Crown Store Research Timer Scrolls = P2w?

STEVIL

No

Nestor wrote: »

Tholian1 wrote: »

400 cr each for a Blacksmithing, Clothier or Woodworking scroll that reduces research time in the category by 24 hours.

So, $8000 to knock research down to less than a few days?

This is Pay to Prove You Should not be trusted with a Credit Card, not Pay to Win.

Wow... gotta give you an awesome for that one, ambassador.

neverwalk

Yes

i won't need to use them as i have 1 toon with all 9 traits on armor and weapons, only need one and ESO plus is great for researching. ZOS should give boosts on armor and weapons if made by a 9 TRAITER who actually learn from base game and ESO plus only.

Queo

... Can we have a GM change the poll to: Does the OP understand what P2W means??? Yes or No...

Aevric

No

No.
I'm waiting for the day people whine that the wedding dress in the crown store is P2W.

Prof_Bawbag

Aevric wrote: »

No.
I'm waiting for the day people whine that the wedding dress in the crown store is P2W.

Sadly gone. ZoS realised it was too OP.

Iluvrien

Yes

ITT: OP asks competitive content players whether crafting has any value. Receives the resounding reply "No".

Joy_Division

No

Is this a serious poll?

jircris11

No

i worked hard for my research, i am sad to see an option to speed it up impleminted BUT i am also glad seeing how i enjoy having every character able to craft, so this will help my over all goal.

zaria

No

Mashille wrote: »

It's not really P2W as it is just a time saver same with Riding Lessons so if you think this is P2W you must also thing Riding Lessons and Bank Space are P2W.

However:

This one does annoy me significantly more than all the others as before it felt like a real Achievement to have 9 Traits on everything as it took around one and a half years to do it now that it is buyable I feel the title of "Master Crafter" becomes slightly less valuable as you can juts buy your way there (No matter how expensive it is)

I say that the riding lessons is far more P2W as it give an good benefit in cyrodil.

The current good crafted set is 6 traits and for 20k + mats you can get anything crafted, exception might be the IC sets as crafter has to enter IC. I leveled up crafting to 9 trait as I thought we might get some good 9 trait sets.

LiquidPony

No

I see it as another convenience thing, like riding lessons, XP scrolls, etc.

I don't think it's "P2W," but I can understand why some people might see it that way and I can see how it might be pretty annoying to people who make a living off of crafting (if that even exists in this brave new world where crafted gear is mediocre at best ... although perhaps that changes in this patch since BSW was nerfed and we aren't using "spammables" to keep procs up on BSW/Scathing anymore).

Lirkin

Yes

P2W for sure. You pay and you get an advantage over other players is P2W as I see it!

Kalante

No

No, is more like eve's online boosters pay to progress faster.

Kalante

No

c0rp wrote: »

P2W? No
Another way to *** on master crafters? Yes.

That too.

BigBragg

No

None of the crafted sets are BiS, except maybe Cleaver Alchemist.

The research timers are pay to advance faster, no different that experience scrolls.

burglar

No

Given that master writ drop rates are affected by the number of traits researched, it makes sense to give people an option to skip some time. I find it especially helpful on my alts! It's not that big of a boost, I don't think (at first glance). The scroll has a cool down of 20 hours, and they're reasonably difficult to get, so someone would have to spend quite a lot to skip a good number of days, and I'm not even sure they would be able to skip very many!

MyKillv2.0

No

Single bit of advice for OP

...Learn what P2W actually means, you obviously don't understand the meaning unless you think looking pretty (in your own opinion mind you) actually helps you do anything but show off your motifs.

Never once have I saw or heard, "man, I just can't finish vma without my sexy ancient orc motif"

Jollygoodusername

After reading the first page...all I can say is that crafting is [snip] and clearly being used by Zeni as a pay to win model. Time you see, is the most valuable commodity you will ever use. Seems as though the crafting bag creates infinite space and the scrolls allow for time advancing, much like the riding books.

Maybe not...I don't mind either way but honesty isn't going to hurt us here.

[Edit for Profanity]

Cpt_Teemo

Yes

MyKillv2.0 wrote: »

Single bit of advice for OP

...Learn what P2W actually means, you obviously don't understand the meaning unless you think looking pretty (in your own opinion mind you) actually helps you do anything but show off your motifs.

Never once have I saw or heard, "man, I just can't finish vma without my sexy ancient orc motif"

P2w can mean much of many things, from gear to just about anything.

Being a noob who cant get his/her own skills, so they pay real money that skilled players would rather not waste to get an unfair advantage that should not be there

Starwhite

No

Faster research is no p2w. Hell, why is every benefit p2w nowadays ?

ArchMikem

MaximusDargus wrote: »

I'm saddened to see that with each update, the role of crafter is being steadily diminished to the point where soon, everybody will be a crafter and need to find one (and all the MMO related social interactions related to that) will be permanently gone.

