Cyrodiil NPC's are Out of Control!

alkodav

@ZOS_BrianWheeler I can confirm this issue too.
Resource flag's mobs have all abilities, not depend on mob type (they ALL can heal for exsample). Vivec campaign
Check pls

GreenSoup2HoT

@Derra its because we dont have a dedicated cryodill team. hes probably ironing out bg bugs and hasnt been in cryodill.

Derra

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@Derra its because we dont have a dedicated cryodill team. hes probably ironing out bg bugs and hasnt been in cryodill.

"Someone declined the invitation" would like to have a word with "ironing out bg bugs" i guess

But even under this assumption i find the fact unacceptable.

Feanor

@Derra

What I find more depressing is the fact he downplayed it at first - just like Gina did with that queue bug. It's always like "are you really sure that the things you are perpetually experiencing are the way you describe? Because my sheet here says everything is working as intended."

ZOS_BrianWheeler

In all reports we confirm the in game server data ("my sheet") first along with talking with QA and our server engineers to see what's going on. As that was happening, I was logging in to confirm it in person. As for why this wasn't seen by me personally until now, I've been leveling a warden, playing in battlegrounds with my other characters to help iron out the LFG issues, and in the times I've gone into Cyrodiil I've been in IC. I'm sorry we didn't catch this sooner, and we have a fix ready that our engineers need to verify doesn't cause other issues.

Thelon

we deserve better

GreenSoup2HoT

@ZOS_BrianWheeler Can console expect a hotfix?

pelennor_fields

Yeah - glad to see this is being addresses. I knew I was having issues with sustain for the update - but I thought I was gonna need to zerg to take a resouce. Confirm abilities are out of sorts on NPC's heals and negates everywhere and INSANE fire dmg from all sides.

RMerlin

Koolio wrote: »

Can you take a look at them chain pulling you through walls and floors.

I've also gotten chain-pulled on the top of the wall an ennemy keep once, from outside its walls.

RMerlin

Ackwalan wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

I log in almost every day Ackwalan.

With all respect. Then how did you not know about this? As others have said, it was noticed the first hour of going live.

And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who /bugged this at least 1-2 weeks ago...

Serjustin19

All workers and mage guards heal, while the workers would also use negates. PS4 EU. My group was surprised and confused to see.

CTSCold

Possibly not related but on NA PC Kyne my level 11 was able to solo a resource as only the flag guard I was attacking would attack back. The other three just stood there like potatoes. The other npc's present would attack 'as normal' (read bugged) but flag guards were extra bugged.

Docmandu

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

I log in almost every day Ackwalan.

Then please stop PvE'ing!

gp1680

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

In all reports we confirm the in game server data ("my sheet") first along with talking with QA and our server engineers to see what's going on. As that was happening, I was logging in to confirm it in person. As for why this wasn't seen by me personally until now, I've been leveling a warden, playing in battlegrounds with my other characters to help iron out the LFG issues, and in the times I've gone into Cyrodiil I've been in IC. I'm sorry we didn't catch this sooner, and we have a fix ready that our engineers need to verify doesn't cause other issues.

Much respect for coming into this firestorm and explaining and taking heat. Please keep it up. Cyrodiil needs attention and I would love to see some feedback from devs on what the short/long term plan is with it. Right now, the lag, disconnects, and load screens make it difficult, at least on xbox one.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

I'm looking into this but on the workers in Cyrodiil I'm seeing no changes in their ability lists for the past 6 months. Can you give us some more information such as the resource defense level and production level?

Haha. Now I feel less bad about dying at a level 5 resource 2 days ago. I was so ashamed that I ran away from the tic when my buddies cleaned it up. Haha. I had probably soloed 100 straight resources dating back to last fall without dying.

Beardimus

Epic that Brian is updating this post. Give him a chance guys.

Agreed that keep jumping etc is a thing, seen on Xbox, thought the old problem was back so that explains it

Adenoma

@ZOS_BrianWheeler , thanks for the in-depth response. I know I am among many that are too fast to give you flack, but I appreciate the hard work.

Any news on whether the NPC eclipse will give CC immunity like it did before? It's awful for a magicka build using destro/resto to deal with NPCs now because you're basically permanently eclipsed and eating your own projectiles.

Master_Kas

Humphie wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

I didn't think it was much harder, alot of guildies talking about it but still soloable. I think leave it, its a better challenge. Saying it breaks the strategy is wrong, it just breaks your strategy so you have to change is all. Hard is good

Try solo a level 5 ressource as a magicka build...

Soul tether/eye of potato on flag. Ez

saf227_ESO

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

In all reports we confirm the in game server data ("my sheet") first along with talking with QA and our server engineers to see what's going on. As that was happening, I was logging in to confirm it in person. As for why this wasn't seen by me personally until now, I've been leveling a warden, playing in battlegrounds with my other characters to help iron out the LFG issues, and in the times I've gone into Cyrodiil I've been in IC. I'm sorry we didn't catch this sooner, and we have a fix ready that our engineers need to verify doesn't cause other issues.

