what is the point making NB as a dps class in PVE

pantshunter · May 2017

Templar, untouchable
DK, untouchable
Sorc , hahahahahahahahaha
warden, P2W

so, as you can see, NB is a DPS class, but the healing class and tank class ability can do more damage( more useful as dps ) then a DPS class? where is the logic??

maybe i was wrong to see DK and templar as a tank and healer class, but if you play eso, you know the best tank will be DK, the best healer will be templar ( atm ) and sorc is best AOE damage.
NB? nothing is good for it, you would think they will have the best single target damage as a dps, but not, best single target is DK. so what is left for NB for PVE? you do around 15-20K less damage to a sorc, not as useful as MDK in vet trail ( expressly VMOL)

oh, the one thing that nb is good for and its second best for is VMA! the solo content it beat Templar and DK ^_^ so happy, that just show, if you want to play NB, its only good for solo content, if you want to play group contend, you better get a sorc, because it never get Nerf.

So, its NB dead for group PVE ? to me, yes. but the bright side, its good for doing quest, ''I am sure that is what people do when they lvl it to 50, all skill 50, mage guild 10, fighter guild 10 undaunted 9 just to do the quest'',

Cêltic421 · May 2017

Different playstyle, different skills.

pantshunter · May 2017

Cêltic421 wrote: »

Different playstyle, different skills.

Dont get me wrong, I do like to play NB, but the skill from a healer class have more dps then a full dps class, that dont make sense.

Oompuh · May 2017

Sorc 40k
Temp 32k
DK 32K
NB 28K
Warden 25k

What's the point of any classes that doesn't start with S?

pcar944 · May 2017

Sorcs can also tank just as good as DK's and Templars

Nightblades? LOL ...

pantshunter · May 2017

Cêltic421 wrote: »

Different playstyle, different skills.

For example:

if you put the same gear on magplar and MNB. the dps and heal will be the same? no.
Templar will out dps MNB in dps gear, and will out heal MNB in healer gear.

same to DK, put same gear to NB and DK to tank and DPS, NB will lose on it too

Vaoh · May 2017

The moment you seriously say Warden is P2W, it becomes difficult to not consider your thread a troll post. Warden is not P2W. Far from it.

Magicka NB is in an interesting position. It can easily be made as strong as Magicka DK and Magicka Templar with a few simple buffs. For example, a good one would be to allow the proc on Grim Focus to refresh the duration as well, so it doesn't need to be casted twice in a row in order to use it.

Magicka Sorc needs to have its pet toned down, with further changes looked into afterward to balance it.

However, I am not really concerned about Magicka NBs anymore. Magicka Warden looks really cool imo and I want to main it and quit playing Sorcerer when Morrowind releases. Turns out Magicka Warden is the worst DPS class by a lot though (something I predicted along with many others, so no surprise).

pcar944 · May 2017

Vaoh wrote: »

The moment you seriously say Warden is P2W, it becomes difficult to not consider your thread a troll post. Warden is not P2W. Far from it.

Magicka NB is in an interesting position. It can easily be made as strong as Magicka DK and Magicka Templar with a few simple buffs. For example, a good one would be to allow the proc on Grim Focus to refresh the duration as well, so it doesn't need to be casted twice in a row in order to use it.

Magicka Sorc needs to have its pet toned down, with further changes looked into afterward to balance it.

However, I am notes concerned about Magicka NBs anymore. Magicka Warden looks really cool imo and I want to main it and quit playing Sorcerer when Morrowind releases. Turns out Magicka Warden is the worst DPS class by a lot though (something I predicted along with many others, so no surprise).

problem is, Nightblades have seen nothing but nerfs in last 4-6 patches (because I loose track), so saying "oh if they just did this it would be fine" doesn't work because Zenimax consistently buffs all 3 other classes and "reinvents" their skills while Nightblades cant get a simple toggle for Grim Focus

pantshunter · May 2017

Vaoh wrote: »

The moment you seriously say Warden is P2W, it becomes difficult to not consider your thread a troll post. Warden is not P2W. Far from it.

