One CP campaign is ripping my guild apart

Nermy

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

These guys play for faction and want another reason to fight thats not endlessly fragging people for no reason.

Thanks @AbraXuSeXile .

We were talking about this last night and about how Cyrodiil has got ignored for the last year or more. The last major change we got were the spawnable towns. Great.

What has become apparent from all this is how much our members are Pact loyal. They love it. They don't want to be cross-faction.

And for all those of you who think it's a crap rule, I may be the leader but it's my member's guild and if they want the rule to stay. Then stay it will.

Rahotu

While it's nice to see a sense of loyalty in rvr situations,this game has gone past that,so all I can say is you can take some positives for having such decent players as officers to start with,and yes friends,but the game rolls on and it IS JUST GAME,it sounds trite and overused,
but the reality doesn't change. factions are just a bunch of similar people competing,stay in touch and enjoy the battles

Nermy

Rahotu wrote: »

While it's nice to see a sense of loyalty in rvr situations,this game has gone past that,so all I can say is you can take some positives for having such decent players as officers to start with,and yes friends,but the game rolls on and it IS JUST GAME,it sounds trite and overused,
but the reality doesn't change. factions are just a bunch of similar people competing,stay in touch and enjoy the battles

Oh, I know it's just a game and all the loot is just pixels at the end of the day but people need something to band together with a shared belief. If it's the Pact and killing DC and AD, so be it. It gives that added extra fun to fighting in Cyro.

Turelus

Nermy wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

These guys play for faction and want another reason to fight thats not endlessly fragging people for no reason.

And for all those of you who think it's a crap rule, I may be the leader but it's my member's guild and if they want the rule to stay. Then stay it will.

You won't earn the title of Egotistical Totalitarian *** Leader with that kind of attitude! Rule with an iron fist Nermy!

I think I stopped bringing anything productive to this thread after page 1.

Rahotu wrote: »

While it's nice to see a sense of loyalty in rvr situations,this game has gone past that,so all I can say is you can take some positives for having such decent players as officers to start with,and yes friends,but the game rolls on and it IS JUST GAME,it sounds trite and overused,
but the reality doesn't change. factions are just a bunch of similar people competing,stay in touch and enjoy the battles

I leant this long ago in EVE Online, and it's why when I've ever spoken to Abraxus here (NOTICE ME SENPAI!) I've done so with respect because he's just another gamer no matter how heated and frustrating some of our fights were.
Sometimes guilds have rules which mean you won't be the right fit for that guild, however that doesn't mean you can't be friends or respectful to the people in it.

AbraXuSeXile

Nermy wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

These guys play for faction and want another reason to fight thats not endlessly fragging people for no reason.

Thanks @AbraXuSeXile .

We were talking about this last night and about how Cyrodiil has got ignored for the last year or more. The last major change we got were the spawnable towns. Great.

What has become apparent from all this is how much our members are Pact loyal. They love it. They don't want to be cross-faction.

And for all those of you who think it's a crap rule, I may be the leader but it's my member's guild and if they want the rule to stay. Then stay it will.

A few year ago i would be like get rekt, im going soft lol.

Rahotu

again for me it's like 'just let it play out' if you have certain tactics you think your ex guildmates can play on,change them (assuming they would,and they probly should),but the general rule stays the same just enjoy the fights,is there anything in cyrodiil betond the battle that matters?

Rahotu

Nermy wrote: »

Rahotu wrote: »

While it's nice to see a sense of loyalty in rvr situations,this game has gone past that,so all I can say is you can take some positives for having such decent players as officers to start with,and yes friends,but the game rolls on and it IS JUST GAME,it sounds trite and overused,
but the reality doesn't change. factions are just a bunch of similar people competing,stay in touch and enjoy the battles

Oh, I know it's just a game and all the loot is just pixels at the end of the day but people need something to band together with a shared belief. If it's the Pact and killing DC and AD, so be it. It gives that added extra fun to fighting in Cyro.

