Mag Dk DD's POST-Morrowind Patch??

Nelson_Rebel

Is there any hope for Mag Dk DD's who DON'T want to be damn Sorcerers in morrowind for PvE?


Cost reductions and literally our only resource return in Battle roar was nerfed. How are Mag Dk's (who already right now have sustain issues on live) going to fare in Morrowind post-patch? Is there any silver lining at all???


*Edit*

Burning Spell weave nerfed too. So now our damage and sustain is shite great job zenimax


tldr- You just lost a 3 year subscriber who has purchased and WAS planning purchasing to support you. F2p casual for the win.

#edit #2*

May reinstate membership if further updates adjust the sorc to other dps levels or if other classes get buffed on their sets from base game I.E.- Sun set for example

This is not meant to be a whine thread, or quitting post. Simply very aggravated with the current direction of the game

Sigtric

Yes there will be some hope, here's why..

I've always tended to go against the 'meta' and go my own way and it seems this time it's paid off a bit.

By and large, my rotation/gear/playstyle on mDK dps isn't changing much, it feels very familiar. I just have to pay attention to resources now, which is no big deal.

I can still run my double dps sets and just utilize heavy a bit more, or throw on a recovery set. Either way I was still nuking the crap out of things in my testing. DPS loss was noticeable but not bad.

I wont know for sure the true scope of the matter on the PVP side of things until after launch, but I'll figure something out.

mDK could definitely use some help (most needed class out of all that could use some cost reduction and sustain helpers) but I'm not really worried about it.

Mcgelie1

And now bsw got a nerf.

kumatab14_ESO

No just roll a sorcerer likw 99.9% of everything now.

Sorc or bust at this point. I main magblade and just starting working on my magDK because NBs are in such a bad spot. And then BSW gets nerfed which is bad for DK. I have a feeling that if I keep working on him there will be more nerfs.

If we all start working on a Sorc maybe they'll get nerfed too.

Vaoh

No just roll a sorcerer likw 99.9% of everything now.

You think Mag DKs have it bad?

Atm, Mag DK and Mag Templar are both viable. DKs give a group buff while Templars are nice in executing enemies.

Mag NB is struggling and based on the patheticly minor buff they recieved this week (13% Twisting Path damage) they are not going to improve.

Mag Warden is the utter joke of a PvE DPS. They make Nighblades look OP

If Mag Sorcs are brought down (ZOS will never bring classes up, only nerf) then it'll only be Mag NB and Mag Warden that need help and your Mag DK won't be worthless. The one saving grace for Mag DK is every raid will need one Mag DK for Engulfing Flames

Nelson_Rebel

No just roll a sorcerer likw 99.9% of everything now.

Vaoh wrote: »

You think Mag DKs have it bad?

Atm, Mag DK and Mag Templar are both viable. DKs give a group buff while Templars are nice in executing enemies.

Mag NB is struggling and based on the patheticly minor buff they recieved this week (13% Twisting Path damage) they are not going to improve.

Mag Warden is the utter joke of a PvE DPS. They make Nighblades look OP

If Mag Sorcs are brought down (ZOS will never bring classes up, only nerf) then it'll only be Mag NB and Mag Warden that need help and your Mag DK won't be worthless. The one saving grace for Mag DK is every raid will need one Mag DK for Engulfing Flames

Yeah nightblades and templars got shafted too.


But I was already struggling with resources now, With light armor nerf, cp removals, and nerfs, BSW nerf, Battle Roar nerf, sustain help nerfs from other players, etc... It just is overkill

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Yes there will be some hope, here's why..

All good things come to an end...

Sorc will get nerfed, it's inevitable.

SydneyGrey

Yes there will be some hope, here's why..

I say there's *some* hope, but my hopes aren't that high.
They're taking away my main source of magicka sustain, which was the CP line "Magician." It reduces the magicka costs of spells. With it, I had no sustain problems.
Without it, I'm going to be hurting. The way I have my character built, it'll swing the opposite way for me, and instead of zero problems, overnight I'll have HUGE sustain problems. A small nerf to sustain would have been good. Instead, they decided to give us the Nerfapocalyse.

