Whats the tank meta now?

devilsTear

Hi all, i have been out of the pve loop since I think shadows of the hist I think and I wanna get into tanking hm vet trials and leaderboard runs..
The thing is I don't really know what's good gear and what's expected of a tank nowadays and with morrowind dropping soon for me ( I play on ps4) I was hoping I could get some advice on this
I'm a imperial dk max CP points.

Narvuntien

All the health.
Green pact and plauge doctor.

The morrowind changes mean that you don't return more resources by having a higher resource pool just make sure to have slightly more stamina than magicka so all the abilities return stamina.

devilsTear

Narvuntien wrote: »

All the health.
Green pact and plauge doctor.

The morrowind changes mean that you don't return more resources by having a higher resource pool just make sure to have slightly more stamina than magicka so all the abilities return stamina.

I better get it now then before prices shoot up in morrowind
And what about traits? Reinforced big pieces with sturdy small pieces?

FlyLionel

All sturdyyyy babyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Personofsecrets

@ettenmoor ,

Sorry, but I missed the conclusion of our discussion about warrior poet vs green pact.

I remember that you said the only difference was total HP pool, but what set ended up giving the higher HP pool?

paulsimonps

FlyLionel wrote: »

All sturdyyyy babyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Hell yeah!

Narvuntien wrote: »

All the health.
Green pact and plauge doctor.

The morrowind changes mean that you don't return more resources by having a higher resource pool just make sure to have slightly more stamina than magicka so all the abilities return stamina.

Dungeons perhaps but I don't think you are gonna be all that popular in Trials if neither you nor the other tank run Ebon. Especially in the new trial, where there is AoE's ALL OVER, and that really hurts even on Normal. You will want that Ebon in the group, and who better than the tank to run it.

Personally I go with Ebon and Torugs Pact on my Warden Tank. Working really well. Its not the same as Alkosh but I can make it into whatever I want, which is really nice, and its still a great single target debuff with the Crusher enchant. And Torugs Pact+Infused weapons gives the crusher enchant the possibility to have a 100% up time or close to it if done right and its strength goes up to around 2500+ in Resistance debuff. So the increased strenght plus amazing uptime gives it a good value for running it. And it has at least 2 other bonuses on torugs helps you as the tank, the Health and the spell resistance.

I get the whole big health rush and I changed my attributes too and even started using food that gave me Hp and Magicka recovery instead of Tri Food. So I am running with a lot more HP. But again if you do Ebon and say Plauge Doctor that would not be bad either. Cause as a DK you would give out much stronger Damage shields, so if you are not worried about Buffing damage to the team then go that. But again the Ebon is not something you want to over look with all that AoE going around.

SquareSausage

So with the large HP pool tanks will now have, is it expected to drop block occasionaly to allow heavy attacks, obv timed well.

devilsTear

I got ebon all ready right now with tava's and bloodspawn, I was told to go for ebon alkosh bloodspawn for hm vet trials..
So should I go with that or green pact and plaque doctor? I'm not planning to do much vet dungeons with him.

WalksonGraves

ebon/alkosh is for raids they both suck in a 4 man.

Autolycus

SquareSausage wrote: »

So with the large HP pool tanks will now have, is it expected to drop block occasionaly to allow heavy attacks, obv timed well.

No, for the most part, I'm not letting block down. I'm still effectively permablocking but there is absolutely nothing wrong with doing a heavy attack from time to time. A lot of the fights in HoF allow ample time for the occasional heavy attack, and I do one sometimes just because I can and it's free resources if mechanics allow for it.

I'm currently running with 55k hp and 18k of each magicka and stamina (Warden).

SquareSausage

Autolycus wrote: »

SquareSausage wrote: »

So with the large HP pool tanks will now have, is it expected to drop block occasionaly to allow heavy attacks, obv timed well.

No, for the most part, I'm not letting block down. I'm still effectively permablocking but there is absolutely nothing wrong with doing a heavy attack from time to time. A lot of the fights in HoF allow ample time for the occasional heavy attack, and I do one sometimes just because I can and it's free resources if mechanics allow for it.

I'm currently running with 55k hp and 18k of each magicka and stamina (Warden).

Alrighty.
Are you running both plague and green pact?

Always lol when people type plaque doctor, so like em, a dentist haha.

paulsimonps

Autolycus wrote: »

SquareSausage wrote: »

So with the large HP pool tanks will now have, is it expected to drop block occasionaly to allow heavy attacks, obv timed well.

No, for the most part, I'm not letting block down. I'm still effectively permablocking but there is absolutely nothing wrong with doing a heavy attack from time to time. A lot of the fights in HoF allow ample time for the occasional heavy attack, and I do one sometimes just because I can and it's free resources if mechanics allow for it.

I'm currently running with 55k hp and 18k of each magicka and stamina (Warden).