I wasn't meaning the pixels and certainly not about the 'killing' I was more about the fact you lost people you clearly liked and possibly respected due to the fact you gave them the (unenviable) job of 'officer',i was just hoping at some stage the conversation could be about actual people not some 'sims xenophobia' construct,it's a game that reflects our basic personalities and sometimes loyalty is more about the way you play,not who you get made to play with

Rahotu

and yes by 'you' I should have said 'we' my apologies

Turelus

Rahotu wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

Rahotu wrote: »

While it's nice to see a sense of loyalty in rvr situations,this game has gone past that,so all I can say is you can take some positives for having such decent players as officers to start with,and yes friends,but the game rolls on and it IS JUST GAME,it sounds trite and overused,
but the reality doesn't change. factions are just a bunch of similar people competing,stay in touch and enjoy the battles

Oh, I know it's just a game and all the loot is just pixels at the end of the day but people need something to band together with a shared belief. If it's the Pact and killing DC and AD, so be it. It gives that added extra fun to fighting in Cyro.

I wasn't meaning the pixels and certainly not about the 'killing' I was more about the fact you lost people you clearly liked and possibly respected due to the fact you gave them the (unenviable) job of 'officer',i was just hoping at some stage the conversation could be about actual people not some 'sims xenophobia' construct,it's a game that reflects our basic personalities and sometimes loyalty is more about the way you play,not who you get made to play with

Trying to make a guild which caters to two opposing ideals will end up causing drama, arguments and fragmenting the members into groups or causing people to leave any way. (I should know, because this was literally one of my issues I had to deal with in my term as Wabbajacks leader).

Now having members even officers leave is never a pleasant thing, but again I fall back to my points on page 1.
If members are leaving because of other friends/guilds/factions they probably were not that dedicated to your guild. That doesn't make them terrible people, enemies or need to be cause for the end of a friendship, it simply means you're interested in different things and need to agree to a parting.

As an example I left Wabbajack well over a year ago now, I'm not interested in rejoining because it doesn't match my interests (I won't dedicate to PvP enough) and I left on some bad terms with some members.
However I've been nothing but respectful and praising of the guild, I've raided with them from time to time and continued friendships with members I become close friends with.

The way I would do things is very different to how others would and that's fine, there doesn't need to be one guild which does everything everyone wants, that's why we have choices and multiple guilds.
I don't speak for or have any influence over Wabbajack (and I am very happy with it being that way), my ideas don't even suit the guild but I come here and give my opinions of how I personally see the issues based on my 15 odd years of MMO gaming (damn I am old now).

The main thing is you just play the game and have fun, take a mature understanding that not everyone will think or play like you do (or want) and put that aside to share a cold beer and some fun stories.
Life is far too short to have to deal with us vs them and drama in video games, we have enough of that in the real world.

Any way I am off topic and waffling at this point so I'll shut up.

Nermy

Turelus wrote: »

Trying to make a guild which caters to two opposing ideals will end up causing drama, arguments and fragmenting the members into groups or causing people to leave any way. (I should know, because this was literally one of my issues I had to deal with in my term as Wabbajacks leader).

Now having members even officers leave is never a pleasant thing, but again I fall back to my points on page 1.
If members are leaving because of other friends/guilds/factions they probably were not that dedicated to your guild. That doesn't make them terrible people, enemies or need to be cause for the end of a friendship, it simply means you're interested in different things and need to agree to a parting.

As an example I left Wabbajack well over a year ago now, I'm not interested in rejoining because it doesn't match my interests (I won't dedicate to PvP enough) and I left on some bad terms with some members.
However I've been nothing but respectful and praising of the guild, I've raided with them from time to time and continued friendships with members I become close friends with.

The way I would do things is very different to how others would and that's fine, there doesn't need to be one guild which does everything everyone wants, that's why we have choices and multiple guilds.
I don't speak for or have any influence over Wabbajack (and I am very happy with it being that way), my ideas don't even suit the guild but I come here and give my opinions of how I personally see the issues based on my 15 odd years of MMO gaming (damn I am old now).

The main thing is you just play the game and have fun, take a mature understanding that not everyone will think or play like you do (or want) and put that aside to share a cold beer and some fun stories.
Life is far too short to have to deal with us vs them and drama in video games, we have enough of that in the real world.

Any way I am off topic and waffling at this point so I'll shut up.

