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technohic

DHale wrote: »

That is simple animation cancelling, trouble is try going under the bridge and trying that on any of the mentioned players. You will die and they will soak up the AP.

I don't think it's just animation canceling. That's different entirely. This is actually delaying damage to cause it all to come out at once as burst.

QuebraRegra

CavalryPK wrote: »

as a Magblade who has to start light attacking 5 times before I can properly line up my burst.. I am really jelly on what stambuilds are capable of... to be bale to pull of short bursts in such short amounts of time is amazing.

@ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_RichLambert @Wrobel , please give magblades something like this too!... I wanna be able to:

animation cancel heavy destro attack in to + spectral bow then ani cancel spectral bow to + swallow soul then any cancel swallow soul to + Soul tether the ani cancel soul tether to + impale....


OR OR OR .... Since we are able to fire off as many spectral bows as possible with in the 20 seconds... how about gives us the ability to store the spectral bow procs???? I can save up 2 spectal bows and then burst down targets in short durations... juuuust like those crazy stam builds....

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I'm sorry but GRIM FOCUS is still as clunky as ever to me, and more so now that I need an additional attack... The payoff as big as it looks on paper, just doesn't seem worth all the LAs need to proc it, then yet again another button press to trigger.

BTW, since were talking MAGBLADES, weren't they sposta improve cloak in this patch? Still busted as Oblivion.

rfennell_ESO

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Can we get comment on this exploit?

I think perma bans are in order, particularly if you invited any of these game abusers to HQ.

Nightwiish

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Can we get comment on this exploit?

I think perma bans are in order, particularly if you invited any of these game abusers to HQ.

What is the justification that this should result in a perma ban? There have been much much worse things people have done in this game that didn't result in a perma ban.

I am not sure if people refuse to accept it or simply don't understand it when I say this is done 100% Manually and by no means any third party programs, hacks, cheats were used. However, I do agree that it should be fixed. It's a bit too aggressive to call out for bans...

KingYogi415

People have been crying about this since the game started.

For the last time people ani-cancling in NOT cheating or exploiting.

Knowing how to do this won't win fights for you, it's just a start.

Sandman929

Nightwiish wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Can we get comment on this exploit?

I think perma bans are in order, particularly if you invited any of these game abusers to HQ.

What is the justification that this should result in a perma ban? There have been much much worse things people have done in this game that didn't result in a perma ban.

I am not sure if people refuse to accept it or simply don't understand it when I say this is done 100% Manually and by no means any third party programs, hacks, cheats were used. However, I do agree that it should be fixed. It's a bit too aggressive to call out for bans...

People were banned for gap closer exploiting...or at least they were threatened with it. Why is the defense of exploiting always that "worse things have happened"?

Nightwiish

Sandman929 wrote: »

People were banned for gap closer exploiting...or at least they were threatened with it. Why is the defense of exploiting always that "worse things have happened"?

You can't call this an exploit unless Zenimax blatantly states that it is. This is animation-cancelling on steroids and if this is an exploit so is animation cancelling.

Eirella

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Can we get comment on this exploit?

I think perma bans are in order, particularly if you invited any of these game abusers to HQ.

LOL, perma bans? That's cute

Sandman929

Nightwiish wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

People were banned for gap closer exploiting...or at least they were threatened with it. Why is the defense of exploiting always that "worse things have happened"?

You can't call this an exploit unless Zenimax blatantly states that it is. This is animation-cancelling on steroids and if this is an exploit so is animation cancelling.

Hmm...fair enough.

Sandman929

I'd love to see that discussion if they do call this an exploit...of course that would mean that they would actually comment on the issue, which they won't.

Rohamad_Ali

Sandman929 wrote: »

Nightwiish wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Can we get comment on this exploit?

I think perma bans are in order, particularly if you invited any of these game abusers to HQ.

What is the justification that this should result in a perma ban? There have been much much worse things people have done in this game that didn't result in a perma ban.