@Autolycus
What food are you using? I have started playing around with Orzoga's Forthgar, the Max HP and Magicka recovery is amazing now that max stats doesn't really help all that much. What are your thoughts?

Autolycus

paulsimonps wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

SquareSausage wrote: »

So with the large HP pool tanks will now have, is it expected to drop block occasionaly to allow heavy attacks, obv timed well.

No, for the most part, I'm not letting block down. I'm still effectively permablocking but there is absolutely nothing wrong with doing a heavy attack from time to time. A lot of the fights in HoF allow ample time for the occasional heavy attack, and I do one sometimes just because I can and it's free resources if mechanics allow for it.

I'm currently running with 55k hp and 18k of each magicka and stamina (Warden).

@Autolycus
What food are you using? I have started playing around with Orzoga's Forthgar, the Max HP and Magicka recovery is amazing now that max stats doesn't really help all that much. What are your thoughts?

@paulsimonps
I considered doing the same thing but haven't tried using it yet. At first I was going to use Orzorga's Bear Haunch for tri-recovery and max health. But I'm not having recovery issues, so I'm still using purple tri-stat food for all max stats and no recovery.

devilsTear

So for dk alkosh and ebon are still king or is it plague doctor green pact

SienneYviete

devilsTear wrote: »

So for dk alkosh and ebon are still king or is it plague doctor green pact

It depends, the old craglorn trials plus VMOL main tank is ebon, alkosh and offtank powerful assault, alkosh. In vmol though some main tanks run ebon, plague doctor for bigger group shields.

VHOF is the only trial thus far pushing the health tank meta (plague doctor, green pact, warrior poet etc) which is fun but tbh the amount of sets and constant attribute and cp adjustments for trial swapping is getting annoying.

paulsimonps

SienneYviete wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

So for dk alkosh and ebon are still king or is it plague doctor green pact

It depends, the old craglorn trials plus VMOL main tank is ebon, alkosh and offtank powerful assault, alkosh. In vmol though some main tanks run ebon, plague doctor for bigger group shields.

VHOF is the only trial thus far pushing the health tank meta (plague doctor, green pact, warrior poet etc) which is fun but tbh the amount of sets and constant attribute and cp adjustments for trial swapping is getting annoying.

I would not consider Warrior Poet a good set at all. It gives a buff that well formed groups gives out all the time. And if you have a Warden healer even if horn goes down you will still have the buff for the health part up. The set is useless in trial situations.

Betsararie

Ebon. Bloodspawn.

That's what my imp tank is wearing. He's still a WIP though.

Imp still undoubtedly the best tanking race

paulsimonps

Blanco wrote: »

Ebon. Bloodspawn.

That's what my imp tank is wearing. He's still a WIP though.

Imp still undoubtedly the best tanking race

I would actually consider Argonian master race for Tanking. Max Health, Healing Received/Done, All 3 resources back when using any potion and for vSO they got Disease and Poison resist. Which now that I think of it also helps against the Spheres on the first boss of Halls.

SienneYviete

paulsimonps wrote: »

SienneYviete wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

So for dk alkosh and ebon are still king or is it plague doctor green pact

It depends, the old craglorn trials plus VMOL main tank is ebon, alkosh and offtank powerful assault, alkosh. In vmol though some main tanks run ebon, plague doctor for bigger group shields.

VHOF is the only trial thus far pushing the health tank meta (plague doctor, green pact, warrior poet etc) which is fun but tbh the amount of sets and constant attribute and cp adjustments for trial swapping is getting annoying.

I would not consider Warrior Poet a good set at all. It gives a buff that well formed groups gives out all the time. And if you have a Warden healer even if horn goes down you will still have the buff for the health part up. The set is useless in trial situations.

Agreed however it's easy and cheap to get a hold of right now for people struggling with farming green pact or the ridiculous prices people are asking.

Oompuh

Basically I see two metas in Morrowind. Both revolve around Max Health, but the choice is how you manage your resources. On one side you have passive magicka management. Atro mundus stone and magicka recovery monster sets that boost your magicka up which you convert to stam. Secondly, you have active magicka management. Using health mundus with health or other monster sets and using Balance to recover your Magicka. Traits, enchants, sometimes Monster set will be mostly personal preference but that seems to be the dividing line in the meta that I've seen.

This is a DK Meta only. other classes dont really have these options

Betsararie

paulsimonps wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Ebon. Bloodspawn.

That's what my imp tank is wearing. He's still a WIP though.

Imp still undoubtedly the best tanking race

I would actually consider Argonian master race for Tanking. Max Health, Healing Received/Done, All 3 resources back when using any potion and for vSO they got Disease and Poison resist. Which now that I think of it also helps against the Spheres on the first boss of Halls.

lol. Imperials have waayy more health and stam. Potion passive is overrated IMHO and you wouldn't need it if you had resources in the first place.