Having your Crafting at 50 and even your traits researched doesn't mean you can craft whatever you want. I still had to solicit a Crafter that knew Silken Ring Chests cause I'd never been in that Dungeon and I'm a bit broke to buy the Motif.

Jollygoodusername

Starwhite wrote: »

Faster research is no p2w. Hell, why is every benefit p2w nowadays ?

Benefit being the keyword. Subjective since my ego benefits from fancy costumes and mounts but they do not advance me above and beyond another player in anyway. Whereas xp potions/scrolls and other means of time advancement does. Consider it a race, where a competitor can pay for shortcuts to the finish line. Unless crafting makes no gold profits in game, from guild trades, then i can't see it being anything other than pay to win.

I believe many people immediately assume the term to apply only to PvP, I'd say it can be used more broadly than in the past. Given the arbitrarily contrived mechanics of crafting in ESO.

Sigma957

No

It's really funny, people have been asking why research is so **** long and when ZOS implements something like the scrolls people straight away cry p2w lol This is more pay to save time than anything.

Ep1kMalware

No

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Anyone else think its kind of P2w for the time most of everyone put into?

Nah. Convenience item. The best it can ever do is help you get ,aster writs fastwe. Which I guesa helps you earn gold faster. But the rng wall behind it really dissolves the argument.[/url]

stojekarcub18_ESO

No

think ur F2P, sit down, kid.

Galwylin

Yes

I have to say yes in a sense. Its comparable to me of buying a scroll and maxxing out your weapon skills. Especially considering how much time is spent on research, this is a huge time saver. I'm not sure that's a win though but it definitely allows anyone with cash to basically be a maxxed craftsman in a day. If research needed to be shorter then why not simply shorten it? Now its only those willing to fork over the money that gets this benefit and since its a benefit, then its a bit like pay to win. What's next? Exp scrolls that reward 500%? Scrolls that give 100cp? Nothing no one can't get in time and who's it harm?

nimander99

No

No, as crafting gear doesn't equal winning.

But I will say I am seriously displeased that this is now a feature... Nearly a year and a half it took me to learn all traits.

Now some noobsmash with a wallet is going to be able to buy all traits in a day and craft anything I can that took me the above mentioned time PLUS the grinding I had to do to earn motifs.

It is what it is though, I knew these were coming someday.

#Predictableaf

Prof_Bawbag

ProbablePaul wrote: »

Given that master writ drop rates are affected by the number of traits researched, it makes sense to give people an option to skip some time. I find it especially helpful on my alts! It's not that big of a boost, I don't think (at first glance). The scroll has a cool down of 20 hours, and they're reasonably difficult to get, so someone would have to spend quite a lot to skip a good number of days, and I'm not even sure they would be able to skip very many!

My near 9 trait, all motifs crafter disagrees with that assessment. For the most part there seems to be no rhyme or reason to when you get a writ. All my best writs have come from alts who have little or no traits researched and only have the basic motifs (blue and purple books), with one of them having got a 200+ writ and one around 307 voucher one. My main crafter hasn't had a writ over 6 vouchers for weeks now and the best writ I've had drop on that one was around 70 vouchers. My other toons have faired a lot better.

Catnight

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

ProbablePaul wrote: »

Given that master writ drop rates are affected by the number of traits researched, it makes sense to give people an option to skip some time. I find it especially helpful on my alts! It's not that big of a boost, I don't think (at first glance). The scroll has a cool down of 20 hours, and they're reasonably difficult to get, so someone would have to spend quite a lot to skip a good number of days, and I'm not even sure they would be able to skip very many!

My near 9 trait, all motifs crafter disagrees with that assessment. For the most part there seems to be no rhyme or reason to when you get a writ. All my best writs have come from alts who have little or no traits researched and only have the basic motifs (blue and purple books), with one of them having got a 200+ writ and one around 307 voucher one. My main crafter hasn't had a writ over 6 vouchers for weeks now and the best writ I've had drop on that one was around 70 vouchers. My other toons have faired a lot better.

You guys noticed that you can buy these scrolls for Writ Vouchers, right?

ManwithBeard9

No

Catnight wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

ProbablePaul wrote: »

Given that master writ drop rates are affected by the number of traits researched, it makes sense to give people an option to skip some time. I find it especially helpful on my alts! It's not that big of a boost, I don't think (at first glance). The scroll has a cool down of 20 hours, and they're reasonably difficult to get, so someone would have to spend quite a lot to skip a good number of days, and I'm not even sure they would be able to skip very many!

My near 9 trait, all motifs crafter disagrees with that assessment. For the most part there seems to be no rhyme or reason to when you get a writ. All my best writs have come from alts who have little or no traits researched and only have the basic motifs (blue and purple books), with one of them having got a 200+ writ and one around 307 voucher one. My main crafter hasn't had a writ over 6 vouchers for weeks now and the best writ I've had drop on that one was around 70 vouchers. My other toons have faired a lot better.

You guys noticed that you can buy these scrolls for Writ Vouchers, right?

Those ones have a 24 hour cool down correct?

Calsifer

No

Nah, just L2P(ay)