I am not sure if people refuse to accept it or simply don't understand it when I say this is done 100% Manually and by no means any third party programs, hacks, cheats were used. However, I do agree that it should be fixed. It's a bit too aggressive to call out for bans...

People were banned for gap closer exploiting...or at least they were threatened with it. Why is the defense of exploiting always that "worse things have happened"?

The bans for gap closing had nothing to do with animation canceling . Those were for bypassing sieges and getting on top of walls or through doors . Had nothing at all to do with this .

Nightwiish

Sandman929 wrote: »

I'd love to see that discussion if they do call this an exploit...of course that would mean that they would actually comment on the issue, which they won't.

What I would love to see of someone who records this on the receiving end and what it actually feels like. So if anyone is up for some recording tonight, holla at me

Sandman929

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Nightwiish wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Can we get comment on this exploit?

I think perma bans are in order, particularly if you invited any of these game abusers to HQ.

What is the justification that this should result in a perma ban? There have been much much worse things people have done in this game that didn't result in a perma ban.

I am not sure if people refuse to accept it or simply don't understand it when I say this is done 100% Manually and by no means any third party programs, hacks, cheats were used. However, I do agree that it should be fixed. It's a bit too aggressive to call out for bans...

People were banned for gap closer exploiting...or at least they were threatened with it. Why is the defense of exploiting always that "worse things have happened"?

The bans for gap closing had nothing to do with animation canceling . Those were for bypassing sieges and getting on top of walls or through doors . Had nothing at all to do with this .

The idea that this can't be an exploit because it doesn't require anything besides game mechanics to use was suggested. I brought it up because that didn't require anything additional (CE, Macros, etc) either and yet that was considered an exploit.

Rohamad_Ali

Sandman929 wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Nightwiish wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Can we get comment on this exploit?

I think perma bans are in order, particularly if you invited any of these game abusers to HQ.

What is the justification that this should result in a perma ban? There have been much much worse things people have done in this game that didn't result in a perma ban.

I am not sure if people refuse to accept it or simply don't understand it when I say this is done 100% Manually and by no means any third party programs, hacks, cheats were used. However, I do agree that it should be fixed. It's a bit too aggressive to call out for bans...

People were banned for gap closer exploiting...or at least they were threatened with it. Why is the defense of exploiting always that "worse things have happened"?

The bans for gap closing had nothing to do with animation canceling . Those were for bypassing sieges and getting on top of walls or through doors . Had nothing at all to do with this .

The idea that this can't be an exploit because it doesn't require anything besides game mechanics to use was suggested. I brought it up because that didn't require anything additional (CE, Macros, etc) either and yet that was considered an exploit.

But this has been openly embraced by ZoS . ZoS encouraged animation canceling . Wrobel went as far as publicly stating it . The OP is not showing any exploit but actually being helpful to help people understand how far animation canceling go . I would look at this as a gift . Complaints should be directed towards ZoS not the OP .

Sandman929

Nightwiish wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

I'd love to see that discussion if they do call this an exploit...of course that would mean that they would actually comment on the issue, which they won't.

What I would love to see of someone who records this on the receiving end and what it actually feels like. So if anyone is up for some recording tonight, holla at me

That would make for good footage, side by side. I suspect it looks like the Snipe flavor where you're ok, and then you're suddenly stunned and dead by Snipe spam.

Sandman929

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Nightwiish wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Can we get comment on this exploit?

I think perma bans are in order, particularly if you invited any of these game abusers to HQ.

What is the justification that this should result in a perma ban? There have been much much worse things people have done in this game that didn't result in a perma ban.

I am not sure if people refuse to accept it or simply don't understand it when I say this is done 100% Manually and by no means any third party programs, hacks, cheats were used. However, I do agree that it should be fixed. It's a bit too aggressive to call out for bans...