Magicka NB is in an interesting position. It can easily be made as strong as Magicka DK and Magicka Templar with a few simple buffs. For example, a good one would be to allow the proc on Grim Focus to refresh the duration as well, so it doesn't need to be casted twice in a row in order to use it.

Magicka Sorc needs to have its pet toned down, with further changes looked into afterward to balance it.

However, I am not really concerned about Magicka NBs anymore. Magicka Warden looks really cool imo and I want to main it and quit playing Sorcerer when Morrowind releases. Turns out Magicka Warden is the worst DPS class by a lot though (something I predicted along with many others, so no surprise).

ZOS know the big problem for nb is Grim Focus. they know that long time ago, but do nothing about it, that is why NB is in this place. and now the incoming nerf ( dont think it will be that big ) it just put it back to bottom again.

Galwylin · May 2017

How does stamina warden do? That's the route I was planning (even though stamina is the crap list). I don't get what nightblades are supposed to be the best at either. Its like they have no idea what it is or how it works so they listen to all the non-nightblade players on how to "buff" it and we see where that's gotten them.

SanSan · May 2017

Their role is like the jester's role.
They entertain the king which is the Sorc.

Turelus · May 2017

I enjoy the way they play more, healing myself whisht doing damage.

I might not be top choice for world #1 time runs but it's not like they can't actually complete content.

abigfishy · May 2017

Just like to get people's opinions on this order.

DPS
1 Sorc
=2 Temp and DK
Last NB

Tank
1 DK
2 Temp
3 Sorc
4 NB

Heals
1 Temp
2 Sorc
3 NB!!!!!!
4DK

Could this be true? Could there actually be a role at which the NB is actually only the second worst? Please share your opinion.

Synfaer · May 2017

Make 1 of each class

Then all you have to do is rotate to a different character after a balancing cycle.

Synfaer · May 2017

Not so long ago, everyone was putting the dust covers on their magika sorc and firing up their stamblades...then the wheel turns and whats old is new again.

Betsararie · May 2017

There is none. They're terrible

Unless you want to be ineffective.

Arundo · May 2017

They should just add ambush to another skill line like thieves guild or dark brotherhood and remove the class. Or just remove all classes and make all skills available for all so that the endless discussion about balance will be done. Side effect will be that everyone will run with the cookie cutter spec of the month.

greylox · May 2017

Magblade is fun to play unless you want min max levels of damage. It sorta feels like a weaker version of my magDK though.

pcar944 · May 2017

are you kidding? DK would make a better healer then a NB any day

they give shields, and NB has what? refreshing path ...

Daemons_Bane · May 2017

@pantshunter Well.. First of all you can stick P2W in your personal Azura's Star

That being said, you make a NB if you like to play rogue

ifDoubtNerfIt · May 2017

pantshunter wrote: »

Templar, untouchable
DK, untouchable
Sorc , hahahahahahahahaha
warden, P2W

As a mainSorc this made me laugh. Anyways, as you already know stamina classes are RIP in this and the next patch, so magicka is the BiS class for the next like 6 months. So you have to settle with that. The next thing is that nb's get a big role to play in the next patch as they have a insanely low ulti cost (Incap) and combined with the new trial sets coming, many end-game trial runs will require a nb or 2 for sure, well that's the way I'll be going, maybe even get my nb out of the retirement

. Next, Twisting Path get's a insane buff, so you see a increase of 2k+ dps on magBlades or even more. So yeah, nb's are not that weak as you may think

But on the other hand, stamina gankBlades are RIP in the next patch as sneak dmg multiplier is removed. But still, for pve they are strong. So you can see something like Scathing Mage with Master Architect as the new meta.

Gezbert · May 2017

Vaoh wrote: »

Magicka NB is in an interesting position. It can easily be made as strong as Magicka DK and Magicka Templar with a few simple buffs. For example, a good one would be to allow the proc on Grim Focus to refresh the duration as well, so it doesn't need to be casted twice in a row in order to use it.

