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[ZOS] Rework or remove cancel casting
SilverWF
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There is well known "mechanic" called as "cancel casting".
You can do it by: block (RMB) or swapping panels. And in the most cases skill work properly even if it takes 0,1 sec to your character to actually "cast" that skill.
Sure, if skill has cast time "instant". But skills are not instant - they all have some animation time, that cannot be interrupted by anything else (i.e. another skill cast), but only block or swap panels.
This gives unfair advantage to macro users. Sure, it can be done by hands, but much better to set a macro.
I'm not planning to discuss macro here, I have Logitech G15 keyboard and A4-Tech mouse. It is not a problem at all.
So, what I suggest (one of it):
1. Remove possibility to block or swap panels until your character has stopped animation. Probably, it would affect casting while blocking too.
2. Allow cancel cast animation by light or heavy attacks or another skill cast, at the same time, adding to all skills short noninterruptable timeout, that would affect blocking and swapping too.
3. All is fine, do not touch it at all
Edited by SilverWF on May 17, 2017 9:23PM You can do it by: block (RMB) or swapping panels. And in the most cases skill work properly even if it takes 0,1 sec to your character to actually "cast" that skill.
Sure, if skill has cast time "instant". But skills are not instant - they all have some animation time, that cannot be interrupted by anything else (i.e. another skill cast), but only block or swap panels.
This gives unfair advantage to macro users. Sure, it can be done by hands, but much better to set a macro.
I'm not planning to discuss macro here, I have Logitech G15 keyboard and A4-Tech mouse. It is not a problem at all.
So, what I suggest (one of it):
1. Remove possibility to block or swap panels until your character has stopped animation. Probably, it would affect casting while blocking too.
2. Allow cancel cast animation by light or heavy attacks or another skill cast, at the same time, adding to all skills short noninterruptable timeout, that would affect blocking and swapping too.
3. All is fine, do not touch it at all
- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
- YouTube: All ESO disguises (2014)
- EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
- Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
[ZOS] Rework or remove cancel casting 526 votes
Remove possibility to block or swap panels until your character has stopped animation
27%
146 votes
Allow cancel cast animation by light or heavy attacks or another skill cast
5%
30 votes
All is fine, do not touch it at all
66%
350 votes
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Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭All is fine, do not touch it at allIt's fine the way it is. No matter how fast you animation cancel it will not speed up the GCD on skills.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA27 -
Vipstaakki✭✭✭✭✭
✭Remove possibility to block or swap panels until your character has stopped animationanimation cancelling is a bug. Stop abusing it.36 -
Sn1per0✭✭✭Vipstaakki wrote: »animation cancelling is a bug. Stop abusing it.
You call it a bug, yet ZoS calls it a mechanic.
Wonder who is right here.48 -
Shad0wfire99✭✭✭✭✭
✭All is fine, do not touch it at allVipstaakki wrote: »animation cancelling is a bug. Stop abusing it.
No it isn't, and no I won't.
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SirSocke✭✭✭And again a thread about animation canceling?
It's fine, it's great and it's an official game mechanic... Stop discussing and learn to use it.Bosmer stamina nightblade!17 -
Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Vipstaakki wrote: »animation cancelling is a bug. Stop abusing it.
You call it a bug, yet ZoS calls it a mechanic.
Wonder who is right here.
The called it an "unintentional aspect" they tried to fix it and gave up.
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Sn1per0✭✭✭Vipstaakki wrote: »animation cancelling is a bug. Stop abusing it.
You call it a bug, yet ZoS calls it a mechanic.
Wonder who is right here.
The called it an "unintentional aspect" they tried to fix it and gave up.
You mean unintended mechanic. Does not change the fact that they NOW say it is a mechanic.11 -
Sn1per0✭✭✭Mastery404 wrote: »
Don't have the exact post but it has been said by ZoS on more than 1 occasion.
Why do you think they don't respond to these anymore other than to say we have removed some comments...
This has been in the game since release. If they haven't made any attempts to change it why would you think they all of sudden would?
Oh and with Morrowind, animation canceling will drain your resource pool much faster so it will be a give and take kind of thing.0 -
RT_Frank✭✭✭Remove possibility to block or swap panels until your character has stopped animationEven though I'm on console, so macros aren't really a problem here, I can definitely see this being annoying if I were on PC and not using macros. I refuse to join the "if it's not a problem on my system, then it's not a problem" boat. I feel for you PC players.