I just clicked 'agree' for the last sentence.

Turelus

Nermy wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Trying to make a guild which caters to two opposing ideals will end up causing drama, arguments and fragmenting the members into groups or causing people to leave any way. (I should know, because this was literally one of my issues I had to deal with in my term as Wabbajacks leader).

Now having members even officers leave is never a pleasant thing, but again I fall back to my points on page 1.
If members are leaving because of other friends/guilds/factions they probably were not that dedicated to your guild. That doesn't make them terrible people, enemies or need to be cause for the end of a friendship, it simply means you're interested in different things and need to agree to a parting.

As an example I left Wabbajack well over a year ago now, I'm not interested in rejoining because it doesn't match my interests (I won't dedicate to PvP enough) and I left on some bad terms with some members.
However I've been nothing but respectful and praising of the guild, I've raided with them from time to time and continued friendships with members I become close friends with.

The way I would do things is very different to how others would and that's fine, there doesn't need to be one guild which does everything everyone wants, that's why we have choices and multiple guilds.
I don't speak for or have any influence over Wabbajack (and I am very happy with it being that way), my ideas don't even suit the guild but I come here and give my opinions of how I personally see the issues based on my 15 odd years of MMO gaming (damn I am old now).

The main thing is you just play the game and have fun, take a mature understanding that not everyone will think or play like you do (or want) and put that aside to share a cold beer and some fun stories.
Life is far too short to have to deal with us vs them and drama in video games, we have enough of that in the real world.

Any way I am off topic and waffling at this point so I'll shut up.

I just clicked 'agree' for the last sentence.

Jerk. I'm removing you from my friends list now.

Nermy

Turelus wrote: »

Jerk. I'm removing you from my friends list now.

You can try but I have yer phone number! Muwhahahahahaa...

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. Wabbajack is going strong again and we have put this behind us. Everyone who left are still on my friends list, well, almost all. There are no hard feelings and I welcome fighting them anytime. In fact we have 'Wanted' posters for all of them with a reward to 5k gold for the KB.

Wabbajack will continue to be pact loyal as that is what the members want. And so do I.

Nermy

We had our weekly guild meeting last night and apart from 2 members, no-one had played on the 'otherside'. And of those two, 1 did it do he could see what the DC gates looked like and the other so he could have a laugh at a certain AD pug leader on Vivec.

So it's as you were for Wabbajack.

BLOOD FOR THE PACT!!

Turelus

Nermy wrote: »

We had our weekly guild meeting last night and apart from 2 members, no-one had played on the 'otherside'. And of those two, 1 did it do he could see what the DC gates looked like and the other so he could have a laugh at a certain AD pug leader on Vivec.

So it's as you were for Wabbajack.

What happened to my no smack/trolling rules? What have you done to my guild!?

Glad to hear things are working out though, way the crazy guild live on always.

Nermy

Turelus wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

We had our weekly guild meeting last night and apart from 2 members, no-one had played on the 'otherside'. And of those two, 1 did it do he could see what the DC gates looked like and the other so he could have a laugh at a certain AD pug leader on Vivec.

So it's as you were for Wabbajack.

What happened to my no smack/trolling rules? What have you done to my guild!?

Glad to hear things are working out though, way the crazy guild live on always.

Hehe... He was only reporting back to us in guild chat the crap he was shouting in /z and followed him around Cyro. Was quite funny.

G0ku

Thanks Akatosh there are still some guilds out there who praise faction loyalty. The faction-*** grew too big the last weeks. Please keep your one faction policy.

Cogo

@Nermy

You are one of the powers for the Pact on the EU-Vivec server. You get things done. Keep it up!

I can see your problems and I've seen them in guilds in several MMOs. Guilds are people, which are unpredictable and you have as many different views as you have members.

Guilds are the sum of its members and what you all make of it. Sounds to me like you needed to discuss what to do.

Our guild only allows Pact main characters. Which only attracts pact players, so I cant advice here since it's never been a problem for us.

Glad to hear that Wabba keeps fighting for the pact and bleeds red only!
Not like some pathetic Elves who tries to hide their yellow stink behind "new" pact chars.