Magicka Sorc needs to have its pet toned down, with further changes looked into afterward to balance it.

I really like that idea actually, especially if the ''free recast version'' had it's own animation (considering it would e.g. have a 50% chance to refresh the effect)

Dracindo · May 2017

SanSan wrote: »

Their role is like the jester's role.
They entertain the king which is the Sorc.

Here's a better comparisson:

Sorc => PC Master race
DK => Xbox peasant
Templar => Playstation peasant
NB => Nintendo caveman

DjMuscleboy02 · May 2017

Huh, nightblades have great sustain and that will bring them back in a patch focused on resource management. ***

Lord_Eomer · May 2017

RIP Nightblades!

STEVIL · May 2017

pantshunter wrote: »

Templar, untouchable
DK, untouchable
Sorc , hahahahahahahahaha
warden, P2W

so, as you can see, NB is a DPS class, but the healing class and tank class ability can do more damage( more useful as dps ) then a DPS class? where is the logic??

maybe i was wrong to see DK and templar as a tank and healer class, but if you play eso, you know the best tank will be DK, the best healer will be templar ( atm ) and sorc is best AOE damage.
NB? nothing is good for it, you would think they will have the best single target damage as a dps, but not, best single target is DK. so what is left for NB for PVE? you do around 15-20K less damage to a sorc, not as useful as MDK in vet trail ( expressly VMOL)

oh, the one thing that nb is good for and its second best for is VMA! the solo content it beat Templar and DK ^_^ so happy, that just show, if you want to play NB, its only good for solo content, if you want to play group contend, you better get a sorc, because it never get Nerf.

So, its NB dead for group PVE ? to me, yes. but the bright side, its good for doing quest, ''I am sure that is what people do when they lvl it to 50, all skill 50, mage guild 10, fighter guild 10 undaunted 9 just to do the quest'',

See the idea that NB is supposed to be a top-end sustain group DPS contender is not a vision i ever shared.

When i loom at the Nb i see stealth and utility and a degree of burst/gank potential. Those clearly give it some unique functions in questing and in PVP.

Maybe they are not toe-to-toe slugfest long-lasting burners or ranged artillery pieces for sustained PVE but so what?

They can serve as g/T PVE DPS in most content, but they wont be the top-end first choices for them in the more competitive score chasing levels. So what?

They offer with their stealth a lot of advantage in say the Tg heists and Db sacraments as well as great situational options in PVP.

g/t pve top-end dps score chasing is a small closet in the eso mansion, not the whole of the estate.

OldGamerESO · May 2017

You guys are way to focused on hardmode trials.

I wish every whine post about class death, etc had a title with the words "in hardmode trials" after it so we can realize that for the vast majority of players each class is played for the fun of it, not the maximum dps of it.

Nightblades are super fun to play! That why people play them. Its defining traits are cloaking and lifestealing and that is why people love them. It also has a great gap closer and lots of fun stealth support. You can build all sorts of fun builds that let you do all the content in the game that most people do. It is great fun to take cloak and blade of woe and go to Imperial City and farm Tel Var stones on the humanoids there. Or tank vet dungeons with a great life sucking tank. Or build the *fastest* moving character in the game for harvesting with nb+vamp + stealth + orc + concealed weapon + jailbreaker + rapid maneuver (its like being being the Flash!). You can easily hit 20k dps with stam nb or magicka nb and you don't need more than that except for HM trials.

Nightblades are my most fun characters, even if I hybrid them up and get rid of all sustain CP. Sneaky, poisoning backstabbers who are great in a knife fight and who can cloak away at will... SO MUCH FUN!

Voxicity · May 2017

OldGamerESO wrote: »

You can easily hit 20k dps with stam nb or magicka nb and you don't need more than that except for HM trials.

Survivability, of which stamblade has NONE

Please don't talk about stamblades in trials if you literally have no idea what you are talking about

DocFrost72 · May 2017

OldGamerESO wrote: »

You guys are way to focused on hardmode trials.