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PlagueSD✭✭✭✭✭
✭All is fine, do not touch it at allLeave it as is. With the changes to sustain, this problem will fix itself. You'll be out of either stamina or magica VERY fast if all you do is animation cancel.4 -
DjMuscleboy02✭✭✭✭✭All is fine, do not touch it at allwhat the *** is a panelBrodor - PC NA - ESO's only pure bodybuilding guild
Hodor, but stronger6 -
Eirella✭✭✭✭✭All is fine, do not touch it at allWhy do people STILL talk about this. There is nothing wrong with animation cancelling. Get over it, L2P, thank you.14
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✭✭✭✭✭All is fine, do not touch it at allMastery404 wrote: »
A 2015 ESO live, where Wrobel acknowledged they "are embracing it. It's a part of the game, and we want people to be doing it". His words. (Edit to embed link)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThZtwhYkKSs Edited by Reverb on May 18, 2017 12:02AMBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche18 -
Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Remove possibility to block or swap panels until your character has stopped animationAnimation cancelling is a problem that ZOS has no idea how to fix. One thing they could do though is cut weapon and spell damage by 50% while holding block. This would at least remove the incentive to ani cancel using block while also bringing block-casting into balance, which is also a problem currently.8 -
SilverWF✭✭✭✭✭
✭Allow cancel cast animation by light or heavy attacks or another skill castA 2015 ESO live, where Wrobel acknowledged they "are embracing it. It's a part of the game, and we want people to be doing it"
Nah, it sounds as a bad excuse of impossibility to fix it.
"we want people to be doing it" - doing what? Macro using?
Also, it is going against any logic: if something can be interrupted by block (basically: pressing a button), why it can not be interrupted by another button press?
And again, there can be some urgent situation where you need to stop casting and block - it's OK. But skill must not be used here too.
And, if ZOS are happy with it - why skill animations are exists here at all?Edited by SilverWF on May 18, 2017 12:10AM- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
- YouTube: All ESO disguises (2014)
- EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
- Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
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FearlessOne_2014✭✭✭✭✭
✭A 2015 ESO live, where Wrobel acknowledged they "are embracing it. It's a part of the game, and we want people to be doing it"
Nah, it sounds as a bad excuse of impossibility to fix it.
"we want people to be doing it" - doing what? Macro using?
Also, it is going against any logic: if something can be interrupted by block (basically: pressing a button), why it can not be interrupted by another button press?
And again, there can be some urgent situation where you need to stop casting and block - it's OK. But skill must not be used here too.
And, if ZOS are happy with it - why skill animations are exists here at all?
It is, however ZOS gave all ani-cancel users to include macro users their blessings. So you either abuse the hell out of it because ZOS says it's ok. Or you just keep getting wrecked by.
If you let you morals get in the way. Then you are just going to have a miserable experience with this game. My recommendation is for ZOS to just openly allow macros. Since it's obvious that's what most PvPers are doing. Why not just make it fair and legal for all?
Edited by FearlessOne_2014 on May 18, 2017 12:17AM2 -
SilverWF✭✭✭✭✭
✭Allow cancel cast animation by light or heavy attacks or another skill castFearlessOne_2014 wrote: »because ZOS says it's ok.
And, if ZOS are happy with it - why skill animations are exists here at all?- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
- YouTube: All ESO disguises (2014)
- EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
- Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
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GreenSoup2HoT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Remove possibility to block or swap panels until your character has stopped animationAnimation canceling looks trashy though not gonna lie.PS4 NA DC7 -
Hrolfkel✭✭Remove possibility to block or swap panels until your character has stopped animationAnimation canceling is in fixable for ZOS. That being said means the great gurus of this game creation aren't that great. It is what it is. As many bugs and nerfs it has running a muck and all the exploiters not getting band and ruining the game. As crappy as it is it's still the best MMORPG out and that's why we play it.3 -
Skitttles✭✭✭✭All is fine, do not touch it at allYou guys have slowed down combat enough, let's just stahp.Skittles | DC Stem Sok and sumtimes Nertbled10 -
itsfatbass✭✭✭✭✭Lololol~PC/NA~ Magblade, Tankanist, Healplar, Stamcro, Oakensorc, Healden, Tanknight ~PLUR~0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭All is fine, do not touch it at allIt takes less time to learn animation cancelling then creating thread and posting how bad AC is.5 -
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✭✭✭G *** G#VMATOKENSYSTEM #WEAPONDYE #TRAITCHANGE #CROWNCRATELOVER- Alliance/Platform: Aldemerii - PS4/NA - CP 800+
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