See ye on the battlefield!

Nermy

Cogo wrote: »

See ye on the battlefield!

@Cogo Thanks for your kind words. See you on the battlefield mate. RAWR!!!

Blood for the PACT!!

JDC1985

Its like this everywhere you have complete morons in charge that make stupid decisions about the game that don't even play it.

Turelus

JDC1985 wrote: »

Its like this everywhere you have complete morons in charge that make stupid decisions about the game that don't even play it.

The developers or the guild leaders?

Nermy

Turelus wrote: »

JDC1985 wrote: »

Its like this everywhere you have complete morons in charge that make stupid decisions about the game that don't even play it.

The developers or the guild leaders?

You don't want me to answer that...

Crom_CCCXVI

What has killed campaigns is the "No Faction Loyalty" not the opposite...

Before One Tamriel, if you were pushed to your gates... you had to fight back.
- now players just change to whichever side is winning.

The biggest lie in the game "When my alliance is winning, I like to switch to the other side for a challenge" , LOL. right. I play in a serious, one alliance only guild, more times than I can count we have fought guys on one color pushed them back and the next thing you know they are on another character standing beside you. It's stupid.


I'm not sure what is the biggest failure with Cyrodil... having only 1 CP campaign, or letting people play multiple alliances in the both campaign. They are both tragedies.

Nermy

Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »

What has killed campaigns is the "No Faction Loyalty" not the opposite...

Before One Tamriel, if you were pushed to your gates... you had to fight back.
- now players just change to whichever side is winning.

The biggest lie in the game "When my alliance is winning, I like to switch to the other side for a challenge" , LOL. right. I play in a serious, one alliance only guild, more times than I can count we have fought guys on one color pushed them back and the next thing you know they are on another character standing beside you. It's stupid.


I'm not sure what is the biggest failure with Cyrodil... having only 1 CP campaign, or letting people play multiple alliances in the both campaign. They are both tragedies.

I totally agree, that's why having alliance loyalty is so important to our guild. Even though EP are not the best alliance on EU Vivec, we still have our allegiances and while it may sound silly to some, it's important to people like you, me and my guild. You have probably seen the posts littering the forums calling for there to be faction loyalty - i.e. choose your side for the campaign and stick with it. A lot of people are against it but to me they are the casuals and those who always fight for the same faction are the true PvPers.

gpreid81

Stick to your guns not many loyal guilds or ppl about these days

gpreid81

So wabbajacks crisis might have just been resolved with the new cp campaign seems zos may listen after all

Balthyzar

Simple solution, stop using cp as a crutch in pvp. Cp is meant for pve. The only mistake zos made was leaving cp in a campaign at all. They should've just removed it from all pvp in one shot. Zos left a cp campaign in to help you wean off it but instead you all flock to it like a bunch of junkies. The entire premise of this thread is unfounded and ridiculous.

Nermy

Balthyzar wrote: »

Simple solution, stop using cp as a crutch in pvp. Cp is meant for pve. The only mistake zos made was leaving cp in a campaign at all. They should've just removed it from all pvp in one shot. Zos left a cp campaign in to help you wean off it but instead you all flock to it like a bunch of junkies. The entire premise of this thread is unfounded and ridiculous.

In your opinion...

gpreid81

Balthyzar wrote: »

Simple solution, stop using cp as a crutch in pvp. Cp is meant for pve. The only mistake zos made was leaving cp in a campaign at all. They should've just removed it from all pvp in one shot. Zos left a cp campaign in to help you wean off it but instead you all flock to it like a bunch of junkies. The entire premise of this thread is unfounded and ridiculous.

Forget wean they shouldn't have implemented it at all if this is the case but they so a lot of us enjoy cp campaign and not pve campaign we flock you cower in non cp because it's to hard don't blame the lag for playing non cp it's everywhere :-o

geonsocal

something one of the large guilds I belong to did something which i really appreciated:

they listed a specific night for group guild pvp play in the guild notes...

as someone whom has multiple characters in all three factions (all on the same map) - I really appreciated that information...

easy enough to make sure I'm wearing the right colors on that specific night of the week...

Magıc

Faction loyalty lol.