I wish every whine post about class death, etc had a title with the words "in hardmode trials" after it so we can realize that for the vast majority of players each class is played for the fun of it, not the maximum dps of it.

Nightblades are super fun to play! That why people play them. Its defining traits are cloaking and lifestealing and that is why people love them. It also has a great gap closer and lots of fun stealth support. You can build all sorts of fun builds that let you do all the content in the game that most people do. It is great fun to take cloak and blade of woe and go to Imperial City and farm Tel Var stones on the humanoids there. Or tank vet dungeons with a great life sucking tank. Or build the *fastest* moving character in the game for harvesting with nb+vamp + stealth + orc + concealed weapon + jailbreaker + rapid maneuver (its like being being the Flash!). You can easily hit 20k dps with stam nb or magicka nb and you don't need more than that except for HM trials.

Nightblades are my most fun characters, even if I hybrid them up and get rid of all sustain CP. Sneaky, poisoning backstabbers who are great in a knife fight and who can cloak away at will... SO MUCH FUN!

Preach.

...

...

But we really still need to buff them for trials, and all stam classes, cause it is kind of annoying.

Syrani · May 2017

OldGamerESO wrote: »

You guys are way to focused on hardmode trials.

I wish every whine post about class death, etc had a title with the words "in hardmode trials" after it so we can realize that for the vast majority of players each class is played for the fun of it, not the maximum dps of it.

Nightblades are super fun to play! That why people play them. Its defining traits are cloaking and lifestealing and that is why people love them. It also has a great gap closer and lots of fun stealth support. You can build all sorts of fun builds that let you do all the content in the game that most people do. It is great fun to take cloak and blade of woe and go to Imperial City and farm Tel Var stones on the humanoids there. Or tank vet dungeons with a great life sucking tank. Or build the *fastest* moving character in the game for harvesting with nb+vamp + stealth + orc + concealed weapon + jailbreaker + rapid maneuver (its like being being the Flash!). You can easily hit 20k dps with stam nb or magicka nb and you don't need more than that except for HM trials.

Nightblades are my most fun characters, even if I hybrid them up and get rid of all sustain CP. Sneaky, poisoning backstabbers who are great in a knife fight and who can cloak away at will... SO MUCH FUN!

People talk about viability in trials because that's where it matters. You can play a Nord character with no gear, all points into magicka, swinging around your 2Hander with nothing but heavy attacks and still complete quests. A class's ability to complete quests means NOTHING.

DocFrost72 · May 2017

Syrani wrote: »

OldGamerESO wrote: »

You guys are way to focused on hardmode trials.

I wish every whine post about class death, etc had a title with the words "in hardmode trials" after it so we can realize that for the vast majority of players each class is played for the fun of it, not the maximum dps of it.

Nightblades are super fun to play! That why people play them. Its defining traits are cloaking and lifestealing and that is why people love them. It also has a great gap closer and lots of fun stealth support. You can build all sorts of fun builds that let you do all the content in the game that most people do. It is great fun to take cloak and blade of woe and go to Imperial City and farm Tel Var stones on the humanoids there. Or tank vet dungeons with a great life sucking tank. Or build the *fastest* moving character in the game for harvesting with nb+vamp + stealth + orc + concealed weapon + jailbreaker + rapid maneuver (its like being being the Flash!). You can easily hit 20k dps with stam nb or magicka nb and you don't need more than that except for HM trials.

Nightblades are my most fun characters, even if I hybrid them up and get rid of all sustain CP. Sneaky, poisoning backstabbers who are great in a knife fight and who can cloak away at will... SO MUCH FUN!

People talk about viability in trials because that's where it matters. You can play a Nord character with no gear, all points into magicka, swinging around your 2Hander with nothing but heavy attacks and still complete quests. A class's ability to complete quests means NOTHING.

To you.

Hardmode trials mean nothing to me, but I don't disregard them out of hand because of it.