I say there's hope because they're always changing things. ZOS is like a teenager who's learning how to cook. She makes a giant mess in the kitchen, throws random ingredients in her meal, then hopes for the best. When the first meal gives everyone diarrhea, she then tries it again with different ingredients.

DHale

Magic DK is fine it's dumner that has got to go. Roll an Altmer.

Kay1

I don't know but, Here's my opinion

I don't know about PvE but in PvP they will be very strong.

Nelson_Rebel

No just roll a sorcerer likw 99.9% of everything now.

Seems it's sorcerers galore all over again. Fml


Cancelled my subscription. I'll play morrowinds content since I bought it, but I refuse to pay anymore for a game that's basically telling me I HAVE to play sorcerer if I want to participate in end game content.

Sad AF this is what the game has turned into, I've been ESO subbed since launch, This is my first time canceling subscription. So much potential wasted and pissed on

DjMuscleboy02

Yes there will be some hope, here's why..

DHale wrote: »

Magic DK is fine it's dumner that has got to go. Roll an Altmer.

Roll an Altmer for a class that uses strictly fire damage?

Kas

Yes there will be some hope, here's why..

you'll need one dk to buff sorc's flame damage. let's pretend for a second that all fights are perfectly pet-ready and thus sorcs are as OP as they said to be. if you have ~6-7 sorcs dealing 30+% fire damage, an extra mag DK can do MUCH lower dps and still be incredibly useful due to the unique buff - and it's not like a DK deals zero or only half a sorc's damage.

However, that is only true unless stam will be back (i think it's a realistic posibility, tbh) and meele spots will be sparse. I don't think you need an extra mag dk to take aways meele spots from stam versions for buffing the flame damage of 1-2 sorcs. not really worth it.

But as long as magicka and blockades of fire are the meta, at least one mag dk is very useful.

Dubhliam

Yes there will be some hope, here's why..

https://youtu.be/ERcZznUKCdw

Basically... mag DK does 32k DPS with selfsustain.

Hamburglarjones

Dubhliam wrote: »

https://youtu.be/ERcZznUKCdw

Basically... mag DK does 32k DPS with selfsustain.

...He's ran out of resources at a 3m dummy, without orbs being shared group wide now - that's not a fair test at all. That's a burst test. For a 6m dummy he would have to heavy attack A LOT more.

Zvorgin

No just roll a sorcerer likw 99.9% of everything now.

I already leveled my magsorc for PvE a couple of weeks ago. After playing the class for the first time having spent the previous year on magDK, the magsorc does everything better. I was late to the party but I've seen the light.

f047ys3v3n

Yes there will be some hope, here's why..

I would keep the DK. I would not keep a NB (which was about sustain and utility and already low dps), Templar (which has costly skills and needs it's spamable), or anything stam (In the pooper even before this) but I would keep an mDK. The reason is that fundamentally DK fits well in the new meta.

In this new meta you only fully heavy and DOT. Forget about spamables and forget about resource sustain. Neither are an issue as you cannot sustain with a spam-able so you simply do full heavy's instead and are never shy resources. DK is good for this as it has a 43% increased damage buff on heavy attacks and a plenty of DOT's. Sure, it probably still won't quite keep up with Sorc for a little while but this is because ZOS crazy broke the already strong Sorc when they gave it another DOT with the Volatile. It won't be that far behind though and ZOS seems to think it is weak right now as they relatively buff it every patch. It is better to be that class already doing good dps that ZOS ignorantly thinks is bad than the one that is doing slightly more they they have gotten a clue about. Just ask a Templar, it takes ZOS a while to get started but once they do they will not stop until it us totally unplayable.

Resipsa131

Yes there will be some hope, here's why..

Magicka DKs will be the second strongest DPS in trials. The New meta will be laying down dots and heavy attacking which is what Magicka DKs excel at, I'm current leveling a Magicka DK for Morrowind to be my trials DPS. Out of all the classes to complain about Magicka DK isn't one of them.

