organized group and what does the opposing organized group? obviously fighting otherside of the map doing that exact same thing on enemy raid. OR if we talking about last emperor keep then yeah it becomes pro vs pro but until then they avoid each other.

n00bs dont learn to enjoy the game when they die so fast that they dont learn to do any counterplay moves. therefore fresh blood from cyrodiil is disappearing.

every single pro pretty much who i know prefers to fight them weaklings instead of another pro as they have HUGE advantage.
there is for reason why solo pros are mostly sorcs and nightblades. their ability to escape from tough situation EASILY.

Magıc

Zos couldn't care less for EU Nermy. Remember the outpost flipping? When I think it was Brian Wheeler (Idr which dev it was) claimed people are averging 30k AP/hr cause they didn't bother to check EU where we were averaging 200k/hr and 400k/hr during double AP (this is without the buff). It's just how it is. If you want them to care, I suggest you reroll NA.

Nermy

Magıc wrote: »

Zos couldn't care less for EU Nermy. Remember the outpost flipping? When I think it was Brian Wheeler (Idr which dev it was) claimed people are averging 30k AP/hr cause they didn't bother to check EU where we were averaging 200k/hr and 400k/hr during double AP (this is without the buff). It's just how it is. If you want them to care, I suggest you reroll NA.

I remember mate, it's just sad. Wabba will keep on fighting the good fight because we still enjoy it but I wonder how long it can realistically go on for without some TLC.

Turelus

Magıc wrote: »

Zos couldn't care less for EU Nermy. Remember the outpost flipping? When I think it was Brian Wheeler (Idr which dev it was) claimed people are averging 30k AP/hr cause they didn't bother to check EU where we were averaging 200k/hr and 400k/hr during double AP (this is without the buff). It's just how it is. If you want them to care, I suggest you reroll NA.

It was Brian yes.
They didn't look at EU data and posted NA stats, I had to actively post images of the AP being farmed to get a reaction, at which point he reached out and asked me which campaign it was happening on.
I then after ESO live and constantly poking them in chat/forums was reached out to in a PM to provide information. Last I heard from them until the bans.

It annoyed me at the time, but I hope ZOS learnt from it and has become more willing to actually believe what their player base is posted without needing us to actively "exploit" and post images showing it.

But this is happy thread, so here is a rainbow kitten.

https://twitter.com/bay_leefs/status/876622819349508096

ofSunhold

Nermy wrote: »

I love Cyrodiil. I love the people I fight with, I love the design and the wide open places. I love 3 way battles. I love taking keeps in 2 minutes flat! Hell, I even love some of my enemies. Some not so much. Not so keen on the lag, loading screens or server crashes but the fun I have makes those easy to ignore.

Having said that, Cyrodiil needs some love. The whole AvAvA thing is dead, no-one fights for the campaign now. The zergs and PvDoor groups have won. All that's left to fight for is your honour and reputation... and a bit of fun as well.

There's so much that could be done in Cyrodiil but the most recent addition to Cyrodiil was Bruma, Cropsford and Valastrus. Woopppeee!! Sure we've had BGs but they're not for me and not for a lot of PvPers.

*Knock, knock* Is anyone home in the PvP department? Are you even thinking about Cyrodiil? Developing any ideas? Even reading the ideas that your loyal player-base have proffered? I hope you are, sincerely. But you know what, it doesn't feel like it.

Can we have some love please?

Sure man, c'mere.

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