<joking>
I'm really hoping the fix is "Removed all NPCs from Cyrodil". Just so I can watch the meltdown this weekend.
</joking>

Humphie

Master_Kas wrote: »

Humphie wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

I didn't think it was much harder, alot of guildies talking about it but still soloable. I think leave it, its a better challenge. Saying it breaks the strategy is wrong, it just breaks your strategy so you have to change is all. Hard is good

Try solo a level 5 ressource as a magicka build...

Soul tether/eye of potato on flag. Ez

Do it on former Azuras and we discuss it?

ThyIronFist

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

I log in almost every day Ackwalan.

I guess you earn enough money then to not even care about the state of Cyrodiil.

How is it even possible to mess stuff like this up where even basic worker npcs can heal, negate, etc. Wtf? And why, after 3 years, does it still take weeks if not months to fix broken crap in Cyrodiil...?

RMerlin

ThyIronFist wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

I log in almost every day Ackwalan.

I guess you earn enough money then to not even care about the state of Cyrodiil.

How is it even possible to mess stuff like this up where even basic worker npcs can heal, negate, etc. Wtf? And why, after 3 years, does it still take weeks if not months to fix broken crap in Cyrodiil...?

In Brian's defense, I would blame the QA department first rather than the lead PvP developer. I assume his primary task is to design, and the actual implementation is done by someone else (correct me if I'm wrong).

Bug reports are not being properly investigated/prioritized by QA. That's an issue IMHO.

gp1680

rmerlb16_ESO wrote: »

ThyIronFist wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

I log in almost every day Ackwalan.

I guess you earn enough money then to not even care about the state of Cyrodiil.

How is it even possible to mess stuff like this up where even basic worker npcs can heal, negate, etc. Wtf? And why, after 3 years, does it still take weeks if not months to fix broken crap in Cyrodiil...?

In Brian's defense, I would blame the QA department first rather than the lead PvP developer. I assume his primary task is to design, and the actual implementation is done by someone else (correct me if I'm wrong).

Bug reports are not being properly investigated/prioritized by QA. That's an issue IMHO.

While I'd like to believe it's all QA, Cyrodiil has been broke for well over a year on xbox. At some point, devs need to explain why it hasn't been fixed yet. This is the game they've designed. You'd think they'd have some "skin in the game" too.

IcyDeadPeople

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

I'm looking into this but on the workers in Cyrodiil I'm seeing no changes in their ability lists for the past 6 months. Can you give us some more information such as the resource defense level and production level?

I have observed Quartermasters and regular workers casting a lot of magic abilities that they never used before. They are using Negate, Crystal Fragments, Eclipse. Previously they would only throw dagger at me.

This seems to happen more at certain resources. I will try to make a note of which ones.

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Joy_Division

Humphie wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

That's my point, it should be hard. Should we be able to solo it? Change / shake up is good. A new horizon of pvp warfare could be cool.

I'm Mag and soloed a few this morning, took some clever approach angles and some work tho but doable, or maybe Xbox isn't so bad

And yes, a ressource should be possible to solo. Even on no CP campaign

Then what is the point of there being defenders if they can be soloed even when players are nerfed?

Juli'St

...one worker resources - class: DK with Negate and Eclipse (templar)... ONE... at Alessia Mine

KILLING4ALIVING

Thelon wrote: »

we deserve better

I love this response from @ZOS_BrianWheeler, he admitted he didn't know about the issue, immediately checked it out, confirmed it wasn't working as intended, and started working on fixing it. I think he handled this problem exactly the way we deserve for it to be handled. He even explained why it had gone on unnoticed, because of issues with the new content, BGs LFG. Personally I hope they handle all bugs/broken gameplay issues like this. If you are talking about stuff like nerfing CP and regen skills to nothing, making BGs non-CP, and making two non-CP PVP campaigns and only one CP PVP when like 80% of the pop prefers CP, and charging 4000 crowns for mounts. Then I absolutely agree, we deserve better.


Honestly I thought this was an intention change, just another one of ZoS's recent bad pvp decisions.

olivesforge

I mean... we're really worrying about the resource guards being too hard? Really?

Whatever happened with the door-maker's strike?

This is simply making the game far too easy. It should take around 3 people to take a resource, but as it is I'm still sending out group members solo and encountering few problems. Just don't jump into a box of pain like a suicidal Cliff Racer and you'll be fine.

We need a new server easier than Blackwater/Sotha Sil for those who want to play the game on Settler level. Might I suggest:

Rianai

Solo play = hard mode. Zerging = easy mode. Guards being too strong promotes the latter ...

If people are looking for a PvE challenge, they can go somewhere else.

Drakkdjinn

NPCs have the same mechanics they did at launch, if you're new to ESO, get used to oversights and bugs being around since literally forever cuz they ain't gonna get fixed.