Argonian are garbage

WalksonGraves

Blanco wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Ebon. Bloodspawn.

That's what my imp tank is wearing. He's still a WIP though.

Imp still undoubtedly the best tanking race

I would actually consider Argonian master race for Tanking. Max Health, Healing Received/Done, All 3 resources back when using any potion and for vSO they got Disease and Poison resist. Which now that I think of it also helps against the Spheres on the first boss of Halls.

lol. Imperials have waayy more health and stam. Potion passive is overrated IMHO and you wouldn't need it if you had resources in the first place.

Argonian are garbage

Someone is angry red diamond is worthless, only jealousy could explain you calling the best race garbage. Tri stat pots ftw.

SienneYviete

Blanco wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Ebon. Bloodspawn.

That's what my imp tank is wearing. He's still a WIP though.

Imp still undoubtedly the best tanking race

I would actually consider Argonian master race for Tanking. Max Health, Healing Received/Done, All 3 resources back when using any potion and for vSO they got Disease and Poison resist. Which now that I think of it also helps against the Spheres on the first boss of Halls.

lol. Imperials have waayy more health and stam. Potion passive is overrated IMHO and you wouldn't need it if you had resources in the first place.

Argonian are garbage

Wow no, god no. Imperials were bis pre Morrowind but with the current resource changes Argonian is undeniably a better option.

Oompuh

Blanco wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Ebon. Bloodspawn.

That's what my imp tank is wearing. He's still a WIP though.

Imp still undoubtedly the best tanking race

I would actually consider Argonian master race for Tanking. Max Health, Healing Received/Done, All 3 resources back when using any potion and for vSO they got Disease and Poison resist. Which now that I think of it also helps against the Spheres on the first boss of Halls.

lol. Imperials have waayy more health and stam. Potion passive is overrated IMHO and you wouldn't need it if you had resources in the first place.

Argonian are garbage

3% more health is cool but with the low stam pools we have in Morrowind, 10% of not a lot is still not a lot. The Potion passive is very good and can get you full resources from 0. Plus 5% healing received and doneis nothing to blow off. I'm not race changing from Khajiit, but If i were to make a tank now... Argonian 100%.

Betsararie

lol. The only way I'd roll an argonian is if I converted my dk imperial to a pvp build but I have not looked into that too much.

Imperial tanking still works well enough.

Autolycus

Blanco wrote: »

lol. The only way I'd roll an argonian is if I converted my dk imperial to a pvp build but I have not looked into that too much.

Imperial tanking still works well enough.

Yeah but "well enough" =/= meta. Lots of things are viable but there will always be a "best" choice, and sometimes that changes when new content releases.

Betsararie

I know Argonians are BiS after the 'CRAP'owind update but I'm just saying Imperials still tank fine.

Guess we'll see more goofy argonians running around town now you can thank ZOS for that. lol

bebynnag

xbox player here
tanking question - sorry for hijack

just dropped (another) infused maelstrom mace, was about to deconstruct it but i wondered if if could now be usefull in certain situations,
cant test it myself for another week - so anyone have any opinions on this, or should i just decon it?

Oompuh

Blanco wrote: »

I know Argonians are BiS after the 'CRAP'owind update but I'm just saying Imperials still tank fine.

Guess we'll see more goofy argonians running around town now you can thank ZOS for that. lol

We're not saying Imperial is trash. Probably second best. Argonian is number 1 though, not garbage.. as you said. As I said, I'm a Khajiit and I wont change that, but thats no reason to go around saying Argonian is garbage

paulsimonps

Oompuh wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

I know Argonians are BiS after the 'CRAP'owind update but I'm just saying Imperials still tank fine.

Guess we'll see more goofy argonians running around town now you can thank ZOS for that. lol

We're not saying Imperial is trash. Probably second best. Argonian is number 1 though, not garbage.. as you said. As I said, I'm a Khajiit and I wont change that, but thats no reason to go around saying Argonian is garbage

This, I play dunmer on both my DK and Warden Tank. But argonian are BiS, not Imperials. But tanking is the most lenient role when it comes to race choice. You can be whatever and it will still work just fine. Unlike DPS where race choice has a large impact on sustain and DPS. Healers are in the middle but I prefer it when my healers are Bretons or Argonians.

paulsimonps

puffytheslayer wrote: »

xbox player here
tanking question - sorry for hijack

just dropped (another) infused maelstrom mace, was about to deconstruct it but i wondered if if could now be usefull in certain situations,
cant test it myself for another week - so anyone have any opinions on this, or should i just decon it?

You could use it. Go 5p+5p+1p and then maelstrom for the heavy attack extra stamina. I wouldn't use it but its not super bad with more things allowing for heavy attacking when tanking. I would go with either chokethorn or shadowrend for the 1p in that combination.