People were banned for gap closer exploiting...or at least they were threatened with it. Why is the defense of exploiting always that "worse things have happened"?

The bans for gap closing had nothing to do with animation canceling . Those were for bypassing sieges and getting on top of walls or through doors . Had nothing at all to do with this .

The idea that this can't be an exploit because it doesn't require anything besides game mechanics to use was suggested. I brought it up because that didn't require anything additional (CE, Macros, etc) either and yet that was considered an exploit.

But this has been openly embraced by ZoS . ZoS encouraged animation canceling . Wrobel went as far as publicly stating it . The OP is not showing any exploit but actually being helpful to help people understand how far animation canceling go . I would look at this as a gift . Complaints should be directed towards ZoS not the OP .

I already accepted the line of reasoning that this is just the extreme of an accepted mechanic. Still it just feels like something ZOS wouldn't like...having skills like this hit all at once.
I guess I'll just be right over here on the edge of my seat to see if any comment at all happens.

Alcast

Nightwiish wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

this stuff did not happen before theyy changed the animations.

Hey @Alcast big fan man

It's like a wave of skill input. If you catch it at the right time, stuff becomes invisible...

Every patch I tell them to revert the Animation canceling changes. Since they changed it we get:

1. Stuck is **** animation all the time
2. Macroslices

before we did not have those issues. But I guess they know better..... ><

Waffennacht

Alcast wrote: »

Nightwiish wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

this stuff did not happen before theyy changed the animations.

Hey @Alcast big fan man

It's like a wave of skill input. If you catch it at the right time, stuff becomes invisible...

Every patch I tell them to revert the Animation canceling changes. Since they changed it we get:

1. Stuck is **** animation all the time
2. Macroslices

before we did not have those issues. But I guess they know better..... ><

You're gonna make me a fan

OdinForge

Alcast wrote: »

Nightwiish wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

this stuff did not happen before theyy changed the animations.

Hey @Alcast big fan man

It's like a wave of skill input. If you catch it at the right time, stuff becomes invisible...

Every patch I tell them to revert the Animation canceling changes. Since they changed it we get:

1. Stuck is **** animation all the time
2. Macroslices

before we did not have those issues. But I guess they know better..... ><

We got these changes in DB, because people kept complaining about AC before DB. How AC used to work before DB was far better than what we got after (wrecking blow being an outlier). In fact a lot of animation things not even relating to AC felt more responsive, now simply dismounting a horse feels sluggish.

Nightwiish wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

I'd love to see that discussion if they do call this an exploit...of course that would mean that they would actually comment on the issue, which they won't.

What I would love to see of someone who records this on the receiving end and what it actually feels like. So if anyone is up for some recording tonight, holla at me

If you play NA I'll record what it looks like on the other end. My @name is the same as my forum name if that's the case.

Nightwiish

OdinForge wrote: »

If you play NA I'll record what it looks like on the other end. My @name is the same as my forum name if that's the case.

Sweet. I will be on later tonight around 7:00 pm EST. I will send you a tell.

KingYogi415

Lowering the skill cap would only ruin the game.

If your crying about this please just L2P, or go back hello kity island adventure. I don't care which.

Cheers!

Nightwiish

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Lowering the skill cap would only ruin the game.

If your crying about this please just L2P, or go back hello kity island adventure. I don't care which.

Cheers!

How does skill cap anything to do with being able make animations invisible by macro slicing?

I am all for hard to master games and high skill cap but what you can produce at the moment by macroslicing is just absurd...

rfennell_ESO

Nightwiish wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Can we get comment on this exploit?

I think perma bans are in order, particularly if you invited any of these game abusers to HQ.

What is the justification that this should result in a perma ban? There have been much much worse things people have done in this game that didn't result in a perma ban.

I am not sure if people refuse to accept it or simply don't understand it when I say this is done 100% Manually and by no means any third party programs, hacks, cheats were used. However, I do agree that it should be fixed. It's a bit too aggressive to call out for bans...