Nelson_Rebel

No just roll a sorcerer likw 99.9% of everything now.

Resipsa131 wrote: »

Magicka DKs will be the second strongest DPS in trials. The New meta will be laying down dots and heavy attacking which is what Magicka DKs excel at, I'm current leveling a Magicka DK for Morrowind to be my trials DPS. Out of all the classes to complain about Magicka DK isn't one of them.

If this is true then I may revise my position


But from what I've seen on PTS and dps reports I see only Sorcerers as DPS and only allowing a Mag DK to buff a single raid of 1 class for the other 7 spots is NOT something to just ignore and call it "OK" and "BALANCE"

IcyDeadPeople

No clue about PVE builds, but if people are now using heavy lightning attacks, that 40% boost from molten armaments should help

Oompuh

Yes there will be some hope, here's why..

Someone has to boost the Sorcs wall of elements

Nelson_Rebel

No just roll a sorcerer likw 99.9% of everything now.

Oompuh wrote: »

Someone has to boost the Sorcs wall of elements

ha ha

Yea seems all that's useful anymore

acw37162

#feelsbadman

When your Magic DK thread becomes a nerf sorc thread.

I actually feel bad for anyone who rolls a Necro pet sorc at this point the cries for Sorc crocodile tears are so strong on these forums the nerf hammer of dreams will likely knock the daderic scamp back into oblivion for another three years or so.

And hundreds of players will flock to the forums to rejoice people are so ***.

Nelson_Rebel

No just roll a sorcerer likw 99.9% of everything now.

acw37162 wrote: »

#feelsbadman

When your Magic DK thread becomes a nerf sorc thread.

I actually feel bad for anyone who rolls a Necro pet sorc at this point the cries for Sorc crocodile tears are so strong on these forums the nerf hammer of dreams will likely knock the daderic scamp back into oblivion for another three years or so.

And hundreds of players will flock to the forums to rejoice people are so ***.

Must be so easy when Sorcs sit at the top of everything amirite?

acw37162

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

#feelsbadman

When your Magic DK thread becomes a nerf sorc thread.

I actually feel bad for anyone who rolls a Necro pet sorc at this point the cries for Sorc crocodile tears are so strong on these forums the nerf hammer of dreams will likely knock the daderic scamp back into oblivion for another three years or so.

And hundreds of players will flock to the forums to rejoice people are so ***.

Must be so easy when Sorcs sit at the top of everything amirite?

Couldn't tell you the one Sorc I play with runs Julianos/Lich non pet build and it's very surviveable but I could throw the same set up on any magica build and replace Ward with harness and be in pretty much the same spot.

The pet sorc will get nerfed if is over preforming as people say.

Doesn't change the fact that people are a salty kurmundegonie bag of ass hammers around these parts easily 50 % of the time plus.

FloppyTouch

No just roll a sorcerer likw 99.9% of everything now.

Dubhliam wrote: »

https://youtu.be/ERcZznUKCdw

Basically... mag DK does 32k DPS with selfsustain.

This actually makes me fear more about the nerf to sustain he was struggling to keep magic up if that was a 6m target the dps would be way lower with way less whips and more heavy attacks. This is not a good video to show mdk is fine tbh

GDOFWR420

acw37162 wrote: »

#feelsbadman

When your Magic DK thread becomes a nerf sorc thread.

I actually feel bad for anyone who rolls a Necro pet sorc at this point the cries for Sorc crocodile tears are so strong on these forums the nerf hammer of dreams will likely knock the daderic scamp back into oblivion for another three years or so.

And hundreds of players will flock to the forums to rejoice people are so ***.

That's funny $h!t

Edziu

I don't know but, Here's my opinion

Dracindo wrote: »

SanSan wrote: »

Their role is like the jester's role.
They entertain the king which is the Sorc.

Here's a better comparisson:

Sorc => PC Master race
DK => Xbox peasant
Templar => Playstation peasant
NB => Nintendo caveman