Lol I just stir up the pot when I think something good is cooking.

KingYogi415

Macroslice is a misleading title. It's like calling someone a meta player. It's jargon that means very little.

Sure any pc scrub can macro this like any other skill or rotation, but for good players this would only hinder their play.

Here is complexities of the combat system being handed to you guys on a silver platter and all you do QQ for a nerf.

unbelievable how ungrateful you scrubs are.

Wreuntzylla

Alcast wrote: »

this stuff did not happen before theyy changed the animations.

Sure it did. Or at least a version of it.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/203558/wrecking-blow-animation-cancelled-heavy-attack

technohic wrote: »

DHale wrote: »

That is simple animation cancelling, trouble is try going under the bridge and trying that on any of the mentioned players. You will die and they will soak up the AP.

I don't think it's just animation canceling. That's different entirely. This is actually delaying damage to cause it all to come out at once as burst.

Need damage logs with timestamps. Either the damage is all landing at the same time, or the animation glitch causes the other player's health bar to de-synch.

If you watch the sequence of events with Fengrush and the horse, he lays it on the ground and just keeps on it from the rear. But the rider still has full health until just before the weapon animations play, and both happen about a second after Fengrush puts the horse out of its misery.

Nightwiish wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Can we get comment on this exploit?

I think perma bans are in order, particularly if you invited any of these game abusers to HQ.

What is the justification that this should result in a perma ban? There have been much much worse things people have done in this game that didn't result in a perma ban.

I am not sure if people refuse to accept it or simply don't understand it when I say this is done 100% Manually and by no means any third party programs, hacks, cheats were used. However, I do agree that it should be fixed. It's a bit too aggressive to call out for bans...

I can cancel really well, just have a knack for it. Still, I am in awe of players who can bunny hop backwards, uphill, from boulder to boulder, while keeping the game camera level and still putting out multiple animation cancelling sequences. I simply can't do that no matter how I arrange my buttons.

As an aside, EU players made lots of comments about the flawless animation cancelling of one NA streamer who rolled on EU to duel. Apparently, no EU player could do the same in the laggy environment. Clearly, NA has a higher skill pool than EU!

KingYogi415

The guy in the video saw the wrecking blow windup and did not block dodgeroll or mitagate the damage in any way. So he got wrecked.

That simple.

Wreuntzylla

Nightwiish wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Lowering the skill cap would only ruin the game.

If your crying about this please just L2P, or go back hello kity island adventure. I don't care which.

Cheers!

How does skill cap anything to do with being able make animations invisible by macro slicing?

I am all for hard to master games and high skill cap but what you can produce at the moment by macroslicing is just absurd...

What, are you crazy? Pushing buttons in an easy,repeatable manner is much harder than recognizing one animation from among thousands and instantly responding appropriately.

Nightwiish

KingYogi415 wrote: »

The guy in the video saw the wrecking blow windup and did not block dodgeroll or mitagate the damage in any way. So he got wrecked.

That simple.

No it's not that simple. The guy in the video obviously just standing there so I can demostrate what I am trying to show.

I can assure you, I am having a lot of fun with this in BGs mostly top kills and dmg. You have no idea when you are fighting 2v2v2, 3v3v3, 4v4v4 that someone can do this to you and you are dead in 2-3 secs max...

Ultimate_Overlord

Horrible reaction speed - a secret all scrubs dont admit. smiley face

the_broo11

Alcast wrote: »

Nightwiish wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

this stuff did not happen before theyy changed the animations.

Hey @Alcast big fan man

It's like a wave of skill input. If you catch it at the right time, stuff becomes invisible...

Every patch I tell them to revert the Animation canceling changes. Since they changed it we get:

1. Stuck is **** animation all the time
2. Macroslices

before we did not have those issues. But I guess they know better..... ><

This^

So sick of being stuck in the crit rush/stampede animation.